[05:47] Good morning. [08:21] hola chicos [08:37] hey ho [08:38] such a beautiful horizon [08:40] heh :p [08:50] Riddell: mind doing this test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/317/builds/70677/testcases/1301/results [08:50] I can never get it to work in vbox :/ [09:27] apachelogger: btw since we're not shipping the nepomuk KCM, do you think we should remove the part of the workspace QA form that says "Nepomuk Disabled" [09:28] shadeslayer: on google docs? [09:28] yeah [09:28] not worth recycling for this cycle IMO [09:28] should ditch it [09:28] why? [09:28] overhead was to big [09:29] have to go through all sheets and look at the data [09:29] really cumbersome [09:29] also unless we reset the data when a new version lands it gets confusing [09:29] also reseting the data requires manually hopping through the sheets [09:29] too much work for non-lts releases if you ask me [09:30] oh and in general I'd not spend much time on QA for stable kubuntu [09:30] if something breaks it's likely not our fault anyway [09:49] this is most interesting [09:49] yofel: somehow kajongg depends on kdegames-data >= 4.13.2 [09:50] shadeslayer: can you please fix that? I think it's some substitution that needs fixing [09:51] libqt4-sql-sqlite (>= 4.6), kdegames-mahjongg-data, vorbis-tools, kdegames-data (>= ${source:Upstream-Version}) [09:51] ahhh [09:51] that makes sense [09:53] kubotu: newversion massif-visualiser 0.4beta [09:53] Package massif-visualiser doesn't exist yet! [09:53] kubotu: newversion kgraphviewer 2.2beta [09:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1334587 [09:53] Riddell: IIRC there's something blocking kgraphviewer [09:54] eigen or sth [09:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer/+bug/1244261 [09:54] Ubuntu bug 1244261 in massif-visualizer (Ubuntu) "kgraphviewer needs porting from libgraph to libcgraph (remove binaries for now)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:54] cgraph [09:55] should be fixed now [09:55] the cgraph patch was inluded in this release [09:55] aha cool [09:59] I don't suppose anyone knows where I can find the various subst vars that can be passed into debian/control [10:20] Hiyas all [10:21] kubotu: newversion plasma-mediacenter 1.3 [10:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1334595 [10:28] yofel: I'll just drop the versioning for now [10:28] too many changes required to figure out latest version of kdegames-data [10:28] plus it's gone as a dep from kajongg in utopic anyway [10:42] groovy, alpha 1 good enough to ship [10:42] shadeslayer: are there any release notes? [10:43] oh [10:43] so that's what I was missing yesterday [10:43] shadeslayer: I don't know where to put the release announcement with our new wiki [10:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu is traditional [10:44] but not very elegant [10:45] Riddell: I'd say go with wiki.ubuntu for now [10:45] Riddell: put it on ubuntu wiki... as dicussed earlier these shoudl eventually get done entirely on the new website [10:45] and we can make a nice page next time [10:45] wikis are much rubbish for sweet editing really [10:45] * Riddell makes it sew [10:46] talking about website [10:46] ovidiu-florin, jose: what's the state of the website [10:46] needs the server to recover for one thing :( [10:47] yofel: what's the state of the server [10:47] apachelogger: you'll have to ask Riddell [10:47] Riddell: what's the state of the server [10:48] yay, I can do git clone bzr::lp:whatever [10:48] no more fiddling with bzr [10:48] oh sweet :D [10:48] yeah [10:48] any special setup for that? [10:48] nope, just install git-bzr [10:49] yay [10:49] apachelogger: I need to fill in this form and e-mail hosteurope, very nearly at the top of my todo list [10:49] reminds me of when people used git-svn and broke kdesvn every other day xD [10:49] yofel: even does pushes [10:49] ScottK: if everything is fine with the Kubuntu + Plasma 5 email, I'll send it later today [10:51] yofel: what's with shared git repo for kf5? [10:51] ^^ [10:51] * BluesKaj waits patiently for the alpha1 upgrades to hit the repos [10:52] BluesKaj: probably tomorrow [10:53] shadeslayer, ok, like I said, I'm waiting patiently :) [10:55] apachelogger: nothing so far, sune and maxy wouldn't mind it but wanted pino to comment, which he never did [10:57] much blocking that is [11:10] apachelogger: state is waiting to talk to ovidiu-florin [11:11] Riddell: http://192.168.1.33:8000/ [11:12] sweet [11:26] Riddell: do you want a picutre of the reboot thing as well? [11:30] yofel: http://imgur.com/zSGnz8J :3 [11:30] hahaha [11:31] colored output ftw [11:32] Riddell: I guess not [11:33] shadeslayer: no that's fine [11:34] upgrade went fine [11:34] yay! [11:41] hola sgclark, bienos dias [11:43] shadeslayer: Did you look at my comments? [11:44] ScottK: I don't see any [11:44] Riddell: good morning :) [11:45] shadeslayer: eek your web server went away! [11:45] Riddell: oh, heh [11:45] moment [11:45] Riddell: same url [11:47] shadeslayer: This has been updated since I commented last. Let me read it again. [11:48] ScottK: cheers, I updated it after you commented, made some things more clear [11:49] shadeslayer: A couple of small comments. Looking pretty good now. [11:56] Riddell: any thoughts on why kde-baseapps and konsole in next believe that the 4:4.13.2 release is newer? [11:59] konsole? Oo [11:59] that's not in the release scope of plasma5.0 is it? [11:59] neither is baseapps for that matter [11:59] konsole (4.97.0~git20140623-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1) utopic; urgency=low [12:00] sgclark: that is effective version 0:4.97.0 vs. konsole effective version 4:4.13.2 [12:00] sgclark: see epoch here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version [12:01] Riddell, sgclark: I don't think baseapps stuff should packaged [12:03] why not? [12:03] because it has no release schedule [12:06] that is a good point, I guess not a good thing to throw out to the public, but maybe an experimental next? lol [12:06] yeah [12:06] well [12:06] for now we have neon [12:07] once utopic is released we might want to do an experimental next ppa if necessary [12:07] until then stuff can be put into next [12:07] the problem with baseapps is that it has no upstream pre-release at all, so putting it in next doesn't do much good [12:08] not to mention it is only half done, aka missing konquorer etc [12:08] *nod* [12:10] but it would be kinda cool to have that stuff somewhere for daredevils that want the greatest and latest, but not as important as the greater for all stability. [12:10] neon? ^^ [12:12] yeah I did try that neon, that is really nice and achieves the above. Does neon have the frameworks build of these apps though? [12:12] I didn't think it did [12:19] project-neon5-kde-baseapps [12:19] project-neon5-konsole [12:21] ahh ok cool :) anyway I only did as I was asked. I will move on [12:37] update wants a reboot, be back shortly === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [13:09] hola [13:09] sgclark, apachelogger: sure it should be packaged, but only for a known experimental PPA [13:10] I <3 packaging, so fine with me lol [13:10] sgclark: I don't think we should add a depend on qt5-default, people will still want the option of having qt4-default with plasma 5 e.g. if you're compiling kdelibs4 stuff [13:11] instead I guess it needs the full path to qdbus somewhere [13:11] Riddell: right, the QT_SELECT=5 qdbus worked fine to login, though it is said it is an issue with qtchooser [13:14] sgclark: you added QT_SELECT=5 somewhere? [13:14] Riddell: I added QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to my .bashrc file [13:14] and it all works fine after? [13:15] yup perfectly [13:15] ok so we can probably just add that to startkde [13:15] also, how , where would we put that nifty new wallpaper in ? [13:16] I just did a fresh installation of Kubuntu, and it's probably time I report this bug. But where, or against what package? If you choose 'Belgium', some locales are set to German. [13:21] Especially weird since I selected US English as language [13:28] sgclark: wallpaper? the plasma next one with triangles? [13:28] alvin: using 14.04? [13:28] Riddell: yeah that one, I can't find it [13:28] Riddell: Yes, but I believe the bug was already there in 13.10 [13:29] Didn't think much of it then. Changed the language in KDE. But I've installed Kubuntu now on a number of occasions, and it happens every time. Set country to Belgium, language to English, and some locales will be German. [13:29] de_BE.UTF-8 to be exact === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [13:44] sgclark: it's in breeze but maybe it wasn't in for 4.97 [13:45] alvin: it might be libkubuntu's fault [13:45] or it might be ubiquity [13:45] more likely former [13:47] fwiw plasma 5 email away [13:48] shadeslayer: yay! [13:49] shadeslayer: were you going to take back sddm? if so feel free to nab any of my work from mine. I spent alot of time on copyright nd I know you are not a fan of copyright. Also a libexec patch that should go upstream if you use. [13:49] sgclark: yep [13:49] working on sanitizing sddm now [13:49] infact [13:49] I haz upstart script [13:49] ok cool [13:49] lets see if it works [13:54] ok, Bug 1334675 opened [13:54] bug 1334675 in libkubuntu (Ubuntu) "Some locales are set to de_BE.UTF-8 when choosing Country 'Belgium' and language 'US English'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334675 [13:59] half those vars are not set by libkubuntu [14:14] how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu [14:14] proofreaders needed [14:16] download column width is wrong [14:16] pictures have all random sizes [14:17] on that note if they are to continue having random sizes then the plasma1 pic needs to be aligned to the right [14:17] lots of techno talk in general [14:18] otherwise good I guess [14:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu updated with less techno speak [14:37] much better [14:37] column width is still broken :P [14:39] Riddell: I conflictered with you [14:39] but width is fixed now :P [14:45] apachelogger: thanks [14:51] yofel: ping [14:51] or another german speaker, ping [14:53] yus? [14:53] apachelogger: what needs done with this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Vertragsuebernahme-Vertragsuebergabe_eines_einzelnen_Produktes2.pdf [14:54] it's got forms in it you can edit in okular [14:54] needs to be sent by FAX [14:54] yay [14:54] but does more of it need filled in? [14:55] god that thing has pages [14:57] first page, prevoius owner needs to sign bottom of the page [14:57] Riddell: are we wiring money through germany? [14:57] I'll follow up on that locale bug, but I'll have to install a test machine. In the meantime I've set everything to my liking using the KDE System settings, BUT there's a script that changes the locales for you and it created en_BE.UTF-8. Now that's something that does not exist, so apt throws errors when trying to install stuff. [14:58] Riddell: if not scratch page 4 and add credit card details on page 3 [14:58] where it says Kreditkartendaten (nur für Kunden außerhalb Deutschlands [14:59] Now ALL locales (except LANGUAGE=en and LC_ALL=) are en_BE.UTF-8 [14:59] Riddell: then bottom of page 3 first is your name in block capitals, second is signature, third is date [15:00] Riddell: so, you need to fax page 2+3 and previous owner needs to fax page 1 [15:00] other than credit card details everything seems to be in order [15:01] groovy [15:01] Riddell: if we wire the money through germany account details for SEPA would go on page 4 [15:02] apachelogger: what is Gültigkeit ? [15:03] validity [15:03] Riddell: time until expiration of the card [15:03] (reckon it's about the credit card) [15:04] yep [15:05] apachelogger: 0180 5 66 3233* [15:05] that becomes +49180 5 66 3233 ? [15:11] Riddell: yes [15:11] * apachelogger finds it outrages that a contract move costs 50 euros processing fee [15:13] alvin: en_BE is what you get when you configure en_BE [15:13] arguably it doesn't make sense, however given the present UI it's hard to prevent that from happening [15:13] apachelogger: Yes, I'm starting to think that the errors from apt have another reason. [15:13] no [15:13] en_BE is no valid locale [15:13] LC_TYPE is not set and such [15:13] Ah [15:13] but you configured it [15:13] so libkubuntu writes it [15:14] what you need to do is configure your country to US or CA or AU or GB etc. [15:14] I configured it in System Settings by setting Country to Belgium and Language to English. A valid combination. Well, it should be. [15:15] yeah it should, except posix locale is shit :P [15:15] Ah, but when setting the country to US some things are all wrong. Like 'Letter' instead of 'A4' [15:15] yep, that's how posix locale work [15:16] I justed wanted the English language (Not British. 'Wastebin' instead of 'Trash' is not something I get used too) [15:16] It's not ideal. Can I set the KDE settings /without/ changing system locales? [15:17] you can remove .kde/env/setlocale.sh [15:17] your system will still be wrong then [15:17] Ok, but that's fixable [15:17] see, the problem is, if you configure country BE and language en in KDE you'll have A4 and stuff in KDE [15:17] but all other applications will use Letter [15:18] Yes, and 24hour format :-) [15:18] because they don't care about what the KDE setting is [15:18] that's why libkubuntu bends the KDE setting to the inferior posix locale version [15:18] I can see that. [15:18] otherwise system integration is incomplete [15:19] So, there's no setting directly 'paper size = A4' with the standard POSIX stuff? [15:19] nope [15:19] Or some switch: adhere to ISO standards. Ok, I'm dreaming [15:19] it's all locale bound [15:19] I see. [15:20] what you could do from a posix POV is define some of the LC_ variables to a locale that uses A4 [15:20] not sure which one [15:20] Well, in that case, it's only more work to set it up. I can live with that. You know, Windows gets that all wrong too. [15:20] but you don't have fine grained control beyond that [15:20] I'll look it up. [15:20] alvin: posix is an ISO standard btw [15:20] Heh, ok :-) [15:20] Didn't know that. [15:21] arguably the KDE way isn't all that smooth either [15:21] e.g. in case of CA country doesn't actually define the format at all [15:22] en_CA defaults to US formatting, while fr_CA defaults to FR formatting [15:22] yet you cannot represent that in KDE clearly (short of having two distinct countries which is not the case and would not make sense) [15:23] it's all a lot of shit regardless of the operating system [15:23] Sounds like there's still some work in that area. I hope settings are shared between other desktop environments then? [15:23] no [15:23] that's what posix is there for [15:23] except KDE chooses to not support that currently [15:24] (in plasma5 there'll be much improvement in terms of configurability though \o/) [15:24] Oh, that is fine to hear. I'm looking forward a lot to plasma5 [15:24] CA has 2 language choices since Canada is officially a biingual [15:24] that's what I am saying [15:24] but in KDE country dictates format [15:24] Well, Belgium is trilingual, if you count the 10 Germans that live here. I know the problem. [15:24] but in CA's case language defines formatting much more than country [15:25] hehe alvin :) [15:25] so if you configure it_CA, what formatting do you get? english? french? italian? none? [15:25] it's all much madness [15:26] I always choose English, there's the French Canada choice available if one wants it [15:27] a lot of Canadians just choose the US format for safety's sake [15:27] lol, yes. That reminds me that I still have to file a bug for the holidays in the KDE calendar. These are in French by default when you set the country to Belgium, while it should look at the language. [15:29] There's a choice between 'French', 'Dutch' and 'Walloon'. French = Walloon, and the 10 Germans are forgotten. [15:55] somehow I missed this, there's no 4.15 SC planned http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=140191565904116&w=2 [16:00] Riddell: I am now seeing the perils of qt5-default. kgraphviewer seems to be qt4 only. I have my utopic set up for frameworks qt5 packaging, how do I do both? [16:02] sgclark: just install qt4-default [16:02] all will be fine until you need to log in again :) [16:02] lol [16:02] * sgclark sets up another chroot [16:04] wouldn't it work to just export QT_SELECT? [16:04] for the build shell [16:04] oh hey that could work, thanks [17:24] ScottK: plasma 5 schedule decision http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2014-June/033065.html [17:24] in progress.. [17:24] I'm proposing having bugfix releases but opinion seems to be for just monthly releases for now because it's not advised that distros ship it as default [17:48] Riddell: kgraphviewer for trusty is ready, where do I put this? [17:53] sgclark: oh cool, do you have it for utopic too? [17:53] Riddell: not yet, should be relatively simple though now that the bulk work is done. [17:54] sgclark: check it all works in utopic then give to me to upload to utopic [17:54] and you can upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports [17:54] for trusty [17:55] Riddell: ok [18:01] hmmm any kubuntu user using the latest opera development build? [18:02] not I [18:03] i am giving it a try just now and it seems to be very fast :o [18:06] ahh, alas if only it was free software [18:07] hmmm... well isnt it free? i dont pay a single cent for it...... you sound like a fedora user :P [18:12] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/kubuntu/+packages it is still waiting to build but I suspect you can still get the files? [18:17] Riddell: massif-visualizer depends on these. I have to make a quick trip to store and will work on that when I return. [18:20] mcstr_: most Linux distros only ship Free software [18:21] @riddell thats true but i am a bit more mainstream in this regard.... as long as its available and costs no money i find it ok to use it..... bein it the non-free codecs, software or whatever..... [18:22] yeah that's fine, we just can't ship it is all [18:23] no worries :) [18:24] i also like konqueror and rekonq esp. on kde4... not convinced of those in kde plasma next yet [18:24] have used mozilla firefox most of my time over the last years but opera now seems to be easier on ram and ressources in general === OnkV is now known as haudegen [19:43] alpha 1 is out! [19:45] santa_: you made kde-workspace break kde-style-skulpture last year saying "Add Breaks against kwin styles which wouldn't work with this latest kde-window-manager release" can you remember why it wouldn't work? [19:45] shadeslayer: I think that's why kde-workspace has not transitioned [19:47] Riddell: hi, I think there was an api change and that style was unmaintained [19:47] hmm, but it seems to compile [19:47] spoke I can but install them and see what happens [19:48] and does it work? [19:48] dunno need to test that now [19:48] http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kde-style-skulpture/news/20120510T181231Z.html [19:48] indeed, it was unmaintained [19:49] I remember they were a few which didn't work and wasn't very feasible to fix them [19:50] I remember there was one which left the windows without decoration [19:50] which would be an ugly situation for an inexperienced user [19:52] so the solution was putting that breaks there, so the style would be uninstalled [19:52] ah then I'll just follow debian and remove it [19:52] but of course if you can make them work again, that breaks should be removed [20:15] Riddell: how's the server state? [20:17] ovidiu-florin: sent off form, e-mailed them, waiting for reply [20:17] ok, thanks [22:00] yofel: we might want to shut down http://kubuntu.s3.amazonaws.com/list.html [22:00] :P [22:00] that shit is still working [22:03] oh right, I totally forgot about that [22:03] write something nice on the grave :P [22:05] yeah, I'll get Riddell to delete stuff tomorrow [22:23] updates to neon are done through normal session or do i have to login to neon ? [22:24] which one [22:24] also, updates to Neon 5 are unsupported [22:24] with all the moving around and what not [22:25] http://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext [22:26] right, upgrades are unsupported and at your own risk fwiw [22:26] soee_: I usually do : sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" dist-upgrade [22:27] shadeslayer: but, if you release weekly updates for plasma-next in neon [22:27] than i can get updates form normal session ? [22:27] *update the neon packages [22:27] right, but they're unsupported in the sense of, if files are moved around, you have to force overwrite things [22:28] since the packaging does not really track those kind of things [22:28] okay :) [22:29] i saw some shcedule and plasma next final will be released next moth ?