[01:07] <Unit193> And, I'll presume we're going to stick with 'maybe-ubiquity'?
[01:37] <Unit193> I should say my reasoning, too.   So yes it gives a prettier selection, but it does make it harder to get people to add boot options when there's a problem booting.
[02:23]  * pleia2 follows up
[06:21] <Noskcaj> afternoon elfy 
[06:21] <Noskcaj> Any idea if xfpm is stable enough for 14.10?
[06:22] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, same question to you
[06:25] <elfy> no idea 
[07:20] <ochosi> Noskcaj: if you're referring to 1.3.0, it still has a few quirks (some of them already ironed out in git) but it's at least as stable as 1.2.0 and we can then get rid of our patches
[07:20] <ochosi> so yeah, i'd say let's go for it
[07:21] <ochosi> furthermore, as i'm personally involved in making it stable, i think we'll make it really a lot better until 14.10 gets out
[07:24] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[07:27] <ochosi> morning elfy 
[07:38] <Noskcaj> ochosi, ok. thanks
[07:42] <ochosi> brb
[09:05] <Unit193> Well that's a hint if I ever saw one. ;)
[09:20] <ochosi> good news, i'm gonna make it for the meeting
[09:30] <elfy> meeting?
[09:30] <ochosi> isn't that today?
[09:30] <ochosi> in like 30mins
[09:30] <elfy> :)
[09:30] <elfy> yea it certainly is 
[09:30] <ochosi> good good
[09:33] <ochosi> brainwash: only to be sure, you said you were going to do a MR for the settings manager items showing up in whiskermenu?
[09:35] <Noskcaj> crap. meeting in 30 min? I'll try
[09:35] <elfy> so will I 
[09:36] <ochosi> !team | reminder: meeting in 25mins
[09:42] <ochosi> gah, i have a really serious lag here :/
[09:43] <elfy> that'll be ok - I'm running the meeting - it'll not be very quick 
[09:44] <ochosi> :>
[09:57] <Unit193> Anything super important for me to be here ?
[09:57] <elfy> not that I'm aware of
[09:59] <ochosi> Unit193: the specs at least
[09:59] <ochosi> either way, if you can make it, please stay, if not, nobody can force you ;=)
[09:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Looks like xfpm can be counted as verified.
[10:00] <elfy> #startmeeting
[10:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jun 25 10:00:55 2014 UTC.  The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[10:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[10:00] <ochosi> !team | meeting time!
[10:00] <elfy> ok - so who is here 
[10:00] <ochosi> o/
[10:00] <elfy> #chair elfy 
[10:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy
[10:01] <Noskcaj> o/
[10:01] <elfy> #topic Open action items
[10:01] <elfy> all we've got here are the 2 specs for Utopic 
[10:01] <elfy> #subtopic Inxi
[10:01] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Inxi
[10:02] <ochosi> right, i'm in favor of adding it to the default seed
[10:02] <elfy> I am too
[10:02] <ochosi> it's not really heavy and might help a lot with debugging issues
[10:02] <ochosi> so in a way, it seems like a no-brainer to me
[10:02] <Unit193> Only bad thing is lm-sensors.
[10:02] <ochosi> that's a depend?
[10:02] <ochosi> or a recommend?
[10:02] <ochosi> what's the downside of lm-sensors (apart from it not working for every hardware)?
[10:03] <Noskcaj> +1 to inxi, although some of it's depends could use a merge from debian
[10:03] <elfy> ochosi: seems to be a recommends
[10:03] <ochosi> Noskcaj: which ones specifically and why?
[10:04] <Unit193> ochosi: Runs an init script (only sets, so it's a oneshot not daemon)
[10:04] <Unit193> Noskcaj: ...It's sync'd from Debian...
[10:05] <Noskcaj> ochosi, lm-sensors is near always a bugfix release behind debian. I'm not sure it's an issue though
[10:05] <ochosi> i see, any other downsides that should be taken into account?
[10:06] <Unit193> People use it wrong? :P
[10:06] <ochosi> heh
[10:06] <ochosi> fine, we need to write some docs for it, is what you're saying i guess
[10:06] <ochosi> add it to the FAQ or xubuntu-docs
[10:06] <ochosi> slickymaster: thoughts on this ^ ?
[10:07] <Unit193> FAQ, docs I think would be way overkill.
[10:07] <ochosi> ok, suggestion: email to the mailinglist about inxi to give ppl a final opportunity to raise concerns
[10:07] <elfy> I'd agree with Unit193 
[10:08] <elfy> ochosi: yep - sounds good to me
[10:08] <ochosi> if there are no objections within a week, we add it to the seed
[10:08] <elfy> #action Unit193 to mail the devel list re inxi
[10:08] <meetingology> ACTION: Unit193 to mail the devel list re inxi
[10:08] <ochosi> Unit193: mind to write the email?
[10:08] <elfy> :p
[10:08] <ochosi> ah, heh, you're way ahead of me elfy :D
[10:08] <ochosi> (i think i said i have a laaaag here ;))
[10:08] <elfy> pardon?
[10:08] <elfy> :p
[10:09] <elfy> #subtopic Hexchat
[10:09] <elfy> so - while I'm generally in favour of us moving to hexchat from xchat - the 2 bugs I've reported for it are really quite annoying ;)
[10:10] <ochosi> right, i was originally simply in favor, i'd like to extend the scope of this discussion to s/xchat/pidgin/ for irc
[10:10] <elfy> 1 I reported, other was already reported at github
[10:10] <ochosi> what bugs exactly, elfy?
[10:10] <ochosi> (best #info them...)
[10:10] <elfy> #info https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/1030
[10:10] <elfy> #info https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/1008
[10:10] <ochosi> would you say those are blockers?
[10:11] <elfy> not sure tbh - xchat doesn't suffer from them
[10:11] <elfy> the window resizing issue has been marked as an enhancement - no idea what that means 
[10:11] <ochosi> right, but what other advantages does hexchat offer over xchat (apart from being actively developed)?
[10:11] <ochosi> Unit193: ^
[10:12] <ochosi> elfy: i guess it means it's not really considered a bug ;)
[10:12] <Noskcaj> I dislike pidgin for irc, but as long as #xubuntu is accessible with it, there's not that much point to having an irc client default. If we do go to hexchat though, i'd like someone to investigate some more xubuntu style theming for it (which is supported upstream)
[10:12] <Unit193> I was sold at "SASL", and I don't use GUI clients so other than that.
[10:12] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Everyone does, it has "security" leaks too.
[10:12] <elfy> what's the point in having pidgin?
[10:13] <ochosi> IM in general i guess
[10:13] <Unit193> To have a reason for -messsages?
[10:13] <elfy> Unit193: lol
[10:13] <ochosi> i feel our default app set is pretty much made to mirror what ppl used to have in e.g. winxp
[10:13] <Unit193> Or, pidgin is for torchat.
[10:14] <ochosi> i'm fine with reviewing that and considering alternatives, we have a few cycles to experiment now (as we have non-LTS releases ahead)
[10:14] <elfy> yep
[10:14] <ochosi> so i'm fine with trying to move away from xchat
[10:14] <ochosi> and "seeing what happens"
[10:14] <elfy> personally pidgin is one of the apps I use to make sure that testcases are written right only 
[10:15] <Unit193> Thought that was gmb...
[10:15] <elfy> one of the apps
[10:15] <ochosi> yeah, i never use either of them (pidgin, xchat)
[10:15] <Noskcaj> I've never used pidgin.
[10:15] <Noskcaj> Use hexchat a lot though
[10:15] <elfy> I used to use xchat - I use hexchat now - so having it would make life easier for me :)
[10:15] <ochosi> Noskcaj: what exactly did you mean with xubuntu styling btw?
[10:16] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, but you can still "have it" either way, we're really talking about the default for everybody...
[10:16] <elfy> yea I know ;)
[10:16] <ochosi> just sayin, that's a very common mixup
[10:16] <ochosi> s/we/i/ :)
[10:17] <Unit193> i're
[10:17] <ochosi> :)
[10:17] <elfy> If I was going to use one - I'd rather use the one that's actively being worked on
[10:17] <Noskcaj> ochosi, The hexchat default colours are really ugly and there are ways to set new icons and new colours in the config files
[10:17] <elfy> which is why *I* moved 
[10:17] <Noskcaj> Just extra xubuntu-isation we can add
[10:18] <ochosi> Noskcaj: ok, i guess we can look into that once we've settled on hexchat
[10:18] <Noskcaj> ok
[10:18] <ochosi> so what i take away from the discussion up to now is that few of us here use pidgin, so we need to probably try it practically to see whether it could simply be enough by default for irc access
[10:19] <ochosi> could also be that others in or around the team have used it more
[10:19] <ochosi> iirc ali1234 and bluesabre used it
[10:20] <ochosi> imo we should investigate this a bit more and extend the specification to include pidgin
[10:21] <elfy> having an IM and an IRC tool doesn't really hurt us imo
[10:21] <ochosi> Unit193: well those are valid concerns (the ones just raised in -ot), but this is only about the average user who uses one channel to get support
[10:22] <Unit193> I was joking around...
[10:22] <elfy> ochosi: well if the discussion is about the average user looking for support - the majority of those people turn up with webchat
[10:22] <elfy> and need neither pidgin or (he)xchat
[10:22] <ochosi> yeah, i guess we link them to webchat in the installer, no?
[10:23] <ochosi> i wonder whether we can add a link there to open pidgin instead
[10:23] <Unit193> And embed on the site.
[10:23] <elfy> and on xubuntu.org
[10:23] <ochosi> or even add a link on xubuntu.org to use pidgin as alternative to webchat
[10:23] <ochosi> although i'm not sure either way whether that'd improve things for anybody :)
[10:23] <elfy> :)
[10:24] <ochosi> anywho, while "it doesn't hurt" it seems that users aren't using our irc app so much then
[10:24] <elfy> well - seems that the do we or don't we is the first discussion we need to have - then the hexchat one
[10:25] <ochosi> do we / don't we what?
[10:25] <elfy> have either 
[10:25] <elfy> if we decide to only have pidgin any discussion on hexchat is pointless
[10:25] <ochosi> frankly, i guess i need to take those two apps for a spin to be able to seriously discuss them...
[10:25] <elfy> :)
[10:26] <ochosi> my input is not very experience-based
[10:26] <ochosi> so if you're fine with it, i'd like to carry this forward to the next meeting
[10:26] <elfy> yep 
[10:26] <ochosi> give ppl more time to test the apps
[10:26] <elfy> needs to go to m/l I guess so people know we want that input
[10:26] <elfy> who's going to do that
[10:27] <Unit193> Not it.
[10:27] <ochosi> always the one who asks? :D
[10:27] <elfy> #action ochosi To start pidgin/irc discussion on m/l 
[10:27] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi To start pidgin/irc discussion on m/l
[10:27] <ochosi> heh, fine fine
[10:27] <elfy> thanks ochosi :)
[10:28] <ochosi> ok, so moving along, i'd like to quickly discuss -core
[10:28] <elfy> #subtopic -core
[10:28] <elfy> go ahead :)
[10:29] <ochosi> well we discussed -core a while ago, it was approved and the idea was it was going to be tested (which is why i merged it into our seed)
[10:29] <ochosi> so status update elfy/Unit193?
[10:29] <elfy> I'm waiting for a go really, but we have discussed it off and on over the last couple of weeks
[10:30] <elfy> though I will say that the chances of getting much testing done is slim even if we ask 
[10:30] <ochosi> Unit193: ^ ?
[10:30] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, well actually starting with some testing by you would be quite valuable
[10:31] <elfy> yep
[10:31] <ochosi> as you're really experienced with testing, i'd tend to trust your feedback for shipping this initially
[10:31] <ochosi> it'll have to prove itself in real-word contexts then anyway
[10:31] <Unit193> ochosi, Kind of waiting on the seed changes for things to go, but we can do it now without the very slim version.  Yeah, I don't see a lot of testing happening either.
[10:31] <ochosi> s/word/world/
[10:31] <ochosi> it's not a huge problem though (slim testing), i think we can refine it until the next LTS
[10:31] <Unit193> Well, it's not like we're exactly shipping it.
[10:32] <ochosi> but without it being in the seed or an easy install option, it'll never get any testing
[10:32] <ochosi> so let's really move this along
[10:32] <ochosi> Unit193: what's needed exactly for the seed changes?
[10:33] <Unit193> ochosi, You can install it now with tasksel.
[10:33] <Unit193> ochosi, Remember, there was two ways to install, recommended and not so recommended. ;)
[10:34] <ochosi> right, is tasksel enough for you elfy?
[10:34] <elfy> probably
[10:34] <Unit193> ochosi, Also, for super slim, that'd need an xubuntu-meta upload.
[10:34] <ochosi> right, can you poke e.g. Logan_ or some other sponsor about that?
[10:35] <elfy> Unit193: if we liase on this before the next meeting we should have some sort of result 
[10:35] <ochosi> i've merged it already, so it's approved, i guess it just needs a sponsoring request
[10:35] <Unit193> ochosi, After we add inxi and maybe hex?
[10:35] <ochosi> right, if hexchat takes longer though, i wouldn't wanna wait for that
[10:35] <Unit193> elfy, Sure?  Whatever works.
[10:35] <ochosi> it's not like we have to limit ourselves *so much* with uploads
[10:36] <Unit193> Well, get the one change in?
[10:36] <Unit193> ochosi, Since we have no uploaders that are active?  Kind of do.
[10:36] <ochosi> actually we got a lot of things sponsored last cycle
[10:36] <ochosi> i mean, *lots* of uploads
[10:36] <ochosi> i don't see us having that kinda throughput ahead this cycle
[10:37] <ochosi> simply look at how empty most of our blueprints are
[10:37] <elfy> yep
[10:37] <Unit193> Alright...
[10:37] <ochosi> so let's give it a week for inxi and then move along with inxi+core
[10:37] <ochosi> i mean for a xubuntu-meta upload
[10:38] <ochosi> elfy: can you take this down in trello plz?
[10:38] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 64 link
[10:38] <xubutrello> https://trello.com/c/nZWgYTb2/64-xubuntu-core-call
[10:39] <ochosi> uuh, the trellobot magician enters the stage :)
[10:40] <elfy> added a card for inxi
[10:40] <ochosi> ty
[10:41] <elfy> anything else for -core ?
[10:41] <ochosi> no, i guess we just need to make sure to move this along
[10:41] <ochosi> i really want it in 14.10
[10:41] <elfy> ok - moving on then ?
[10:41] <Unit193> It's already in. :P
[10:41] <Unit193> Yes, please.
[10:41] <ochosi> actually one more thing, "somebody" should add an FAQ entry for it
[10:41] <elfy> for -xore?
[10:42] <ochosi> yup
[10:42] <elfy> awesome typo lol
[10:42] <ochosi> :)
[10:42] <Unit193> If it's words, I'm a bad idea.
[10:42] <elfy> doc guy then :)
[10:42] <ochosi> :)
[10:42] <elfy> #action slickymaster Add core information to FAQ
[10:42] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster Add core information to FAQ
[10:42] <ochosi> yeah, let's add another trello card for that (or a comment to the -core trello card)
[10:43] <elfy> added that to existing card - added docs label
[10:44] <ochosi> ty
[10:44] <elfy> #topic Team Updates
[10:44] <elfy> #info Testing is very quiet, little action happening at all
[10:44] <elfy> but again that's not just us :)
[10:45] <Unit193> I ran a quick, live only testcase.
[10:45] <ochosi> #info ochosi is working towards replacing light-locker-settings with settings in xfce4-power-manager. Might or might not happen for 14.10 though.
[10:45] <elfy> yea - I've done a few lives/installs in vm
[10:46] <elfy> not sure we'll get more team updates then :)
[10:46] <ochosi> so how're things?
[10:46] <ochosi> i mean in a live session?
[10:46] <elfy> the odd syslinux bug is gone atm 
[10:46] <ochosi> iirc we still have a few blockers ahead (that also affect debian), like upower0.99
[10:46] <ochosi> but i guess upower hasn't been updated yet?
[10:47] <elfy> 0.9.23-2ubun here
[10:47] <ochosi> yup, that's the old one then
[10:47] <ochosi> i think mostly xfce4-session is blocking upower0.99 atm
[10:47] <ochosi> systemd still hasn't happened i presume?
[10:48] <elfy> I think that we can safely forget about systemd happening default this cycle at least
[10:48] <ochosi> right
[10:48] <ochosi> less problems ahead then i gues
[10:48] <ochosi> s
[10:49] <Unit193> Mhmm, still can have fun with it. :P  (Just not too much, gone there myself.)
[10:49] <elfy> I run it - only had one issue with it - nvidia-prime update fails each time 
[10:49] <ochosi> btw, has anybody looked at xwayland or xmir at all?
[10:49] <elfy> not here
[10:50] <ochosi> #info bluesabre is preparing to apply for upload-rights to the xubuntu package-set
[10:50] <Unit193> \o/
[10:50] <elfy> \o/
[10:50] <elfy> ha 
[10:50] <ochosi> :)
[10:51] <elfy> anything else?
[10:51] <Unit193> Due dates?
[10:52] <elfy> are there any?
[10:53] <ochosi> not sure, Unit193 ?
[10:53] <elfy> I'll be calling next week for the next package test set 
[10:54] <Unit193> Hah: June 19th :FeatureDefinitionFreeze
[10:54] <Unit193> xubutrello: due soon
[10:54] <xubutrello>   ->  1. Suite C call (id: 17) due: 2014-06-30 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10
[10:54] <xubutrello>   ->  2. add inxi to seed then xubuntu-meta upload  (id: 77) due: 2014-07-03 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10
[10:54] <xubutrello>   ->  3. Check Suite C testcases (id: 75) due: 2014-06-26 11:00:00 UTC from list: Doing 14.10
[10:54] <ochosi> yeah, even if we don't care about that freeze, i guess it's a good point
[10:55] <ochosi> we should really work towards finalizing our blueprints/trello-cards
[10:55] <elfy> ochosi: are you going to do what knome did re blueprints - eg grab team leads and check?
[10:56] <elfy> should be pretty easy this cycle I guess
[10:56] <ochosi> yeah
[10:56] <elfy> do I need to action it?
[10:56] <ochosi> i think i'd want the release team to ack them
[10:56] <elfy> that makes sense
[10:56] <ochosi> #action Team leads should try to finalize their blueprints for Utopic until the next meeting (in two weeks) so the release-team can ack them.
[10:56] <meetingology> ACTION: Team leads should try to finalize their blueprints for Utopic until the next meeting (in two weeks) so the release-team can ack them.
[10:57] <ochosi> we can always grant exceptions if ppl aren't ready until then, but we should really try to get out of the post-LTS depression/lethargy :)
[10:57] <elfy>  :)
[10:57] <elfy> ok - so moving along so Unit193 can not sleep ?
[10:58] <ochosi> heh
[10:58] <ochosi> yeah
[10:58] <ochosi> i guess i also have to take off
[10:58] <elfy> #topic Discussion
[10:58] <elfy> is there anything here - or did we just do that :p
[10:58] <elfy> taking that as a no
[10:59] <elfy> #topic Schedule next meeting 
[10:59] <elfy> #action ochosi up to set the next meeting
[10:59] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi up to set the next meeting
[10:59] <elfy> #endmeeting
[10:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 11:00:32 2014 UTC.  
[10:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-25-10.00.moin.txt
[11:00] <elfy> thanks everyone 
[11:00] <Unit193> Not sure if you were here when I said it, but actually keeping up with trello now.
[11:01] <elfy> I read it I think :)
[11:01] <elfy> and I assume the 'hint' comment was you being added to one :p
[11:02] <Unit193> Yeeeep.
[11:02] <elfy> :)
[11:11] <bluesabre> ah, darn it, forgot about the meeting
[11:11] <bluesabre> :(
[11:16] <elfy> logs are up 
[11:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: so, I can mark them "verification-done" then?
[11:26] <Unit193> Well, the one I'd say so.
[11:33] <bluesabre> ok
[11:33] <bluesabre> ochosi, updated my application
[11:35] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks, marked lls and xfpm as verification-done since they are both part of the same fix
[11:36] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbabl
[12:14] <ochosi> elfy: sorry, had some network outage, luckily only when the meeting was already over...
[12:15] <elfy> :)
[13:20] <Unit193> xfce4-panel (NEW) 4.11.1-1 uploaded to experimental by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[13:23] <ochosi> Unit193: ah nice, can we sync that to utopic or will that happen automatically anyway?
[13:23] <Unit193> ochosi: Jackson did the merge on the 23rd.
[13:23] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/4.11.1-0ubuntu1
[13:25] <Unit193> ...And I already PPA'd it for trusty. ;)
[13:30] <ochosi> ah cool
[13:30] <ochosi> where?
[13:31] <Unit193> ppa:unit193/xfce
[13:31] <ochosi> (you really should ping me or bluesabre about this so we can copy the pkg to the staging PPA and then inform elfy to get at least some testing going)
[13:31] <Unit193> Uhh, this isn't a testing thing?  Just personal.
[13:33] <ochosi> this is something that could be considered for SRU to trusty
[13:34] <ochosi> so it's *not* "just personal"
[13:35] <ochosi> either way, i have to run now...
[13:35] <Unit193> Oh, well.  Never thought it'd be SRU stuff.
[13:35] <ochosi> but let's please keep 4.11 releases that fix bugs on the radar and get them ready for SRUs to trusty
[13:35] <Unit193> Noted that your interested in new bug fixes.
[13:35] <Unit193> 're
[13:36] <ochosi> i'd personally really love it if we could keep trusty's xfce kinda updated and in the end move 14.04.x to 4.12
[13:36] <ochosi> bbl
[13:56] <GridCube> how secure is to migrate options from xchat to hexchat? i mean, i have to recreate all my credentials, all my networks and channels settings?
[13:56] <GridCube> or can i just copy paste some files from the .xchat folder?
[13:59] <elfy> GridCube: I copied .xchat to .hexchat and then started it up
[14:01] <GridCube> welp, it doesnt like to use my proxy settings 
[14:02] <GridCube> and thats as far as i can test them :)
[14:14] <GridCube> well :P i tried using only hexchat all the ways i could think and it did not wanted to use my proxy
[15:01] <GridCube_> well, well, well, would you look at this, if i use the default irc.ubuntu.com/8001 port to connect from hexchat it does work
[15:02] <GridCube_> but the irc.freenode.com/6001 or whatevs do not
[15:04] <Unit193> 6697 or 6667?
[15:05] <GridCube_> sure i guess
[15:53] <GridCube> Unit193, in regard to your question in the specifications, can it be added a new server, irc.ubuntu.com/8001 like xchat has, with the default channels for that server being the recognized flavours? (as http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives)
[15:53] <GridCube> that would be 8 default channels for the server and any user from other flavour will be able to choose the channel they want :)
[16:02]  * Unit193 doesn't know.
[18:31] <knome> Unit193, oh mi god color
[18:31] <Unit193> :D
[18:31] <Unit193> knome: I gots in trouble for it. :3
[20:39] <Noskcaj> Should we be trying to get xfce added to the MRE list?
[20:42]  * elfy hates acronyms to start with
[20:51] <Noskcaj> Micro Release Exception. Pretty much all xfce microreleases could be SRUed whenever they come out
[20:52] <elfy> thanks Noskcaj :)
[20:52] <Noskcaj> np
[20:52] <elfy> :)
[20:53] <elfy> Noskcaj: logs of the meeting went up by the way
[20:53] <Noskcaj> i'll check the second half of it then
[20:53]  * elfy is glad he gets a long rest from chairing those
[21:31] <ochosi> Noskcaj: that sounds like it makes sense
[21:31] <ochosi> especially as xfce is mostly micro-releases these days :p
[21:36] <Noskcaj> I'll try and get it added then.
[21:38] <ochosi> thanks Noskcaj!
[21:38] <ochosi> that means more or less automerge from debian as soon as 4.11 releases come out?
[21:54] <Noskcaj> ochosi, yep. Pretty much we can SRU any microreleases as long as they still have their basic functions working
[21:58] <ochosi> sounds good to my ears
[21:59] <Unit193> But chances of getting it...
[22:02] <elfy> will get better as we have people who can do things for us?
[22:07] <ochosi> i guess so
[22:07] <ochosi> otoh having an uploader also means having half a developer less
[22:08] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I think we've got an ok chance. Active testing team, and gnome and kde both have MREs already
[22:09] <Unit193> Ah, ok.
[22:40] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, that would be awesome
[22:42] <elfy> would be even awesomer when you're one of the "people who can do things for us?" :)
[22:42] <bluesabre> elfy, working on that
[22:42] <elfy> I know :)
[22:42] <bluesabre> :)
[22:42] <elfy> I'd comment - but wouldn't mean much :(
[22:43] <bluesabre> you're the qa lead, surely that accounts for something :D
[22:43] <ochosi> evening bluesabre 
[22:43] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi, comments? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication
[22:43] <ochosi> for quality? :)
[22:43] <ochosi> yeah, sry, was out all day...
[22:43] <ochosi> (after the meeting that is)
[22:43] <bluesabre> its cool, I was too
[22:43] <bluesabre> and missed the meeting 
[22:43] <ochosi> but yeah, i'll get right to it
[22:43] <bluesabre> :D
[22:44] <elfy> I could comment I guess
[22:44] <elfy> certainly haven't got any reason to NOT do so 
[22:45] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, do you know if there is a similar policy for updates that are *only* translations? I would imagine those can sidestep the SRU procedures
[22:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: When's your meeting?
[22:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: haven't scheduled one yet, was hoping to collect some key comments before poking
[23:00] <knome> bluesabre, i'll try to schedule some time for that tomorrow
[23:00] <bluesabre> knome, thanks :D
[23:55] <ochosi> just so you don't wonder, i'll be moving the day after tomorrow, so until monday or tuesday, i'll only be available very occasionally
[23:56] <ochosi> after that, i should be back on a more stable basis
[23:56] <ochosi> meanwhile, good night and good luck everyone :)