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[02:39] <moultonl> I just installed 14.04.  I'm aiming for GNOME2-ish functionality, and had that with xubuntu 12.04.  How do I get back to that in 14.04?
[02:48] <holstein> moultonl: xfce is what i consider much like that.. there is mate as well
[02:48] <holstein> moultonl: there should be very little difference in look and feel between xubuntu 12.04 and 14.04
[02:50] <moultonl> holstein, the menu reminds me of when XP came out
[02:50] <holstein> moultonl: ok.. the menu is different
[02:51] <holstein> moultonl: you are welcome to change it to what you like. .or just run xfce.. or mate.. or whatever you like.. 12.04
[02:51] <moultonl> holstein, where this computer is going is still full of XP boxes, so that may not matter much, but I was hoping for it to look like the 12.04
[02:51] <holstein> moultonl: i mean, it does "look like" 12.04.. not sure what you want.. if its the menu, you can change that.. is that what you want? help chaning the menu?
[02:51] <holstein> changing*
[02:52] <moultonl> making it look like the xubuntu 12.04 menu
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[02:52] <holstein> moultonl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208380
[02:52] <moultonl> the "applications" menu, then to the right of that I had a places menu.
[02:52] <holstein> moultonl: places is the file manager, friend
[02:53] <holstein> moultonl: its as simple as removing that menu,a nd adding the one you want
[02:54] <holstein> Right click on panel. Choose Panel > Panel Preferences > Items
[02:54] <holstein> Select Whisker Menu and press the red X on the right (remove)
[02:54] <holstein> Then press + on the right for new item, select 'Applications Menu' and finally press 'Add'
[02:54] <holstein> Use the up and down arrows to position it where you want.
[02:55] <moultonl> I'm in there.  The applications menu just freaked me out.  Mostly because it's going to freak the people out that get this.  It's my in-laws' lumber yard, and not everyone there is exactly tech savvy.  :)
[02:55] <holstein> moultonl: just replace it, friend... you are welcome and encouraged to
[02:55] <holstein> moultonl: you dont have to like it, or give it to anyone... or justify it..
[02:55] <holstein> though, im sure you'll find that, in actuality, there are folks who would do "better "with the new one..
[02:56] <moultonl> replace it with what though?  Oh... I see.  there's an applications menu, and what I had was a "whisker" menu.
[02:56] <moultonl> facepalm...
[02:56] <holstein> moultonl: the original one, friend.. the one you are asking about.. replace the one you dont like with the original one.. ffrom the link i gave, and quoted here
[02:56] <moultonl> they might do better, but for now I need it like it was.  I'm finally on the right track
[02:57] <holstein> moultonl: you dont have to like either one..or justify.. just put the one you want there..
[02:57] <moultonl> and I must admit, I didn't see the link until just now.
[02:57] <moultonl> sorry
[02:57] <holstein> moultonl: the link *and* the quoted directions in the channel
[02:58] <holstein> no worries.. you can customize all of this as you please
[02:58] <holstein> but, at somepoint, you need to consider, if you want 12.04, ust 12.04
[02:58] <holstein> use*
[03:00] <moultonl> is apt-get purge remove blahblah how to completely get rid of packages?
[03:01] <holstein> moultonl: it depends, friend.. is the drive small? are you that tight on hard drive space?
[03:01] <moultonl> no, but I'm installing libreoffice, and I know I need sun java, so I wanted to get rid of openjdk.  apt-get purge I think is what does it
[03:02] <holstein> libreoffice will pull in what it needs..
[03:02] <moultonl> the lumber yard runs a java app that requires sun java 6.  Well, oracale
[03:03] <holstein> libreoffice should be fine on opejdk though..
[03:43] <lucky____> hello
[05:45] <akis> hi all. i loaded live lubuntu 14.04 on my notebook and i plugged my lg l9ii optimus smartphone to check if it is recognised and i saw that it can recognise it as mtp device automatically and i could browse inside it through pacman file manager. In contrary on the same notebook where i am running xubuntu 12.04 to be recognised the same smartphone i have to give: sudo chmod 775 /media/MTPdevice &  sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/MTPdevice in
[05:45] <akis> terminal to make the system access the phone as mtp device. Is it 14.04 that can auto-recognise and access the device or is there any other option to handle the same feature on 12.04 without using the commands i have already mentioned.
[05:52] <akis> any idea?
[05:57] <bazhang> !info gmtp
[05:57] <ubottu> gmtp (source: gmtp): simple MP3 player client for MTP based devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.4-2 (trusty), package size 122 kB, installed size 402 kB
[05:57] <bazhang> that might be worth a shot
[06:00] <akis> bazhang: how gmtp can help me?
[06:01] <bazhang> to do what you just asked, that's what
[06:05] <akis> bazhang: maybe you did not understand what i mentioned. 14.04 auto mount and accessed the device through pacman as an mtp device automatically after i plugged it. 12.04 cannot do this as fas as i dont give the commands i already mentioned. How gmtp will auto-mount the device? i think the point is on OS not in a program and i am wondering if there is a way for auto-mount and auto-access under 12.04 in the same way as 14.04 did thourgh a file
[06:05] <akis> manager!
[06:06] <bazhang> I did understand. thats how I manage my mtp capable devices, such as smartphones, tablets and the like
[06:07] <bazhang> did you even try it?
[06:12] <guru_shipu> hi, I just installed xubuntu 14.04 on my netbook. Everything works just fine except brightness up/down key. When I press, the I see the notification that brightness being reduced/increased, but brightness remains same(high). Please help.
[06:20] <akis> bazhang: no i didnt. in your opinion gmtp will auto-access the device and can browse inside it every file or only audio/video files?
[06:32] <bazhang> it has for the smartphones/tablets/other mtp capable devices I have tried, so yes
[08:40] <Soelen> hey people, quick question, I have an additional disk with an ntfs partition on it, when I double click this disk on the desktop it  mounts it to my system as it should, but it appears that it mounts with no executive rights, how do I change that?
[08:41] <deshipu> Soelen: maybe this link will help you:
[08:41] <deshipu> !ntfs
[08:41] <ubottu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[08:41] <deshipu> !ntfs-3g
[08:41] <ubottu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:41] <elfy> !fstab
[08:41] <ubottu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:44] <Soelen> deshipu: elfy thanks a lot ppl! I will take a look on it
[09:58] <sveta> Desktop icons position is reset each time I log off and log on again. It's a pain.
[10:40] <iiop_> hello?
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[10:52] <bgardner> iiop_: Hello
[10:58] <Garcia> hi! :)
[10:59] <Garcia> i really need help making my netbook clean. is anyone here you can tell me how i can delete xubuntu on my win7 netbook? i still want win7 on it but i don't know how to delete xubuntu and resetting the mbr
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[11:09] <sveta> i don't know how to get rid of grub either
[11:24] <elfy> sveta: I know it's not you and Garcia wandered off, but - reinstall the windows bootloader and remove the xubuntu partition
[11:25] <elfy> sveta: bug 1190990
[11:25] <ubottu> bug 1307251 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1190990 xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307251
[11:28] <starrats> is still befuddled at the thought of removing Xubuntu and go back to win7.
[11:28] <sveta> aaauugh
[11:29] <bluesabre> http://lifehacker.com/how-to-uninstall-windows-or-linux-after-dual-booting-508710422
[11:29] <sveta> can't they do unit tests for  desktop things like saving settings :'-(
[11:29] <sveta> i understand it though, i wouldn't manage
[11:30] <sveta> hrm, fix released -- is it packaged in this distro?
[11:57] <xubuntu750> how I can clean xubuntu
[11:57] <xubuntu750> ?
[11:59] <ARM9> that depends on what you mean by "clean"
[12:03] <pika> Demon
[12:03] <xubuntu750> i mean chk obsolete files and other
[12:03] <ochosi> e.g. sudo apt-get autoremove, or sudo apt-get autoclean
[12:04] <xubuntu750> does exsist a Ccleaner for xubuntu?
[12:04] <ochosi> what sort of stuff would you like to clean? this isn't windows, it doesnt fill up your system with trash simply with time
[12:05] <xubuntu750> i just try apt-get autoremove but there are 0 files to remove
[12:05] <ochosi> good for you :)
[12:05] <xubuntu750> ok that's great
[12:05] <ochosi> you can take a look at deborphan
[12:05] <ochosi> if you feel a very strong inclination to clean
[12:06] <ochosi> but it's not really necessary
[12:06] <sveta> ochosi, hi.
[12:06] <sveta> ochosi, I had asked a question in here.
[12:06] <sveta> and it was not answered.
[12:06] <ochosi> that happens
[12:07] <ochosi> you can wait for a while and then repeat the question
[12:07] <ochosi> in case somebody who knows the answer has shown up in the meantime
[12:07] <xubuntu750> i used bleach bit (or something similar) to clean xubuntu but I remove windows from my pc...
[12:07] <xubuntu750> it removes
[12:08] <SirLagz> ochosi: what was the question ?
[12:13] <PeppaPigHeh> Since I changed to Xubuntu, my battery stays at 1% with charger in and doesn't charge. Anyone know a solution to this?
[12:14] <SirLagz> peppa pig...heh...
[12:14] <SirLagz> PeppaPigHeh: it may just be Xubuntu not picking your battery up...if you unplug the AC, does it stay on ?
[12:16] <xubuntu750>  Peppa download batmon
[12:16] <xubuntu750> and check your battery
[12:18] <PeppaPigHeh> Lol, after unplugging and putting the battery in again, it charges. Sorry for a waste of time :)
[12:18] <SirLagz> PeppaPigHeh: woot ! :)
[12:22] <sveta> (resent) https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307251 how do I know when this gets packaged in Xubuntu?
[12:22] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1307251 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:48] <akis> hi all. where can i find an .iso for 14.04 suitable for a normal cd (700mb)?
[12:52] <ochosi> sveta: it isn't part of a release of xfdesktop yet, as you can see here: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/log/
[12:52] <cfhowlett> !iso | akis
[12:52] <ubottu> akis: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[12:52] <ochosi> sveta: so when 4.11.7 is released and that gets uploaded to utopic, we can ask for SRU to trusty. (bottom line: could take a while)
[12:53] <sveta> ok
[12:53] <sveta> i also have issue with resume from suspend
[12:53] <sveta> so i sorta have to shutdown, and face this issue with reset icon position
[12:53] <sveta> or to resume from suspend and then i am locked out iirc, which is also a bug and also not in yet
[12:54] <akis> cfhowlett: here http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ i can find *.iso but not suitable for cds.
[12:54] <sveta> it's a bit lot of work in that long chain of people and sites so i hope you sort it out soon
[12:54] <cfhowlett> !mini|akiss
[12:54] <ubottu> akiss: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[12:58] <akis> cfhowlett: i know about mini cd. I am asking if there is available a live version sutitable for normal cd not for a dvd.
[12:59] <xangua> akis: neither ubuntu or xubuntu fits in a cd anymore
[12:59] <ARM9> for whatever reason
[13:00] <akis> xangua: ok. that's the best answer to my question! thanks.
[13:02] <baizon> a question. I have an application which is using xterm instead of xfce-4terminal. Is there a way to check the default terminal application?
[13:03] <ochosi> sveta: i think the patched versions of xfce4-power-manager and light-locker-settings should be in -proposed already
[13:05] <sveta> can I get them from there?
[13:05] <sveta> baizon, in start, settings, preferred applications
[13:07] <baizon> sveta: i got there xfce4-terminal
[13:07] <baizon> but still some applications are using xterm
[13:08] <sveta> like which ones? codeblocks insisted on xterm for me for example, by design
[13:09] <baizon> synapse
[13:19] <psxubuntu> hello guy
[13:19] <psxubuntu> buys
[13:20] <psxubuntu> I am new to ubuntu and xubuntu
[13:20] <psxubuntu> I installed it yesterday and it looks great
[13:21] <psxubuntu> so far I have seen only óne problem, when I shutdown the computer my usb mouse remains on.
[13:30] <psxubuntu> anyone had the same problem?
[13:31] <psxubuntu> or is it a problem at all?
[13:36] <ochosi> it's odd, but i guess that's hardware related
[13:37] <ochosi> if the usb-port still has power even though the computer is shut down, i'd say that has nothing to do with linux
[13:37] <baizon> +1
[13:37] <ochosi> sveta: you can enable the proposed updates in the software sources dialog
[13:39] <baizon> ochosi: wrong channel i think ;)
[13:39] <baizon> nope, sorry im wrong, right one :D
[13:39] <ochosi> heh
[13:39] <starrats> does your usb mouse have it's own power source, psxubuntu
[13:39] <ochosi> he already left...
[13:40] <starrats> damn, didn't se him leaving
[17:38] <xubuntu849> hello friends
[17:38] <xubuntu849> Is Xubuntu lighter than Linux Mint 17 XFCE?
[17:40] <holstein> xubuntu849: software typically doenst make hardware any faster or better, though, it can use less resources and be configured to make better use of certain hardware
[17:40] <xubuntu849> Thankyou :)
[17:40] <holstein> xubuntu849: you can try both live and see what meets your needs.. i woudnt expect much difference with xfce vs xfce..
[17:40] <xubuntu849> Okay, thanks alot
[18:25] <LNCP> Over a few years I’ve installed and removed several linux distros on multiple drives. I’ve settled on one, though, but I can’t remove what is left of GRUB on the other drives, and I can’t get another drive to boot by default in the UEFI BIOS. What should I do?
[18:27] <ARM9> bootrepair
[18:28] <GridCube> !uefi | LNCP
[18:28] <ubottu> LNCP: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[18:30] <LNCP> I’ll go check
[18:49] <LNCP> GridCube: I checked /etc/fstab (well, it was /etc/fstab.d) and it was empty. I assume it means GRUB is in the MBR of these drives, and the advice is to use a Windows repair CD and run “bootrec /fixmbr”, assuming one has Windows installed - which I do. Is this right?
[18:51] <GridCube> LNCP, i sincerily do not know, everytime i've used an uefi boot manager i checked it to allow legacy boot method and choose the drive i wanted as boot point
[18:51] <LNCP> GridCube: No, what I wrote refers to that kind of boot.
[18:52] <LNCP> But thanks anyway, I guess.
[18:52] <LNCP> :)
[18:52] <GridCube> yeah, but you problem seems to be that uefi is not calling that drive to boot from
[18:52] <GridCube> !bootreapair
[18:53] <GridCube> !boot-reapair
[18:53]  * genii sips
[18:53] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:54] <GridCube> LNCP, ^ best option you might have is using boot-repair
[18:58] <LNCP> GridCube: Thanks, I’ll try that
[19:18] <kickr> hi guys, has anyone notice that if you close the lid of your laptop, open it back again and login, the desktop becomes blank screen?
[19:19] <knome> kickr, have you read the release announcement/notes?
[19:19] <kickr> knome, just now :)
[19:47] <elfy> I guess you know we noticed then :)
[19:50] <kickr> knome, elfy, it was tagged as fixed but the comments seems not
[23:02] <xubuntu821> Am trying to test-drive Xubuntu on my desktop system. It appears to load from the DVD and shows a screen with small keyboard & person figure, then just sits there with blinking cursor in top left corner of blank black screen. Ubuntu brings up the OS & lets me select to Try or Install. I don't get there with Xubuntu. I want to compare them & see which will work best for my needs.
[23:03] <holstein> so, it worked with what?
[23:03] <xubuntu821> I am in the Try mode with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, right now.
[23:04] <holstein> ok.. you can always install that and add xfce or xubuntu.. xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. you can check and make sure you have the xubuntu iso sum..
[23:04] <holstein> !md5
[23:04] <ubottu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[23:04] <holstein> xubuntu821: make sure you have the same verions.. xubuntu 14.04.. and look into how you made the USB stick, or DVD
[23:06] <xubuntu821> I am mostly interested in differences in A: software available for each B: graphical user interface looks. Have UbuntuStudio on my laptop, but it don't seem to offer software that meets my needs.
[23:06] <holstein> xubuntu821: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so the software avialability is identical
[23:07] <xubuntu821> DVD was written via Windows 7 64bit using UltraISO
[23:07] <holstein> xubuntu821: ubuntustudio is as well, so its software availability is identical, as well...
[23:07] <holstein> xubuntu821: ubuntustudio uses xfce, and we mostly pull the look and feel right from xubuntu
[23:07] <xubuntu042> Hello, I'm searching for help with installing windows 8 and xubuntu together on one machine, any ideas?
[23:08] <holstein> !dualboot | xubuntu042 i would do windows first
[23:08] <ubottu> xubuntu042 i would do windows first: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[23:10] <xubuntu821> Is there a Linux version that is aimed toward someone working with: 1 - huge music library & vinyl LPs to digitize. 2 - large pictures collection (slides, negatives, prints) to digitize, organize, put onto DVD able to run on home TV and DVD player?
[23:10] <holstein> xubuntu821: out of the box, any will do that
[23:11] <holstein> xubuntu821: its a matter of finding what you want/need, and just installing and using it. but all the official "flavours", lubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntustuduio, xubuntu, etc... they all have access to the main supported ubuntu sources, and only those sources
[23:12] <xubuntu821> holstein, thank you for your assistance. As I understand you, if Xubuntu 'won't load' on my system, forget it & install Ubuntu?
[23:13] <holstein> xubuntu821: not really.. im saying, xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so if your installation media is problematic, and you are having luck with ubuntu, you can install xfce there or make it xubuntu
[23:14] <holstein> xubuntu821: im assuming you are booting the same versions.. ubuntu 14.04 and xubuntu 14.04, therefore, there should be no need for grahpics hardware troubleshooting such as..
[23:14] <holstein> !nomodeset
[23:14] <ubottu> A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[23:14] <holstein> xubuntu821: it could be, you made a bad DVD, or have a bad iso download of xubuntu
[23:15] <xubuntu821> Does it show the same graphical user interface as Ubuntu? I'd like to find version similar to Windows 7 interface (to lessen learning curve).
[23:16] <holstein> xubuntu821: depends on what you find "similar" to windows.. if that is xfce, then, xfce is just a package in the default repos that you can install in main ubuntu, which ubuntustudio and xfce use by default
[23:16] <holstein> xubuntu821: is that what you want? the look and feel more of ubuntustudio?
[23:16] <xubuntu821> Get same 'black screen' when I try to load Xubuntu Desktop 13.10 as i do with 14.04 Desktop.
[23:17] <holstein> xubuntu821: im assuming you are using the same version
[23:17] <holstein> xubuntu821: its plausible that *any* 13.10 version would black screen, and *any* 14.04 wouldnt
[23:18] <holstein> xubuntu821: its much less likely, if not impossible that any one variant would fail, since they have the same support.. but, gnome and unity require 3d support which can be problematic. though, i am assuming you are stating "main ubuntu 14.04 works fine live"
[23:20] <xubuntu821> I am chatting via the "Try Ubuntu" IRC right now. Couldn't get Xubuntu to get past that black screen with blinking cursor, in either 13.10 or 14.04 LTS Desktop x64 versions.
[23:20] <holstein> xubuntu821: ok.. so, that doesnt add up, then, does it? since they are the same kernels?
[23:21] <holstein> xubuntu821: so, if you havent checked the md5 sum of the iso, i start there.. then, i try the integrity check on the DVD
[23:21] <holstein> xubuntu821: you can try nomodeset, though, as i said, you shouldnt need it, assuming youa re using the same versions.. 14.04.. 14.04 is 14.04.. running unity or xfce, or whatever.. its all ubuntu
[23:22] <xubuntu821> I have no idea! I'm just trying to move from Windows 7 x64 to Linux, as am tired of Windows problems.
[23:23] <holstein> well, i say, since you are new, just go with what works.. its easy to switch desktop environments
[23:23] <xubuntu821> Have Windows 7 x64 already installed on system & going to add Linux OS, so I can learn to use it & hopefully transfer data from Win7 to Linux before giving Win7 the axe.
[23:24] <xubuntu821> One other quick question... any idea how to get my email messages out of Microsoft's Live 2012 mail program & into a Linux email program?
[23:25] <holstein> xubuntu821: export.. usually, i'll try to import, on the windows box, to thunderbird
[23:26] <holstein> xubuntu821: if there is a path to outlook, you can go to outlook, then to thunderbird, then you are good.. windows to linux in thunderbird
[23:27] <xubuntu821> Microsoft did something with the 2012 version of Live, and it only offers to export to Outlook. Does Outlook have to be installed? That's more $
[23:28] <holstein> xubuntu821: i have no idea.. but nothing about linux is preventing them from allowing you to export or import anything
[23:28] <holstein> xubuntu821: if you can get to outlook, i can see a path..
[23:29] <xubuntu821> Alright, I'll try to export to Outlook (even though it ain't installed) and see if export works. thanks for all your help. Oh, how do I end this chat, so I can get back to Linux OS & do Ubuntu install?
[23:30] <holstein>  /exit or /quit ?
[23:30] <holstein> probably just close whatever client you are using..
[23:31] <xubuntu821> Thanks again, holstein! have a wonderful day! Will install Ubuntu, now!
[23:31] <holstein> xubuntu821: cheers
[23:56] <ilhami> hey
[23:56] <ilhami> anybody here?
[23:57] <holstein> ilhami: yes... just ask if you have a question
[23:57] <ilhami> how can I watch videos with xubuntu? it seems pretty slow when it comes to videos.. or is it just my PC?
[23:57] <ilhami> it is lagging a lot
[23:58] <ilhami> is there something I can download or install?
[23:58] <holstein> i jusst watch them.. if you are talking about , specifically some type of video, like flash video, or something else, we can talk about that
[23:58] <ilhami> Videos from youtube e.g.
[23:59] <holstein> ilhami: flash is not supporting linux right now.. there is a more current version available to chrome that can be used with linux in chrome or chromium
[23:59] <ilhami> I know xubuntu is lightweight and all that..
[23:59] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[23:59] <holstein> ilhami: this has nothing to do with linux, or xubuntu
[23:59] <holstein> ilhami: its all about the content, and the flash software