[00:51] bluesabre: Speaking of which, how much, or what info do you want me to pass along when I get it? [00:52] "it?" [00:53] it=info [00:55] suppose I'll take any info available [05:12] knome: So when should we finish those translation things? [06:15] How do you tell who has commit access to an Xfce repo? [07:00] morning knome, are you around? [07:15] Unit193: check the commit log basically. and filter out any commits containing the word "translation" - which is about 97% of them [07:42] Unit193, "some day" [07:42] Unit193, i'll have suitable computer time probably next week [07:42] cub, what's up? [07:53] Hi knome, I was updating a test installation of the Ubuntu Studio site and have some weird caching issues when doing changes in the theme. Thought you might now something about that? [07:53] for instance when I change a colour in reset.css it doesn't apply until later, randomly [08:00] cub, there's no caching in the theme so it must come from (a) wordpress (plugin) or the server [08:00] wordpress itself does not cache [08:01] that's what I thought, but I only get this behaviour on the ubuntu studio theme. [08:02] thanks knome [08:02] that's weird [08:03] what you can do is access the reset.css directly in your browser and hard refresh [08:04] yup did that. It has the new settings but still the browser show the old colour. Cleared all my caches and even tried another browser [08:04] then after I got coffee it changed. [08:04] So I did another change...and is still waiting for it to show. :P strange. [08:05] anyway, then I know there's no secret stuff hidden somewhere [08:05] :) [08:50] ochosi: I did actually see that mail - but didn't say anything :) [08:56] elfy: what mail? [10:34] ochosi, knome, any feedback? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication [10:57] ochosi: the alpha participation one [11:04] just so you know I'm at that list and watch for those things [11:10] ah good, thanks elfy [11:10] ochosi, knome, feel free to add support in the Comments section there too ;) [11:10] will do! [11:18] bluesabre: is it on purpose that you don't list mugshot and menulibre in areas of involvement? [11:18] err, areas of work [11:18] i mean you do mention them, but a lot more briefly [11:18] that section indicated that it was work done with other devs, suppose I should add them anyway [11:18] and after all, two of them you've written from scratch and one of them you've practically re-done [11:19] ah right [11:19] i guess i should take a look at the template... [11:19] btw, light-locker-settings is missing [11:19] if you wanna mention that [11:19] oh yeah [11:19] we can drop the screensaver part of lls in 14.10 hopefully btw [11:20] all hail xfpm :) [11:20] woot [11:20] that is also quite good because it means users have more finegrain control over blanking/dpms again [11:20] with on-ac and on-battery settings [11:21] so yeah, the lls dialog will shrink [11:21] ideally the lock on suspend button will also go away in some way [11:22] then there'll only be two more settings left in lls... [13:22] elfy: ever heard of slack? [13:23] i figured i'd point you to it (since you're the "new team tools" guy). i just started trying it a bit as the elementary folks are using it and invited me to join [13:23] https://slack.com/is [14:05] bluesabre, got to get to that later [14:11] ochosi: no not seen that - and I was then "new team tools" guy once [14:19] elfy: once "new team tools"-guy, always "new team tools"-guy ;D [14:22] no thanks ;) [17:30] wheeeeee a bug [17:31] apparently my transer will be complete in ~11 million years [17:55] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9743 [17:56] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9743 in core "Thunar incorrectly calc time and file size when copying files" [Normal,New] [20:56] ali1234: heh, those dialogs have never spoken "the truth" though [20:59] yeah but this is a straight up bug [20:59] also network copy is broken [20:59] humm [20:59] i was thinking of this though: http://xkcd.com/612/ [20:59] when it fails to copy a file, it delete the failed copy, then uploads it again under a temporary name, then copies it to the correct name. the copy downloads and uploads the file again. [21:00] that is probably a gvfs bug though [21:00] 11 million years is blatantly an integer overflow... [21:01] the estimate can be innaccurate but not *that* innacurate [21:02] :) [21:02] this happens because it thinks the download is more than 100% complete [21:03] elfy: thanks for adding the links to the agenda, i guess i was too lazy for that... (as was Unit193) [21:03] which is a bug in itself not related to the time calculation [21:03] so it's a combination of a thunar bug and a gvfs bug [21:03] nah, they are two different bugs [21:04] when thunar retries a download, it doesn't subtract the failed bytes from the total transfered amount [21:04] and when you move/rename a file on a gvfs samba share, it downloads the file and uploads it again under the new name, which is incredibly innefficient [21:06] yeah, that would explain why i've always used scp or rsync for remote transfers in lieu of thunar [21:06] either one can be reproduced separately [21:06] i just happened to hit them both at the same time [21:07] ochosi: Hmm? [21:12] Unit193: the meeting page, nvm [21:12] I won't be there. [21:12] it'll go on the m/l [21:15] Just informin' [21:16] I doubt very much if you'll be the only one [21:16] * ochosi will try [21:16] ochosi: you expecting a vote for inxi and hexcaht? [21:17] nope [21:17] well, let's say i hope there won't be votes, both seem straightforward changes [21:17] Should I say I'm +1 both? [21:17] ochosi: really? [21:17] yeah, not bad [21:18] hexchat won't get a +1 from me atm - even if it is active [21:18] elfy: well i presume you'll raise concerns about hexchat, but inxi seems straight forward [21:18] yep [21:18] thing is, i don't use xchat or hexchat and haven't used graphical irc apps for a loooong time [21:19] :) [21:19] i'm even wondering whether we should ship one at all, because we have pidgin and all [21:20] one of those things I guess [21:20] I wonder why we ship gimp - never use that :) [21:20] Hey andrzejr: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10509 and https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10627 have patches in them that are fairly well tested (they're in Xubuntu), would you consider pushing? [21:21] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10509 in General "Set as wallpaper doesnt work (xfdesktop-4.11)" [Normal,Reopened] [21:21] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10627 in general "Use the new Gtk3 bookmarks location" [Normal,New] [21:21] ochosi: Pidgin isn't IRC. [21:21] but it *works* for it [21:22] Unit193: pidgin might not *be* irc, but it does it [21:23] thing is, we want a lean package-set still [21:23] irc is mostly there for support, it's not "productivity" [21:23] so as long as it works... [21:24] * ochosi quietly apologizes for the implicit flip-flop on his earlier "both seem straightforward" position [21:24] lol [21:38] I'm still +1 to both, but dropping one doesn't sound too bad. [21:40] i guess we could try to figure out whether we can set up pidgin easily so that it does what we want [21:40] (connect to freenode and open #xubuntu, e.g. when clicked from the slideshow or whatever other place) [21:41] Unit193: care to take a look at that ^`? [21:41] pidgin is best irc [21:43] ali1234: can we set up the config for it to do that by default though? [21:43] seems with xchat it wasn't possible and it isn't with hexchat either [21:44] Because of a shared repo with Ubuntu. [21:45] probably not [21:45] i think we should ship seamonkey instead of firefox :) [21:45] I vote for IE6 [21:45] Opera. [21:46] it's faster, smaller, uses gtk2... unfortunately it's not in the repos :) [21:46] I rather like Xombrero, personally. [21:47] oh lord, what have i done... [21:47] ochosi: Started browser wars. [21:48] ochosi: you said it was straightforward - remember not to do that again :p [21:48] So much worse than libreoffice vs gnome office. Next up, text editor wars. [21:49] anyway - I'm done for today - cya tomorrow [21:52] Unit193: well for text editors we at least have a xfce app [21:52] ochosi: Midori. [21:53] what is the mate gedit fork called? we should ship that [21:54] gmate [21:54] Unit193: midori isn't xfce anymore [21:55] no, pluma [21:55] ochosi: Still developed by the same people, IIRC. [21:55] But anywho. [21:55] i drank some mate the other day. it is weird [21:55] Unit193: yeah, well, pretty much. i wouldn't mind that, but we'd also have to switch to a different email app [21:55] when you brew it, it's bright yellow [21:55] but if you leave it for like half an hour it turns bright green [21:56] ...That's worrying. [21:56] yeah, mate tea is great [21:56] has lotsa caffeine [21:56] yummy [21:56] ochosi: I was kidding, midori isn't so great and is outdated in Debian. [21:56] tastes exactly like green tea [21:56] probably similar caffeine content [21:58] Has anyone helped review the Suite C testcases? [22:46] Unit193: humm, the ones in the staging ppa all failed to build [22:47] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xubuntu-staging [22:48] ochosi: Talked to blues last night about that, xfpm is a weird failure that I should fix, parole was a stupid mistake on my part that's been fixed. [22:50] ah cool [23:00] hey guys [23:00] righty, so i've tested slack for a day, not too bad, i have to say [23:00] intuitive ui and good overview, history search etc [23:00] cool, does it do much more than irc + google drive? [23:01] the history-search is quite useful [23:01] and the backlog is endless [23:01] cool [23:01] so ppl don't need a remote login in order not to miss anything [23:01] i think you can also somehow group conversations with a topic or something [23:02] haven't looked into that very much though [23:03] You said slack, I'm thinking OS. [23:03] right yeah, not that [23:05] ochosi, bluesabre: You haz mail. [23:12] pleia2, marketing lead: https://twitter.com/Avanninen/status/477714055520862208 [23:19] bluesabre: Danke. [23:28] Unit193: sure thing