| RAOF | robert_ancell: XMir? | 02:34 |
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| robert_ancell | RAOF how goes the rootless XMir? | 02:47 |
| RAOF | It remains on the back burner until I give you various GTK bits. | 02:48 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, anything Xorg side that needs fixing or is it mostly in Mir? | 02:48 |
| robert_ancell | and Unity 8 | 02:49 |
| RAOF | But the X server itself is mostly working. | 02:51 |
| RAOF | The awkwardness will come, as always, when window management is expected to work :) | 02:51 |
| RAOF | desrt: Thank you again for complaining about the awkwardness of eventloop integration. This will make XMir & plymouth much more pleasant :) | 02:51 |
| RAOF | The Xorg side needs a little clean up, but not much. It's mostly in Mir (and then Unity 8) | 02:52 |
| RAOF | Oh. We _will_ need an X11 window manager to proxy stuff to Mir, if you felt like doing that bit :) | 02:52 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, sure, why not | 02:55 |
| robert_ancell | what's the plan there? | 02:55 |
| RAOF | A loadable module in the Mir tree that uses http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libxcwm/ (or something like it). | 02:56 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, will XMir be built into Mir? | 02:59 |
| RAOF | No. | 02:59 |
| robert_ancell | Why would the X window manager be in Mir then? | 03:00 |
| RAOF | Because nothing outside Mir knows about window management? | 03:00 |
| robert_ancell | Unity? | 03:00 |
| RAOF | The idea is to make XMir windows look like Mir surfaces as far as the shell is concerned. | 03:00 |
| RAOF | Ah, _that's_ the question. | 03:00 |
| RAOF | Right, it could be in Unity, but X11 integration is something that lots of shells are going to care about, so it's ideally in Mir itself. | 03:01 |
| robert_ancell | So it will be a core feature of Mir, i.e. "Mir supports clients using the Mir or X11 protocols" | 03:02 |
| RAOF | *: With external tools | 03:02 |
| RAOF | But, yeah. | 03:02 |
| robert_ancell | And will the X server launching be done my Mir too? | 03:02 |
| robert_ancell | by Mir | 03:02 |
| RAOF | The idea discussed with tedg was to have ubuntu-app-launch spawn an XMir server, have XMir connect to Mir and request a wm from Mir. | 03:03 |
| desrt | RAOF: :) | 03:03 |
| * RAOF wanted to do X server launching by Mir, but this also works. | 03:03 | |
| robert_ancell | How does ubuntu-app-launch know it needs one? I assumed we'd have some sort of default DISPLAY socket that would spawn off a new server on each connect | 03:04 |
| RAOF | We assume that anything in /usr/share/applications needs an X server, and anything click-packaged can opt-in for an X server. | 03:04 |
| robert_ancell | That's fairly bold | 03:05 |
| RAOF | Yeah, my plan was to do a socket-activated thing but tedg doesn't like that (for application-confinement reasons) | 03:05 |
| RAOF | You're welcome to argue with tedg about this :) | 03:07 |
| desrt | *cough* dbus | 03:08 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, is XWayland/GNOME using libxcwm? | 03:09 |
| RAOF | Not AFAIK. | 03:09 |
| robert_ancell | what are they doing? | 03:10 |
| RAOF | Raw xcb, I think. | 03:10 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:23 |
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| larsu | desrt: ya, I saw the bug... | 08:02 |
| larsu | morning everyone! | 08:02 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 08:02 |
| seb128 | hey larsu | 08:02 |
| larsu | seb128: hello again :) | 08:02 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 08:03 |
| Laney | hey hey | 08:03 |
| larsu | morning Laney! | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey larsu! | 08:03 |
| didrocks | and Laney and seb128 ;) | 08:03 |
| larsu | morning^2 didrocks! | 08:03 |
| Laney | what's with all this squaring | 08:04 |
| larsu | Laney: already said good morning to the Frenchmen | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:04 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks ;-) | 08:05 |
| Laney | pretty alright! | 08:05 |
| * didrocks wonders why so much failure in so little changes… ;) | 08:07 | |
| seb128 | good that you have tests to tell you! | 08:07 |
| Laney | "it's only a littttle syntax error" | 08:07 |
| seb128 | it's a compiler bug! | 08:07 |
| Laney | "come on, can't you put that semicolon in by yourself?" | 08:07 |
| Laney | grr compilers | 08:07 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | héhé | 08:08 |
| didrocks | actually, it's my super tearDown check | 08:08 |
| didrocks | where I can say if I expect to have warnings or errors | 08:08 |
| didrocks | and it yells otherwise (on test by test basis) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | that way, I ensure I have no unexpected warnings or errors spawn | 08:09 |
| didrocks | arf, found it… | 08:13 |
| * didrocks hates that python doesn't define if (something), forcing that thing to be True or False | 08:13 | |
| didrocks | like in any sane language… like… I don't know… Dart :p | 08:13 |
| didrocks | that would avoid: | 08:13 |
| didrocks | if is_completion_mode: | 08:13 |
| didrocks | instead of: | 08:13 |
| didrocks | if is_completion_mode(): | 08:13 |
| larsu | didrocks: I don't understand. What's is_completion_mode? | 08:15 |
| larsu | python has coercion to booleans, no? | 08:16 |
| didrocks | larsu: yeah, which is the issue. It's testing that is_completion_mode is defined (and a function in that case) | 08:17 |
| didrocks | so "if is_completion_mode" is always True | 08:17 |
| larsu | ah, that's what you mean | 08:17 |
| didrocks | and don't run the function to test if I'm in completion mode ;) | 08:17 |
| larsu | that's a bit annoying indeed | 08:17 |
| didrocks | yeah, small typo to find… | 08:18 |
| larsu | you're always in completion mode! | 08:18 |
| didrocks | yep | 08:18 |
| didrocks | in Dart, it would tell you "hum… this isn't a boolean…" | 08:18 |
| larsu | but then you need to explicitely test for other stuff as well, like empty lists | 08:18 |
| larsu | but actually, I think I prefer that | 08:18 |
| didrocks | yeah, there is an f.EmptyList() method on the List class | 08:19 |
| didrocks | for that | 08:19 |
| didrocks | ok .empty() rather | 08:19 |
| * didrocks opens API doc | 08:19 | |
| didrocks | https://api.dartlang.org/apidocs/channels/stable/dartdoc-viewer/dart-core.List#id_isEmpty | 08:20 |
| Laney | aren't you supposed to catch exceptions instead of checking for all the things in python? | 08:20 |
| Laney | EAFP or something | 08:20 |
| * larsu doesn't know | 08:21 | |
| didrocks | Laney: hum, not sure it's related to that… Here I use that function to avoid the env variable tested in one place instead of everywhere | 08:21 |
| didrocks | on using expections… there are 2 schools of thoughts AFAIK | 08:21 |
| Laney | I mean for things like checking for empty lists | 08:22 |
| Laney | https://docs.python.org/2/glossary.html#term-eafp | 08:22 |
| didrocks | ah, yeah, a lot of people do that to avoid eventual races | 08:23 |
| larsu | Laney: I just used that as an example for the type coercion | 08:25 |
| Laney | ah | 08:26 |
| didrocks | Laney: Dart doesn't have threads, so it's not a real issue for that one. Only isolates (which have separated memory) | 08:28 |
| Laney | It's partly (or maybe mainly in the absence of threads) about code clarity as well as avoiding races | 08:30 |
| * didrocks doesn't find it clarify the code :) | 08:32 | |
| seb128 | it's also more efficient for the normal case, since you don't run a check when not needed | 08:32 |
| xnox | anybody wants to port gnome-media-player to xine-lib-1.2 ? | 10:21 |
| xnox | also what is gnome-media-player | 10:21 |
| seb128 | I doubt we want to do that | 10:22 |
| seb128 | some universe package | 10:22 |
| Laney | never heard of it | 10:22 |
| seb128 | which didn't see an update since natty | 10:22 |
| Laney | go ask the uploader | 10:22 |
| seb128 | same version since maverick in fact | 10:22 |
| ogra_ | wasnt that a gnome2 thing anyway ? | 10:23 |
| ogra_ | why is it stil areound | 10:23 |
| ogra_ | *around | 10:23 |
| seb128 | it was never a GNOME thing | 10:23 |
| xnox | dunno, but gnome-media-player is the last dep on xinelib1 which FTBFS against libav10 which holds up the world in proposed migration | 10:23 |
| seb128 | drop it from the I archive I say | 10:24 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 10:24 |
| seb128 | it still use gconf | 10:24 |
| * xnox fudges in building against xin-lib-1.2 and sees what happes. | 10:24 | |
| Laney | demote it to proposed, mail uploader, wait x days, remove | 10:24 |
| seb128 | it hasn't been maintained for years | 10:24 |
| xnox | meh, uploaded. | 10:24 |
| Laney | it builds? | 10:24 |
| seb128 | Laney, you can email xnox now :p | 10:24 |
| Laney | T I L ! | 10:25 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/gnome-media-player | 10:25 |
| seb128 | the trunk is https://code.launchpad.net/~lamothe-deactivatedaccount-deactivatedaccount/gnome-media-player/0.2-new | 10:25 |
| seb128 | see the username | 10:25 |
| xnox | well off to file a remove request for xine-lib | 10:25 |
| seb128 | no commit since 2011 | 10:25 |
| xnox | yeah. | 10:25 |
| Laney | it does seem crufty | 10:25 |
| xnox | seb128: i'll talk to lamont about it. | 10:25 |
| Laney | la..mont? | 10:26 |
| seb128 | lol | 10:26 |
| xnox | lol =)))) | 10:26 |
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| Laney | aah | 14:17 |
| Laney | reboot dialog just stole focus and the active button was 'reboot now' | 14:17 |
| Laney | hope that's an xmonad problem ;-) | 14:17 |
| didrocks | ok, going for a late run | 14:24 |
| gatox | seb128, hi, do you know who i can talk to about the component from QtSystemInfo in the phone?? as far as i can see, that is working on my desktop, but being completely ignored in the phone (detecting plug, unplug, etc) | 14:33 |
| gatox | seb128, the BatteryInfo component | 14:33 |
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| seb128 | gatox, weird, that was working before | 14:38 |
| seb128 | it maybe got buggy with 5.3? | 14:38 |
| seb128 | I would usually recommend Mirv but he's on holiday | 14:38 |
| seb128 | you can try checking with pmcgowan or bzoltan | 14:39 |
| gatox | seb128, :S no idea.... any app that is using it to check that it isn't really my code? because i always get the same values... and not signals | 14:39 |
| gatox | seb128, and it's working on the desktop | 14:39 |
| gatox | seb128, ack, thanks | 14:39 |
| seb128 | gatox, I would just run the example through qmlscene | 14:39 |
| seb128 | I can try that in a bit here if you want | 14:39 |
| seb128 | otherwise maybe just use the battery backend we have in settings | 14:39 |
| seb128 | you can probably add another function there if you need to wrap another upower dbus call | 14:40 |
| gatox | seb128, i'll check in settings... the code from the examples was the one that was failing in the phone for me..... if you can check, i really appreaciate it | 14:41 |
| pmcgowan | seb128, you think that was working before? I know a lot of the API never did, I assumed we needed work in qtubuntu | 14:43 |
| gatox | seb128, ok.... at least i see it working in system settings.... so i will check that | 14:44 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, well, qtsystems was working in saucy, we used it a first for the battery info in system settings | 14:57 |
| seb128 | gatox, it's working on the phone for me | 14:59 |
| seb128 | gatox, I installed qtsystems5-examples and ran | 14:59 |
| seb128 | $ qmlscene /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/examples/sysinfo/qml-battery/qml-battery.qml --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop | 14:59 |
| seb128 | that gives a screen saying the device is charging with the % etc | 14:59 |
| gatox | seb128, weird..... anyway.... system settings is using the same and it's working for me in the phone.... so i'll take a look there, the weird thing is that what i have was working on my desktp but not in my phone | 14:59 |
| seb128 | (running that with the phablet user, "su - phablet" | 15:00 |
| gatox | seb128, could it be a confinent issue?? i was testing this in another app i just created | 15:01 |
| seb128 | could be I guess | 15:01 |
| seb128 | gatox, btw settings don't use those bindings anymore, see plugins/battery/battery.cpp | 15:01 |
| seb128 | we use libupower-glib in a cpp backend | 15:01 |
| seb128 | qtsystems was a bit too limited for what we had to do | 15:02 |
| gatox | seb128, it's using it to detect the chargingstate which is what i want | 15:02 |
| seb128 | right, that should be working | 15:03 |
| pmcgowan | gatox, yes another app would be confined and unable to work | 15:10 |
| gatox | pmcgowan, yap... that was the problem | 15:16 |
| seb128 | gatox, btw, I would appreciate a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/update-uis-tweaks/+merge/224463 if you can look at it, it should be an easy one | 15:19 |
| gatox | seb128, ack! looking | 15:20 |
| gatox | seb128, done... i left a couple of inline comments | 15:25 |
| seb128 | gatox, thanks | 15:26 |
| seb128 | gatox, seems like that didn't work? you need to hit the submit button from the top comment to have the "commit" | 15:30 |
| gatox | seb128, ah i forgot save comments | 15:30 |
| gatox | seb128, there | 15:30 |
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| seb128 | gatox_lunch, k, replied if you want to have another look | 15:50 |
| didrocks | the video quality of Google I/O Live is amazing | 16:12 |
| didrocks | and the menu layering on top of the video | 16:13 |
| seb128 | shame they can't make nice stuff for stuff public use like hangout... | 16:13 |
| didrocks | yeah, well it's not the same constraints "just" to broadcast one stream | 16:14 |
| seb128 | right | 16:15 |
| seb128 | on that note, time for some exercice | 16:16 |
| seb128 | be back in ~1h | 16:16 |
| didrocks | enjoy seb128 :) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | same for you | 16:16 |
| seb128 | enjoy the google show ;-) | 16:16 |
| didrocks | thanks ;) | 16:17 |
| didrocks | polymer is going to contain every android UI toolkit content | 16:28 |
| didrocks | remember a thread? ;) | 16:28 |
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| didrocks | dbarth: as this touches what your team is working on ^ | 16:30 |
| gatox | seb128, which question do you have? | 16:31 |
| gatox | seb128, i think it would be best to change: updateManager.model.length > 1 to root.updatesAvailable > 1 | 16:32 |
| didrocks | ah… and they have snap decisions ;) | 16:34 |
| didrocks | (in L) | 16:34 |
| didrocks | ah, and tabs like our webapps story in their app switcher :) | 16:41 |
| didrocks | nice to see we are not at odds with some of our design patterns | 16:42 |
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| seb128 | gatox, oh, ok, makes sense | 17:46 |
| gatox | seb128, let me know when you push and i'll approve it | 17:47 |
| seb128 | k | 17:47 |
| seb128 | gatox, done | 18:06 |
| gatox | seb128, approved | 18:07 |
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| seb128 | gatox, thanks | 18:10 |
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| robert_ancell | bregma, I can haz log out of Unity 8? \o/ | 20:51 |
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