[00:00] <ilhami> now I can watch videos on youtube :D
[00:00] <holstein> ilhami: i am literally watching youtube in xfce on 14.04 right this minute.. but i do so, usig the most recent flash software
[00:01] <ilhami> it didnt work before :D
[00:01] <holstein> ilhami: what didnt work for you? frien?
[00:01] <holstein> friend*
[00:01] <holstein> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[00:02] <holstein> you can either install chrome, or install and use chromium and add the package above.. sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[00:02] <holstein> or, try opting into html5 https://www.youtube.com/html5
[00:04] <holstein> you can use https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ to reference factually which version you are using
[01:21] <ironhoof> We tried installing the xubuntu-desktop package on a previous install, know thats not the most preferable method, but anyway in the login screen, we got no access to xfce to login to it
[01:22] <ironhoof> Is there a way to get it to show up?
[01:22] <holstein> ironhoof: yes..
[01:22] <holstein> ironhoof: did you "try", or have you actually in some way installed xfce?
[01:22] <ironhoof> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:23] <ironhoof> that way exactly its in
[01:24] <holstein> ironhoof: and im assuming you had ubuntu? main ubuntu? 14.04?
[01:24] <ironhoof> kubuntu actually
[01:24] <holstein> so, in main ubuntu, in the login screen, when you are out at the login, at boot.. where you choose or enter your name, you see a little ubuntu sign, where you can click and select xfce or ubuntu
[01:25] <ironhoof> k one sec, i thought it was under the gear icon..
[01:25] <holstein> ironhoof: should be as easy as, in a terminal, running sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm .. something like http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html to get lightdm.. if you want
[01:26] <holstein> ironhoof: i dont use kdm, but kde kubuntu would be.. it'll be a matter of finding xfce/xubuntu where kdm lists the sessions.. or, switch to lightdm
[01:27] <ironhoof> ok, yea we got that lightdm by default it seems, im not too familiar ith that yet* First install i seen it on
[01:30] <ironhoof> ok, okay gdm worked!, excellent, thanks a bunch!
[02:23] <peyam> Hi
[02:23] <peyam> I really need help
[02:24] <peyam> I installed xubuntu 14.04 on my thinkpad e330
[02:24] <peyam> Everytime i start it it shows no panel. Only mouse is shown and cant right click
[02:24] <peyam> I dont know where this issue is from
[02:25] <peyam> Appritiate any help
[02:27] <holstein> peyam: i woudl try the guest account
[02:27] <peyam> And?
[02:28] <peyam> I have many thing in my home folder. Will they be accesable from the guest acount?
[02:28] <holstein> peyam: if things are OK in the guest account, that tells me its likely any issue with my user config.. if not, its likely a larger system issue
[02:28] <peyam> Im one week behind my project becouse of this. :(
[02:29] <holstein> peyam: i doubt that
[02:29] <peyam> Holstein. It suspect two things. One is tlp power management and second is the librarys i downloaded to make android emulator work
[02:30] <peyam> Installed*
[02:30] <holstein> peyam: ok. sounds like a great troubleshooting plan.. how abot the guest account?
[02:31] <peyam> I dont know yet. The pc is shutted down. I put everything in my dropbox so i can install xubuntu again
[02:31] <peyam> And one more thing . Can bleachbit make troubles? I use it alot
[02:31] <holstein> ok. then, i'll leave you to it and stop wasting time with troubleshooting ideas
[02:32] <holstein> peyam: do you add a ppa for it?
[02:32] <peyam> No
[02:32] <peyam> I did install it from usc
[02:32] <holstein> then, if its not officially supported, and can break things...
[02:33] <holstein> im not saying its causing issues. im just saying, i dont use it.. and my system is OK
[02:33] <peyam> Ubuntu software center =usc.  Sorry im on my mobile
[02:33] <peyam> I will do a clean install and return to this channel later
[02:34] <peyam> Holstein. I have ocd and want my system as clean as possible :(
[02:34] <holstein> peyam: xubuntu, nor anyone  is preventing that
[02:35] <peyam> Do u recommend not using it?
[02:35] <holstein> peyam: i would have a frozen system in that case.. or just run it live.. and not even have one..
[02:35] <peyam> Its so difficult for me. :(
[02:35] <holstein> peyam: no.. im recommending that you have a clean system
[02:35] <peyam> But is bleachbit a good thing?
[02:35] <holstein> lots of folks consider functional to be "clean"... or at least sleek
[02:35] <holstein> peyam: "good" is a matter of opinion
[02:36] <peyam> You are so political
[02:36] <peyam> What is enough clean in ur oponion?
[02:36] <holstein> peyam: thats just a fact, friend... if you want what bleachbit doest, you'll need it
[02:36] <peyam> Hmm true
[02:37] <holstein> i just dont do "dirty" things..
[02:37] <peyam> Hmm
[02:37] <peyam> I will do a clean install. Thanks
[08:30] <xubuntu365> just  Testing mobile access
[08:31] <xubuntu365> quit
[10:56] <xnikos> hi,I have problem getting xubuntu 14.04 to boot. could anyone help?
[11:40] <sveta> xnikos, if you ask
[11:40] <sveta> how far does it get
[11:41] <xnikos> My system is a laptop with  Intel Pentium M processor 1.30GHz - 2Gb RAM.I first tried the live CD,which worked just fine,so then I installed xubuntu alongside with Win 7,giving 10gb for the new partition to the installation.I had to use the "forcepae" command since my kernel propably is not pae-enabled.The installation process went just fine,but after reboot I get: error: no such partition. Entering rescue mode... grub rescue>
[11:42] <xnikos> Offcourse I had to restore the old mbr to boot into win7. Through live CDs,the partition(ext4) looks OK.
[11:46] <xnikos> maybe this helps: paste.ubuntu.com/7630007/
[11:57] <poeticrpm> xnikos, ill have to look through your pastebin, but did you verify the partition UUID is the same as whats listed in grub.cfg and fstab?
[12:00] <xnikos> No,where are these files?I even run boot-repair with no results.
[12:02] <poeticrpm> xnikos: do you have multiple drives hooked up when you boot?
[12:03] <poeticrpm> it looks right to me
[12:03] <xnikos> No,just one drive,two partitions
[12:04] <poeticrpm> grub is pointing to hd0,msdos5, and xubu is installed on /dev/sda5, which is the same. UUIDs match. This is a grub error- its not that Xubuntu wont boot- its that grub isnt even finding the Xubuntu partition
[12:07] <poeticrpm> xnikos, are you in a live environment now?
[12:07] <xnikos> Yes I can understand this.few years ago I had ubuntu with XP and worked fine.
[12:07] <xnikos> NO I'm in win7
[12:08] <poeticrpm> xnikos: hmmm.. that makes things harder since you cant chroot and you cant use stuff like fdisk, blkid, etc
[12:08] <elfy> xnikos: have you tried reinstalling grub in live session?
[12:08] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_the_LiveCD_terminal
[12:09] <poeticrpm> xnikos: your problem likely has to do with the hd0,msdos5 part- the UUIDs match, so likely what was /dev/sda5 on the livecd is something else on the actual hard drive
[12:09] <poeticrpm> elfy: its been a long long LONG time since Ive seen you around. I am otherwise known as GSF1200S
[12:10] <elfy> hi :)
[12:10] <poeticrpm> whats up :) Its only been like 4-5 years lol
[12:10] <elfy> good to see you :)
[12:10] <poeticrpm> likewise
[12:11] <xnikos> I can come back in 5 minutes from puppy linux  cd or from liveCD xubuntu,which worked fine
[12:11] <xnikos> would that help?
[12:11] <poeticrpm> xubuntu cd would be preferable.
[12:12] <poeticrpm> then you can follow the guide above to chroot in and use grub to generate a new grub,cfg
[12:12] <xnikos> ok give me 2 minutes
[12:12] <poeticrpm> ping me and Ill give you the link again
[12:26] <meek_geek> hi
[12:26] <poeticrpm> hi meek_geek
[12:26] <poeticrpm> xnikos: you on Xubuntu live cd?
[12:27] <xnikos> yes
[12:27] <poeticrpm> ok, open a terminal and run this:
[12:27] <poeticrpm> sudo fdisk -l
[12:27] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, sup
[12:27] <poeticrpm> then copy the results to a pastebin and give me the link
[12:29] <meek_geek> How can i utilize extra ram to speed up the system ?
[12:29] <poeticrpm> meek_geek, linux is already great with ram. It should utilize it well by default
[12:30] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: you can check out swapiness
[12:30] <meek_geek> the real problem is my APU
[12:30] <meek_geek> its ancient and low powered
[12:30] <meek_geek> ready to die
[12:30] <poeticrpm> meek_geek, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness
[12:31] <xnikos> http://pastebin.com/PDkvrby3
[12:31] <poeticrpm> if you set swappiness to 0, linux will only use disk when the computer is near out of ram
[12:31] <poeticrpm> xnikos: run the following commands:
[12:31] <meek_geek> Oh
[12:31] <poeticrpm> mkdir /mnt/xubuntu
[12:31] <meek_geek> I don't have a swap partition
[12:32] <poeticrpm> mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/xubuntu
[12:32] <poeticrpm> (xnikos: run these as root)
[12:32] <xnikos> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/mnt/xubuntu’: Permission denied
[12:33] <poeticrpm> xnikos: you need to run these as root
[12:33] <poeticrpm> so do this:
[12:33] <poeticrpm> sudo mkdir /mnt/xubuntu
[12:33] <poeticrpm> sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/xubuntu
[12:33] <poeticrpm> then do:
[12:34] <poeticrpm> sudo mount -t proc none /mnt/xubuntu/proc
[12:34] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, if i set it to 0 then i need to reset ?
[12:34] <xnikos> mount: mount point /mnt/xubuntu does not exist
[12:34] <poeticrpm> sudo mount --rbind /sys /mnt/xubuntu/sys
[12:34] <poeticrpm> xnikos: you need to create a directory as root. did you put sudo in front
[12:35] <xnikos> no
[12:35] <poeticrpm> meek_geek, im not sure as I dont change swappiness myself. A reboot should definitely take the new value into account
[12:35] <poeticrpm> xnikos: forget the above, run the following commands I write in order
[12:35] <poeticrpm> sudo mkdir /mnt/xubuntu
[12:36] <poeticrpm> sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/xubuntu
[12:36] <poeticrpm> sudo mount -t proc none /mnt/xubuntu/proc
[12:36] <poeticrpm> sudo mount --rbind /sys /mnt/xubuntu/sys
[12:36] <poeticrpm> sudo mount --rbind /dev /mnt/xubuntu/dev
[12:36] <poeticrpm> sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/xubuntu/etc/resolv.conf
[12:37] <poeticrpm> sudo chroot /mnt/xubuntu /bin/bash
[12:37] <poeticrpm> source /etc/profile
[12:37] <poeticrpm> let me know when you got those done :)
[12:38] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, but my swap is always at 0 percent
[12:38] <meek_geek> anyways
[12:38] <meek_geek> how would it help ?
[12:39] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: it wouldnt really unless you started using a lot of things (it would then keep using memory until it runs out as opposed to using swap, which is slow)
[12:39] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: how much ram do you have, what proc does the computer have, and what is your hard drive / ssd?
[12:40] <xnikos> http://pastebin.com/HEVgx5kC
[12:40] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, I have 6 gigs ram on 1ghz dual core APU, only 20 percent ram is used with all my application used at a given time
[12:40] <xnikos> http://pastebin.com/HEVgx5kC
[12:40] <meek_geek> i use a HDD 5400
[12:41] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: im sorry man. This is what happens when I do two things at once. Worst multitasker ever. If you dont have a swap partition, then swappiness has no effect. sorry for wasting your time
[12:41] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, no problem dont be sorry at all thanks for even reading and replying
[12:42] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: the only other thing I know of is to change the task scheduler by compiling your own kernel, but thats a waste too since you have a HDD. Thats usually only benefiical when you use an SSD
[12:42] <poeticrpm> xnikos: run the following commands:
[12:42] <poeticrpm> sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
[12:42] <poeticrpm> crap
[12:42] <poeticrpm> scratch that
[12:42] <poeticrpm> dont run that- you dont need sudo
[12:42] <poeticrpm> run the following:
[12:42] <poeticrpm> grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
[12:42] <poeticrpm> update-grub
[12:42] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, ok a low powered APU on a netbook how much would a SSD benefit me ?
[12:43] <poeticrpm> then give me a pastebin of what it says xnikos
[12:43] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: going from a 5400rpm to an SSD drive would be night and day. Way faster in every way
[12:44] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: this is due mainly to seek time. A hard drive is slow in that it takes time for the head to move to the right position and then has to wait for the disk to spin around to where the head is (where the data is contained on the platter)
[12:44] <poeticrpm> an ssd drive removes this wait
[12:44] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, If i buy one for my laptop can I assemble it in a future desktop build as my laptop would prolly die in a yrs as its already half-dead system, i run a laptop without screen with an external display lol
[12:45] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: yes, depending on what ssd drive and what motherboard the new system has
[12:45] <xnikos> http://pastebin.com/FAtVQ9vj
[12:45] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: you need to find out if your current netbook has a SATA hard drive
[12:45] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, it has
[12:46] <poeticrpm> and you need to make sure the SSD drive is backwards compatible with sata 2 or sata 1 (they usually are but make sure)
[12:47] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: you want a sata 3 capable SSD drive that is backwards compatible enough to work in your netbook. Then you can just pull the SSD, wipe, and put in your new system
[12:47] <meek_geek> ya
[12:47] <poeticrpm> xnikos: looking
[12:47] <meek_geek> ok
[12:47] <meek_geek> poeticrpm, any value for money SSD that you recommend ?
[12:48] <poeticrpm> xnikos: the only crappy thing is that I dont see windows mentioned. You can try rebooting and Xubuntu might work, but you would have to do whatever you did before to get windows working again. Im not sure why it doesnt see your windows install.
[12:49] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: to be honest, I havent been in the market for 2 years since I bought my SSD drive, and it changes so fast that what I know model wise is already obsolete
[12:50] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: heard some guy talking today about an intel-730 ssd drive, but im not sure it would even work with the motherboard in your netbook
[12:50] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: before dropping the cash, I would ask in toms hardware forum giving them the SSDs youre considering and the make/model of your netbook
[12:51] <poeticrpm> xnikos: it appears to have worked, but I dont see why the install CD wouldnt manage the same result. Be prepared for it not to work. It doesnt really make sense since the UUIDs and /dev labels match
[12:51] <poeticrpm> it should have worked
[12:52] <poeticrpm> if you want to try, ill wait until I hear from you xnikos
[12:52] <meek_geek> ok I would do that
[12:53] <poeticrpm> meek_geek: yeah man, thats the best I can do on the SSD without tons of research that you might be better suited to do :)
[12:53] <xnikos> ok I'll try it,thank you so much
[12:53] <poeticrpm> xnikos: you coming back?
[12:53] <poeticrpm> ill be around if so
[12:53] <xnikos> yes,I'll come back one way or another
[12:53] <poeticrpm> alright
[12:54] <poeticrpm> c u then
[13:02] <ochosi> what would be a good (or: the best) way to install chrome in 14.04?#
[13:02] <poeticrpm> whats wrong with chromium?
[13:03] <poeticrpm> ochosi ^
[13:06] <ochosi> it seems a bit buggy in 14.04, and since i never tried chrome on linux, i'm considering it now
[13:07] <poeticrpm> ochosi: you can try this link: http://www.howopensource.com/2011/10/install-google-chrome-in-ubuntu-11-10-11-04-10-10-10-04/
[13:07] <poeticrpm> it seems to have a google addy for the repo
[13:08] <poeticrpm> I will never be able to understand why anyone likes google chrome :P
[13:08] <poeticrpm> hopeless firefox nut I guess
[13:09] <ochosi> wow, that guide is from 2011 :)
[13:09] <ochosi> it's less about googling for an answer, i did that myself, was just wondering whether there are chrome users here who wanted to share their personal approach
[13:09] <ochosi> thanks anyhow, poeticrpm
[13:10] <poeticrpm> ochosi: yeah sorry, firefox guy here :P PPAs are usually how to get things that arent in repos. Good luck :)
[13:10] <poeticrpm> I kind of dont like the PPA setup. I prefer how Arch does it with its AUR
[13:11] <poeticrpm> xnikos: did it work?
[13:11] <xnikos> no I get the same: error: no such partition. Entering rescue mode... grub rescue>
[13:11] <Unit193> ochosi: Download deb, install deb, repos are added.
[13:12] <xnikos> when I shut down some errors came out,can I send you a photo somehow?
[13:13] <poeticrpm> xnikos: ??? I dont see why then. Best bet is to post on the forums and someone smarter than me can help you. Make sure to include your grub.cfg and the results from sudo fdisk -l
[13:13] <poeticrpm> xnikos: gonna be pretty hard to do that
[13:14] <poeticrpm> I looked at your grub.cfg and fdisk printout- everything seemed right. The only thing I can think of is that somehow your partition order changes when you boot off disk vs livecd
[13:14] <poeticrpm> but you only have 1 disk, so that shouldnt happen
[13:15] <xnikos> unmounting temporary filesystems.....fail
[13:16] <xnikos> unmounting local  filesystems.....fail
[13:16] <poeticrpm> thats when shutting down from the livecd right?
[13:16] <xnikos> yes right
[13:17] <poeticrpm> dont worry about that
[13:17] <xnikos> can it be a "PAE"thing
[13:17] <poeticrpm> Your best bet is to post in the Ubuntu forums. Include the livecd results of sudo fdisk -l and your grub.cfg
[13:18] <poeticrpm> xnikos: I dont think so- your error is basically saying grub cant find the specified partition. That is to say, its not even getting to try and load the kernel since it cant find the partition the kernel is installed on. This is a grub problem
[13:18] <xnikos> OK,thank you so much
[13:19] <poeticrpm> usually that means that the UUIDs are wrong or the hd0,msdos5 part is wrong, but at least according to the fdisk output you gave and whats in grub.cfg, its right.
[13:20] <poeticrpm> and then we tried reinstalling grub to the mbr and we tried updating grub with dev and sys bound to the chroot- should have fixed whatever I missed. Yet, you still have the same problem. Im afraid this is something the forums will have to sort
[13:20] <poeticrpm> xnikos: sorry I couldnt help
[13:22] <xnikos> OK,I'll look to ubuntu forums too,thank you so much again!
[13:23] <poeticrpm> np
[14:00] <akis> hi all. although 12.04 can recognize my onboard wireless card fo my lenovo netbook and works properly for years, live 14.04 cannot find the same card. any idea on this issue?
[14:03] <akis> hi all. although 12.04 can recognize my onboard wireless card fo my lenovo netbook and works properly for years, live 14.04 cannot find the same card. any idea on this issue?
[14:09] <baizon> akis: yes, use the oss drivers :)
[14:09] <baizon> fixed the problem for me
[14:09] <baizon> akis: http://itsfoss.itsfoss.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Additional-Drivers-For-Ubuntu-13.04.jpeg
[14:09] <baizon> it has to look like this
[14:12] <akis> baizon: why does this happen?
[14:12] <baizon> akis: no support driver driver vendors
[14:12] <baizon> hmm, i ment... no/bad support from driver vendros
[14:12] <baizon> sorry for misspell :(
[14:13] <akis> baizon: yea, but it was supproted on 12.04!
[14:13] <baizon> akis: yes, because 12.04 uses the older ones :)
[14:15] <akis> baizon: sure, but they were supposed to include older ones on new version. anyway, do i have to choose broadcom 802.11 wireless driver to make my card work?
[14:15] <baizon> akis: same as on the screenshot
[14:16] <baizon> akis: no, because they are supported by the wifi vendor, and if he doesnt include older ones (because of stability etc.) ubuntu cant do it either because the are close sourced
[14:16] <akis> baizon: on screnshot there is this option but it has been choosed the "do not use this device" option!\
[14:16] <baizon> akis: yes do not use it
[14:17] <baizon> then the oss driver will be used
[14:17] <akis> baizon: ok. developers know better!
[14:17] <baizon> it depends :)
[14:17] <baizon> change driver, reboot and it should work :)
[14:19] <akis> baizon: nooo!. i have to use it! i check it and the system load something on background and now the wifi works!
[14:19] <baizon> ?
[14:21] <akis> baizon: i am in live option. any way you helped me so much. i found the solution for this issue and now i know what to do when i will install the new OS.
[14:21] <baizon> ok :)
[14:21] <baizon> and what is the solution?
[14:22] <akis> baizon: the solution as fas i understood is to choose the alternative driver, isn't it?
[14:22] <baizon> yes it is
[14:22] <baizon> ah, so my solution worked?
[14:23] <akis> yep. do you think the same will happen with lubuntu 14.04 as the core is the same? i am asking you because i didn't decide if i will proceed with xubuntu or lubuntu.
[14:24] <baizon> yes i think so
[14:24] <baizon> well, I'm pretty sure the solution will be the same :)
[14:24] <akis> i have the same opinion.
[14:25] <akis> my ram is just 1gb so maybe i will switch form xubuntu 12.04 to a clean installation of lubuntu 14.04. but i didin't decide yet as i have to customize my system from the begining
[14:26] <baizon> it depends which system you like more :)
[14:26] <baizon> test both and choose then
[14:27] <cfhowlett> akis note the lubuntu is optimized for older / lower spec hardware
[14:28] <akis> xubuntu is a beauty. but i think that lubuntu 14.04 is a new star. minimal, fast and absolutely customisable
[14:28] <akis> cfhowlett: sure!
[14:29] <akis> i am running 14.04 from a usb right know and it works perfectly.
[14:29] <baizon> like any *ubuntu system :P
[14:31] <akis> i have now open firefox, abiword, gnumeric and thunar and the system uses only 350 mb from my total 1 gb. so why do i have to consider about lubuntu?
[14:41] <Guido1> I have a question about setting up my new laptop. i heard that it is better not to charge the laptop for 100 %, but 90 or 95. how can i set it up in xubuntu that it only charges until than and gives a notification?
[14:43] <baizon> Guido1: write a simple script?
[14:45] <Guido1> baizon: i don't know how to do that
[14:47] <Guido1> baizon: and i would expect that there is a setting for it. I found one where i can determine at which point the battery is seen as empty, but not full. maybe another energy menager?
[14:51] <xubuntu764> hello
[14:51] <xubuntu764> I want to change an icon in the settings menu
[14:51] <xubuntu764> but I am not sure where those icons are located
[14:52] <baizon> xubuntu764: /usr/share/icons
[15:00] <xubuntu764> i checked all subfolders in /usr/share/icons
[15:00] <xubuntu764> but the icons for the settings menu aren't in there :c
[15:00] <Guido1> baizon: how can i write a script and how does it have to look?
[15:07] <baizon> Guido1: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[15:08] <Pici> #bash is helpful too
[15:08] <baizon> indeed, thank you pi
[15:08] <baizon> *Pici
[15:34] <Crashed> Guys..
[15:35] <Crashed> May I ask ... anyone a question?
[15:35] <GridCube> !anyone
[15:35] <holstein> Crashed: sure.. just ask.. with as much detail as possible
[15:35] <GridCube> !ask
[15:35] <Crashed> Ok.
[15:37] <Crashed> So I'm at the moment using Xubuntu 14.04 and before that 12.04, I was a little disappointed that the brightness (and something else) control on the desktop wallpaper are gone, is there a way to get it back?
[15:42] <Crashed> I must note that there is an option to change the brightness of your background was in Xubuntu 12.04 in the desktop settings, there is no such option in 14.04.
[15:43] <holstein> Crashed: well, one can always edit the image.. the wallpaper image, and in up with whatever one likes, as far as brightness..
[15:44] <holstein> Crashed: sometimes, support for the desktop brightness controls can be related to graphics driver support.. sometiems, they can be mapped to different keys than one expects..
[15:44] <holstein> Crashed: are you specifically talking about the editing of the wallpaper only?
[15:45] <Crashed> Yes, but only with the desktop settings in 12.04.
[15:46] <Crashed> I havn't installed my graphics driver yet, so I'll come back later to see if there is any change.
[15:48] <Crashed> ( I'm on fresh install, only /home was as it was. )
[16:17] <Crashed> I'm back, Installed nvidia drivers and it had no diffrence, the question was: How do I get brightness and Saturation controls back that were in Xubuntu 12.04 setting => desktop. I'm on Xubuntu 14.04.
[16:17] <holstein> Crashed: correct.. and i asked for clarification.. the drivers do not control that at all
[16:18] <holstein> Crashed: you can open the wallpaper image in an image editor and edit it as you please.. and set it as the wallpaper
[16:18] <Crashed> Need more clarification?
[16:18] <Crashed> oh.
[16:19] <Crashed> Do you may know why those controls were removed?
[16:21] <holstein> Crashed: likely from upstream
[16:25] <Crashed> holstein: Is there a way to get it back those image modification controls back on 14.04?
[17:18] <meek_geek> hi
[19:03] <meek_geek> hi
[19:03] <GridCube> !hi
[19:03] <meek_geek> !hi
[19:03] <meek_geek> oh?
[19:04] <meek_geek> GridCube, do you know how to remove ubuntu software center from Xubuntu?
[19:04] <GridCube> sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-software-center
[19:05] <meek_geek> GridCube, would it remove it completely ?
[19:05] <GridCube> what do you mean completely¿
[19:06] <GridCube> it will remove the program usc that is a front end for apt-get
[19:06] <GridCube> you will not remove apt-get
[19:06] <meek_geek> ok
[19:06] <GridCube> that would be silly and dangerous
[19:06] <meek_geek> this is what i want
[19:06] <meek_geek> I want to remove the front end only
[19:07] <meek_geek> but i kinda like it too
[19:07] <GridCube> but anyway read before saying y to the Y/n question
[19:08] <meek_geek> ok
[19:08] <meek_geek> I am not removing it right away
[19:08] <GridCube> k
[19:08] <GridCube> good luck
[19:08] <meek_geek> xubuntu updates a lot more than Debian
[19:09] <meek_geek> i see an update coming every now and then
[19:09] <Unit193> Erm, as a user with both, nope.
[19:09] <meek_geek> what?
[19:26] <Guido1> Is there an enery manager which allows to set up until how much the battery of a laptop is charged, because i herad that it is better not to charge 100%
[19:35] <deshipu> Guido1: you "herad" wrong
[19:36] <deshipu> Guido1: you chould always charge to 100%, just discharge it once in a while
[19:37] <Guido1> deshipu: heard only until 90 or 95 percent to increase the battery liftime
[19:38] <deshipu> Guido1: if that was true, they would just put 10% larger batteries in there
[19:38] <deshipu> Guido1: the problem is that battery capacity gets lower when it stays charged for a long time -- because some of the chemical reactions become irreversible, it's called the "memory effect"
[19:39] <deshipu> Guido1: charging it to 90% won't help
[19:39] <deshipu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
[19:39] <Guido1> deshipu: I also heard from a windows user that windows sggestit only to charge until 90 or 50 %.  How often should I empty the battery?
[19:40] <Guido1> i hearde that the memory effect is much lower nowedays
[19:42] <deshipu> yeah, also the batteries have some electronics inside of them that manage the power internally
[19:43] <deshipu> best ask your vendor's support for specific guidelines for your model
[19:44] <Guido1> deshipu: okee, than i will have to ask lenovo (thinkpad)
[19:53] <Guido1> deshipu: http://support.lenovo.com/en_NL/diagnose-and-fix/detail.page?DocID=HT078208
[19:56] <minos__1> hello, I'm running 14.04 with OpenVPN version 2.3.2 which is aparently vulnerable to heartbleed, my openssl is patched, am I at risk?
[19:58] <Guido1> deshipu: so apparantly lenovo suggest not to charge until 100%
[20:01] <Guido1> deshipu: but i don't get the idea behind it. expecialy the hig percentage at which it should start regarging
[20:11] <mx0r> Guido1: try it with TLP, you can exactly set the charging range, uncharging, and optimize your battery lifetime. i've set my thinkpad to max capacity of 95% and an "automatic" uncharging to 50%. no problems with the battery lifetime so far..
[20:11] <mx0r> Guido1: http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
[20:12] <mx0r> Guido1: btw. I have a x220
[20:12] <Guido1> mx0r: I'm waiting for my E540 to arrive
[20:13] <mx0r> Guido1: well, nice :-)
[20:16] <mx0r> Guido1: i don't like the keyboard on the new models...I've started with an T41, best notebook keyboard ever made :)
[20:16] <Guido1> mx0r: thanks for the information. Do you know something about the technikal background of the limits? Why is it not gut to charge until 100% and why is the value for starting a recharge so high?
[20:18] <Guido1> mx0r: I hope that I will not have to many problems with the keyboards. right now I'm using a qwertz as a qwerty ... Sadly I do not have a lot of money to spend
[20:21] <mx0r> Guido1: i don't know exactly the reason. Some say it's important to have a constant cycle between 95% and 10%, some say it's only important not to charge full and uncharge it completely every few days, some say don't care. I really don't know. With my settings I have no bad side effects so far. My bat. is now 1,5 years old and it's lifetime is about 4h. But i have replaced the hdd with an ssd. I guess the liftime increased about 45min...
[20:23] <mx0r> Guido1: also I heard that the integrated electronics reduce the memory effekt and so it doesen't matter how full or often you charge the bat
[20:25] <Guido1> mx0r: i still have the standard drive - normal 500 GB, because SSD was only 150 or so. The battery should last more than 6 hours under perfect conditions. My last laptop is from the time where you could buy vista and XP. Sinds some years the bttery is dead (it's a terra ...)
[20:26] <Guido1> mx0r: if I look at the link from lenovo it still metters how often you charge
[20:28] <mx0r> Guido1: that's about 5-6 years ago right? Think the new batteries have some improvements...OK, if the manufacturer recommends a charging value, you have to follow that or test and make your own experience ;)
[20:30] <Guido1> mx0r: hope that there is some improvement. yes, but a range from 40 - 50 (10 % difference), 85 - 90 or 96 - 100 seams to mee a bit contradictive to vew charges
[20:31] <Guido1> mx0r: The main enemies of battery longevity are age, the number of charge cycles, amount of time at full charge, and high temperature. (http://support.lenovo.com/en_NL/diagnose-and-fix/detail.page?DocID=HT078208)
[20:32] <mx0r> Guido1: anyway, than you can set these values in your tlp config and let tlp do the rest
[20:34] <mx0r> Guido1: i think i have to check the recommendations for my bat./notebook as well and change my charging values. Maybe I can get some improvements on bat life
[20:34] <Guido1> mx0r: in regard to the carging cyckes i would say: 10 - 50 % or 10 - 90 % or so. I think your idea is quite in the midel.
[20:34] <mx0r> Guido1: as I said. There are so much opinions on this theme, I think you have to find a setting that fit's your needs
[20:36] <Guido1> mx0r: maybe it has to do with the idea that you always have sufficent energy for some time. So if I set the value to 10% it can be that i have to go away with only 10% ...
[20:40] <mx0r> Guido1: that's true. For example I spent the almost the whole day in the office. The notebook stays in the docking station and has at least min. 50% battery
[20:42] <mx0r> Guido1: i have to go now, have a lot of fun with your new 540 and good luck finding the right charging values ;) bye!
[20:45] <Guido1> mx0r: thanks, you too
[20:46] <Guido1> expected delivery day is monday, but than I want to be able to set it up compleatly (partitions, configurations, programs etc.)
[20:47] <Guido1> so I'm also still wondering if there is an speed and energy advantage by putting a linux partition on a logical or primary partition and in the beginning of the dist or midle / end
[20:50] <Guido1> mx0r: PS: I also heard that you should take the battery out, if it is conected to the cable
[21:36] <soman> Is it possible to disable flat style in clearlooks theme? Xubuntu 12.04
[21:37] <holstein> i would just get another theme that is not flat that looks simliar
[21:53] <soman> holstein: can you name any like that?
[21:55] <holstein> soman: there are many.. i havent personallyl looked for one...
[22:06] <Alpha-Omega> hey guys, which compositor does Xubuntu use?
[22:07] <Alpha-Omega> If I wanted to remove the package for it because I replaced it with Compiz, which package would that be?
[22:21] <esph> Anybody know how Xubuntu 14.04 will partition my SSD (240GB, no HDD) if I use the default install options? Are the defaults good enough, or should I consider partitioning on my own?
[22:21] <holstein> 240GB, no hdd?
[22:22] <holstein> whats that mean? no hdd?
[22:22] <esph> yeah
[22:22] <esph> I mean, that's exactly what I wrote :P
[22:22] <esph> Just because people often have both SSD and HDD
[22:22] <holstein> esph: ok.. thanks.. would you mind to further clarify? you mean, no hard drive, but, the solid state hard drive? just the one?
[22:23] <holstein> esph: you can run the partitioner and see what it will propose.. the defaults are "fine".. though, lots of folks like to have a seperate /home
[22:24] <esph> I've wondered about that too; are there still benefits for having a separate /home partition for an SSD?
[22:24] <holstein> esph: just the one.. it being seperate
[22:24] <esph> hmm, ok
[22:25] <esph> Also, I've read a bit about over-provisioning. Is that still important these days?
[22:25] <holstein> esph: whats that mean? the system saves configuration for applications there. in your users home.. for instance, firefox bookmarks.. if you have a seperate home, you can keep that /home in place when reinstalling, and the firefox on the new system would display the bookmarkds..
[22:25] <holstein> bookmarks*
[22:26] <holstein> there is little performane increace to seperate partitions on the same drive.. but, with an ssd, you are not worried with that
[22:26] <holstein> esph: over-provisioning?
[22:27] <esph> holstein: it means leaving some unallocated space on the SSD for long-term performance reasons.
[22:27] <holstein> esph: i dont have an ssd.. if i did, i would still likely just do the defaults..
[22:28] <esph> holstein: alright. One last question: how big should my / partition be (everything but /home) for Xubuntu?
[22:28] <holstein> esph: depends.. i just go with the default typically
[22:29] <esph> So the default install options include /home as a separate partition?
[22:30] <holstein> esph: no.. the default is all in one partition... you would get 2 partitions, 1 swap and the rest of the system in one big partition
[22:31] <esph> hmm, ok. Don't really want swap since I've got loads of ram, so I'll probably do a custom one.
[22:31] <esph> holstein: thanks
[22:32] <holstein> lots of folks dont do swap on ssd
[22:32] <esph> yeah
[22:32] <esph> also that
[22:33] <s4va> could anybody help me with cpu fan control on laptop hp4510s?