[02:55] <Harris_He> Why I access lubuntu 14.04 via VNC without the desktop? add "lxsession" in the .xstartup ?
[02:55] <Harris_He> I use xrdp but also failde
[02:55] <Harris_He> failed
[06:55] <murdock76> hi i'm back!
[06:55] <murdock76> just wanted to thank the room.  i have lubuntu on my eeepc which i am on now.
[06:55] <murdock76> i even got the wifi to work. :D
[13:06] <markosejic> good day
[14:00] <phillw> anyone testing the desktop ISO's for the alpha1 14.10?
[14:03] <sydney> phillw: I havent et;from what i hear tough,it is very unstable,and may not even boot at all. ;)
[14:04] <sydney> yet*
[14:04] <sydney> though*
[14:04] <phillw> sydney: you've heard wrong :P
[14:04] <phillw> you are possibly think Qt, which is not going to arrive in 14.10 :)
[14:05] <sydney> phillw: Great for you. :P
[14:05] <sydney> Im out of here...
[14:52] <phillw> Unit193: I'll do the amd64 desktop tests, if you will finish off the i386 ones? :)
[17:30] <shuman> hmm.. Ok, I have to ask... is installing wine in lubuntu safe? :) there are many apps on the "To remove" list... such as lubuntu-desktop, udev, xorg any many others...
[17:31] <holstein> shuman: shouldnt be..
[17:31] <holstein> try.. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:31] <holstein> if no errors.. then, sudo apt-get install wine
[17:32] <shuman> ok, dist-upgrade showed a long list to update so hope this fix this issue with wine ;)
[17:32] <shuman> thank you
[17:32] <Unit193>  > xorg
[17:32] <shuman> if not, I'll let you know ;)
[19:13] <shuman> holstein: thanks again, dist-upgrade helped ;)
[19:23] <holstein> shuman: cheers
[21:55] <netg00r00> Hey guys...   is there a reason Lubuntu 14.04 LTS is only supported for 3 years instead of 5 like the other LTS releases?
[21:56] <holstein> netg00r00: most of the flavors are like that.. all, AFAIK
[21:57] <netg00r00> most of the flvors are like what exactly?
[21:57] <holstein> netg00r00: i know, ubuntustuduio decide 3 years, because we use xfce as xubuntu, and xubuntu does 3 years, so we can take advantage of their support for xfce, and not have to do our own support at the end
[21:57] <holstein> netg00r00: mosts of the flavors are like that, that being what you are stating.. that = supported for 3 years.. not 5
[21:58] <holstein> netg00r00: i know, lubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntustudio are..
[21:58] <holstein> and i can say exactly why ubuntustudio is..
[21:58] <netg00r00> ok..
[21:58] <holstein> i can speculate what lubuntu is,..
[21:58] <netg00r00> I'm seriously looking to change over to something NOT unity based and just wanted to get some feedback on that..
[21:58] <holstein> team size, and man power.. this is actually the first lubuntu LTS. they are using only 6 months.. period.. 12.04 lubuntu was only 6 months.. not LTS
[21:59] <netg00r00> I know Mint is also supported for 5 years.. so, was just wondering..
[21:59] <holstein> netg00r00: the main core os is still ubuntu, and that is supported for 5 years
[21:59] <holstein> netg00r00: what does support mean?
[21:59] <netg00r00> gotcha.
[21:59] <holstein> netg00r00: its ubuntu core apps support.. the repos are up. kernel patches.. security fixes.. etc
[21:59] <holstein> *then* there are flavor specifics
[22:00] <holstein> if there were a specific issue with lubuntu 4 years from now, the team would say, "we dont support".. but, lxde is still getting security fixes from upstream
[22:00] <netg00r00> makes sense...
[22:00] <holstein> lxde and all ubuntu official repo applications
[22:00] <holstein> now.. whats the difference in lxde and lubuntu?.. thats different
[22:00] <netg00r00> I can tell ya that..
[22:01] <holstein> but, if you were to install ubuntu, and then install lxde, you are supported for 5 years.. lts
[22:01] <netg00r00> one is only the desktop enviroment.. and one is a full ditro..  ;)
[22:01] <holstein> if you install lubuntu, you only get lubuntu specific tailored fixes and bugs addressed for 3
[22:02] <netg00r00> I hear what you are saying about installing Ubunt first..  which is what I have now..  but, I prefer to have a clean install instead of a base install and a bunch of other desktops on top of that install..
[22:02] <holstein> !mini
[22:02] <holstein> or, you could use the server iso..
[22:03] <netg00r00> at this point, I'm not really interested in supporting Ubuntu base any longer...
[22:03] <netg00r00> just how I feel about it..  but, I appreciate the help
[22:03] <holstein> netg00r00: they are *all* ubuntu
[22:04] <netg00r00> I understand that,.  but they are not all based on Unity..
[22:04] <holstein> netg00r00: the mini iso is just that. literally 30mb's, give or take. its not the main ubuntu flavor
[22:04] <holstein> its literally a minimal clean install base that you can add what you like, and not get a bunch of other desktops on top of that install, as you stated
[22:05] <netg00r00> ok, I appreciate the clarification holstein  I'm still looing around a bit before I decide for sure..
[22:05] <netg00r00> Thanks
[22:06] <holstein> netg00r00: run lubuntu and whatever other ubuntu variants live to help decide
[22:06] <netg00r00> yea, I plan to
[22:06] <netg00r00> :)