=== thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars [07:32] I found a bug with the touchpad disable hotkeys, they only work if Sys config -> Input Devices -> Touchpad -> Enable/Disable Touchpad is open, if that is closed the shortcut no longer works. [07:33] To what application/package do I address this bug? [07:46] lordievader: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Touchpad%20KCM&format=guided [07:47] apachelogger: Thank you :) [08:51] apachelogger: http://imgur.com/KiuBS9K [08:52] in muon discover [08:58] and go and test utopic alpha 1 === Haudegen_ is now known as Haudegen [09:15] WARNING: This image is OVERSIZED. This should never happen during milestone testing. [09:15] :( [09:29] hi guys! i posted this question yesterday already and also posted it on launchpad. i am running kubuntu 14.04 and have additionally added kde project neon via the ppas. is there a way to use the application settings from my apps in kubuntu 14.04 also in kde project neon? like the channels in quassel or the email accounts. what folder do i have to copy for this? [09:31] that's mostly the xdg folders like .config or .local/share, see what the XDG_* environment variables are set to for the places neon5 looks [09:31] quassel is in .config, email should be controlled by akonadi which is too [09:32] hm where can i check the xdg environment variables for neon5? [09:33] when you run neon5, just open konsole and run 'env' [09:33] it will most likely be /home/shadeslayer/.project-neon5-kde/something [09:33] mcstr_: they are set by some environment.rc file in /opt/project-neon5/share/project-neon5 IIRC (paths and names might not be entirely correct here) [09:33] indeed i have it in /home/macstar/.project-neon5-kde [09:34] in this i have a-.config folder.... [09:34] can i try to overwrite this config folder with the config folder i have in my home directory? [09:34] backing up first ofc [09:34] yes [09:34] I think if you just copy it over, it should be fine [09:34] yep folder structur inside looks the same [09:35] gonna try thx [09:41] what the heck is back http://imgur.com/X5wBZGf [09:42] no luck here [09:42] env output looks like this http://goo.gl/6RqjVr [09:43] shit [09:43] i think i am to blame [09:43] its config not .config in the project neon folder [09:43] :/ [09:43] XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/opt/project-neon5/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg/xdg-project-neon5:/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg [09:43] wat [09:44] aha [09:44] brb [09:44] mcstr_: you're right [09:45] shadeslayer: What does that back do? Go back to the BIOS? /me is getting curious [09:47] lordievader: http://imgur.com/S0aTfUr [09:48] Pff, lovely. [09:49] yep that was it [09:49] thanks a lot guys [09:50] and wow it feels fast :O [09:55] last thing i need to have working is the akonadi server..... its not running therefore i cant use kmail/kontact... [09:56] you can't use akonadi on frameworks yet [09:56] IDK why [09:56] oh okay [09:56] but it simply doesn't work [09:56] no worries [09:56] as long as it works in the final im happy :p [09:56] everything else looks damn impressive by now [10:09] shadeslayer: it's a bug [10:10] also technically that would in fact attempt to go back if that was a submenu [10:10] alas, it is not, so I doubt that should be there xD [10:10] apachelogger: yep, new syslinux and what not [10:10] no OEM menu too [10:10] all reported [10:10] installer crashes with non english lang :( [10:11] 1334199 [10:11] er [10:11] bug 1334199 [10:11] bug 1334199 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-kde fails to install Kubuntu in Spanish" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334199 [10:11] don't find no branch on lunchpad for the new thing for whatever reason [10:11] they are hiding it from me [10:13] new thing? [10:13] the Qt5 installer? [10:14] apachelogger: do you reckon 1334199 is a blocker for Alpha 1 ? [10:15] shadeslayer: the new sylinux [10:15] since you can install in english I don't think that's much blocky [10:16] kk [10:16] * shadeslayer lazily looks at firefox [10:38] agateau: ping [10:38] agateau: I thought this was fixed http://imgur.com/Iy5735j [10:38] the quit button [10:55] Riddell: wat http://launchpadlibrarian.net/134020427/ubiquity_2.13.14_2.13.15.diff.gz === soee_ is now known as soee [11:05] :O [11:05] wat [11:05] https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/kde4libs [11:06] that's pretty neat [11:06] I can also do http://pad.lv/d/kde4libs now :3 [11:06] agateau: mind poking https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-broken-sidebar-layout-on-greeter/+merge/216365 [11:07] shadeslayer: what do you mean with "poking"? [11:07] shall I ping Riddell about it? [11:07] just did it :) [11:08] heh [11:08] agateau: well more like, maybe not use the hack [11:09] shadeslayer: i don't think this hack is critical [11:09] * Riddell is travelling today [11:10] ok [11:10] Riddell: coming via car? [11:10] or Flight? [11:10] and I thought you were arriving tomorrow [11:10] por avión [11:11] 10 a las noches [11:11] aha [11:12] Riddell: cya tomorrow :) [11:12] Riddell: where are you staying though? [11:14] shadeslayer: dunno, I was hoping someone would be in the office this evening to let me in [11:15] d_ed said he would be I think [11:15] ok, if required, I can be there too [11:29] hello world [11:30] Riddell: where can I find a list of what I have to do to apply for membership? [11:30] ovidiu-florin: http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Membership [11:31] Riddell: The Kubuntu Romania site is also down [11:31] any news on that subscription? === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [11:37] ovidiu-florin: not had a chance yet sorry :( [11:38] so you said you're moving? [11:38] why ? [11:40] I like messing up the geopolitics of europe, scotland is a done deal, time to have fun with the catalunians [11:41] lol [11:55] :) [12:37] 'Morning folks [12:37] "Rohan Garg (rohangarg) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay shadeslayer still loves us! [12:38] hi BluesKaj [12:39] hi soee [12:43] Riddell: I'll be in the office tonight [12:43] Riddell: what are your sleeping arrangements? [12:43] Riddell: are you out here forever? [12:48] d_ed: yep [12:48] no arrangements yet, I'm hoping some kind person will offer me a sofa [12:51] or the office has plenty of space and a hose in it [13:17] hi mustafa_muhammad [13:19] Hello Jonathan [13:20] mustafa_muhammad: running Kubuntu in Iraq? [13:20] Yup, distro-hopping in Iraq [13:20] Testing neon5 and plasma 5 now [13:21] neon5 running fine(except some crashes, reported) [13:22] but Kubuntu Utopic couldn't login from the kubuntu-next ppa [13:35] When I login, I get "Could not start D-Bus, can you call qdbus?" [13:35] that is the problem I have, I am looking into it [13:36] lightdm seems to be the fail point [13:36] So, try sddm? [13:36] I'll give it a shot [13:36] I just packaged it, have not yet tested [13:38] doesn't sound like a sddm/lightdm problem [13:38] more like a qtchooser issue [13:38] is qdbus-qt5 installed? ^^ [13:39] yeah it was [13:42] qt5-default as well [13:53] anyone want to test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/317/builds/70677/testcases/1301/results [13:55] I will here in a bit [13:55] apachelogger: qt5-default was not installed, now I installed it and logged in, no problems anymore [13:56] thanks [13:56] * sgclark adds to depends [13:57] sgclark: try installing qt5-default, worked for me [13:57] will do thank you [14:12] sgclark: please don't add qt5-default to runtime depends [14:12] because qdbus is supposed to be a drop in replacement [14:12] hey, so sddm is now wvailable for 14.10 ? [14:12] so you can install the Qt4 version as well [14:12] soee_: not yet [14:13] I don't see us switching to it in 14.10 tbh [14:13] because at the very least ubiquity will break [14:13] or rather, ubiquity-dm [14:13] shadeslayer: it wont be available even as 'unoffical' option [14:13] soee_: dunno, maybe [14:13] ok, thank you [14:13] no plans for it yet [14:13] maybe just for plasma 5 [14:15] shadeslayer: it would have to be there for plasma5 as its considered part of the workspace experience [14:16] which is why I told Quintasan to hurry it along like 70000 weeks ago :@ [14:16] plasma-desktop will not start without it, therefore broken, how am I to resolve tht? [14:18] I packages sddm, it is in next utopic [14:18] packaged* [14:19] apachelogger: is it? [14:19] I don't think so [14:19] but anyway [14:19] breaks ubiquity-dm [14:20] shadeslayer: I am not sure it does, it probably will need to be noop when ubiquity is supposed to start [14:20] yes, noop = broken for me :P [14:20] loss of features etc [14:20] what? [14:20] if you start livesession [14:21] the sddm upstart/sytemd unit shouldn't do no nothing [14:21] so that ubiquity can fire up lightdm with ubiquity greeter [14:21] shadeslayer: with that said, leaving off qt5-default as depend leaves a system that cannot be logged into which I see as a grand form of broken [14:21] when started after install sddm will do its magic [14:21] sgclark: no, qt5-default is the wrong depend [14:21] you should depend on qdbus [14:21] not qt5-default [14:22] actually [14:22] something needs to depend on qtchooser [14:22] which is qhere qt5-default comes in :P [14:22] I had qdbus, still broken [14:22] question is why qmake doesn't [14:23] ah [14:23] qt5-default and viola I have a desktop and I am very happy now [14:23] sgclark: are you sure qt5-qdbus was installed? [14:23] qmake is blacklisted I think [14:23] sgclark: the actual package qt5-qdbus [14:24] or actually, please paste your /var/log/dpkg.log [14:24] apachelogger: well, it shouldn't really matter, this is the whole QT_SELECT=4/5 fiasco [14:24] because qt5-default would simply have dragged in what was missing, it wasn't the actually missing bit as it is an empty package [14:24] in startkde [14:24] apachelogger: I cannot even get into that system. grub seems to have vanished and cannot get to rescue even [14:24] shadeslayer: no, because it would default to qmake5 in this scenario [14:25] the only way you get a defunct qmake with qt5 installed is if the actual binary is not there === toscalix_ is now known as toscalix [14:25] sgclark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery [14:25] http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd [14:26] apachelogger: actually, I have both qmake qt4/5 installed, it defaults to 4 [14:26] sgclark: actually you could just livecd, mount whatever partition contains /var and paste me the log :P [14:26] ^^ [14:26] shadeslayer: only if you misconfigured it [14:26] nope [14:26] I merely installed both [14:26] readlink /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qtchooser/default.conf [14:26] ../../../share/qtchooser/qt5-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf [14:27] I have no /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qtchooser/default.conf [14:27] because I have no default package [14:27] oh, that's from qt5-default [14:27] yep [14:27] you know what [14:28] let's sneakily remove qtchooser :P [14:28] shadeslayer: oh perhaps that is why only some systems had a problem with qmake4 vs. 5 [14:29] that's funny though, it defaults to qmake4, unless you have qt5-default, unless you have it configured... it still won't work though unless you have the correct package for your architecture [14:30] it's much better than having to rename the binary to qmake5 xD [14:30] :p [14:30] shadeslayer: it appears you are right, unless qt5-default is installed it will default to qmake4 [14:31] so it is the inverse issue of the previous issue \o/ [14:33] wait that's weird as well [14:33] sgclark: I think qtchooser will need fixing for this [14:37] the problem is... in plasma current when using qdbus with qt5-default installed it would have used qdbus-qt5 which might not have been installed; this kind of made sense even considering it is still a bug with qtchooser having insufficient lookup logic... now with plasma next OTOH you cannot ever hope to use qdbus5 unless qt5-default is installed (which is a dev package of sorts) as it will always attempt to start qmake4 which is never [14:37] there [14:38] ahh [14:38] sgclark: mind reverting your commit then? [14:38] actually my analysis was still not correct, if you have both qtcore4 and qtcore5 installed you cannot use qdbus5 unless you have qt5-default installed [14:39] you can [14:39] anyone ordered a turd? [14:39] but that breaks it, gosh I am lost [14:39] QT_SELECT=5 qdbus [14:39] yeah [14:39] voila, it'll wor [14:39] *work [14:39] the point of qtchooser somewhat was to not having to do that [14:39] so the fact that you need to do it anyway defeats the point [14:41] funnily, half of neon depends on qdbus [14:41] which is the qt4 package [14:41] no [14:41] shadeslayer: u talking about neon4? [14:41] 5 [14:41] neon5 has its own qt [14:41] straight qt build doesn't have qtchooser [14:42] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pfqiulxvm [14:42] ah [14:42] that is peculiar [14:43] sgclark: it was broken because qtchooser is broken, however qt5-default forces Qt5 as the default everywhere [14:43] qt5-default just papers over the issue [14:44] it doesn't actually solve it ( or maybe it partially does, by pulling in qdbus-qt5 ) [14:44] shadeslayer: that's through weird dep chain though, there is no direct dep on qdbus [14:44] apachelogger: yaeh I guessed as much [14:45] shadeslayer: run -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true plz [14:46] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7700753/ [14:46] Broken project-neon5-qtcurve:amd64 Depends on libkio5 [ amd64 ] < 4:4.13.2a-0ubuntu0.1 > ( libs ) (>= 4:4.3.4) [14:46] all ur fault [14:47] Broken project-neon5-kauth:amd64 Depends on libpolkit-qt-1-1 [ amd64 ] < 0.103.0-1ubuntu1 > ( libs ) (>= 0.99.0) [14:47] that looks wrong though [14:47] quite wrong [14:47] qtcurve I also don't get much [14:47] I know why [14:48] we're buiding with kdelibs5-dev [14:48] shadeslayer: sgclark: soee_: it's a bug in software if qt5-defaults / qt4-defaults changes anything. Especially for ubiquity. [14:48] I reverted my change, is there a way to set QT_SELECT=5 qdbus on install ? so it is not broken out of the box? [14:49] shadeslayer: sgclark: soee_: which we can trivially fix by being explicit about qt version if we have to in ubiquity. [14:49] which would be my preference. [14:49] sgclark: again, wrong way to approach the solution [14:50] I'd do it in startkde [14:50] like we currently do it for KDE SC [14:53] well off topic a bit, while I can login in now, it still is not working, everything is black [14:55] apachelogger: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-next [14:55] plz review [14:55] ScottK: ^^ bullet points for easier understanding of deliverables [15:03] I read the bullet points [15:03] they were bullety [15:04] shadeslayer, sgclark: xnox: this needs fixing in qtchooser, it's undesirable to patch every invocation of qdbus to explicitly select a version [15:05] true enough [15:05] if everything in that document reads fine to you guys, I'll send it tomorrow morning [15:15] sgclark: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/view/head:/debian/control < all them themes are bunched together :( [15:16] sgclark: plus you install no pam files [15:16] or init files [15:21] apachelogger: isn't https://trello.com/c/JH9j9mH5 done? [15:21] override_dh_shlibdeps: [15:21] $(overridden_command) -- -xbaloo -xkde-runtime -xkdepim-runtime [15:21] from baloo debian/rules [15:27] shadeslayer: ok split out themes? did not see any of these pam or init files you speak of, will take a look a bit later [15:28] sgclark: well, the pam files shipped with sddm are kaput for Ubuntu [15:28] sgclark: did you even check if your sddm package worked? [15:28] I can't imagine it working :P [15:28] shadeslayer: I stated that no it has not been tested. [15:29] hm, it only says that it needs review, I thought you had it working [15:29] All I see is blotchy black on the machine I am trying to set up to test this stuff, not a good day. before that all the dbus stuff [15:30] sorry I was not clear, defined etc. [15:32] shadeslayer: this package did not create a debian/tmp (why I did not create install files) what did I miss? [15:35] sgclark: debhelper does not create debian/tmp for control files with just one package [15:36] ah ha, ok so will when I split themes, thanks [15:40] sgclark: please use my branch as a base [15:40] if you're working on SDDM [15:41] you can have it back sorry, did not realize you were working on it [15:41] sort of, I was thinking of doing it tomorrow [15:41] sanitizing the packaging [15:41] and having something shippable [15:41] but if you have time, go for it [15:57] shadeslayer: well at this point I need a working test system, which so far is not going well [16:02] shadeslayer: notes look fine === Guest57253 is now known as haudegen [17:22] hi there [17:22] can i report a packaging bug here, please ? [17:22] ShalokShalom: preferably file a bug with apport / on launchpad, but what's up? [17:46] yofel: mpd is a GUI for mpd and mpd isnt a dependency for cantata [17:47] yofel: mpd is a GUI for cantata and mpd isnt a dependency for cantata [17:53] yofel: cantana dont work without mpd and mpd isnt a dependency from cantana. (my english is horrible) [17:57] ShalokShalom: sorry was away. I'm not really familiar with mpd, and the new version in utopic-proposed does at least suggest mpd so maybe that's enough (I usually trust debian to know what they're doing) [17:57] its not enough [17:57] i already check this with the help from BluesKaj [17:58] Cantata is a GUI for mpd [17:58] try it ;) [18:00] hm, true, this is useless.. [18:04] ShalokShalom: well, I can see that it might want to at least recommend it, but considering that you might have mpd running on another pc suggests isn't too wrong [18:05] if you already have mpd running somewhere, starting another instance on your system is probably not what you want [18:07] ShalokShalom: yeah, that was already discussed in debian bug 740299 [18:07] Debian bug 740299 in cantata "Cantata: consider mpd as a dependency or a recommendation of cantata." [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/740299 [18:16] yofel: Why "or a recommendation and why [Normal] ? [18:16] Its breaks the whole App ? [18:16] not if it's running somewhere else [18:16] For each end user [18:16] How many people aim to use it as a music client on the desktop ? [18:17] And how should one of these end user know, why cantana dont work ? [18:18] it may be a case for diverging from upstream, maybe [18:19] when I started cantata, on the second configuration screen it asked me to connect to mpd. I would expect that someone that wants to use an mpd client might wonder where mpd is if cantata can't connect to it [18:19] it is true that our package in trusty does not suggest mpd, so that might be worth fixing [18:20] ok, can you suggest this ? [18:22] I'll file a bug about it, maybe I'll have some time over the weekend to fill out the SRU paperwork [18:33] yofel: thanks a lot :) [19:21] anybody know how to upload GTK app tar ball onto ubuntu? it's for gnome or kde. [19:21] It's graphical interface not shell, thanks in advance. [19:23] I want to distribute the application and make it accessable for ubuntu users to download as an open source project === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: 14.10 Alpha 1 Candidate Images Available - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/317/builds - Test, test, test!!! | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also) [20:25] hmm, no upgrades in the 14.10 repos today...is there a freeze on? [20:26] anyway time to give this a rest .. [20:28] yep