[04:54] <whowhat> @search linux format
[04:59] <cowabunga> hi i need help. Can anybody create a patched sisimedia driver for ubuntu? Linux has opensource sis driver, but i borrowed from mageia...
[05:26] <mapps> :(
[05:26] <mapps> done it again
[06:58] <ujjain> why do uk checking accounts give more interest than uk saving accounts?
[07:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:55] <SuperMatt> hey boys
[07:55] <SuperMatt> hey girls
[07:55] <SuperMatt> superstar djs
[07:55] <SuperMatt> here we go
[07:57] <bashrc> morning
[08:10] <dwatkins> moin moin
[08:27] <dwatkins> has anyone ever encountered an issue with e-mail addresses being case-sensitive?
[08:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Colour TV Day! :-D
[08:35]  * bigcalm refuses to watch the TV out of spite
[08:41] <diplo> dwatkins, remember issues many many moons ago but not anything in the last 5-6 years or more
[08:57] <awilkins> dwatkins, Emails being case-sensitive?? No. Is it a case of email storage being transferred from Windows to Linux though?
[08:58] <awilkins> Similar parallel when you transfer tables between OSs on MySQL
[08:58] <awilkins> Windows file system names aren't case-sensitive. Linux ones are. Tables are named for their file name. Hilarity ensues.
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> dwatkins: Email addresses are case sensitive. How ever MS Exchange treats them as insensitive.
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> Because MS doesn't do standards.
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> (I will admit, insensitive local-part is much more user friendly; but it's not what the RFC says) http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html
[09:26] <foobarry> my esxi install recipe has reached 16 pages of A4 :S
[10:45] <BigRedS> TwistedLucidity: that's not quite what the RFC says
[10:46] <BigRedS> it says the local-part may be case-sensitive depending on the MTA, and so any intermediaries must treat it as if it were
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> "The local-part of a mailbox MUST BE treated as case sensitive."
[10:47] <BigRedS> yeah, hang on, I misread your comment...
[10:48] <BigRedS> Though IME Exchange doesn't break this, but my experience with Exchange isn't very modern
[10:48] <TwistedLucidity> I mean, from a user's perspective joeschmoe and JoeSchmoe are the same. And that's logical to a human.
[10:48] <BigRedS> yeah, and I don't recall exchange breaking that assumption
[10:48] <TwistedLucidity> I'm fairly sure Exchange treats them as insensitive - perfectly happy to be wrong in that
[11:05] <bigcalm> I tried to add case difference to my own email address, bloody thunderbird corrected it because it was a known address :)
[11:39] <ujjain> pssst, going to dentist is free with NHS?
[11:43] <TwistedLucidity> ujjain: Depends what you need doing. Prices are subsidised I think.
[11:44] <TwistedLucidity> No NHS dentists near me, so I have to go private
[11:44] <DJones> ujjain: http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1781.aspx?CategoryID=74&SubCategoryID=74
[11:59] <ujjain> thanks DJones
[12:00] <ujjain> and TwistedLucidity
[14:59] <foobarry> does anyone know what a "back leader" is at school sports day
[14:59] <foobarry> i'm worried thats a fancy name for being in last place
[15:01] <foobarry> ah, i think its the position you start in the team relay
[15:01] <foobarry> probably no individual races at that age
[15:15] <popey> no individual races?
[15:15] <popey> really?
[15:15] <foobarry> he's 4
[15:16] <foobarry> nursery schoo;
[15:16] <foobarry> so its a sort of practice for being a big boy sports day
[15:16] <bigcalm> I remember running indervidual races in primary school from 5 onwards. Won most of the running :D
[15:17] <bigcalm> I had far too much energy as a child
[15:17] <foobarry> nerd sweets
[15:19] <daftykins> i remember winning a race but not being allowed to take part on sports day "because"
[15:19] <daftykins> ;_;
[15:19] <daftykins> not bitter at all.
[15:19] <awilkins> Is a back leader the person who goes at the back to make sure that no children go astray?
[15:20] <foobarry> nelson mandela a black leader?
[15:22] <foobarry> remember the races where you run and collect bean bags in your team of 8 and sit down when u finish
[15:26] <bigcalm> Ug
[15:27] <foobarry> og
[15:27] <bigcalm> Ook
[15:29] <foobarry> ig
[15:39] <davmor2> ni
[15:44] <foobarry> been reading hitch hikers guide again
[15:44] <foobarry> reminds me of that
[15:57] <daftykins> @np
[15:57] <daftykins> oops wrong chan
[15:57] <daftykins> ;D
[16:37] <andatche> anyone know what the magic incantation is to make the grub menu show up in trusty? Holding shift no longer seems to work
[16:38] <daftykins> that is the key
[16:38] <daftykins> i believe the other day someone mentioned right shift worked for them instead 0o
[16:39] <daftykins> escape can also interrupt
[16:39] <daftykins> perhaps you're just too slow at it? :)
[16:39] <daftykins> also, if it's a desktop USB keyboard support could be complicating matters
[16:41] <directhex> uefi fast boot is awesome, except when it's hell
[16:41] <andatche> it's a remote keyboard via kvm console
[16:44] <andatche> hiding it by default is moronic tbh
[16:44] <daftykins> only in your opinion
[16:44] <daftykins> why waste bootup time by having one if it's the only OS?
[16:49] <popey> yeah, left shift, and be quick
[16:52] <bigcalm> Almost end of the day
[16:52] <bigcalm> What do I want to play before going to the LUG tonight?
[16:52] <popey> ETS2!
[16:52] <bigcalm> ETS2?
[16:52] <popey> *parp* *parp* Rubber ducky!
[16:52] <popey> yes, ETS2!
[16:53]  * bigcalm googles
[16:53] <bigcalm> Oh, god
[16:53] <bigcalm> Moving on
[16:54] <bigcalm> Might play a little LEGO locally rather than streaming
[16:55] <bigcalm> Streaming was fun. But a little intermittent over 5g Hz wifi
[16:55] <bigcalm> And it appeared to put the content in a box rather than being full screen
[16:57] <bigcalm> I did like how I didn't have to do anything other than start Steam on 2 machines
[16:57] <bigcalm> Why can't more things Just Work (tm)?
[16:57] <andatche> daftykins: in case, you know, someone needs to get into single user mode or something ;)
[16:57] <andatche> just displaying the menu for a second would be fine
[16:59] <daftykins> i keep hearing this talk of single user mode but from what i understand that's an old runlevel type term that doesn't exist
[16:59] <daftykins> do you not just mean root recovery console?
[17:01] <andatche> daftykins: I mean init=/bin/bash
[17:02] <daftykins> oh does that actually work on ubuntu 0o
[17:03] <popey> yeah
[17:03] <andatche> it will work with any distribution
[17:04] <popey> recovery console is effectively the same thing, but more friendly and less brutal
[17:04] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:04] <andatche> yeah
[17:04] <daftykins> would the above skip the mounting as read only though?
[17:04] <andatche> no, rootfs is mounted read only, you need to remount if you want to write to it
[17:05] <daftykins> mmm same as recovery then
[17:05] <popey> or rather, recovery is the same as that ☻
[17:05] <popey> chronologically speaking
[17:05] <daftykins> yesh
[17:05] <daftykins> split those hairs sir! split them!
[17:05] <popey> but yeah, pedanticism aside, its handy
[17:06] <popey> not that anyone can do that on my laptop now I have fully encrypted it :D
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: "Please enter key to decrypt /bin/bash" ?
[17:07] <andatche> both are useless if you can't get to the grub menu ;)
[17:08] <popey> you fail at shift
[17:09] <andatche> popey: the exact same setup (remote console to a qemu VM) works fine with a precise box, holding shift displays the menu
[17:12] <daftykins> it presses the shift else it gets the boot again
[17:14] <popey> hehe
[20:04] <foobarry> my wifi is so laggy on this laptop :(
[20:05] <foobarry> are powertop tunables remembered after reboot?
[20:08] <foobarry> meh. shoved them into options file
[20:48] <diddledan> evenink
[20:57] <brobostigon> anyone tried to use a palm os 4 device on a debian or similer machine?
[22:23] <nobody_> anybodyhome?
[22:23] <Azelphur> nope
[22:23] <nobody_> good
[22:24] <nobody_> i have a slight problem
[22:24] <Azelphur> !ask | nobody_
[22:24] <nobody_> theres 3 volume ok
[22:24] <nobody_> ok
[22:27] <nobody_> i have 3 volume control buttons, one of the is dead. sadly, its volume up button. therefore, i do not have any sound. I have tried xdotool to raise the volume but there is still no result
[22:28] <nobody_> is it possible to simulate keypress event
[22:28] <nobody_> i have acpi event name
[23:42] <Matml__> Hi all.
[23:49] <daftykins> Matml__: hi
[23:56] <Matml__> hi daftykins, how goes?
[23:56] <daftykins> not bad ty, yourself?