[00:33] <bac> hola huwshimi
[00:33] <huwshimi> bac: Hey :)
[00:40] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Any feelings on what keyboard shortcut we should use for hiding the sidebar?
[00:40] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I was thinking Shift+f for "fullscreen"
[00:42] <huwshimi> or full-width or something
[01:54] <rick_h_> huwshimi: oh hmm, didn't think about it...ponderings
[01:54] <rick_h_> wish we could use S but that's taken
[01:55] <huwshimi> yeah
[01:56] <rick_h_> huwshimi: h? for hide
[01:56] <rick_h_> f would be ok, I'm just used to thinking of things like f11 fullscreen and such in browsers
[01:57] <rick_h_> so when I'm in a browser 'fullscreen' means a bit different, or like image galleries that go 'fullscreen' with the pic
[01:57] <huwshimi> yeah
[01:57] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I'm happy with 'h'
[01:57] <rick_h_> huwshimi: ok, let's roll with that until someone wants to have a debate on it :)
[01:58] <huwshimi> rick_h_: OK :)
[01:58] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I'm happy to drag this out a bit more now if you prefer? :)
[01:59] <rick_h_> huwshimi: hah, that's ok. I'm done debating stuff today
[11:14] <rick_h_> morning
[12:11] <bac> morning
[12:13] <rick_h_> morn
[12:37]  * rogpeppe lunches
[12:53]  * rick_h_ is changing locations and heading to the coffee shop
[13:11] <bac> rick_h_: you relocated?
[13:11] <rick_h_> bac: yep
[13:11] <rick_h_> sorry, coffee in hand now ready to face the rest of the day
[13:11] <bac> rick_h_: hey, for the ci instance do you have the environements .jenv file?  it is my understanding that sharing that is the only way to collaborate on juju environments.
[13:12] <rick_h_> bac: aha, ok yes I do have it. However, I just realized my router is not setup to let me ssh home to my desktop to get it. (new routers ftw and fml)
[13:13] <rick_h_> bac: thinking, I have a GUI on that instance and will see if I can find the address and get into it at all. 
[13:13] <bac> rick_h_: for charmworld we have a private branch with the tools to get it up and running.  we then commit the .jenv file and push it back up to LP.
[13:14] <rick_h_> bac: ok, can work on setting that up. I'll add a card to maint to get the files in. 
[13:14] <bac> cool
[13:14] <bac> rick_h_: the trusty jenkins-slave charm has been ingested and is available. i'm going to experiment with it on ec2
[13:15] <rick_h_> bac: ok cool
[13:15] <rick_h_> bac: I'm trying to see if I have the info to get into the GUI on there atm. Worst case I'll be heading home before stand up
[13:15] <bac> ok
[13:15] <rick_h_> just like to get out of the way of the cleaners 
[13:16] <bac> our isp went south today so i'm at coworking spot. nice change of scenery.
[13:16] <rick_h_> yea, I've not been coming out here much. In one way nice, put on the noise cancelling headphones and more light 
[13:17] <rick_h_> but then there's those people around you talking about politics and disasters on one side and religious ones on the other side of me
[13:19] <rick_h_> bac: ok, sending gui info in pm
[13:45] <bac> rick_h_: also, what's the utility in making the internal IP address clickable?
[13:47] <rick_h_> bac: well if you're on that network (openstack?) you might be able to reach it?
[13:47] <rick_h_> or vpn'd or something
[13:47] <rick_h_> bac: I admit it's probably not somethings used very often
[13:55] <bac> rick_h_: i understand how to configure jenkins-slave now.  i'm going to add one to our CI instance.
[13:55] <rick_h_> bac: rgr, sounds good
[14:02] <foobarbazqux> rick_h_: what do you use for volume control/display in awesomewm?
[14:02] <jcsackett> ...and who has been messing with my IRC configs...
[14:03] <rick_h_> jcsackett: no, I just launch pavu<tab>
[14:03] <rick_h_> and use that
[14:04] <jcsackett> rick_h_: pavu<tab>? you mean pavuk? b/c that's the only pavu command i see.
[14:04] <rick_h_> sec otp
[14:05] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ok, no hurray.
[14:05] <jcsackett> ...i cannot type this morning.
[14:05]  * jcsackett goes for more coffee
[14:22] <rick_h_> jcsackett: bah, I can't login to my home machine atm
[14:22] <rick_h_> jcsackett: I think it's pavucontrol
[14:22] <rick_h_> the pulse audio control thingy
[14:22] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ah, ok. thanks. i'll dig into that.
[14:43] <bac> rick_h_: you home now?
[14:50] <kadams54> Getting a "this party is over" message in Google Hangouts for the standup room.
[14:51] <hatch> jujugui call in 9
[14:52] <hatch> kadams54 working fine here - are you clicking the link in the calendar?
[14:52] <kadams54> tinyurl.com/jujugui
[14:52] <hatch> that's not the link :)
[14:53] <kadams54> Yeah, I know, but I'm having problems getting into my calendar via the web UI
[14:53] <kadams54> So all I have is what my desktop calendar app gives me
[14:54] <rick_h_> bac: home now
[14:54] <rick_h_> bac: what's up?
[14:56] <kadams54> hatch or rick_h_ : can you paste the real URL in IRC?
[14:56] <rick_h_> kadams54: will do
[14:56] <hatch> kadams54 odd google.com/calendar is up and fast for me
[14:56] <rick_h_> kadams54: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/daily-standup?authuser=1 watch the authuser based on your setup
[14:56] <kadams54> hatch: the problem is with my 2FA
[14:57] <hatch> oh, you hit it so many times it's probably out of synx
[14:57] <hatch> sync
[14:57] <kadams54> hatch: potentially, yeah, but I was hoping to fix it after standup
[14:58] <kadams54> rick_h_: still getting that message, but I suspect that's because I'm not logged into my canonical account right now. Could you invite my kadams54@gmail.com account?
[14:59] <rick_h_> kadams54: create a privte tab and login fresh in there with 2fa
[14:59] <rick_h_> kadams54: and then you can settle this out after the call
[14:59] <rick_h_> kadams54: at this point I normally have to log out of everything google related and resetup accounts
[15:00] <kadams54> rick_h_: yeah, I'm using a private tab, but I can't log into my canonical account at all. Can't get past the 2FA step.
[15:14] <hatch> kadams54 I 'think' 2fa gets out of sync if you hit it 3 times without logging in....I'm not sure how to fix beyond that 
[15:19] <rick_h_> bac: so if you crontab -e as the jenkins user you can see the backup job and the lander cron job listed there
[15:19] <bac> cool
[15:20] <rick_h_> hatch: did you need another set of eyes on kadams54's or huw's landing issues?
[15:21] <hatch> rick_h_ I should be ok - I'm going to leave kadams54 until he gets back
[15:21] <hatch> he said he has a solution 
[15:21] <rick_h_> hatch: ok let me know if you need a hand
[15:21]  * rick_h_ goes back to typing lots of words per minute
[15:23] <hatch> will do
[15:33] <hatch> rick_h_ shift+h hides the sidebar? That's a little too common of a key combo imho
[15:33] <rick_h_> oh, thought it was control h
[15:33] <rick_h_> maybe huw and I crossed wires on the first key
[15:34] <rick_h_> hatch: I'd suggest going with control-h
[15:34] <rick_h_> the thought was 'hide'
[15:34] <hatch> ohhh ok that would make more sense 
[15:34] <hatch> yeah it's definitely shift in his branch :)
[15:34] <bac> rick_h_: can you 'juju ssh trusty-slave/0' after switching to azure-ci? if so, could you 'ssh-import-id bac' on that machine? i thought just having the .jenv would allow me to ssh in but it does not.
[15:35] <rick_h_> bac: done
[15:35] <bac> ty
[15:36] <hatch> rick_h_ ctrl+h [15:36] <rick_h_> hatch: oh hmm, well that sucks
[15:36] <rick_h_> alt-h?
[15:37] <hatch> that prints a . up at the top of the line
[15:37] <hatch> so i'd be ok with that :)
[15:37] <hatch> works on your machine?
[15:37] <hatch> ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙
[15:37] <hatch> interesting....
[15:37] <hatch> :)
[15:37] <rick_h_> I don't know, I mean it's up to the browser. I'd be happy to QA it
[15:38] <rick_h_> I don't get the dots you do
[15:38] <hatch> oh ok, well I'd be happy to go with either ctrl or alt really...
[15:38] <hatch> i'd probably prefer ctrl+h 
[15:38] <hatch> ?
[15:39] <rick_h_> well, if it goes through to the browser I'm ok with
[15:39] <rick_h_> it
[15:39] <rick_h_> if not, (the keyboard/OS captures it first) then alt-h?
[15:39] <hatch> sure
[15:39] <rick_h_> can you just swap it out in yoru lcoal qa branch and give them a try?
[15:40] <hatch> I can
[15:40] <rick_h_> man, going from the laptop at the coffee shop to the kenisis is messing up my order of chars today
[15:45] <hatch> haha - my keyboard stopped working the other day
[15:45] <hatch> I'm going to need a new one
[15:45] <hatch> well, it started working again
[15:45] <hatch> but that means it's on the way out heh
[15:47] <rick_h_> hah, let me know if you need keyboard advise
[15:47] <rick_h_> or need me to send you one or three
[15:47] <rick_h_> make room in the closer for some more :)
[15:47] <hatch> ctrl+h works like a charm btw
[15:48] <rick_h_> hatch: cool, I'm +1 on that
[15:48] <hatch> unless they are in an input
[15:48] <rick_h_> which is fine imo
[15:48] <rick_h_> well, maybe...debating
[15:48] <rick_h_> but even alt-h will not work in an input field right?
[15:49] <hatch> right, just tested none of our keybindings work when the user is in an input
[15:49] <rick_h_> ok, then sounds like a plan
[15:49] <rick_h_> that's a bummer
[15:49] <hatch> yeah - maybe a slack task to get that fixed up
[15:52] <hatch> ok replied in kind to the pr
[15:55] <rick_h_> hatch: since you have the branch down is there anything else with it? Is it reasonable to just land the change?
[15:57] <hatch> rick_h_ well there is more work than just that change, changing everywhere that says Shift+h to Ctrl+h.....but it wouldn't be hard, just mechanical
[15:57] <hatch> would you prefer I do that instead?
[15:57] <hatch> s/instead//
[15:57] <rick_h_> hatch: ah up to you. If it's tiny and can move forward I'm +1 on it, but if it gets in your way never mind
[15:58] <hatch> it's ok I already have it pulled down so I can do it
[15:58] <hatch> huws other branch fails CI via failing tests so I'll leave that one up to him to fix
[15:59] <rick_h_> +1
[16:00] <hatch> why is it so hard to find the keynote streaming url
[16:00]  * rick_h_ goes to get food to prep for google fanboi keynote time
[16:00] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLJPvx7-ys
[16:00] <hatch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLJPvx7-ys
[16:00] <rick_h_> because you didn't ask :P
[16:00] <hatch> heh
[16:01] <hatch> :D
[16:01] <rogpeppe> hatch, or anyone else: would you be able to join a call for a moment to talk about browser cross-site restriction stuff?
[16:01] <rogpeppe> hatch: and decent workarounds
[16:01] <rick_h_> rogpeppe: sure, what do you need?
[16:01] <rogpeppe> rick_h_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/macaroons?authuser=1
[16:02] <rogpeppe> rick_h_: (or authuser=0)
[16:05] <hatch> oops sorry i stepped away, rick_h_  you got it?
[16:08] <hatch> blah I can't join anyways, I'm going to guess, yes :)
[16:08] <bac> man azure is not unslow
[16:10] <hatch> haha
[16:24] <jcsackett> Makyo: i've looked at your PR. only real question was "tests?" but there's a few more things on the PR.
[16:25] <Makyo> jcsackett, thanks; much of the code was already tested since it was just moved to new UX, but I'll see if there's more I can add around the edges.
[16:25] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, think got it
[16:25] <hatch> great thanks
[16:25] <jcsackett> Makyo: yeah, i'm just nervous about a whole new viewlet that has no apparent tests. :p
[16:25] <hatch> sry bout that
[16:25] <Makyo> jcsackett, sure, makes sense. 
[16:26] <Makyo> Tests could also use some reorganization to help that.
[16:28] <hatch> holy crap Material Design through Polymer
[16:38] <rick_h_> hah! antdillon's auto colored stuff is in googleio keynote
[16:38] <rick_h_> go antdillon 
[16:39] <hatch> haha
[16:53] <antdillon> rick_h_, I copyrighted that!
[16:54] <rick_h_> antdillon: hah
[17:04] <hatch> lol 55min commute....not bad 
[17:05] <Makyo> I used to have one of those.
[17:05] <Makyo> I don't know that I'd call it "not bad".
[17:06] <hatch> haha right? I laughed when he said that
[17:16] <hatch> boooo the motorola watch isn't available yet
[17:16] <rick_h_> 2/3 ain't bad
[17:17] <hatch> well I think the samsung one only works on samsung phones
[17:17] <hatch> at least that's what their old ones were
[17:17] <rick_h_> there's a few of them out there 
[17:29] <kadams54> hatch: FYI, I committed and pushed a fix for that card… waiting to see how the PR CI build goes before I try shipping it again. https://github.com/kadams54/juju-gui/commit/b8ce6093e8dc4318babbf63038fc52c002fdc9c7  <-- the fix
[17:31] <kadams54> rick_h_: where should I go to get my 2FA problems straightened out? The FAQ mentions the #isd and #is channels on IRC…
[17:31] <rick_h_> kadams54: yea, in the canonical irc channels
[17:32] <kadams54> Just #canonical, or should I join a specific channel?
[17:33] <hatch> kadams54 the canonical irc server
[17:33] <rick_h_> kadams54: yea, sec
[17:33] <rick_h_> kadams54: sent you a link in PM
[17:33] <kadams54> thanks
[17:59] <bac> rick_h_: on azure i'm getting a weird error about not being able to find download tools.  i think that is causing the relation hooks to not run.
[18:00] <bac> the error does not occur on ec2 with the same charm.
[18:00] <rick_h_> bac: hmm, maybe I need to do some juju upgrade fu on there?
[18:00] <rick_h_> I know people have gotten errors like that when there's streams issue
[18:00] <bac> jujugui: if we draw a relation does the gui wait for confirmation from the watcher before showing it?
[18:01] <bac> if the relation fails do we show the line?
[18:01] <bac> rick_h_: upgrading juju might not hurt
[18:07] <rick_h_> bac: otp but will look in a bit
[18:07] <bac> rt
[19:01] <rick_h_> bac: tried a juju upgrade-juju and it didn't do anything
[19:01] <bac> juju damn-juju
[19:02] <Makyo> juju kickstart
[19:02] <rick_h_> bac: then tried with --upload-tools and got the error https://pastebin.canonical.com/112448/
[19:02] <rick_h_> bac: so looking at where to go from here. 
[19:02] <bac> rick_h_: can you ssh in and upgrade via apt?
[19:03] <bac> i've never used upgrade-juju
[19:03] <rick_h_> bac: does that work? /me hasn't seen that
[19:03] <bac> rick_h_: why wouldn't it?
[19:03] <rick_h_> bac: no idea, I've never thought about it in that way
[19:03] <bac> oh, i just see it as another package.  hope it doesn't blow anything out from under juju
[19:04] <rick_h_> bac: so we'd have to add the ppa, because we want something later than precise right
[19:04] <rick_h_> bac: yea, I'm not sure how the tools/machine 0/db and such interact tbh
[19:04] <bac> rick_h_: any chance it is provider-specific?
[19:05] <bac> the issue, i mean
[19:05] <rick_h_> bac: I'm getting tempted to think CI is setup on an env that isn't shared correctly, on precise, on a 1.17 dev version of juju :/
[19:05] <rick_h_> bac: well I was thinking you could test by using the azure creds in the wiki, change the control bucket, and start a new env
[19:05] <rick_h_> bac: and verify if the charms work together in a newer clean juju env
[19:06] <bac> rick_h_: so recreate a new CI env on azure for testing and possible migration?
[19:06] <rick_h_> bac: maybe start with just seeing if it fixes the issue and removes azure as the issue
[19:06] <bac> sure
[19:06] <rick_h_> bac: since it's cheap to tear down 
[19:06] <bac> good plan
[19:06] <rick_h_> bac: and if there's no issue, then we plot out a migration to a proper shared env
[19:07] <bac> rt
[19:07] <rick_h_> doing things the right way vs the rick didn't know better way
[19:17] <bac> rick_h_: is storage-account-name the azure spelling for control-bucket?
[19:18] <rick_h_> bac: double checking, but think so
[19:19] <rick_h_> bac: yes
[19:21]  * rick_h_ goes for a walk around the block
[19:41] <bac> hey rick_h_ it looks like you can't just change those values for azure like you can the control bucket.  i think you have to go to their web site, login, enter a new value for storage-account-name and it'll spit out the new value for management-subscription-id
[19:46] <jcsackett> Makyo: i note you responded to my review but i haven't seen new commits. did you mean to push something, or is that still in progress?
[20:30]  * bac relocates
[20:54] <hatch> lazypower are you reviewing today?
[20:59] <Makyo> jcsackett, still in progress moving the tests around - sorry for the delay, was on other laptop :(
[21:12] <jcsackett> Makyo: cool beans. :)
[21:12] <hatch> jujugui anyone use google play music?
[22:27] <lazypower> hatch: its marco and jcastro - did you need something?
[22:27] <hatch> lazypower ahh, I just want my ghost charm approved for this weekend so I can work on a blog post :)
[22:27] <hatch> I have some time off coming up reeeeal soon
[22:27] <lazypower> hatch: did you see i replied on your bug?
[22:27] <lazypower> i'm kind of put off by the amount of banter on ghost not being served up over port 80
[22:28] <hatch> heh yeah I agree with you
[22:28] <lazypower> this is *basic* web stuff. if your charm says "This goes to port 8080" then fine. let it go to port 80. case closed. you deploy it behind haproxy or apache.
[22:28] <hatch> lets just get the darn stuff in the store then we can update it later imho
[22:28] <lazypower> s/port 80./port 8080./
[22:28] <lazypower> hatch: well thats the thing. everybody is gung ho about getting their stuff in the store *then* iterating
[22:29] <lazypower> you'll have the same issues with ~charmers being a bottleneck
[22:29] <lazypower> we gate *every commit* that will land in your charm.
[22:29] <lazypower> thats in the store
[22:29] <lazypower> so if we can get it HQ before it lands there, we're good to go. 
[22:29] <lazypower> now in terms of the ghost charm. I'll need to pull it, deploy it, evaluate it
[22:29] <lazypower> but the last time i looked at it you were scary close to having a solid review
[22:30] <lazypower> there were just some small things that were blocking it, and looking over the comment bantering, it appears you've fixed them
[22:30] <hatch> there has to be a better way to do this stuff 
[22:30] <hatch> like tbh I don't really care if it's ~charmers or not but I'd like an icon in the GUI :)
[22:30] <lazypower> have you pushed your charm to lp:~hatch/charms/trusty/ghost/trunk?
[22:30] <hatch> precuse 
[22:30] <hatch> precise
[22:30] <lazypower> ok, s/trusty/precise/
[22:31] <lazypower> then you're "in the store" - you're just not a recommended charm yet
[22:31] <hatch> right - and no icon
[22:31] <lazypower> there's a reason being a recommended charm is a pain in the butt. We want them to be *solid* charms.
[22:31] <hatch> and the user can't type `juju deploy ghost`
[22:31] <lazypower> i want to fire a bazooka at it
[22:31] <lazypower> and it better stand up
[22:31] <hatch> they have to do `juju deploy lp:~hatch/ghost`
[22:31] <hatch> er
[22:31] <hatch> lp:~hatch/previse/ghost
[22:31] <hatch> precise
[22:31] <hatch> bleh
[22:31] <hatch> lol
[23:00] <hatch> Ooo a huge spool of fiber is sitting on the street
[23:00] <hatch> looks like someone might be getting real fast internet soon
[23:01] <hatch> <---- this guy
[23:04] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:09] <hatch> hey huwshimi 
[23:09] <huwshimi> hatch: Hey
[23:09] <hatch> I left a few too many comments on your hotkey branch :)
[23:10] <hatch> I should learn to finish a thought before hitting 'send' :)
[23:15] <huwshimi> hatch: hehe, thansk
[23:15] <huwshimi> *thanks
[23:15] <huwshimi> hatch: ctrl+h also opens history in chrome
[23:15] <hatch> oh....hmm
[23:15] <hatch> well then....
[23:16] <hatch> what about alt h?
[23:17] <huwshimi> hatch: opens help in firefox
[23:17] <hatch> lol
[23:18] <hatch> for $130/mo I can get 260Mbps down and 30Mbps up.... not bad....
[23:18] <rick_h_> hatch: I'm a play music guy. It's replaced everything else for me
[23:18] <hatch> I'll still probably stickwith the $40/mo option :)
[23:19] <hatch> rick_h_ do you use streaming or still buy songs?
[23:19] <hatch> I'm trying to find a way to share my library with my wife, doesn't look like it's possible
[23:19] <rick_h_> hatch: so I uploaded all my stuff and then I just stream. I can add almost any album without buying it
[23:19] <rick_h_> hatch: ah yea, have to get her the google lib
[23:19] <rick_h_> hatch: I might try the amz one. I wanted to try it out as I can share my prime subscription with her
[23:19] <rick_h_> and the music service is tied to prime
[23:20] <rick_h_> I wonder if I upload/etc she also can see get access to it
[23:20] <rick_h_> but it's a much smaller set of songs
[23:20] <hatch> I installed an app on my synology nas which seems to be working, but buying songs from play then adding them to the nas is kinda of a pita
[23:20] <rick_h_> yea
[23:20] <rick_h_> why I just go with play
[23:20] <rick_h_> just pay my $7 and get everything I want
[23:20] <hatch> heh it's $10 in Canada :)
[23:20] <rick_h_> I do have it hooked up to my tablet so my wife can use it there
[23:21] <rick_h_> yea, I think it went to $10 after a $7 trial early adopter thing
[23:21] <hatch> ohhh
[23:21] <hatch> I think I still prefer to own the music, then I have music when offline
[23:21] <hatch> :)
[23:21] <rick_h_> well you can pin and have it offline
[23:21] <hatch> even streaming songs?
[23:21] <rick_h_> I do that with all the kids albums so that I can have them for the boy when we lose connectivity/camping
[23:21] <rick_h_> yep
[23:22] <hatch> ahh that's cool, didn't know that
[23:22] <rick_h_> yea, it works pretty seemlessly across your stuff and cloud stuff
[23:23] <hatch> the real question is....do I spend $120/yr buying music to make streaming worth while...
[23:24] <rick_h_> yea, I use it a ton because we'll take the boy to see a movie, then get the album on the way to the car to listen to on the way home/etc
[23:24] <rick_h_> it's more the convienence
[23:24] <rick_h_> and with chromecasts able to send it from my phone to any tv in the house it's a bonus
[23:25] <hatch> ahh
[23:26] <hatch> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.synology.DSaudio&hl=en
[23:26] <hatch> works really well
[23:27] <rick_h_> cool
[23:27] <hatch> could use some UX improvements
[23:27] <hatch> like figuring out how to set up the accounts sucked
[23:28] <hatch> but other than that it streams well, and you can download to the device 
[23:28] <rick_h_> woot http://jrwren.wrenfam.com/blog/2014/06/25/leaving-a-great-job-for-a-great-job/
[23:28] <rick_h_> bac: around?
[23:29] <hatch> OOoooo
[23:29] <hatch> Who's he?
[23:29] <hatch> oh
[23:29] <hatch> I know
[23:29] <hatch> lol
[23:29] <rick_h_> that's Jay, the local guy I know that's starting Monday :)
[23:29] <rick_h_> getting exicted to start bringing in the new folks
[23:29] <rick_h_> and that's all I'll say here for now :)
[23:29] <hatch> haha - I'll try and pop online on Monday to join the call
[23:30] <hatch> as long as there aren't too many tweens streaming selfies from the lake I should have enough bandwidth
[23:30] <hatch> lol
[23:30] <rick_h_> lol
[23:30] <hatch> there is only one tower up there
[23:31] <hatch> so its fast but bandwidth is limited
[23:31] <rick_h_> gotcha, audio only time
[23:31] <hatch> unless i get lucky and they haven't gotten up yet haha
[23:32] <hatch> huwshimi so what shortcut do we want to use?
[23:32] <huwshimi> hatch: How about we just do it on any keypress
[23:32] <hatch> lol
[23:33] <hatch> every keypress hides and shows it
[23:33] <hatch> so it's like a rave
[23:33] <hatch> a sidebar rave
[23:33] <rick_h_> what's wrong witht he ctrl-h?
[23:33] <hatch> that shows the history 
[23:33] <hatch> I guess
[23:33] <rick_h_> oh
[23:33] <rick_h_> and alt-h?
[23:34] <hatch> opens help in ff
[23:34] <hatch> haha
[23:34] <rick_h_> wtf
[23:34] <hatch> we can't catch a break
[23:34] <rick_h_> ctl-alt-shift-meta-h
[23:34] <rick_h_> there done!
[23:34] <hatch> I wonder if our hotkey system supports multiple modifiers
[23:34] <hatch> lol
[23:35] <hatch> it does 
[23:35] <huwshimi> yeah, it does
[23:35] <hatch> huwshimi what about ctrl+alt+h ?
[23:35] <rick_h_> ok, new plan
[23:35] <hatch> doesn't do anything here on osx
[23:35] <rick_h_> under help and feedback we add a row with a small _ link
[23:35] <rick_h_> and that link does the show/hide
[23:35] <rick_h_> and forget keyboard shortcuts
[23:36] <hatch> hmm that's an interesting idea
[23:36] <hatch> buuuuut
[23:36] <hatch> maybe hiding the sidebar will be a useful functionality
[23:36] <rick_h_> I'm buzzed on wine from dinner
[23:36] <rick_h_> so now's a good time to get them
[23:36] <rick_h_> fine, then make it a full link "toggle sidebar"
[23:36] <hatch> haha, keep throwin em out and we'll see what sticks
[23:37] <hatch> well the ctrl+alt+h I think should work
[23:37] <hatch> and we have one other shortcut with 2 modifiers
[23:37] <rick_h_> ok, you're worried that _ will be too useful...but you're willing to do ctrl-alt-h?
[23:37] <hatch> lol I mean it'll be hard to switch between if people want to do that
[23:38]  * hatch bets we'll be adding in a handle to the sidebar again in no time
[23:38] <hatch> lol
[23:38] <rick_h_> huwshimi: we trust your judgement to come up with something that works and doesn't suck and want to allow thinking outside of the keyboard box
[23:38] <rick_h_> hatch: shush
[23:38] <rick_h_> no one...well except huw...asked you :P
[23:38] <hatch> haha
[23:39] <rick_h_> hmm, I think we chased huw away
[23:39] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I'm thinking ctrl+alt+h
[23:39] <rick_h_> huwshimi: ok, then cool to me
[23:39] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I think it's not something we want to accidentally press and not know how to get back
[23:40] <rick_h_> huwshimi: yea, that's why I liked the move to a real link
[23:40] <rick_h_> huwshimi: but I'm cool either way
[23:40] <hatch> cool as a cucumber 
[23:40] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I could land with ctrl+alt+h and then send an email and make it ux's problem :)
[23:40] <hatch> http://www.airconco.com/images/cucumber1.jpg
[23:41] <rick_h_> huwshimi: naw, they've got their hands full without this one
[23:41] <rick_h_> and the only people asking for it are ecosystem and they can ctrl-alt-h just peachy
[23:41] <huwshimi> ok
[23:41] <rick_h_> so let's go keyboard and land it and wait for a follow up bug report later on :)
[23:41] <huwshimi> haha ok
[23:51] <hatch> so the question is....do I buy one of the smart watches currently available or wait until the motorola one comes out?
[23:51] <rick_h_> hatch: I'll be bringing the LG one to london
[23:52] <hatch> heh you ordered it already?
[23:52] <rick_h_> yea, figured wtf I want to try it out and see how it goes
[23:52] <rick_h_> and I'll try it out around london for directions/dinners/etc
[23:53] <hatch> yeah that'll be cool the samsung one has more sensors
[23:53] <hatch> but I like the lg's look better
[23:53] <rick_h_> yea, but the display is said to be not as good and LG looks nicer, and I hate samsung
[23:53] <hatch> oh wait a second....it only has a heart monitor
[23:53] <hatch> don't care bout that
[23:53] <rick_h_> right
[23:53] <hatch> as long as it's pumping I'll know
[23:53] <hatch> lol
[23:54] <hatch> what colour did you get?
[23:54] <rick_h_> black, I'm plain
[23:56] <hatch> ok I bought a white one....don't tell my wife
[23:56] <hatch> it's a little too easy to buy things with google wallet
[23:56] <hatch> sorry, make that way to easy
[23:56] <rick_h_> lol
[23:57] <hatch> it ships on the 3rd, so should arrive before London
[23:58] <huwshimi> Hmm... windowNode.simulate('keydown', { keyCode: 104, key. shiftKey: true, altKey: true }); should work with multiple modifiers right?
[23:59] <hatch> yep
[23:59] <hatch> you have a typo though
[23:59] <hatch> an extra space 
[23:59] <hatch> between key. shiftKey
[23:59] <rick_h_> yea, wha'ts that key.?