[07:32] <Saviq> mhr3, hey, can you reproduce the "missing arrows" in depts?
[07:32] <Saviq> mhr3, I can't...
[07:33] <mhr3> Saviq, my unity is kinda crashing now, will check once it works :)
[07:35] <Saviq> kk
[07:36] <Saviq> mhr3, "4. Sorting is a known ToDo for the client, the server is providing the values. [client]"?
[07:36] <mhr3> Saviq, the left part of "departments"
[07:37] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, how are we getting that?
[07:37] <Saviq> mhr3, did we agree on -scopes-shell API for that?
[07:37] <mhr3> Saviq, not really, for us it's a regular-ish options filter, but we need to expose it in a different way
[07:38] <Saviq> mhm, let's have a chat at some point
[07:53] <Cimi> pete-woods, morning! did you have time to test the ppa?
[07:53] <pete-woods> Cimi: I'm just putting it on my phone now
[07:53] <Cimi> pete-woods, thanks!
[08:18] <Saviq> Cimi, I think we need some placeholder if there's no infographics on the greeter... it looks so bland otherwise :|
[08:19] <Cimi> Saviq, I agree
[08:19] <Cimi> Saviq, but I remember you saying the backend should give us one
[08:19] <Saviq> did I?
[08:19] <Saviq> not sure that's right...
[08:19] <Cimi> yes but I am happy to ad a placeholder
[08:19] <Cimi> so we don't clutter the model
[08:20] <Cimi> with fake results
[08:20] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, talk to Jouni or someone - ideally show them why ;)
[08:20] <Saviq> Cimi, mentioning bug #1286276
[08:21] <mzanetti> uh. logout is merged! yay
[08:21]  * mzanetti upgraded
[08:21] <mzanetti> -d +s
[08:25] <mhr3> Saviq, yea, let's define it at some point... point closer to the end of the week though
[08:25] <Saviq> pete-woods, fwiw, I just upgraded from silo 9, called the phone a few times, texted it, made some photos with the .deb camera app from the silo... no dice, welcome screen still empty :|
[08:26] <pete-woods> bah
[08:26] <Saviq> mhr3, wait for it, mikenagle just asked me about having three dropdowns ;)
[08:26] <mhr3> of course he did...
[08:26] <mhr3> cause one top level navigation is never enough
[08:27] <Saviq> mhr3, truth be told the original plan was, after all, to have two equal dropdowns
[08:27] <Saviq> then you stripped it down to one single-level, one multi-level
[08:28] <Saviq> which at least to me means more work ;P
[08:28] <mhr3> cause we totally want scopes to deal with exponential explosion of ways things can be surfaced
[08:28] <mikenagle> saviq mhr3 - it's not my fault :) It's Timeout
[08:28] <Saviq> mhr3, well now, it'd be the scope that decides wouldn't it
[08:28] <Saviq> mhr3, on every request it'd supply 0-3 dropdowns
[08:28] <mhr3> Saviq, making it buggy and reflecting bad on our platform
[08:29] <Saviq> mhr3, sure, maybe, just saying
[08:29] <Saviq> mikenagle, so yah, remember the left-hand-side one is single-level, no drilling down
[08:30] <mikenagle> saviq mhr3 - this i didn't know
[08:30] <Saviq> yay for comms :|
[08:30] <pete-woods> Saviq: just got the stuff from the silo installed now, going to try and figure out why "real" data sources don't work
[08:30] <Saviq> pete-woods, kk
[08:30] <mhr3> mikenagle, didn't we talk about that?
[08:31] <mikenagle> mhr3 - not that I remember but that doesn't mean no :)
[08:31] <mhr3> on malta actually
[08:32] <mhr3> Saviq, anyway, i need uri mangling in previews to use the caching image provider
[08:32] <Saviq> mhr3, mikenagle, it was probably a case of mhr3 asking "should we limit that to single level" and mikenagle you responded "yes!" thinking for this one case, when mhr3 wanted to know globally
[08:33] <mhr3> Saviq, not something i'd like to do in the plugin, cause previews are just data exposed to shell without any semantics
[08:33] <Saviq> mhr3, mangle how?
[08:33] <mhr3> Saviq, http://foo.com/bar.png -> image://cached/u=http...
[08:34] <Saviq> mhr3, think that's fine, why, though?
[08:35] <Saviq> mhr3, why are previews special?
[08:35] <mhr3> Saviq, as i said, it's just dicts of data without semantics for the plugin, it doesn't know which field should be mangled and which not
[08:35] <mhr3> Saviq, we want to apply it just to images
[08:36] <Saviq> mhr3, no, I mean why doesn't mangling in Image not good enough?
[08:36] <Saviq> s/doesn't/isn't/
[08:36] <mhr3> Saviq, does u8 have it's own image?
[08:36] <mhr3> Saviq, cause it can't be done in the sdk image
[08:37] <Saviq> mhr3, huh? wasn't that the whole point?
[08:37] <pete-woods> Saviq: er, "works for me"?
[08:37] <pete-woods> just installed the camera app from the silo
[08:37] <Saviq> pete-woods, interesting :|
[08:37] <pete-woods> took a picture
[08:37] <pete-woods> and it makes it all the way through to the greeter
[08:37] <pete-woods> I have no SIM card to test the telephony app, thoug
[08:37] <mhr3> Saviq, ok, my bad forgot to update you, i was talking with florian who convinced me that trying to do it in the sdk is a bad idea
[08:37] <pete-woods> so that could be broken perhaps
[08:37] <Saviq> pete-woods, /var/lib/usermetrics kinda empty here
[08:38] <pete-woods> Saviq: I'm really very confident about the actual backing service
[08:38] <Saviq> pete-woods, you can install ofono-phonesim to pretend you have a SIM
[08:38] <pete-woods> it's most likely that the input API could have gone wrong
[08:38] <Saviq> mhr3, so we don't get caching in apps?
[08:38] <mhr3> Saviq, basically the api they're using for it isn't supported, nor documented and introduces problems with signals, so they're actually trying to get rid of it
[08:38] <Saviq> BAAHA
[08:38] <mhr3> Saviq, nope
[08:39] <Saviq> mhr3, short-term I assume?
[08:39]  * pete-woods installs fake SIM package
[08:39] <Saviq> mhr3, fine, we can be explicit about caching in shell for the time being
[08:39] <mhr3> Saviq, yea, there is an old proposal how to do some kind of qml caching api
[08:40] <mhr3> Saviq, think you even saw it at some point
[08:40] <mhr3> so that would be the solution
[08:40] <mhr3> long-term
[08:41] <Saviq> pete-woods, FWIW http://paste.ubuntu.com/7699369/
[08:41] <Saviq> mhr3, I think *the* solution is to build default image provider support into Qt
[08:42]  * Saviq hates it how we don't consider real upstream solutions :|
[08:42] <mhr3> Saviq, ok yea, but ultimately you want to be caching more than just images
[08:42] <mhr3> so caching api still useful
[08:42] <Saviq> mhr3, sure
[08:43] <Saviq> mhr3, in that case we could just do the QNetworkFoo in the shell ;)
[08:44] <Saviq> so Florian would get his way
[08:44] <Saviq> pete-woods, anywhere I can look for some messages on what happens and why I'm not getting any infog?
[08:44] <mhr3> Saviq, yea, what i implemented in the image provider is ultimately just that :/
[08:45] <pete-woods> Saviq: so you should be seeing files in ~/.cache/APP_NAME/usermetrics
[08:45] <pete-woods> for both com.ubuntu.camera, and telephony-service
[08:45] <mhr3> Saviq, it does allow us to cache resolution specific stuff though
[08:45] <mhr3> which it isn't doing yet though
[08:45] <Saviq> pete-woods, ok, rebooted and it's there
[08:46] <Saviq> pete-woods, at least for camera
[08:46] <Saviq> pete-woods, empty for telephony (the dir is there)
[08:46] <pete-woods> Saviq: I'm thinking there's something up with the telephony service here
[08:46] <pete-woods> yeah
[08:46]  * pete-woods trying to figure out why this is
[08:46] <Saviq> pete-woods, kk
[08:46] <Saviq> pete-woods, should a reboot have been necessary?
[08:46] <pete-woods> Saviq: can you test taking another picture?
[08:47] <pete-woods> it should the first time, or the new services won't be running
[08:47] <pete-woods> it starts the usermetrics (session) service on dbus start
[08:47] <Saviq> pete-woods, well, yeah, I did reboot after upgrading
[08:47] <pete-woods> if there's a better activation for my upstart file then I'm very much all ears
[08:47] <pete-woods> Saviq: oh :(
[08:48] <pete-woods> how do I use this ofono-sim thing then?
[08:48]  * pete-woods googling for infos
[08:48] <Saviq> pete-woods, it should Just Work™ for the most part
[08:49] <Saviq> pete-woods, reboot might be needed
[08:49]  * pete-woods reboots again
[08:49] <pete-woods> I should see the signal strength indicator, right?
[08:50] <Saviq> pete-woods, yeah
[08:50] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you know if that can be used to emulate SIM pin entry scenarios?
[08:50] <pete-woods> hmm, not getting that
[08:50] <Saviq> mzanetti, if not, it should
[08:50] <Saviq> pete-woods, ah stupid me, I got the camera app from .deb so no hook
[08:50] <mzanetti> heh. fair enough
[08:51] <Saviq> pete-woods, but still nothing from telephony, anyway, I'll leave you to it and let me know if you need me to test something
[08:55] <Saviq> pete-woods, to check out how to use it, you could probably look at messaging / dialer autopilot tests
[08:55] <Saviq> pete-woods, also, there's a ofono-phonesim-autostart
[08:55] <pete-woods> that's a good idea
[08:56] <pete-woods> hmm, unpleasant looking dep list
[08:56] <pete-woods> dbus-x11 libfontenc1 libgl1-mesa-glx libxaw7 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0
[08:56] <pete-woods>   libxcb-present0 libxfont1 libxkbfile1 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4 libxshmfence1
[08:56] <pete-woods>   x11-xkb-utils xauth xserver-common xvfb
[08:57]  * pete-woods worries about breaking GL
[08:59] <Saviq> pete-woods, no need to worry
[08:59] <pete-woods> well I installed it anyway! :p
[09:00] <pete-woods> seems to have done the trick :)
[09:00] <pete-woods> hmm, dialer is not fooled, though
[09:30] <Saviq> dednick, Cimi, heh, I was surprised to see that the settings app doesn't actually use ubuntu-settings-components ;P
[09:33] <seb128> Saviq, the code there was in place before u-s-c was ready to be used, and nobody "ported" it to it then, that would be nice to do though
[09:33] <Saviq> seb128, mhm
[09:38] <dednick> Saviq: meh...
[09:54] <Saviq> dednick, how is the indicator icon colour communicated?
[09:55] <dednick> Saviq: it's not.
[09:56] <Saviq> dednick, so they just change the icon source?
[09:56] <dednick> Saviq: yep
[09:56] <Saviq> dednick, kk
[09:59] <pete-woods> Saviq: could you kick a build for the silo? (I have two changes - one for libusermetrics and one for telephony-service)
[09:59] <pete-woods> but I've just pushed the libusermetrics one first
[09:59] <Saviq> pete-woods, sure
[09:59] <pete-woods> so we don't get a depwait
[09:59] <Saviq> pete-woods, push both, I'll just make sure to wait for lum to build first
[10:00] <Saviq> pete-woods, I can control which packages build
[10:00] <pete-woods> Saviq: oh, cool, pushing now
[10:00] <pete-woods> okay, pushed
[10:01] <MacSlow> phew... almost thought my n4 was bricked
[10:01] <Saviq> dednick, any idea why "icon:" is empty in indicators-client?
[10:06] <dednick> Saviq: probably using "icons"
[10:06] <Saviq> dednick, ah, so we need to print that out, too
[10:06] <Saviq> dednick, ktx
[10:07] <dednick> Saviq: it's in the actionState.icons field.
[10:08] <dednick> the "icons:" is for menu item. doesnt change.
[10:09] <Saviq> dednick, for menu item? I'm about the icons in the panel, though, does that apply?
[10:11] <dednick> Saviq: yeah, it still has a menu item for the panel entry, but the widgets use the action for the menu to display info
[10:11] <Saviq> dednick, ok, so the model printer doesn't print it out
[10:11] <dednick> Saviq: nope.
[10:13] <dednick> Saviq: let me have a think about how to do it.
[10:13] <Saviq> dednick, don't worry
[10:15] <dednick> Saviq: hm. it would be useful though. not sure why it isn't working properly now.
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, latersz
[10:17] <dednick> Saviq: ok. think it probably just can't convert the icon variant type without the fancy shizzle i have to do for the root items.
[10:17] <dednick> sort out later.
[10:34] <dednick> Saviq: you know where ubuntu-app-launch application logs go?
[10:35] <Saviq> dednick, ~/.cache/upstart/application-{click,legacy}-foo
[10:35] <dednick> Saviq: ta
[11:11] <Saviq> pete-woods, kicked telephony-service
[11:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, hey, what's the status on the header?
[11:15] <facundobatista> Holas
[11:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: timp is done with the api changes, was blocked on CI to land those yesterday
[11:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: other that that, I don't think there will be big issues still. was working fine with the old api already
[11:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: have swipe to close implemented on top of QtComp now
[11:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, ok great
[11:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: will move back to the header now
[11:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, tkx
[11:17] <mzanetti> facundobatista: o/
[11:17] <facundobatista> hola mzanetti :)
[11:18] <mzanetti> facundobatista: does the scopetool work for you now?
[11:19] <facundobatista> mzanetti, the unity-scope-tool or the tool to check all the possible widgets configs?
[11:19] <mzanetti> ah right... it was the cardtool
[11:19] <mzanetti> well, all those tools we tried to get running in Malta
[11:23] <mhr3> Saviq, could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/caching-image-provider/+merge/224415 ?
[11:23] <Saviq> mhr3, will do
[11:23] <Saviq> mhr3, tested that it actually helps? ;)
[11:24] <mhr3> Saviq, it does if the server is setup correctly... ours aren't but it's being fixed
[11:24] <Saviq> mhr3, kk
[11:26] <mhr3> Saviq, wonder if the results themselves should be mangled by the shell itself or the plugin
[11:27] <mhr3> Saviq, i did it in the plugin atm, but maybe it would be cleaner in shell?
[11:27] <Saviq> mhr3, shell better
[11:27] <Saviq> mhr3, otherwise you're dead if you use the scopes plugin without the cacher
[11:28] <mhr3> Saviq, true, then feel free to use as a quick test, but that's it https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/use-caching-image-provider/+merge/224418
[11:28] <mhr3> use ^^
[11:28] <Saviq> mhr3, kk
[11:29] <Malsasa> Hello, anyone can give me a clue? I've asked here at April but until this June I have no idea at all. http://askubuntu.com/questions/447587/alt-key-for-hud-doesnt-work
[11:39] <om26er> unity8 crashes on my desktop when i start it from terminal, why is that so ?
[11:39] <om26er> I need to write some tests so need help there.
[11:41] <om26er> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7699992/
[11:41] <mhr3> Saviq, oh and btw arrows work fine here with scope-tool... but you already know that now :)
[11:42] <Saviq> mhr3, yup ;)
[11:42] <Saviq> mhr3, I just wonder how facundobatista ended up without the package
[11:43] <Saviq> ah, uitk doesn't depend on it
[11:43] <mhr3> doesn't seem to be a direct dep
[11:44] <facundobatista> Saviq, mhr3, I answered the mail... with that package, all see the ">" ok :)
[11:44] <Saviq> it was unity8's, I was sure UITK took over
[11:44] <Saviq> facundobatista, yup, cool
[11:44] <facundobatista> thank you!
[11:48] <Saviq> /food
[11:54] <dakira> hey. is there a way to see a list of currently active indicators. I'm looking for a way to identify the chrome notification indicator and a way to block it from appearing.
[11:57] <larsu> dakira: doesn't chrome have a setting to disable the indicator?
[11:57] <dakira> larsu: only in the win and mac version.
[11:58] <dakira> larsu: which is probably a bug
[11:59] <larsu> dakira: crazy. I don't think there's a way to block specific application indicators
[12:27] <dakira> larsu: too bad. there should be. I think this will become more and more of a problem, apps poluting the notification area with their unneccessary indicators.
[12:34] <larsu> dakira: I agree. We should even have UI for this.
[13:13] <om26er> mzanetti, how can I add an icon to the launcher programatically  ?
[13:13] <mzanetti> om26er: you can't
[13:13] <om26er> mzanetti, hmm, any to add it hackishly ?
[13:13] <om26er> *way
[13:14] <om26er> mzanetti, I have to add a test for the launcher where we make sure pulling the launcher out and tapping on it opens an app
[13:14] <om26er> I don't want to rely on stock apps, I would rather create a dummy app and put its icon in the launcher during my test
[13:15] <mzanetti> om26er: yes, you can in that case
[13:15] <mzanetti> om26er: use this to see current config:
[13:15] <mzanetti> gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get com.canonical.unity.AccountsService launcher-items
[13:15] <mzanetti> om26er: use this to reset to default config (being read from dconf):
[13:15] <mzanetti> gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.canonical.unity.AccountsService launcher-items "<[{'defaults' : <true>}]>"
[13:16] <mzanetti> om26er: change that last argument to contain whatever items you want
[13:16] <mzanetti> see output from the Get call on syntax
[13:24] <om26er> mzanetti, lets say I want to add camera-app to the launcher, how do I do that in this syntax ?
[13:25] <mzanetti> om26er: you drag the launcher on the phone how you like it, then call the Get method above
[13:25] <mzanetti> om26er: then you copy, paste the output into the last parameter of the Set call
[13:28] <Saviq> greyback, jenkins is confused because you renamed "devel" to "devel-mir-next"
[13:29] <Saviq> greyback, and jenkins somehow still wants devel...
[13:29] <Saviq> greyback, ah well, because it's "unity-mir-devel-autolanding"
[13:30] <greyback> Saviq: wasn't me who renamed, but ok, need CI person to update jenkins
[13:30] <Saviq> greyback, looks like the job got confused, yeah
[13:30] <Saviq> greyback, it was the general "you"
[13:30] <Saviq> greyback, but in any case... this MP has nothing to do with devel (or devel-mir-next), so there's basically some bug in the job
[13:30] <greyback> right
[13:34] <pete-woods> Saviq: okay, those changes fixed the telephony app now
[13:34] <Saviq> pete-woods, cool beanz
[13:34] <Saviq> pete-woods, any way I can convince the .deb camera to work, too?
[13:35] <pete-woods> Saviq: for me the .deb camera app "just worked"
[13:35] <pete-woods> I just installed it from the silo
[13:35] <Saviq> pete-woods, hmm interesting
[13:35] <Saviq> pete-woods, ok, will try again in a bit
[13:39] <AlbertA> mterry: mterry_: could you do me a favor and review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/screen-power-state-handling/+merge/213957
[13:39] <mterry_> AlbertA, just looking at that now actually
[13:39] <AlbertA> mterry: oh cool...thanks!
[13:51] <Saviq> dednick, minor thing https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-settings-components/suru-theme/+merge/220739/comments/538883
[14:03] <paulliu> Saviq, Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/lp1330957/+merge/223779
[14:04] <Saviq> otp, Cimi can you review please
[14:07] <Cimi> Saviq, branch is fine, do we want to add the margin on the case without mascot, art?
[14:07] <Saviq> Cimi, I don't think so
[14:08] <Saviq> otp
[14:09] <dednick> Saviq: rightLabel?
[14:13] <dednick> what issue in settings?
[14:15] <Saviq> dednick, huge icon in Languages
[14:16] <Saviq> dednick, because they're using the standard menu from SDK which doesn't cope well with the new icons
[14:16] <dednick> Saviq: and rightLabel would help why?
[14:17] <Saviq> dednick, because they have two labels there, and the StandardMenu you added does cope well with the new icons :)
[14:18] <dednick> Saviq: i c
[14:19] <dednick> Saviq: give me a minute. i will investigate what i can do.
[14:19] <Saviq> dednick, sure ;)
[14:23] <AlbertA> mterry: thanks for the review
[14:23] <AlbertA> mterry: about powerd service watcher
[14:24] <AlbertA> mterry: the dbus messages will be send to whatever owner happens to be the owner of that interface
[14:24] <AlbertA> mterry: the reason for the watcher initially is for initializing the default brightness parameters
[14:24] <mterry> AlbertA, but we don't want to re-init those?
[14:25] <AlbertA> mterry: I thought about it, but it would be ill defined...as we also get the default brightness which may have been changed
[14:25] <AlbertA> mterry: by the user already
[14:26] <AlbertA> mterry: but I guess I could change it so it always does
[14:26] <AlbertA> listen to it
[14:27] <mterry> AlbertA, whatever makes sense.  I just didn't want that possibility to be overlooked
[14:47] <AlbertA> mterry: ok I've changed it....
[14:48] <AlbertA> mterry: as for the power-off-delay option...the branch for the touch-session can come in a separate landing right?
[14:48] <mterry> AlbertA, I would have thought it would abort() on an unknown argument -- Mir likes to do that
[14:48] <mterry> AlbertA, but apparently it doesn't...
[14:49] <mterry> AlbertA, it can come separately I guess yah
[15:01] <om26er> mzanetti, thanks for the tip, it works but changes only take place on restarting unity
[15:01] <om26er> any other way to make them effective or is restart the only way
[15:03] <mzanetti> om26er: atm restarting is the only way
[15:20] <AlbertA> mterry: so can I get your approval with the usc mp?
[15:22] <mterry> AlbertA, k
[15:28] <Saviq> mhr3, I chatted with mikenagle earlier, any objection to removing fill-mode from the toolkit (and doing a private hack for the app icons, which we need anyway)?
[15:28] <mhr3> Saviq, nope, hack away!
[15:29] <mhr3> it's really getting rid of hack, so i'm happy
[15:29] <Saviq> mhr3, indeed, and people are abusing/confused by it
[15:29] <mhr3> we'll need to update docs though
[15:29] <Saviq> let's do it together with scope customs
[15:30] <Saviq> we'll still need to find a way to impl it for apps
[15:30] <mhr3> Saviq, implement a special renderer for them?
[15:31] <mhr3> well... yea... no
[15:31] <Saviq> mhr3, no, not really, just add a private hack
[15:31] <Saviq> mhr3, that we'll have in the shell, but not expose to scopes
[15:31] <mhr3> Saviq, anyway, speaking about customizations, i suppose you wanted the same merge with defaults, so the variant map isn't empty thing that we're doing for categories?
[15:32] <Saviq> mhr3, you're talking the global ones?
[15:32] <mhr3> Saviq, yea
[15:32] <Saviq> mhr3, they were mostly null by default, weren't they?
[15:32] <mhr3> Saviq, so if scope doesn't define any customizations, you're fine with having empty variant map?
[15:33] <Saviq> mhr3, only "background-color" is non-null
[15:33] <Saviq> mhr3, but it might just as well be
[15:33] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, empty is fine
[15:33] <mhr3> ah, good, i thought i'd have to change things :)
[15:48] <MacSlow> mterry, I've also added a quick side-by-side comparison video to LP: #1331551 ... now we just need a pair of eyes from Design to confirm the invalid status of said bug.
[15:49] <mterry> MacSlow, cool.  Maybe they wanted the logo to be bigger on n10 instead of same size?  I dunno
[15:50] <MacSlow> mterry, we'll have to see what jouni & Co provide as feedback
[15:52] <mterry> Saviq, do we have a proposed fix for the tst_Shell.qml qmluitest crash?
[16:07] <elopio> can I get a quick review please?
[16:07] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/flake8/+merge/223495
[16:07] <greyback> mterry: Cimi: I can't log bugs for welcome wizard (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-welcome-wizard)
[16:08] <mterry> greyback, it's part of ubuntu-system-settings
[16:08] <greyback> mterry: ah ok
[16:09] <greyback> Cimi: could you edit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-welcome-wizard to say it now is part of ubuntu-system-settings? Or delete the project entirely?
[16:09] <Cimi> greyback, will keep if if we decide to split
[16:10] <Cimi> greyback, but will edit it accordingly
[16:10] <greyback> Cimi: thanks
[16:25] <dednick> Saviq: re my question about qml focus events earlier: what component receives the app focus event?
[16:31] <mzanetti> Saviq: still around?
[16:31] <mzanetti> dednick: what do you mean with "the app focus event"?
[16:31] <mzanetti> dednick: if you focus an app, where the focus ends up inside the app?
[16:33] <dednick> mzanetti: i mean that a qml application is focused.
[16:33] <dednick> mzanetti: i think it's "Qt.application.active"
[16:34] <mzanetti> dednick: hmm... if that's inside an app, yes, probably
[16:34] <mzanetti> dednick: if you need the information inside unity, you probably want to import Unity.Application
[16:34] <mzanetti> and get the focusedApplication
[16:35] <dednick> mzanetti: it's inside the app. thanks.
[16:37] <greyback> hey, has anyone tried profiling unity8 on the device via QtCreator? I'm getting stuck setting my touch device up in QtC, if I use my ssh key it fails with "SSH connection failure: Decoding of private key file failed: Format not understood."
[16:38] <mzanetti> strange
[16:38] <mzanetti> greyback: right... I think I know what happened
[16:38] <mzanetti> greyback: SDK people moved the ssh key to ~/.config/ubuntu-sdk/
[16:39] <mzanetti> greyback: in order to not mess with the user's ssh keys any more
[16:39] <mzanetti> greyback: however, I assume that's ubuntu specific stuff not understood by whole QtCreator
[16:39] <mzanetti> greyback: so you probably want ot deploy one of your keys in ~/.ssh too
[16:40] <greyback> mzanetti: it's strange, if I manually ssh in, my usual id_rsa key works fine. But QtC fails
[16:40] <mzanetti> greyback: try setting the device up in qtc's settings as generic linux device
[16:40] <greyback> mzanetti: that's what I'm donig actually
[16:41] <mzanetti> hmm, ok
[16:41] <mzanetti> running out of ideas here
[16:41] <greyback> yeah. I'm a bit miffed
[16:42] <greyback> I'll try making a new keypair and use that
[19:03] <kgunn> mhall119: hey you gotta minute to hop on a hangout ?
[19:08] <mhall119> kgunn: sure, got a URL?
[19:09] <kgunn> mhall119: 2 secs
[19:10] <kgunn> mhall119: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g3jfv4rdr4rxlffdbi5jpy6ebqa
[19:12] <kgunn> tedg: dude is like scarey tornado looking where you are? my sky just went black
[19:12] <mhall119> kgunn: says the party is over :(
[19:14] <kgunn> mhall119: lets try this one https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g7by2uijbii637kuyplmyck7baa
[19:14]  * mhall119 hopes kgunn's weather didn't end the party prematurely
[19:14] <kgunn> just me & toto
[19:14] <mhall119> kgunn: same thing...
[19:16] <mhall119> kgunn: can you join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g7heukxf2v22yrxz5esergeczqa?hl=en ?
[19:23] <tedg> kgunn, Not yet, but not looking good.
[19:23] <tedg> kgunn, Have to drive to Plano to pick up the kid from hockey camp in a bit too…
[19:24] <kgunn> stay safe
[19:26] <tedg> kgunn, Not sure whether I should be more worried about the clouds or Texas drivers in the rain :-)
[19:27] <kgunn> tx drivers obviously
[19:38] <Saviq> mterry, no, Albert was digging into it but didn't get much anywhere yet
[19:38] <Saviq> mzanetti, back now
[22:02] <Saviq> karni, hey, I'm still around
[22:03] <Saviq> karni, does `url-dispatcher http://foo/` work on the console (you might need to install url-dispatcher-tools)
[22:07] <karni> Saviq: hi
[22:07] <karni> let me try
[22:08] <karni> Saviq: ** (process:4135): WARNING **: Unable to dispatch url 'http://google.com':GDBus.Error:com.canonical.URLDispatcher.BadURL: URL 'http://google.com' is not handleable by the URL Dispatcher
[22:09] <Saviq> karni, works here, anything you could upgrade?
[22:09] <Saviq> tedg, any pointers for karni ↑?
[22:09] <karni> Saviq: you mean, a utopic-proposed has been updated since.. let me think.. I think I flashed it morning of Wednesday
[22:10] <Saviq> karni, so yesterday morning?
[22:10] <karni> it's r96
[22:10] <karni> what you're testing on?
[22:10]  * Saviq on r97
[22:10] <Saviq> let me see if I downgrade to 96 if that changes anything
[22:10] <karni> f... well, let me test connectivity in this hotel
[22:10] <karni> Saviq: thanks, that may actually be faster :(
[22:11] <karni> looks like 10Mbps, not that bad
[22:12] <karni> Saviq: I've been using dual boot (humpolec) for a while now, and I have the demo in 10 hours. let me refresh my memory here: ubuntu-device-flash --channel=utopic-proposed is the command?
[22:12] <Saviq> karni, I'm dual-booting too
[22:13] <karni> Saviq: so.. ubuntu-device-flash flashes recovery by default? how do you install older revision with humpolec?
[22:13] <Saviq> karni, that's why I want to check - don't flash without me verifying that that'll fix anything
[22:13] <karni> Saviq: ok :)
[22:13]  * karni waits
[22:15] <Saviq> karni, the changes between 96 and 97 don't suggest anything good :|
[22:15] <Saviq> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/97.changes
[22:16] <Saviq> karni, btw, you know you can side-load images from your laptop with humpolec? so that you don't download them on the device all the time?
[22:16] <karni> Saviq: I'll be honest, I'm not sure what's that supposed to tell me :(
[22:17] <Saviq> karni, it's supposed to tell you nothing related to url-dispatcher landed in image 97, so it's not really likely that this will help :|
[22:17] <karni> aha :/
[22:17] <Saviq> but let's see, maybe the session
[22:17] <karni> Saviq: but you said url dispatcher works for you in r97?
[22:17] <Saviq> karni, yeah, just flashing r96 to check if it doesn't there
[22:17] <karni> thanks
[22:18] <Saviq> but really unlikely :|
[22:19] <karni> Saviq: I can bootstrap, wipe hope, whatever. I mean, if it's working for you, I can really flash. whatever makes it work.
[22:20] <Saviq> karni, yeah, that's what I think will need to happen, your device might've gotten confused somehow
[22:20] <Saviq> karni, but let's see first, almost there
[22:20] <karni> okay, thanks Saviq, I appreciate your help
[22:20] <karni> (again, this week)
[22:20] <Saviq> karni, nw, sorry for yanking stuff from under your feet ;)
[22:21] <karni> Saviq: np. it's been a hard week for me xD
[22:21] <karni> (in general)
[22:21] <Saviq> doesn't sound like "np."
[22:23] <karni> things happen, no probs :)
[22:23] <karni> I rarely have a presentation and a customer meeting in a single week ;D
[22:23] <Saviq> karni, yeah, 96 works for me, too
[22:24] <Saviq> karni, without tedg, my only recommendation is to wipe user data and flash from scratch with the dualboot app in android
[22:24] <karni> okay, I'll do that, thank you Saviq !
[22:24] <Saviq> karni, you know how to side-load with humpolec? in case you'd need to flash again?
[22:25] <karni> Saviq: I haven't done it before, no. Is it on the wiki somewhere?
[22:25] <Saviq> karni, "channel" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Dual_boot_installer_command_reference
[22:26] <karni> Saviq: thanks
[22:26] <Saviq> karni, but you need to make sure to uninstall Ubuntu first and close the app, otherwise it won't look for the sideloaded files
[22:27] <karni> ok
[22:27] <Saviq> karni, so my workflow is: adb reboot; ./dualboot.sh channel utopic-proposed;
[22:27] <Saviq> karni, and while it's downloading / uploading to the device, I go into the app and press uninstall
[22:27] <karni> ack
[22:27] <Saviq> from the three-dot menu
[22:28] <Saviq> karni, close the app and wait for it to come up again after it's done uploading
[22:28] <Saviq> then you just go "resume install" and you're done
[22:28]  * karni notes it all
[22:37] <karni> Saviq: have departments been promoted to utopic?
[22:38] <Saviq> karni, not yet it doesn't seem
[22:38] <karni> ack
[22:39] <Saviq> karni, last promoted is 87, depts landed in 90
[22:39] <karni> cwayne: FYI ↑
[23:02] <karni> Saviq: dispatcher works in latest proposed, thank you
[23:03] <tedg> karni, Saviq, there seems to be a bug where the db isn't getting updated correctly. Probably doesn't have an http entry :-/
[23:03] <tedg> karni, If you still have it please upload your crash files, there should be one there about the issue.
[23:05] <karni> tedg: no, sorry, I clean-flashed it
[23:05] <tedg> Ever since I updated the logging they're not happening on the CI system anymore :-/
[23:05] <tedg> Ah, okay.
[23:06] <karni> tedg: Saviq: one last comment I have - it takes 5-10, maybe even 15 seconds for a browser to pop after clicking a button on a preview. I'm not sure if this is purely browser related, affected by network here, or influenced by url-dispatcher, but just providing general feedback.
[23:07] <karni> 27 seconds to pop the browser :( what is interesting is the page is already loaded. I'd prefer to see the browser immediately, and see the page being loaded instead.
[23:08] <tedg> karni, There's work planned to look at application startup. I don't think those optimizations have hit yet.
[23:08] <tedg> An important issue for almost all apps.
[23:08] <karni> great
[23:08]  * tedg knows *his* part of that hasn't landed, not sure about others.
[23:09] <karni> Has anyone noticed the keyboard doesn't pop up? I bet once I write this, it'll start working magically
[23:09] <karni> (when trying to search a scope, that is)
[23:15]  * karni tries r95
[23:36] <karni> keyboard doesn't pop up in r95 of utopic-proposed
[23:36] <karni> :(
[23:59] <karni> escalated to my team to pick this up. g'night o/