[03:35] <jimbohertz> yo what was the msg about rt kernel about ?
[03:42] <holstein> jimbohertz: when?
[03:42] <jimbohertz> 8:00 east ?
[03:43] <holstein> jimbohertz: i see no messages to your nick. who said it?
[03:45] <jimbohertz> Kaj Ailomaa & Ralf Mardorf
[03:45] <jimbohertz> I'm just read the digest
[03:46] <holstein> jimbohertz: on the mailing list?
[03:47] <jimbohertz> yeh
[03:48] <holstein> jimbohertz: its about the rt kernel 
[03:48] <holstein> jimbohertz: how it may not be a high priority
[03:48] <jimbohertz> why is it not ?
[03:48] <holstein> http://embeddedenea.com/2014/03/17/speculations-on-real-time-linux-future/
[03:49] <holstein> jimbohertz: because, the low latency kernel is meeting needs, and doing it in a balanced way
[03:50] <jimbohertz> people want rt for ubuntu studio ?
[03:50] <holstein> they can have it
[03:50] <jimbohertz> yeah
[03:50] <holstein> there are PPA's, and other sources.. anyone can make what they want anytime
[03:50] <jimbohertz> but its about having it by default ?
[03:50] <holstein> its just, zequence was saying, its a lower prority now
[03:50] <holstein> jimbohertz: why? do you want it by default?
[03:51] <jimbohertz> well i tried out rt on debian
[03:51] <jimbohertz> and sound is better
[03:51] <jimbohertz> very noticable
[03:51] <holstein> no
[03:51] <holstein> the latency is lower. the sound is uneffected
[03:51] <holstein> its not addressing the sound in any way
[03:51] <jimbohertz> uh
[03:52] <jimbohertz> you tried ?
[03:52] <holstein> jimbohertz: yes
[03:52] <jimbohertz> really...
[03:52] <holstein> jimbohertz: its not for "better sound"
[03:52] <jimbohertz> no i mean
[03:52] <jimbohertz> you tried?
[03:52] <holstein> jimbohertz: its only for lower latency
[03:52] <holstein> its not magic
[03:52] <holstein> jimbohertz: yes
[03:52] <jimbohertz> sound depends on latency
[03:52] <holstein> jimbohertz: no
[03:52] <jimbohertz> sound depends entirely on time
[03:52] <jimbohertz> yes it does
[03:52] <holstein> jimbohertz: ok
[03:52] <holstein> jimbohertz: use what you want.. the timing of the sound isnt effecting the quality
[03:53] <jimbohertz> ?
[03:53] <jimbohertz> that doesn't make sense
[03:53] <holstein> latency means that, instead of 20ms later than when you presss the play button, it happens at 80ms.. or 3ms
[03:53] <holstein> the sound is the same
[03:53] <jimbohertz> are you sure ?
[03:53] <holstein> just at a different time. or latency
[03:53] <holstein> jimbohertz: quite
[03:53] <jimbohertz> its so funny
[03:54] <holstein> jimbohertz: its not a feature, goal, or ability of the kernel to affect the sound quality
[03:54] <jimbohertz> your funny
[03:56] <holstein> jimbohertz: sounds travels through air at around 1ms per foot.. so, if you sit 6 feet closer to your speakers, that 6ms lower latency
[03:56] <jimbohertz> WHAT
[03:56] <holstein> jimbohertz: no kernel hacks.. or, addons.. just analog latency reduction
[03:56] <jimbohertz> I have headphone from cm to my ears
[03:56] <holstein> jimbohertz: then, you  have lower latency that way
[03:57] <jimbohertz> oh boy
[03:57] <holstein> jimbohertz: ?
[03:57] <jimbohertz> ok
[03:57] <jimbohertz> 1ms per foot
[03:57] <holstein> jimbohertz: sound takes time to travel through the air, friend
[03:57] <jimbohertz> citation needed
[03:58] <jimbohertz> just cause i dont know
[03:58] <jimbohertz> not because i do not believe you
[03:58] <jimbohertz> im interested
[03:58] <holstein> jimbohertz: search as you please
[03:58] <jimbohertz> i always checked for the 
[03:58] <holstein> jimbohertz: or, just notice the latency around you
[03:58] <jimbohertz> equation but
[03:58] <jimbohertz> hey dude
[03:58] <jimbohertz> oh well
[03:58] <holstein> jimbohertz: like when you see a plane above, and then you hear it... or if youve ever been to a football game
[03:58] <jimbohertz> then latency has an effect on quality ?
[03:58] <jimbohertz> haha
[03:59] <holstein> jimbohertz: no
[03:59] <jimbohertz> never been to a football gave
[03:59] <holstein> jimbohertz: its the same sounds.. just later..
[03:59] <jimbohertz> but there are planes everyday going over my head
[03:59] <jimbohertz> airports bro
[03:59] <holstein> jimbohertz: the quality of the sound is the same.. just later
[03:59] <jimbohertz> everywhere
[03:59] <jimbohertz> ok but that sound has to be processed
[03:59] <jimbohertz> by the cpu
[03:59] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound
[03:59] <jimbohertz> and not to mention
[03:59] <jimbohertz> pulled from a storage
[03:59] <jimbohertz> solution
[04:00] <holstein> jimbohertz: correct.. this is *after* that latency
[04:00] <holstein> this is in the air.. 
[04:00] <jimbohertz> wtf
[04:00] <jimbohertz> that doesnt make sense
[04:00] <jimbohertz> its not playing while its being processed
[04:00] <jimbohertz> only after
[04:00] <holstein> jimbohertz: it leaves the computer, and travels to your ear
[04:00] <jimbohertz> hahaha
[04:00] <jimbohertz> thats an oversimplification
[04:00] <holstein> jimbohertz: its fact
[04:00] <jimbohertz> what is ?
[04:01] <holstein> jimbohertz: the latency of the computer.. *then* the latency of the travel to your ear
[04:01] <jimbohertz> but why are you telling me this ??
[04:01] <holstein> jimbohertz: im trying to have a factual conversation about latency.
[04:01] <jimbohertz> uh
[04:01] <jimbohertz> nah
[04:01] <holstein> latency, or timing
[04:01] <jimbohertz> do you play an instrument >
[04:01] <jimbohertz> ?
[04:01] <holstein> not, sound quality
[04:02] <holstein> yes
[04:02] <jimbohertz> which?
[04:02] <holstein> i play bass, mostly and guitar, professionally.. but, i play others
[04:02] <jimbohertz> or if you have know how to play
[04:02] <jimbohertz> ah
[04:02] <holstein> i studied percussion and play piano.. and others
[04:02] <jimbohertz> you play guitar professionally ? really ?
[04:02] <jimbohertz> in what scenario
[04:02] <holstein> mostly bass.. professionally.. but gutiar as well
[04:02] <holstein> do i play?
[04:02] <jimbohertz> professionally yes
[04:03] <holstein> whatever folks call for. i freelance
[04:03] <jimbohertz> ah
[04:03] <jimbohertz> alright
[04:03] <holstein> i have a few regular bands, and weeklys or whatever
[04:03] <jimbohertz> but you dont use low latency if you say record ?
[04:03] <jimbohertz> and use fx
[04:03] <holstein> jimbohertz: it depends on what im recording and how
[04:03] <jimbohertz> sure
[04:04] <holstein> jimbohertz: if im recording live, as i usually do, then what do i care about latency?
[04:04] <holstein> it makes no difference if the computer is 60ms behind everything equally
[04:04] <holstein> or 90.. or whatever
[04:04] <jimbohertz> but what kernel do you use ?
[04:04] <holstein> but, if i want to play a software synth or realtime effects from the machine, i will do more like 5ms
[04:05] <holstein> jimbohertz: i use whatever kernel works.. right now, the lowlatency works fine
[04:05] <holstein> i use the RT kernel from debian as well on some older installs
[04:05] <jimbohertz> yeah
[04:05] <holstein> i have used and tested the normal generic kernels
[04:05] <jimbohertz> simple to install thats cool
[04:05] <holstein> i have used and tested the ppa versions from kxstudio
[04:06] <jimbohertz> whats that >
[04:06] <jimbohertz> ?
[04:06] <holstein> i have used them with various audio equipment.. to see what works with what
[04:06] <holstein> jimbohertz: kxstudio? 
[04:06] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[04:06] <jimbohertz> woah
[04:06] <holstein> falk repackages for his custom distro
[04:07] <holstein> though, i just use stock 14.04 now.. i did use the ppa's in 10.04 and a version of 12.04 i was using
[04:07] <jimbohertz> whats good for designing synth ?
[04:07] <jimbohertz> like, most complete
[04:07] <holstein> "good" is a matter of opinion
[04:07] <holstein> yoshimi is nice.. but, i would ask in #opensourcemusicians
[04:07] <jimbohertz> ^^^
[04:07] <holstein> i do mostly analog
[04:07] <jimbohertz> ah i see
[04:08] <jimbohertz> but
[04:08] <jimbohertz> is there a software to create my own synth ?
[04:08] <jimbohertz> how does that work
[04:08] <jimbohertz> mmhh
[04:08] <jimbohertz> ill check #opensourcemusicians too
[04:08] <holstein> you likely want pd
[04:08] <jimbohertz> pd?
[04:08] <holstein> http://puredata.info/
[04:09] <jimbohertz> ah yes
[04:10] <jimbohertz> can people publish music and sell it using these software ?
[04:11] <holstein> can?
[04:11] <holstein> jimbohertz: there are no rules like that
[04:11] <holstein> jimbohertz: i do
[04:11] <jimbohertz> ah
[04:11] <jimbohertz> cool :)
[04:11] <jimbohertz> can i hear ?
[04:11] <holstein> sure.. http://holsteinmusic.com/
[04:11] <jimbohertz> ooo
[04:12] <jimbohertz> thats you ?
[04:12] <holstein> jimbohertz: thats my material, all created and produced in ubuntustuduio
[04:12] <jimbohertz> on the picture thats you ?
[04:12] <jimbohertz> so cool
[04:12] <holstein> i did it for the rpm challenge..
[04:13] <holstein> yes.. i did art, since i actually pressed physical copies
[04:13] <holstein> the label that i went with wasnt interested in making them :/
[04:13] <jimbohertz> ah
[04:13] <holstein> so, i pressed them myself. and they do digital distribution.. but, i do bandcamp on my own.. i like bandcamp
[04:13] <jimbohertz> i have to listen to it
[04:13] <jimbohertz> bandcamp is awesome
[04:15] <holstein> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wr2DxHbzEA other stuff
[04:22] <jimbohertz> recorded with ?
[04:23] <holstein> "open" i recorded with a tube mic.. an alesis groove tube tube mic.. into a presonus eureka pre.. into a presonus firewire interface
[04:23] <holstein> the guitar thing, i acutally recorded that on a handheld tascam and brought it into ubuntu
[04:23] <holstein> i just didnt have time and i needed it for a demo
[04:23] <jimbohertz> yeah i can hear the sound
[04:23] <holstein> you can "hear the sound"?
[04:23] <jimbohertz> ha
[04:24] <jimbohertz> haha XD
[04:24] <holstein> you mean, of the guitar?
[04:24] <jimbohertz> tascam
[04:24] <holstein> its a classical guitar, actually
[04:24] <holstein> its quite similar to that..
[04:24] <holstein> the handheld is actually quite a high quality
[04:24] <jimbohertz> what is it ?
[04:24] <jimbohertz> yeah it doesnt sound bad
[04:25] <holstein> i think its a dr-40?
[04:25] <holstein> its out on loan, or id confirmm.. but im pretty certain
[04:26] <jimbohertz> mmhh
[06:22] <cub> zequence: About the website, perhaps we could just make the meta text below the articles the same colour? I have made it a bit darker again, but as I have issues with changed css settings not being visible directly after I'm not sure which version I'm actually seeing.
[06:24] <cub> It shouldn't be related to the hosting site but I can't think of what is causing it otherwise. Anyhow, about the sidebar I agree, a bit dull. No great suggestions so far to spice it up, but I'll ping madeinkobaia who might have some good ideas.
[06:25] <cub> going be in training all day now so, see ya folks!
[09:12] <zequence> elfy: I was mostly going through the blueprints. Will draft up some wiki pages for some of them, so I can wrap things up
[15:11] <zequence_> OvenWerks: Sorry about calling you by half your last name on the mail list. I mix up names really easy.
[15:12] <zequence> OvenWerks: I would like for us to start using wiki pages for defining features from now on, and that we put bullets of features or tasts there first, before putting anything on blueprints
[15:13] <zequence> For blueprints, there may often not be much need for workitems, but it's good if we have established a definition of what we want to do first, before we start doing it, and I find the wiki is a much better place for that
[16:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: I can't think of any other way to have a DE agnostic setup, with our artwork, other than having a settings package for each DE, with DE specific overrides and settings
[16:26] <zequence> This is, if we care about default theming
[16:26] <zequence> We could also just install theming, and let the user change to it
[16:28] <zequence> However, don't think it would require all that much work just to change theming for each DE
[16:30] <zequence> Another possibility would be that we offer some of the other flavors a ubiquity plugin, which lets the user install Studio from any of their ISOs
[16:30] <zequence> Without our theming..
[16:31] <zequence> or, with, if they agree on names like "Xubuntu Studio", "Kubuntu Studio"..
[16:32] <zequence> Maybe for 16.04
[18:56] <cub> Just trying out hexchat after the discussion on the xubuntu-devel mailing list. Looks good, works fine and was easier to get Solarized than xchat, so I'm happy. I think we could consider using hexchat as a replacement for xchat as well.
[19:43] <cub> zequence, I settled on the grey on the website. Ok with you? If so, then I should upload and request a merge I suppose? But how is it going from launchpad to the actual server?
[20:48] <OvenWerks> zequence: +1 on the use of wiki for feature definition.
[20:51] <OvenWerks> zequence: Re: Studio artwork and theming... My thought is that needs to user/installer selectable.
[20:53] <zequence> cub: We create a rt ticket at http://rt.ubuntu.com
[20:54] <zequence> Canonical admins the actual server
[20:54] <OvenWerks> I think there will be users who just want a workfow from studio and have already selected a family picture, a cult symbol they like or a nature picture and really do not want that disturbed. We already muck with their menu and that makes it obvious that Studio is installed.
[20:55] <zequence> We should have theming as an option, if installing Studio on top of an existing flavor
[20:55] <OvenWerks> Certainly the backdrop file themself should be on the disk and available for those who want them.
[20:55] <zequence> User settings don't get disturbed though
[20:55] <OvenWerks> Right,
[20:56] <zequence> But things like plymoth and lightdm
[20:56] <OvenWerks> lightdm seems to use the user's setting these days.
[20:56] <zequence> Going to sleep. bb tomorrow
[20:57] <OvenWerks> plymouth should have a mix, I think. Something unique to each DE
[20:57] <OvenWerks> K, bye for now.