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moultonlI just installed 14.04.  I'm aiming for GNOME2-ish functionality, and had that with xubuntu 12.04.  How do I get back to that in 14.04?02:39
holsteinmoultonl: xfce is what i consider much like that.. there is mate as well02:48
holsteinmoultonl: there should be very little difference in look and feel between xubuntu 12.04 and 14.0402:48
moultonlholstein, the menu reminds me of when XP came out02:50
holsteinmoultonl: ok.. the menu is different02:50
holsteinmoultonl: you are welcome to change it to what you like. .or just run xfce.. or mate.. or whatever you like.. 12.0402:51
moultonlholstein, where this computer is going is still full of XP boxes, so that may not matter much, but I was hoping for it to look like the 12.0402:51
holsteinmoultonl: i mean, it does "look like" 12.04.. not sure what you want.. if its the menu, you can change that.. is that what you want? help chaning the menu?02:51
holsteinchanging*02:51
moultonlmaking it look like the xubuntu 12.04 menu02:52
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holsteinmoultonl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=220838002:52
moultonlthe "applications" menu, then to the right of that I had a places menu.02:52
holsteinmoultonl: places is the file manager, friend02:52
holsteinmoultonl: its as simple as removing that menu,a nd adding the one you want02:53
holsteinRight click on panel. Choose Panel > Panel Preferences > Items02:54
holsteinSelect Whisker Menu and press the red X on the right (remove)02:54
holsteinThen press + on the right for new item, select 'Applications Menu' and finally press 'Add'02:54
holsteinUse the up and down arrows to position it where you want.02:54
moultonlI'm in there.  The applications menu just freaked me out.  Mostly because it's going to freak the people out that get this.  It's my in-laws' lumber yard, and not everyone there is exactly tech savvy.  :)02:55
holsteinmoultonl: just replace it, friend... you are welcome and encouraged to02:55
holsteinmoultonl: you dont have to like it, or give it to anyone... or justify it..02:55
holsteinthough, im sure you'll find that, in actuality, there are folks who would do "better "with the new one..02:55
moultonlreplace it with what though?  Oh... I see.  there's an applications menu, and what I had was a "whisker" menu.02:56
moultonlfacepalm...02:56
holsteinmoultonl: the original one, friend.. the one you are asking about.. replace the one you dont like with the original one.. ffrom the link i gave, and quoted here02:56
moultonlthey might do better, but for now I need it like it was.  I'm finally on the right track02:56
holsteinmoultonl: you dont have to like either one..or justify.. just put the one you want there..02:57
moultonland I must admit, I didn't see the link until just now.02:57
moultonlsorry02:57
holsteinmoultonl: the link *and* the quoted directions in the channel02:57
holsteinno worries.. you can customize all of this as you please02:58
holsteinbut, at somepoint, you need to consider, if you want 12.04, ust 12.0402:58
holsteinuse*02:58
moultonlis apt-get purge remove blahblah how to completely get rid of packages?03:00
holsteinmoultonl: it depends, friend.. is the drive small? are you that tight on hard drive space?03:01
moultonlno, but I'm installing libreoffice, and I know I need sun java, so I wanted to get rid of openjdk.  apt-get purge I think is what does it03:01
holsteinlibreoffice will pull in what it needs..03:02
moultonlthe lumber yard runs a java app that requires sun java 6.  Well, oracale03:02
holsteinlibreoffice should be fine on opejdk though..03:03
lucky____hello03:43
akishi all. i loaded live lubuntu 14.04 on my notebook and i plugged my lg l9ii optimus smartphone to check if it is recognised and i saw that it can recognise it as mtp device automatically and i could browse inside it through pacman file manager. In contrary on the same notebook where i am running xubuntu 12.04 to be recognised the same smartphone i have to give: sudo chmod 775 /media/MTPdevice &  sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/MTPdevice in05:45
akisterminal to make the system access the phone as mtp device. Is it 14.04 that can auto-recognise and access the device or is there any other option to handle the same feature on 12.04 without using the commands i have already mentioned.05:45
akisany idea?05:52
bazhang!info gmtp05:57
ubottugmtp (source: gmtp): simple MP3 player client for MTP based devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.4-2 (trusty), package size 122 kB, installed size 402 kB05:57
bazhangthat might be worth a shot05:57
akisbazhang: how gmtp can help me?06:00
bazhangto do what you just asked, that's what06:01
akisbazhang: maybe you did not understand what i mentioned. 14.04 auto mount and accessed the device through pacman as an mtp device automatically after i plugged it. 12.04 cannot do this as fas as i dont give the commands i already mentioned. How gmtp will auto-mount the device? i think the point is on OS not in a program and i am wondering if there is a way for auto-mount and auto-access under 12.04 in the same way as 14.04 did thourgh a file06:05
akismanager!06:05
bazhangI did understand. thats how I manage my mtp capable devices, such as smartphones, tablets and the like06:06
bazhangdid you even try it?06:07
guru_shipuhi, I just installed xubuntu 14.04 on my netbook. Everything works just fine except brightness up/down key. When I press, the I see the notification that brightness being reduced/increased, but brightness remains same(high). Please help.06:12
akisbazhang: no i didnt. in your opinion gmtp will auto-access the device and can browse inside it every file or only audio/video files?06:20
bazhangit has for the smartphones/tablets/other mtp capable devices I have tried, so yes06:32
Soelenhey people, quick question, I have an additional disk with an ntfs partition on it, when I double click this disk on the desktop it  mounts it to my system as it should, but it appears that it mounts with no executive rights, how do I change that?08:40
deshipuSoelen: maybe this link will help you:08:41
deshipu!ntfs08:41
ubottuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE08:41
deshipu!ntfs-3g08:41
ubottuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions08:41
elfy!fstab08:41
ubottuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions08:41
Soelendeshipu: elfy thanks a lot ppl! I will take a look on it08:44
svetaDesktop icons position is reset each time I log off and log on again. It's a pain.09:58
iiop_hello?10:40
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bgardneriiop_: Hello10:52
Garciahi! :)10:58
Garciai really need help making my netbook clean. is anyone here you can tell me how i can delete xubuntu on my win7 netbook? i still want win7 on it but i don't know how to delete xubuntu and resetting the mbr10:59
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svetai don't know how to get rid of grub either11:09
elfysveta: I know it's not you and Garcia wandered off, but - reinstall the windows bootloader and remove the xubuntu partition11:24
elfysveta: bug 119099011:25
ubottubug 1307251 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1190990 xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130725111:25
starratsis still befuddled at the thought of removing Xubuntu and go back to win7.11:28
svetaaaauugh11:28
bluesabrehttp://lifehacker.com/how-to-uninstall-windows-or-linux-after-dual-booting-50871042211:29
svetacan't they do unit tests for  desktop things like saving settings :'-(11:29
svetai understand it though, i wouldn't manage11:29
svetahrm, fix released -- is it packaged in this distro?11:30
xubuntu750how I can clean xubuntu11:57
xubuntu750?11:57
ARM9that depends on what you mean by "clean"11:59
pikaDemon12:03
xubuntu750i mean chk obsolete files and other12:03
ochosie.g. sudo apt-get autoremove, or sudo apt-get autoclean12:03
xubuntu750does exsist a Ccleaner for xubuntu?12:04
ochosiwhat sort of stuff would you like to clean? this isn't windows, it doesnt fill up your system with trash simply with time12:04
xubuntu750i just try apt-get autoremove but there are 0 files to remove12:05
ochosigood for you :)12:05
xubuntu750ok that's great12:05
ochosiyou can take a look at deborphan12:05
ochosiif you feel a very strong inclination to clean12:05
ochosibut it's not really necessary12:06
svetaochosi, hi.12:06
svetaochosi, I had asked a question in here.12:06
svetaand it was not answered.12:06
ochosithat happens12:06
ochosiyou can wait for a while and then repeat the question12:07
ochosiin case somebody who knows the answer has shown up in the meantime12:07
xubuntu750i used bleach bit (or something similar) to clean xubuntu but I remove windows from my pc...12:07
xubuntu750it removes12:07
SirLagzochosi: what was the question ?12:08
PeppaPigHehSince I changed to Xubuntu, my battery stays at 1% with charger in and doesn't charge. Anyone know a solution to this?12:13
SirLagzpeppa pig...heh...12:14
SirLagzPeppaPigHeh: it may just be Xubuntu not picking your battery up...if you unplug the AC, does it stay on ?12:14
xubuntu750 Peppa download batmon12:16
xubuntu750and check your battery12:16
PeppaPigHehLol, after unplugging and putting the battery in again, it charges. Sorry for a waste of time :)12:18
SirLagzPeppaPigHeh: woot ! :)12:18
sveta(resent) https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307251 how do I know when this gets packaged in Xubuntu?12:22
ubottuUbuntu bug 1307251 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:22
akishi all. where can i find an .iso for 14.04 suitable for a normal cd (700mb)?12:48
ochosisveta: it isn't part of a release of xfdesktop yet, as you can see here: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/log/12:52
cfhowlett!iso | akis12:52
ubottuakis: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.12:52
ochosisveta: so when 4.11.7 is released and that gets uploaded to utopic, we can ask for SRU to trusty. (bottom line: could take a while)12:52
svetaok12:53
svetai also have issue with resume from suspend12:53
svetaso i sorta have to shutdown, and face this issue with reset icon position12:53
svetaor to resume from suspend and then i am locked out iirc, which is also a bug and also not in yet12:53
akiscfhowlett: here http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ i can find *.iso but not suitable for cds.12:54
svetait's a bit lot of work in that long chain of people and sites so i hope you sort it out soon12:54
cfhowlett!mini|akiss12:54
ubottuakiss: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD12:54
akiscfhowlett: i know about mini cd. I am asking if there is available a live version sutitable for normal cd not for a dvd.12:58
xanguaakis: neither ubuntu or xubuntu fits in a cd anymore12:59
ARM9for whatever reason12:59
akisxangua: ok. that's the best answer to my question! thanks.13:00
baizona question. I have an application which is using xterm instead of xfce-4terminal. Is there a way to check the default terminal application?13:02
ochosisveta: i think the patched versions of xfce4-power-manager and light-locker-settings should be in -proposed already13:03
svetacan I get them from there?13:05
svetabaizon, in start, settings, preferred applications13:05
baizonsveta: i got there xfce4-terminal13:07
baizonbut still some applications are using xterm13:07
svetalike which ones? codeblocks insisted on xterm for me for example, by design13:08
baizonsynapse13:09
psxubuntuhello guy13:19
psxubuntubuys13:19
psxubuntuI am new to ubuntu and xubuntu13:20
psxubuntuI installed it yesterday and it looks great13:20
psxubuntuso far I have seen only óne problem, when I shutdown the computer my usb mouse remains on.13:21
psxubuntuanyone had the same problem?13:30
psxubuntuor is it a problem at all?13:31
ochosiit's odd, but i guess that's hardware related13:36
ochosiif the usb-port still has power even though the computer is shut down, i'd say that has nothing to do with linux13:37
baizon+113:37
ochosisveta: you can enable the proposed updates in the software sources dialog13:37
baizonochosi: wrong channel i think ;)13:39
baizonnope, sorry im wrong, right one :D13:39
ochosiheh13:39
starratsdoes your usb mouse have it's own power source, psxubuntu13:39
ochosihe already left...13:39
starratsdamn, didn't se him leaving13:40
xubuntu849hello friends17:38
xubuntu849Is Xubuntu lighter than Linux Mint 17 XFCE?17:38
holsteinxubuntu849: software typically doenst make hardware any faster or better, though, it can use less resources and be configured to make better use of certain hardware17:40
xubuntu849Thankyou :)17:40
holsteinxubuntu849: you can try both live and see what meets your needs.. i woudnt expect much difference with xfce vs xfce..17:40
xubuntu849Okay, thanks alot17:40
LNCPOver a few years I’ve installed and removed several linux distros on multiple drives. I’ve settled on one, though, but I can’t remove what is left of GRUB on the other drives, and I can’t get another drive to boot by default in the UEFI BIOS. What should I do?18:25
ARM9bootrepair18:27
GridCube!uefi | LNCP18:28
ubottuLNCP: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI18:28
LNCPI’ll go check18:30
LNCPGridCube: I checked /etc/fstab (well, it was /etc/fstab.d) and it was empty. I assume it means GRUB is in the MBR of these drives, and the advice is to use a Windows repair CD and run “bootrec /fixmbr”, assuming one has Windows installed - which I do. Is this right?18:49
GridCubeLNCP, i sincerily do not know, everytime i've used an uefi boot manager i checked it to allow legacy boot method and choose the drive i wanted as boot point18:51
LNCPGridCube: No, what I wrote refers to that kind of boot.18:51
LNCPBut thanks anyway, I guess.18:52
LNCP:)18:52
GridCubeyeah, but you problem seems to be that uefi is not calling that drive to boot from18:52
GridCube!bootreapair18:52
GridCube!boot-reapair18:53
* genii sips18:53
GridCubehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair18:53
GridCubeLNCP, ^ best option you might have is using boot-repair18:54
LNCPGridCube: Thanks, I’ll try that18:58
kickrhi guys, has anyone notice that if you close the lid of your laptop, open it back again and login, the desktop becomes blank screen?19:18
knomekickr, have you read the release announcement/notes?19:19
kickrknome, just now :)19:19
elfyI guess you know we noticed then :)19:47
kickrknome, elfy, it was tagged as fixed but the comments seems not19:50
xubuntu821Am trying to test-drive Xubuntu on my desktop system. It appears to load from the DVD and shows a screen with small keyboard & person figure, then just sits there with blinking cursor in top left corner of blank black screen. Ubuntu brings up the OS & lets me select to Try or Install. I don't get there with Xubuntu. I want to compare them & see which will work best for my needs.23:02
holsteinso, it worked with what?23:03
xubuntu821I am in the Try mode with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, right now.23:03
holsteinok.. you can always install that and add xfce or xubuntu.. xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. you can check and make sure you have the xubuntu iso sum..23:04
holstein!md523:04
ubottuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows23:04
holsteinxubuntu821: make sure you have the same verions.. xubuntu 14.04.. and look into how you made the USB stick, or DVD23:04
xubuntu821I am mostly interested in differences in A: software available for each B: graphical user interface looks. Have UbuntuStudio on my laptop, but it don't seem to offer software that meets my needs.23:06
holsteinxubuntu821: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so the software avialability is identical23:06
xubuntu821DVD was written via Windows 7 64bit using UltraISO23:07
holsteinxubuntu821: ubuntustudio is as well, so its software availability is identical, as well...23:07
holsteinxubuntu821: ubuntustudio uses xfce, and we mostly pull the look and feel right from xubuntu23:07
xubuntu042Hello, I'm searching for help with installing windows 8 and xubuntu together on one machine, any ideas?23:07
holstein!dualboot | xubuntu042 i would do windows first23:08
ubottuxubuntu042 i would do windows first: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot23:08
xubuntu821Is there a Linux version that is aimed toward someone working with: 1 - huge music library & vinyl LPs to digitize. 2 - large pictures collection (slides, negatives, prints) to digitize, organize, put onto DVD able to run on home TV and DVD player?23:10
holsteinxubuntu821: out of the box, any will do that23:10
holsteinxubuntu821: its a matter of finding what you want/need, and just installing and using it. but all the official "flavours", lubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntustuduio, xubuntu, etc... they all have access to the main supported ubuntu sources, and only those sources23:11
xubuntu821holstein, thank you for your assistance. As I understand you, if Xubuntu 'won't load' on my system, forget it & install Ubuntu?23:12
holsteinxubuntu821: not really.. im saying, xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so if your installation media is problematic, and you are having luck with ubuntu, you can install xfce there or make it xubuntu23:13
holsteinxubuntu821: im assuming you are booting the same versions.. ubuntu 14.04 and xubuntu 14.04, therefore, there should be no need for grahpics hardware troubleshooting such as..23:14
holstein!nomodeset23:14
ubottuA common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter23:14
holsteinxubuntu821: it could be, you made a bad DVD, or have a bad iso download of xubuntu23:14
xubuntu821Does it show the same graphical user interface as Ubuntu? I'd like to find version similar to Windows 7 interface (to lessen learning curve).23:15
holsteinxubuntu821: depends on what you find "similar" to windows.. if that is xfce, then, xfce is just a package in the default repos that you can install in main ubuntu, which ubuntustudio and xfce use by default23:16
holsteinxubuntu821: is that what you want? the look and feel more of ubuntustudio?23:16
xubuntu821Get same 'black screen' when I try to load Xubuntu Desktop 13.10 as i do with 14.04 Desktop.23:16
holsteinxubuntu821: im assuming you are using the same version23:17
holsteinxubuntu821: its plausible that *any* 13.10 version would black screen, and *any* 14.04 wouldnt23:17
holsteinxubuntu821: its much less likely, if not impossible that any one variant would fail, since they have the same support.. but, gnome and unity require 3d support which can be problematic. though, i am assuming you are stating "main ubuntu 14.04 works fine live"23:18
xubuntu821I am chatting via the "Try Ubuntu" IRC right now. Couldn't get Xubuntu to get past that black screen with blinking cursor, in either 13.10 or 14.04 LTS Desktop x64 versions.23:20
holsteinxubuntu821: ok.. so, that doesnt add up, then, does it? since they are the same kernels?23:20
holsteinxubuntu821: so, if you havent checked the md5 sum of the iso, i start there.. then, i try the integrity check on the DVD23:21
holsteinxubuntu821: you can try nomodeset, though, as i said, you shouldnt need it, assuming youa re using the same versions.. 14.04.. 14.04 is 14.04.. running unity or xfce, or whatever.. its all ubuntu23:21
xubuntu821I have no idea! I'm just trying to move from Windows 7 x64 to Linux, as am tired of Windows problems.23:22
holsteinwell, i say, since you are new, just go with what works.. its easy to switch desktop environments23:23
xubuntu821Have Windows 7 x64 already installed on system & going to add Linux OS, so I can learn to use it & hopefully transfer data from Win7 to Linux before giving Win7 the axe.23:23
xubuntu821One other quick question... any idea how to get my email messages out of Microsoft's Live 2012 mail program & into a Linux email program?23:24
holsteinxubuntu821: export.. usually, i'll try to import, on the windows box, to thunderbird23:25
holsteinxubuntu821: if there is a path to outlook, you can go to outlook, then to thunderbird, then you are good.. windows to linux in thunderbird23:26
xubuntu821Microsoft did something with the 2012 version of Live, and it only offers to export to Outlook. Does Outlook have to be installed? That's more $23:27
holsteinxubuntu821: i have no idea.. but nothing about linux is preventing them from allowing you to export or import anything23:28
holsteinxubuntu821: if you can get to outlook, i can see a path..23:28
xubuntu821Alright, I'll try to export to Outlook (even though it ain't installed) and see if export works. thanks for all your help. Oh, how do I end this chat, so I can get back to Linux OS & do Ubuntu install?23:29
holstein /exit or /quit ?23:30
holsteinprobably just close whatever client you are using..23:30
xubuntu821Thanks again, holstein! have a wonderful day! Will install Ubuntu, now!23:31
holsteinxubuntu821: cheers23:31
ilhamihey23:56
ilhamianybody here?23:56
holsteinilhami: yes... just ask if you have a question23:57
ilhamihow can I watch videos with xubuntu? it seems pretty slow when it comes to videos.. or is it just my PC?23:57
ilhamiit is lagging a lot23:57
ilhamiis there something I can download or install?23:58
holsteini jusst watch them.. if you are talking about , specifically some type of video, like flash video, or something else, we can talk about that23:58
ilhamiVideos from youtube e.g.23:58
holsteinilhami: flash is not supporting linux right now.. there is a more current version available to chrome that can be used with linux in chrome or chromium23:59
ilhamiI know xubuntu is lightweight and all that..23:59
holsteinhttps://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/23:59
holsteinilhami: this has nothing to do with linux, or xubuntu23:59
holsteinilhami: its all about the content, and the flash software23:59

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