[00:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: Speaking of which, how much, or what info do you want me to pass along when I get it?
[00:52] <bluesabre> "it?"
[00:53] <Unit193> it=info
[00:55] <bluesabre> suppose I'll take any info available
[05:12] <Unit193> knome: So when should we finish those translation things?
[06:15] <Unit193> How do you tell who has commit access to an Xfce repo?
[07:00] <cub> morning knome, are you around?
[07:15] <ali1234> Unit193: check the commit log basically. and filter out any commits containing the word "translation" - which is about 97% of them
[07:42] <knome> Unit193, "some day"
[07:42] <knome> Unit193, i'll have suitable computer time probably next week
[07:42] <knome> cub, what's up?
[07:53] <cub> Hi knome, I was updating a test installation of the Ubuntu Studio site and have some weird caching issues when doing changes in the theme. Thought you might now something about that?
[07:53] <cub> for instance when I change a colour in reset.css it doesn't apply until later, randomly
[08:00] <knome> cub, there's no caching in the theme so it must come from (a) wordpress (plugin)  or the server
[08:00] <knome> wordpress itself does not cache
[08:01] <cub> that's what I thought, but I only get this behaviour on the ubuntu studio theme.
[08:02] <cub> thanks knome 
[08:02] <knome> that's weird
[08:03] <knome> what you can do is access the reset.css directly in your browser and hard refresh
[08:04] <cub> yup did that. It has the new settings but still the browser show the old colour. Cleared all my caches and even tried another browser
[08:04] <cub> then after I got coffee it changed.
[08:04] <cub> So I did another change...and is still waiting for it to show. :P strange.
[08:05] <cub> anyway, then I know there's no secret stuff hidden somewhere
[08:05] <knome> :)
[08:50] <elfy> ochosi: I did actually see that mail - but didn't say anything :)
[08:56] <ochosi> elfy: what mail?
[10:34] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome, any feedback? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication
[10:57] <elfy> ochosi: the alpha participation one
[11:04] <elfy> just so you know I'm at that list and watch for those things 
[11:10] <ochosi> ah good, thanks elfy 
[11:10] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome, feel free to add support in the Comments section there too ;)
[11:10] <ochosi> will do!
[11:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: is it on purpose that you don't list mugshot and menulibre in areas of involvement?
[11:18] <ochosi> err, areas of work
[11:18] <ochosi> i mean you do mention them, but a lot more briefly
[11:18] <bluesabre> that section indicated that it was work done with other devs, suppose I should add them anyway
[11:18] <ochosi> and after all, two of them you've written from scratch and one of them you've practically re-done
[11:19] <ochosi> ah right
[11:19] <ochosi> i guess i should take a look at the template...
[11:19] <ochosi> btw, light-locker-settings is missing
[11:19] <ochosi> if you wanna mention that
[11:19] <bluesabre> oh yeah
[11:19] <ochosi> we can drop the screensaver part of lls in 14.10 hopefully btw
[11:20] <ochosi> all hail xfpm :)
[11:20] <bluesabre> woot
[11:20] <ochosi> that is also quite good because it means users have more finegrain control over blanking/dpms again
[11:20] <ochosi> with on-ac and on-battery settings
[11:21] <ochosi> so yeah, the lls dialog will shrink
[11:21] <ochosi> ideally the lock on suspend button will also go away in some way
[11:22] <ochosi> then there'll only be two more settings left in lls...
[13:22] <ochosi> elfy: ever heard of slack?
[13:23] <ochosi> i figured i'd point you to it (since you're the "new team tools" guy). i just started trying it a bit as the elementary folks are using it and invited me to join
[13:23] <ochosi> https://slack.com/is
[14:05] <knome> bluesabre, got to get to that later
[14:11] <elfy> ochosi: no not seen that - and I was then "new team tools" guy once
[14:19] <ochosi> elfy: once "new team tools"-guy, always "new team tools"-guy ;D
[14:22] <elfy> no thanks ;)
[17:30] <ali1234> wheeeeee a bug
[17:31] <ali1234> apparently my transer will be complete in ~11 million years
[17:55] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9743
[20:56] <ochosi> ali1234: heh, those dialogs have never spoken "the truth" though
[20:59] <ali1234> yeah but this is a straight up bug
[20:59] <ali1234> also network copy is broken
[20:59] <ochosi> humm
[20:59] <ochosi> i was thinking of this though: http://xkcd.com/612/
[20:59] <ali1234> when it fails to copy a file, it delete the failed copy, then uploads it again under a temporary name, then copies it to the correct name. the copy downloads and uploads the file again.
[21:00] <ali1234> that is probably a gvfs bug though
[21:00] <ali1234> 11 million years is blatantly an integer overflow...
[21:01] <ali1234> the estimate can be innaccurate but not *that* innacurate
[21:02] <ochosi> :)
[21:02] <ali1234> this happens because it thinks the download is more than 100% complete
[21:03] <ochosi> elfy: thanks for adding the links to the agenda, i guess i was too lazy for that... (as was Unit193)
[21:03] <ali1234> which is a bug in itself not related to the time calculation
[21:03] <ochosi> so it's a combination of a thunar bug and a gvfs bug
[21:03] <ali1234> nah, they are two different bugs
[21:04] <ali1234> when thunar retries a download, it doesn't subtract the failed bytes from the total transfered amount
[21:04] <ali1234> and when you move/rename a file on a gvfs samba share, it downloads the file and uploads it again under the new name, which is incredibly innefficient
[21:06] <ochosi> yeah, that would explain why i've always used scp or rsync for remote transfers in lieu of thunar
[21:06] <ali1234> either one can be reproduced separately
[21:06] <ali1234> i just happened to hit them both at the same time
[21:07] <Unit193> ochosi: Hmm?
[21:12] <ochosi> Unit193: the meeting page, nvm
[21:12] <Unit193> I won't be there.
[21:12] <elfy> it'll go on the m/l 
[21:15] <Unit193> Just informin'
[21:16] <elfy> I doubt very much if you'll be the only one
[21:16]  * ochosi will try
[21:16] <elfy> ochosi: you expecting a vote for inxi and hexcaht?
[21:17] <ochosi> nope
[21:17] <ochosi> well, let's say i hope there won't be votes, both seem straightforward changes
[21:17] <Unit193> Should I say I'm +1 both?
[21:17] <elfy> ochosi: really?
[21:17] <ochosi> yeah, not bad
[21:18] <elfy> hexchat won't get a +1 from me atm - even if it is active
[21:18] <ochosi> elfy: well i presume you'll raise concerns about hexchat, but inxi seems straight forward
[21:18] <elfy> yep
[21:18] <ochosi> thing is, i don't use xchat or hexchat and haven't used graphical irc apps for a loooong time
[21:19] <elfy> :)
[21:19] <ochosi> i'm even wondering whether we should ship one at all, because we have pidgin and all
[21:20] <elfy> one of those things I guess
[21:20] <elfy> I wonder why we ship gimp - never use that :)
[21:20] <Unit193> Hey andrzejr: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10509 and https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10627 have patches in them that are fairly well tested (they're in Xubuntu), would you consider pushing?
[21:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Pidgin isn't IRC.
[21:21] <elfy> but it *works* for it 
[21:22] <ochosi> Unit193: pidgin might not *be* irc, but it does it
[21:23] <ochosi> thing is, we want a lean package-set still
[21:23] <ochosi> irc is mostly there for support, it's not "productivity"
[21:23] <ochosi> so as long as it works...
[21:24]  * ochosi quietly apologizes for the implicit flip-flop on his earlier "both seem straightforward" position
[21:24] <elfy> lol
[21:38] <Unit193> I'm still +1 to both, but dropping one doesn't sound too bad.
[21:40] <ochosi> i guess we could try to figure out whether we can set up pidgin easily so that it does what we want
[21:40] <ochosi> (connect to freenode and open #xubuntu, e.g. when clicked from the slideshow or whatever other place)
[21:41] <ochosi> Unit193: care to take a look at that ^`?
[21:41] <ali1234> pidgin is best irc
[21:43] <ochosi> ali1234: can we set up the config for it to do that by default though?
[21:43] <ochosi> seems with xchat it wasn't possible and it isn't with hexchat either
[21:44] <Unit193> Because of a shared repo with Ubuntu.
[21:45] <ali1234> probably not
[21:45] <ali1234> i think we should ship seamonkey instead of firefox :)
[21:45] <elfy> I vote for IE6
[21:45] <Unit193> Opera.
[21:46] <ali1234> it's faster, smaller, uses gtk2... unfortunately it's not in the repos :)
[21:46] <Unit193> I rather like Xombrero, personally.
[21:47] <ochosi> oh lord, what have i done...
[21:47] <Unit193> ochosi: Started browser wars.
[21:48] <elfy> ochosi: you said it was straightforward - remember not to do that again :p
[21:48] <Unit193> So much worse than libreoffice vs gnome office.  Next up, text editor wars.
[21:49] <elfy> anyway - I'm done for today - cya tomorrow
[21:52] <ochosi> Unit193: well for text editors we at least have a xfce app
[21:52] <Unit193> ochosi: Midori.
[21:53] <ali1234> what is the mate gedit fork called? we should ship that
[21:54] <Unit193> gmate
[21:54] <ochosi> Unit193: midori isn't xfce anymore
[21:55] <ali1234> no, pluma
[21:55] <Unit193> ochosi: Still developed by the same people, IIRC.
[21:55] <Unit193> But anywho.
[21:55] <ali1234> i drank some mate the other day. it is weird
[21:55] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, well, pretty much. i wouldn't mind that, but we'd also have to switch to a different email app
[21:55] <ali1234> when you brew it, it's bright yellow
[21:55] <ali1234> but if you leave it for like half an hour it turns bright green
[21:56] <Unit193> ...That's worrying.
[21:56] <ochosi> yeah, mate tea is great
[21:56] <ochosi> has lotsa caffeine
[21:56] <ochosi> yummy
[21:56] <Unit193> ochosi: I was kidding, midori isn't so great and is outdated in Debian.
[21:56] <ali1234> tastes exactly like green tea
[21:56] <ali1234> probably similar caffeine content
[21:58] <Unit193> Has anyone helped review the Suite C testcases?
[22:46] <ochosi> Unit193: humm, the ones in the staging ppa all failed to build
[22:47] <ochosi> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xubuntu-staging
[22:48] <Unit193> ochosi: Talked to blues last night about that, xfpm is a weird failure that I should fix, parole was a stupid mistake on my part that's been fixed.
[22:50] <ochosi> ah cool
[23:00] <bluesabre> hey guys
[23:00] <ochosi> righty, so i've tested slack for a day, not too bad, i have to say
[23:00] <ochosi> intuitive ui and good overview, history search etc
[23:00] <bluesabre> cool, does it do much more than irc + google drive?
[23:01] <ochosi> the history-search is quite useful
[23:01] <ochosi> and the backlog is endless
[23:01] <bluesabre> cool
[23:01] <ochosi> so ppl don't need a remote login in order not to miss anything
[23:01] <ochosi> i think you can also somehow group conversations with a topic or something
[23:02] <ochosi> haven't looked into that very much though
[23:03] <Unit193> You said slack, I'm thinking OS.
[23:03] <ochosi> right yeah, not that
[23:05] <Unit193> ochosi, bluesabre: You haz mail.
[23:12] <knome> pleia2, marketing lead: https://twitter.com/Avanninen/status/477714055520862208
[23:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Danke.
[23:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure thing