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lordievaderGood morning.05:47
Riddellhola chicos08:21
shadeslayerhey ho08:37
Riddellsuch a beautiful horizon08:38
shadeslayerheh :p08:40
shadeslayerRiddell: mind doing this test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/317/builds/70677/testcases/1301/results08:50
shadeslayerI can never get it to work in vbox :/08:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw since we're not shipping the nepomuk KCM, do you think we should remove the part of the workspace QA form that says "Nepomuk Disabled" 09:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: on google docs?09:28
shadeslayeryeah09:28
apacheloggernot worth recycling for this cycle IMO09:28
apacheloggershould ditch it09:28
shadeslayerwhy?09:28
apacheloggeroverhead was to big 09:28
apacheloggerhave to go through all sheets and look at the data09:29
apacheloggerreally cumbersome09:29
apacheloggeralso unless we reset the data when a new version lands it gets confusing09:29
apacheloggeralso reseting the data requires manually hopping through the sheets09:29
apacheloggertoo much work for non-lts releases if you ask me09:29
apacheloggeroh and in general I'd not spend much time on QA for stable kubuntu09:30
apacheloggerif something breaks it's likely not our fault anyway09:30
shadeslayerthis is most interesting09:49
shadeslayeryofel: somehow kajongg depends on kdegames-data >= 4.13.209:49
yofelshadeslayer: can you please fix that? I think it's some substitution that needs fixing09:50
shadeslayer libqt4-sql-sqlite (>= 4.6), kdegames-mahjongg-data, vorbis-tools, kdegames-data (>= ${source:Upstream-Version})09:51
shadeslayerahhh09:51
shadeslayerthat makes sense09:51
Riddellkubotu: newversion massif-visualiser 0.4beta09:53
kubotuPackage massif-visualiser doesn't exist yet!09:53
Riddellkubotu: newversion kgraphviewer 2.2beta09:53
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/133458709:53
shadeslayerRiddell: IIRC there's something blocking kgraphviewer09:53
shadeslayereigen or sth 09:54
shadeslayerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer/+bug/124426109:54
ubottuUbuntu bug 1244261 in massif-visualizer (Ubuntu) "kgraphviewer needs porting from libgraph to libcgraph (remove binaries for now)" [Undecided,Confirmed]09:54
shadeslayercgraph09:54
Riddellshould be fixed now09:55
Riddellthe cgraph patch was inluded in this release09:55
shadeslayeraha cool09:55
shadeslayerI don't suppose anyone knows where I can find the various subst vars that can be passed into debian/control09:59
BluesKajHiyas all10:20
Riddellkubotu: newversion plasma-mediacenter 1.310:21
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/133459510:21
shadeslayeryofel: I'll just drop the versioning for now10:28
shadeslayertoo many changes required to figure out latest version of kdegames-data10:28
shadeslayerplus it's gone as a dep from kajongg in utopic anyway10:28
Riddellgroovy, alpha 1 good enough to ship10:42
Riddellshadeslayer: are there any release notes?10:42
shadeslayeroh10:43
shadeslayerso that's what I was missing yesterday10:43
Riddellshadeslayer: I don't know where to put the release announcement with our new wiki10:43
Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu is traditional10:44
Riddellbut not very elegant10:44
shadeslayerRiddell: I'd say go with wiki.ubuntu for now10:45
apacheloggerRiddell: put it on ubuntu wiki... as dicussed earlier these shoudl eventually get done entirely on the new website10:45
shadeslayerand we can make a nice page next time10:45
apacheloggerwikis are much rubbish for sweet editing really10:45
* Riddell makes it sew10:45
apacheloggertalking about website10:46
apacheloggerovidiu-florin, jose: what's the state of the website10:46
Riddellneeds the server to recover for one thing :(10:46
apacheloggeryofel: what's the state of the server10:47
yofelapachelogger: you'll have to ask Riddell10:47
apacheloggerRiddell: what's the state of the server10:47
shadeslayeryay, I can do git clone bzr::lp:whatever10:48
shadeslayerno more fiddling with bzr10:48
yofeloh sweet :D10:48
shadeslayeryeah10:48
yofelany special setup for that?10:48
shadeslayernope, just install git-bzr10:48
yofelyay10:49
Riddellapachelogger: I need to fill in this form and e-mail hosteurope, very nearly at the top of my todo list10:49
apacheloggerreminds me of when people used git-svn and broke kdesvn every other day xD10:49
shadeslayeryofel: even does pushes10:49
shadeslayerScottK: if everything is fine with the Kubuntu + Plasma 5 email, I'll send it later today10:49
apacheloggeryofel: what's with shared git repo for kf5?10:51
shadeslayer^^10:51
* BluesKaj waits patiently for the alpha1 upgrades to hit the repos10:51
shadeslayerBluesKaj: probably tomorrow10:52
BluesKajshadeslayer, ok, like I said, I'm waiting patiently :)10:53
yofelapachelogger: nothing so far, sune and maxy wouldn't mind it but wanted pino to comment, which he never did10:55
shadeslayermuch blocking that is10:57
joseapachelogger: state is waiting to talk to ovidiu-florin11:10
shadeslayerRiddell: http://192.168.1.33:8000/11:11
Riddellsweet11:12
shadeslayerRiddell: do you want a picutre of the reboot thing as well?11:26
shadeslayeryofel: http://imgur.com/zSGnz8J :311:30
yofelhahaha11:30
shadeslayercolored output ftw11:31
shadeslayerRiddell: I guess not11:32
Riddellshadeslayer: no that's fine11:33
shadeslayerupgrade went fine11:34
Riddellyay!11:34
Riddellhola sgclark, bienos dias11:41
ScottKshadeslayer: Did you look at my comments?11:43
shadeslayerScottK: I don't see any11:44
sgclarkRiddell: good morning :)11:44
Riddellshadeslayer: eek your web server went away!11:45
shadeslayerRiddell: oh, heh11:45
shadeslayermoment11:45
shadeslayerRiddell: same url11:45
ScottKshadeslayer: This has been updated since I commented last.  Let me read it again.11:47
shadeslayerScottK: cheers, I updated it after you commented, made some things more clear11:48
ScottKshadeslayer: A couple of small comments.  Looking pretty good now.11:49
sgclarkRiddell: any thoughts on why kde-baseapps and konsole in next believe that the 4:4.13.2 release is newer? 11:56
apacheloggerkonsole? Oo11:59
apacheloggerthat's not in the release scope of plasma5.0  is it?11:59
apacheloggerneither is baseapps for that matter11:59
apacheloggerkonsole (4.97.0~git20140623-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1) utopic; urgency=low11:59
apacheloggersgclark: that is effective version 0:4.97.0 vs. konsole effective version 4:4.13.212:00
apacheloggersgclark: see epoch here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version12:00
apacheloggerRiddell, sgclark: I don't think baseapps stuff should packaged12:01
sgclarkwhy not? 12:03
apacheloggerbecause it has no release schedule12:03
sgclarkthat is a good point, I guess not a good thing to throw out to the public, but maybe an experimental next? lol12:06
apacheloggeryeah12:06
apacheloggerwell12:06
apacheloggerfor now we have neon12:06
apacheloggeronce utopic is released we might want to do an experimental next ppa if necessary12:07
apacheloggeruntil then stuff can be put into next12:07
apacheloggerthe problem with baseapps is that it has no upstream pre-release at all, so putting it in next doesn't do much good12:07
sgclarknot to mention it is only half done, aka missing konquorer etc12:08
apachelogger*nod*12:08
sgclarkbut it would be kinda cool to have that stuff somewhere for daredevils that want the greatest and latest, but not as important as the greater for all stability. 12:10
yofelneon? ^^12:10
sgclarkyeah I did try that neon, that is really nice and achieves the above. Does neon have the frameworks build of these apps though?12:12
sgclarkI didn't think it did12:12
apacheloggerproject-neon5-kde-baseapps12:19
apacheloggerproject-neon5-konsole12:19
sgclarkahh ok cool :) anyway I only did as I was asked. I will move on12:21
sgclarkupdate wants a reboot, be back shortly12:37
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Riddellhola13:09
Riddellsgclark, apachelogger: sure it should be packaged, but only for a known experimental PPA13:09
sgclarkI <3 packaging, so fine with me lol13:10
Riddellsgclark: I don't think we should add a depend on qt5-default, people will still want the option of having qt4-default with plasma 5 e.g. if you're compiling kdelibs4 stuff13:10
Riddellinstead I guess it needs the full path to qdbus somewhere13:11
sgclarkRiddell: right, the QT_SELECT=5 qdbus worked fine to login, though it is said it is an issue with qtchooser13:11
Riddellsgclark: you added QT_SELECT=5 somewhere?13:14
sgclarkRiddell: I added QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to my .bashrc file13:14
Riddelland it all works fine after?13:14
sgclarkyup perfectly13:15
Riddellok so we can probably just add that to startkde13:15
sgclarkalso, how , where would we put that nifty new wallpaper in ?13:15
alvinI just did a fresh installation of Kubuntu, and it's probably time I report this bug. But where, or against what package? If you choose 'Belgium', some locales are set to German.13:16
alvinEspecially weird since I selected US English as language13:21
Riddellsgclark: wallpaper?  the plasma next one with triangles?13:28
Riddellalvin: using 14.04?13:28
sgclarkRiddell: yeah that one, I can't find it13:28
alvinRiddell: Yes, but I believe the bug was already there in 13.1013:28
alvinDidn't think much of it then. Changed the language in KDE. But I've installed Kubuntu now on a number of occasions, and it happens every time. Set country to Belgium, language to English, and some locales will be German.13:29
alvinde_BE.UTF-8 to be exact13:29
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Riddellsgclark: it's in breeze but maybe it wasn't in for 4.9713:44
Riddellalvin: it might be libkubuntu's fault13:45
Riddellor it might be ubiquity13:45
apacheloggermore likely former13:45
shadeslayerfwiw plasma 5 email away13:47
Riddellshadeslayer: yay!13:48
sgclarkshadeslayer: were you going to take back sddm? if so feel free to nab any of my work from mine. I spent alot of time on copyright nd I know you are not a fan of copyright. Also a libexec patch that should go upstream if you use.13:49
shadeslayersgclark: yep13:49
shadeslayerworking on sanitizing sddm now13:49
shadeslayerinfact13:49
shadeslayerI haz upstart script13:49
sgclarkok cool13:49
shadeslayerlets see if it works13:49
alvinok, Bug 1334675 opened13:54
ubottubug 1334675 in libkubuntu (Ubuntu) "Some locales are set to de_BE.UTF-8 when choosing Country 'Belgium' and language 'US English'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133467513:54
apacheloggerhalf those vars are not set by libkubuntu13:59
Riddellhow's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu14:14
Riddellproofreaders needed 14:14
apacheloggerdownload column width is wrong14:16
apacheloggerpictures have all random sizes14:16
apacheloggeron that note if they are to continue having random sizes then the plasma1 pic needs to be aligned to the right14:17
apacheloggerlots of techno talk in general14:17
apacheloggerotherwise good I guess14:18
Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu updated with less techno speak14:34
apacheloggermuch better14:37
apacheloggercolumn width is still broken :P14:37
apacheloggerRiddell: I conflictered with you14:39
apacheloggerbut width is fixed now :P14:39
Riddellapachelogger: thanks14:45
Riddellyofel: ping14:51
Riddellor another german speaker, ping14:51
apacheloggeryus?14:53
Riddellapachelogger: what needs done with this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Vertragsuebernahme-Vertragsuebergabe_eines_einzelnen_Produktes2.pdf14:53
Riddellit's got forms in it you can edit in okular14:54
apacheloggerneeds to be sent by FAX 14:54
Riddellyay14:54
Riddellbut does more of it need filled in?14:54
apacheloggergod that thing has pages14:55
apacheloggerfirst page, prevoius owner needs to sign bottom of the page14:57
apacheloggerRiddell: are we wiring money through germany?14:57
alvinI'll follow up on that locale bug, but I'll have to install a test machine. In the meantime I've set everything to my liking using the KDE System settings, BUT there's a script that changes the locales for you and it created en_BE.UTF-8.  Now that's something that does not exist, so apt throws errors when trying to install stuff.14:57
apacheloggerRiddell: if not scratch page 4 and add credit card details on page 314:58
apacheloggerwhere it says Kreditkartendaten (nur für Kunden außerhalb Deutschlands14:58
alvinNow ALL locales (except LANGUAGE=en and LC_ALL=) are en_BE.UTF-814:59
apacheloggerRiddell: then bottom of page 3 first is your name in block capitals, second is signature, third is date14:59
apacheloggerRiddell: so, you need to fax page 2+3 and previous owner needs to fax page 115:00
apacheloggerother than credit card details everything seems to be in order15:00
Riddellgroovy15:01
apacheloggerRiddell: if we wire the money through germany account details for SEPA would go on page 415:01
Riddellapachelogger: what is Gültigkeit ?15:02
apacheloggervalidity15:03
apacheloggerRiddell: time until expiration of the card15:03
apachelogger(reckon it's about the credit card)15:03
Riddellyep15:04
Riddellapachelogger: 0180 5 66 3233*15:05
Riddellthat becomes +49180 5 66 3233 ?15:05
apacheloggerRiddell: yes15:11
* apachelogger finds it outrages that a contract move costs 50 euros processing fee15:11
apacheloggeralvin: en_BE is what you get when you configure en_BE 15:13
apacheloggerarguably it doesn't make sense, however given the present UI it's hard to prevent that from happening15:13
alvinapachelogger: Yes, I'm starting to think that the errors from apt have another reason.15:13
apacheloggerno15:13
apacheloggeren_BE is no valid locale15:13
alvinLC_TYPE is not set and such15:13
alvinAh15:13
apacheloggerbut you configured it15:13
apacheloggerso libkubuntu writes it15:13
apacheloggerwhat you need to do is configure your country to US or CA or AU or GB etc.15:14
alvinI configured it in System Settings by setting Country to Belgium and Language to English. A valid combination. Well, it should be.15:14
apacheloggeryeah it should, except posix locale is shit :P15:15
alvinAh, but when setting the country to US some things are all wrong. Like 'Letter' instead of 'A4'15:15
apacheloggeryep, that's how posix locale work15:15
alvinI justed wanted the English language (Not British. 'Wastebin' instead of 'Trash' is not something I get used too)15:16
alvinIt's not ideal. Can I set the KDE settings /without/ changing system locales?15:16
apacheloggeryou can remove .kde/env/setlocale.sh15:17
apacheloggeryour system will still be wrong then15:17
alvinOk, but that's fixable15:17
apacheloggersee, the problem is, if you configure country BE and language en in KDE you'll have A4 and stuff in KDE15:17
apacheloggerbut all other applications will use Letter15:17
alvinYes, and 24hour format :-)15:18
apacheloggerbecause they don't care about what the KDE setting is15:18
apacheloggerthat's why libkubuntu bends the KDE setting to the inferior posix locale version15:18
alvinI can see that.15:18
apacheloggerotherwise system integration is incomplete15:18
alvinSo, there's no setting directly 'paper size = A4' with the standard POSIX stuff?15:19
apacheloggernope15:19
alvinOr some switch: adhere to ISO standards. Ok, I'm dreaming15:19
apacheloggerit's all locale bound15:19
alvinI see.15:19
apacheloggerwhat you could do from a posix POV is define some of the LC_ variables to a locale that uses A415:20
apacheloggernot sure which one15:20
alvinWell, in that case, it's only more work to set it up. I can live with that. You know, Windows gets that all wrong too.15:20
apacheloggerbut you don't have fine grained control beyond that15:20
alvinI'll look it up.15:20
apacheloggeralvin: posix is an ISO standard btw15:20
alvinHeh, ok :-)15:20
alvinDidn't know that.15:20
apacheloggerarguably the KDE way isn't all that smooth either15:21
apacheloggere.g. in case of CA country doesn't actually define the format at all15:21
apacheloggeren_CA defaults to US formatting, while fr_CA defaults to FR formatting15:22
apacheloggeryet you cannot represent that in KDE clearly (short of having two distinct countries which is not the case and would not make sense)15:22
apacheloggerit's all a lot of shit regardless of the operating system15:23
alvinSounds like there's still some work in that area. I hope settings are shared between other desktop environments then?15:23
apacheloggerno15:23
apacheloggerthat's what posix is there for15:23
apacheloggerexcept KDE chooses to not support that currently15:23
apachelogger(in plasma5 there'll be much improvement in terms of configurability though \o/)15:24
alvinOh, that is fine to hear. I'm looking forward a lot to plasma515:24
BluesKajCA has 2 language choices since Canada is officially a biingual 15:24
apacheloggerthat's what I am saying15:24
apacheloggerbut in KDE country dictates format15:24
alvinWell, Belgium is trilingual, if you count the 10 Germans that live here. I know the problem.15:24
apacheloggerbut in CA's case language defines formatting much more than country15:24
BluesKajhehe alvin :)15:25
apacheloggerso if you configure it_CA, what formatting do you get? english? french? italian? none?15:25
apacheloggerit's all much madness15:25
BluesKajI always choose English, there's the French Canada choice available if one wants it15:26
BluesKaja lot of Canadians just choose the US format for safety's sake15:27
alvinlol, yes. That reminds me that I still have to file a bug for the holidays in the KDE calendar. These are in French by default when you set the country to Belgium, while it should look at the language.15:27
alvinThere's a choice between 'French', 'Dutch' and 'Walloon'. French = Walloon, and the 10 Germans are forgotten.15:29
Riddellsomehow I missed this, there's no 4.15 SC planned http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=140191565904116&w=215:55
sgclarkRiddell: I am now seeing the perils of qt5-default. kgraphviewer seems to be qt4 only. I have my utopic set up for frameworks qt5 packaging, how do I do both?16:00
Riddellsgclark: just install qt4-default16:02
Riddellall will be fine until you need to log in again :)16:02
sgclarklol16:02
* sgclark sets up another chroot16:02
yofelwouldn't it work to just export QT_SELECT?16:04
yofelfor the build shell16:04
sgclarkoh hey that could work, thanks16:04
RiddellScottK: plasma 5 schedule decision http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2014-June/033065.html17:24
Riddellin progress..17:24
RiddellI'm proposing having bugfix releases but opinion seems to be for just monthly releases for now because it's not advised that distros ship it as default17:24
sgclarkRiddell: kgraphviewer for trusty is ready, where do I put this?17:48
Riddellsgclark: oh cool, do you have it for utopic too?17:53
sgclarkRiddell: not yet, should be relatively simple though now that the bulk work is done.17:53
Riddellsgclark: check it all works in utopic then give to me to upload to utopic17:54
Riddelland you can upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports17:54
Riddellfor trusty17:54
sgclarkRiddell: ok17:55
mcstr_hmmm any kubuntu user using the latest opera development build?18:01
Riddellnot I18:02
mcstr_i am giving it a try just now and it seems to be very fast :o18:03
Riddellahh, alas if only it was free software18:06
mcstr_hmmm... well isnt it free? i dont pay a single cent for it...... you sound like a fedora user :P18:07
sgclarkRiddell: https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/kubuntu/+packages it is still waiting to build but I suspect you can still get the files?18:12
sgclarkRiddell: massif-visualizer depends on these. I have to make a quick trip to store and will work on that when I return.18:17
Riddellmcstr_: most Linux distros only ship Free software18:20
mcstr_@riddell thats true but i am a bit more mainstream in this regard.... as long as its available and costs no money i find it ok to use it..... bein it the non-free codecs, software or whatever.....18:21
Riddellyeah that's fine, we just can't ship it is all18:22
mcstr_no worries :)18:23
mcstr_i also like konqueror and rekonq esp. on kde4... not convinced of those in kde plasma next yet18:24
mcstr_have used mozilla firefox most of my time over the last years but opera now seems to be easier on ram and ressources in general18:24
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Riddellalpha 1 is out!19:43
Riddellsanta_: you made kde-workspace break kde-style-skulpture last year saying "Add Breaks against kwin styles which wouldn't work with this latest kde-window-manager release" can you remember why it wouldn't work?19:45
Riddellshadeslayer: I think that's why kde-workspace has not transitioned19:45
santa_Riddell: hi, I think there was an api change and that style was unmaintained19:47
Riddellhmm, but it seems to compile19:47
Riddellspoke I can but install them and see what happens19:47
santa_and does it work?19:48
Riddelldunno need to test that now19:48
santa_http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kde-style-skulpture/news/20120510T181231Z.html19:48
santa_indeed, it was unmaintained19:48
santa_I remember they were a few which didn't work and wasn't very feasible to fix them19:49
santa_I remember there was one which left the windows without decoration19:50
santa_which would be an ugly situation for an inexperienced user19:50
santa_so the solution was putting that breaks there, so the style would be uninstalled19:52
Riddellah then I'll just follow debian and remove it19:52
santa_but of course if you can make them work again, that breaks should be removed19:52
ovidiu-florinRiddell: how's the server state?20:15
Riddellovidiu-florin: sent off form, e-mailed them, waiting for reply20:17
ovidiu-florinok, thanks20:17
shadeslayeryofel: we might want to shut down http://kubuntu.s3.amazonaws.com/list.html22:00
shadeslayer:P22:00
shadeslayerthat shit is still working22:00
yofeloh right, I totally forgot about that22:03
yofelwrite something nice on the grave :P22:03
shadeslayeryeah, I'll get Riddell to delete stuff tomorrow22:05
soee_updates to neon are done through normal session or do i have to login to neon ?22:23
shadeslayerwhich one22:24
shadeslayeralso, updates to Neon 5 are unsupported22:24
shadeslayerwith all the moving around and what not22:24
soee_http://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext22:25
shadeslayerright, upgrades are unsupported and at your own risk fwiw22:26
shadeslayersoee_: I usually do : sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" dist-upgrade22:26
soee_shadeslayer: but, if you release weekly updates for plasma-next in neon22:27
soee_than i can get updates form normal session ?22:27
soee_*update the neon packages22:27
shadeslayerright, but they're unsupported in the sense of, if files are moved around, you have to force overwrite things22:27
shadeslayersince the packaging does not really track those kind of things22:28
soee_okay :)22:28
soee_i saw some shcedule and plasma next final will be released next moth ?22:29

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