[00:02] <robotti^> I could fix my sound on vlc using pavucontrol
[00:03] <robotti^> because I sould not change output device using gui apps
[00:04] <rcw2> lordievader, can you help robotti^
[00:05] <rcw2> or BluesKaj
[00:06] <rcw2> robotti^, wait for one of them
[00:08] <robotti^> rcw2: using pavucontrol I was able to fix sound.
[00:08] <robotti^> :D
[00:08] <robotti^> cool
[00:09] <robotti^> I was just trying to configure my alsa by hand
[00:09] <robotti^> but pavucontrol was easy way to fix sound
[00:11] <rcw2> robotti^, maybe  pavucontrol let you universalize pulseaudio to a greater extent in your system there
[00:13] <rosco_y> How do I disable the Guest Account?
[00:14] <rcw2> rosco_y, disable from login screen only?
[00:15] <rosco_y> rcw2: ty, yes
[00:16] <rcw2> rosco_y, uncheck guest login here if that's your aim: http://forum.linuxbsdos.com/topic/101/how-to-disable-guest-account-from-the-login-screen-in-kubuntu
[00:16] <robotti^> rcw2: for some reason system wants to use integrated sound chip by default
[00:16] <robotti^> and it gives to me headaches
[00:17] <rcw2> robotti^, talk to the kubuntu coders :)
[00:17] <robotti^> it is same with other linux distros also
[00:18] <robotti^> it was just first time to be so hard to change output
[00:18] <rcw2> some hardware is better coded for
[00:18] <robotti^> because I normally just change output and it works
[00:18] <robotti^> but now I could not change by default sound applet. That's why I finally installed pavucontrol and it works great now.
[00:19] <robotti^> rcw2: hardware drivers are working fine, but it just use wrong sound card :)
[00:19] <robotti^> because I have multiple sound cards on my computer
[00:21] <rcw2> robotti^, i imagine linux looking for one not two
[00:22] <rcw2> limited resources? :)
[00:22] <robotti^> It can support nicely several sound cards, sound outputs and inputs. But UI is not so intuitive and doing thins easily.
[00:22] <robotti^> things
[00:23] <rcw2> robotti^, yeah nice ui for minimal setup not luxury right?
[00:23] <rcw2> hardware-wise
[00:23] <robotti^> It can support -> It supports
[00:24] <robotti^> I just love GUI to informative and intuitive. And of course it should work.
[00:24] <rcw2> robotti^, well not nicely several apparently?
[00:25] <robotti^> whatever, it does work good enough now
[00:26] <robotti^> this is first time for over 10 years that I am using KDE.
[00:27] <robotti^> Last time it was like 2001-2003?
[00:29] <robotti^> rcw2: thanks for your help!
[00:30] <rcw2> robotti^, nice to know i had some involvement! :)
[00:31] <robotti^> inetutils-traceroute
[01:34] <Guest22724> Hello, having issue with my HP Compaq dc5800 failing to wake from suspend.  I currently have proc/acpi/wakeup open right now, but don't know what to do next.
[01:34] <Guest22724> :)
[02:46] <Guest22724> Hello, having issue with my HP Compaq dc5800 failing to wake from suspend. I currently have proc/acpi/wakeup open right now, but don't know what to do next.
[02:59] <bbx> hello , i have 14.10 , i am getting this error ..            libc6:amd64 depends on libgcc1; however:   Package libgcc1 is not installed.
[02:59] <bbx> can someone help me resolve this issue , i have looked around for a while ,,
[04:22] <noaXess> morning
[04:22] <noaXess> muon is still default software and udate manager, right?
[04:33] <noaXess> mine does not automatically search for updates and show icon.. i can set it to show notification, but it will be anytie disabled: http://i.imgur.com/dnVnRxZ.png
[05:46] <lordievader> robotti^: Quickly reading your original message, sounds like you are using ALSA and not Pulseaudio.
[05:46] <lordievader> robotti^: Is this correct?
[05:46] <lordievader> Good morning, by the by ;)
[10:02] <Pogo> I'm looking to update from Ubuntu 10.04 to Kubuntu 14.04. I went looking for the docs page at docs.kubuntu.org and could not find it. Can anyone point me to the documentation?
[10:12] <Walex> Pogo: that they are Ubuntu and Kubuntu does not matter a lot, jus different package selections, but IIRC only single-step LTS upgrades are supported, so you may have to do 10.4 to 12.04 and then 12.04 to 14.04
[10:14] <Pogo> I'll be backing up and doing a full install. The reason for looking for the docs was to see how to import my mail settings. Ubuntu-GNOME uses Thunderbird, which van read the Evolution contacts and email folders, but I don't know what Kmail can do.
[10:15] <Walex> Pogo: Ubuntu have a command to do one-step: 'do-release-upgrade' and there is some documentation that you can easily find by web search
[10:15] <Walex> Pogo: if you have no particular reason to reinstall, don't. In place-upgrade works pretty well.
[10:16] <Walex> However your Thunderbird-to-KMail transition is a different problem, that has little to do with the 10.04 to 14.04 upgrade.
[10:17] <Pogo> I got stuck on that getting from 8.10 to 9.04. I ended up doing a full reinstall, and have done so ever since.
[10:17] <Walex> a particular reason to reinstall rather than upgrade-in-place is that it makes things rather faster, as in-place-upgrades over time fragment the filesystem a lot.
[10:18] <Walex> Pogo: Thunderbird keeps mail archives in a standard format, and you ought to be able to import that in KMail fairly easily.
[10:18] <Pogo> And I'm on a netbook with a relatively small SSD, so fragmenting is a problem to be avoided.
[10:18] <hateball> I've done do-release-upgrade since... 6.06. Never had any showstoppers, just a few broken things as is expected.
[10:18] <hateball> Pogo: Does it support TRIM?
[10:19] <Pogo> Sorry, I don't know TRIM.
[10:19] <hateball> !trim
[10:19] <Walex> Pogo: *filesystem* fragmentation is less of a problem woth flash SSD, but admittely it is still a good idea to defragment the filesystem
[10:20] <Walex> Pogo: TRIM/FSTRIM are really important features to extend the file of flash SSDs and keep their speed from decaying.
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:20] <Pogo> Thanks, I'll see how I end up. In any case, what I need to find now is the documentation for Kmail. So... Can I get a link?
[10:22] <Walex> Pogo: the best way to use it is to rung "fstrim $MOUNTPOINT" every now and then (e.g. weekly, or after major writing spurts like an upgrade or reinstall)
[10:23] <Walex> Pogo: doing a search with keywords "import from thunderbird to kmail"
[10:23] <Walex> http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/Tools#Mail_Import_Tools
[10:24] <Walex> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?40125-Moving-from-Thunderbird-to-Kmail-and-some-tips-about-other-parts-of-the-PIM
[10:24] <Walex> http://uniquegeek.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/import-thunderbird-mail-into-kmail.html
[10:24] <Pogo> Thanks Walex. I'll schedule it after the install. Thanks heaps for your help. Time for me to eat...
[11:12] <Pogo> Quick read of the docs that Walex pointed me to, and my questions are answered. Thanks all. Goodnight.
[11:20] <zenesc> anyone supporting?
[11:23] <zenesc> having trouble reinstaling kubuntu on laptop. Impossible to clear dev/sdb on gparted, stays on error
[11:26] <zenesc> tried to install mint and then ubuntu, impossible due to partition, don't know how to clear it
[11:27] <BluesKaj> zenesc, delete the partition first then reset it to ext4
[11:28] <zenesc> impossible to delete in gparted, also tried in konsole, need a proper step by step
[11:29] <BluesKaj> are you using the gparted live-cd?
[11:29] <zenesc> gparted on usb key
[11:30] <BluesKaj> is the partition encrypted by any chance?
[11:31] <zenesc> no, was set up automatically not encrypted
[11:32] <zenesc> try to acces from usb key kubuntu, mint, ubuntu, but same . from gparted can acces key kubuntu but not hard disc
[11:33] <BluesKaj> is this laptop less then 3 yrs old? and does it still have Windows installed?
[11:34] <zenesc> no more windows
[11:35] <BluesKaj> is there a /dev/sda partition?
[11:35] <zenesc> can I format hard disk (don't know how) and reinstall?
[11:35] <zenesc> the dev/sda partition is the usb key kubuntu
[11:36] <zenesc> for it boots on the key for installation
[11:37] <BluesKaj> zenesc, with gparted try a new partition table for the hdd , then reformat
[11:38] <zenesc> doesn't accept new partition table
[11:40] <BluesKaj> what's on that partition ?
[11:41] <nandhu> zenesc -> Are you trying to install in /dev/sdb?
[11:42] <nandhu> zenesc --> I guess you might have the live OS in /dev/sdb . And trying to install on same
[11:42] <zenesc> I am opening KDE partition manager
[11:42] <nandhu> could you tell how many partition it shows
[11:42] <BluesKaj> nandhu, that's what I suspected
[11:43] <zenesc> dev/sda in the usbkey dev/sdb hard disk
[11:43] <nandhu> zenesc -> did you tried to install in dev/sda?
[11:43] <nandhu> usually /dev/sda will be your hard disk
[11:43] <zenesc> no
[11:44] <nandhu> could you past the error message in past bin
[11:44] <zenesc> sda in 4 gib corresponding to the usb key, sdb in 300gib
[11:44] <nandhu> ok then sdb is your HDD i guess
[11:44] <nandhu> zenesc -> so you are tyring to install in sdb?
[11:45] <zenesc> yes
[11:45] <nandhu> zenesc -> what is the exact error message you get?
[11:46] <nandhu> zenesc -> have to tried to delete all partition in sdb and recreate it
[11:46] <zenesc> the is no partition table at the moment
[11:47] <zenesc> I ge teror on created new partition table on dev/sdb
[11:48] <nandhu> zenesc -> i guess partation is currupted .. Just give me a moment  i too got this error once
[11:50] <nandhu> zenesc ->Try to create a new partation table
[11:50] <BluesKaj> zenesc, unmount the partition and try to format, if possible
[11:50] <nandhu> zenesc ->under devices create partation table
[11:50] <nandhu> and select MBR
[11:51] <zenesc> need label afet file system ext4
[11:51] <nandhu> so you are able to create partation now?
[11:51] <nandhu> only lable issue
[11:52] <BluesKaj> choose ext4
[11:52] <BluesKaj> no label needed, just ext4
[11:52] <nandhu> yes label is optional
[11:54] <zenesc> get error create new partition table on /dev/sdb
[11:55] <nandhu> could you type "sudo fdisk -l"
[11:55] <nandhu> and past the output
[11:56] <nandhu> in Terminal
[11:56] <BluesKaj> zenesc, can you choose "check" in the option dialog (right click)
[11:58] <zenesc> get text in terminal don't understand
[11:58] <nandhu> open the Terminal (command prompt for linux)
[11:58] <nandhu> use (ctrl+alt+t)
[11:59] <zenesc> seems to be dev/sda as disk
[12:00] <zenesc> says: dev/sda:4051 MB 151 heads, 42 sectors/track, 1247 cylinders etc
[12:01] <zenesc> device bot dev/sda1
[12:01] <BluesKaj> zenesc, so the usb is dev/sdb
[12:01] <nandhu> yes so /dev/sda is USB since it shows 4051 MB
[12:01] <zenesc> no usb is dev/sda
[12:02] <nandhu> oh ya
[12:02] <nandhu> sorry
[12:02] <BluesKaj> it shouldn't be
[12:02] <nandhu> ok please past the complete output
[12:02] <nandhu> use pastbin.com
[12:02] <nandhu> and give link
[12:02] <zenesc> because it boots on it from bios there is nothing on pc at the moment no OS
[12:03] <BluesKaj> zenesc, how many partitions on the drive?
[12:04] <zenesc> don't know think nothing
[12:04] <nandhu> ok zenesc if you are sure that sdb is the harddisk
[12:04] <nandhu> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[12:04] <nandhu> try the above command in Terminal
[12:04] <nandhu> it will clear the complete hardisk
[12:04] <nandhu> then you can create new partation
[12:04] <nandhu> sorry
[12:04] <nandhu> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[12:04] <nandhu> sdb
[12:04] <nandhu> not sda
[12:05] <BluesKaj> that will take some time tho
[12:05] <nandhu> yes
[12:05] <nandhu> it will take some time
[12:06] <BluesKaj> doubt that dd will be able to write to the disk, simce it errors with any kind of input
[12:06] <BluesKaj> since
[12:07] <zenesc> failed to open /dev/sdb permision denied
[12:07] <BluesKaj> sudo dd
[12:08] <zenesc> no answer
[12:08] <BluesKaj> then it's writing
[12:09] <zenesc> is that ok?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> do you see the disk activity light on ?
[12:09] <nandhu> use sudo
[12:09] <BluesKaj> flickering
[12:09] <nandhu> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[12:10] <BluesKaj> he did
[12:10] <zenesc> no flikering on key, fix light
[12:11] <BluesKaj> ok well steady ones and zeros probly gives a steady light
[12:12] <zenesc> if sudo dd make it work, it should be long for it reads from usb2key
[12:12] <BluesKaj> zenesc, how large is the partition, do you recall?
[12:13] <zenesc> probably 200gib
[12:14] <zenesc> it was done automatically from instalation
[12:14] <nandhu> can you try using
[12:14] <nandhu> sudo cfdisk
[12:14] <BluesKaj> zenesc, what installation?
[12:15] <nandhu> sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb
[12:15] <nandhu> try to formate using cfdisk
[12:15] <nandhu> its a command line tool
[12:16] <zenesc> I installed kubuntu before in it then removed and try to install again
[12:18] <zenesc> sudo cfdisk give sda
[12:18] <zenesc> ok sdb
[12:19] <nandhu> so you are able to delete partation over there
[12:19] <zenesc> fatal error cannot read disk drive
[12:20] <zenesc> this for sdb
[12:37] <BluesKaj> zenesc, does the drive show any data on the "used" portion?
[12:38] <zenesc> how can I know?
[12:39] <zenesc> look at partition editor
[12:39] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:40] <BluesKaj> a portion of the partition will show up as a different colour which represents data
[12:42] <BluesKaj> zenesc, you said kubuntu installed but you removed it. how did you remove it?
[12:42] <zenesc> don't seen to have anything and says unrecognised disk label
[12:43] <zenesc> From gparted erasing first partition
[12:45] <BluesKaj> by erasing do you mean delete
[12:45] <zenesc> si
[12:46] <zenesc> I could then reinstall Kubuntu but didn't get to be stable. now impossible
[12:47] <BluesKaj> you said first partition,are there any others?
[12:48] <zenesc> on partition manager says no valid partition table was found on this device
[12:50] <zenesc> not now because I did installed many time trying all options, from only one partition deleting the others and then with new partitions and then nothing, at the moment no table found on the device
[12:55] <zenesc> is there a way to format hd?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> zenesc, open the terminal and try this , sudo fdisk /dev/sdb n
[12:57] <BluesKaj> we need to create a partition table before we can format
[12:59] <BluesKaj> zenesc, then sudo fdisk /dev/sdb w
[13:00] <zenesc> option fdisk`give same options
[13:00] <zenesc> from b to s
[13:02] <BluesKaj> sorry, sudo fdisk /dev/sdb -n , then sudo fdisk /dev/sdb -w
[13:05] <zenesc> -n and -w give invalide options
[13:06] <zenesc> -b,-c,-h,-u,-v,-C,-H,-S
[13:06] <zenesc> but don't know how to write it
[13:08] <zenesc> with -b says it requires an argument
[13:10] <zenesc> tried fdisk [b]sdb
[14:11] <alvin> Is there a PPA with kernels to test? I have trouble loading Bluetooth firmware after wake up from suspend
[14:12] <yofel> alvin: if you mean vanilla kernels, there's http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[14:13] <alvin> yofel: Maybe. Won't I miss a lot of necessary patches?
[14:13] <alvin> It's worth a try
[14:13] <yofel> well, you'll miss the ubuntu patches, whether you need them or not depends on the situation
[14:47] <robotti^> lordievader: yes, most modern desktop applications are using pulseaudio. and many are using alsa like flash.
[14:47] <robotti^> lordievader: I am using both
[14:48] <robotti^> of course every software has alsa support
[14:59] <BluesKaj> intel cpu and other mobos that use intel hda audio like those on lenovo don't need pulseaudio for flash and als to work together on websites, other mobos are not so lucky
[15:00] <BluesKaj> als=alsa
[15:00] <lordievader> robotti^: Both? I hope you are using ALSA through Pulse.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> my amd cpu equipped pcs need pulseaudio for webaudio even tho one has the intel hda chip on SB
[15:06] <BluesKaj> still haven't figured out why alsa and flash don't link thru websites without pulse on some boards and not others , it's a mystery to me
[15:20] <Avihay> well, noone realy grocks linox sound, or else it would have "Just works(tm)"
[15:32] <Billie> How can I install Ubuntu on Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500TC Convertible?
[16:24] <robotti^> lordievader: Yes
[16:25] <robotti^> BluesKaj: hello
[16:26] <robotti^> BluesKaj: is your sound broken on browsers?
[16:26] <robotti^> BluesKaj: or using wrong sound card?
[16:30] <lordievader> robotti^: Have you installed pavucontrol?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> robotti^, no my sound is fine, just commenting that I need pulseaudio on my HP/amd pcs, but not on my Lenovo/intel laptop
[17:23] <robotti^> aah, okay :)
[18:01] <st0rmg0d> Hiho! Someone knows the installing time of linuxmint kde x68 ? ... my pc is working since 20 minutes and has 30% ...
[18:08] <Guest80494> tr
[18:08] <bprompt> hmm
[20:14] <andrew__> Hi all
[20:15] <lordievader> o/
[20:15] <andrew__> I installed Kubuntu, then Windows, now GRUB loader is temporarily gone. I know the general procedure that I should follow in order to regain it (http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows), but I don't know which partition I should replace /dev/sdXX. The partition on which there is Linux?
[20:16] <lordievader> andrew__: You install grub to the root of the device. Usually this is /dev/sda
[20:17] <bprompt> ditto
[20:17] <lordievader> andrew__: However, this is a better guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[20:17] <andrew__> lordievader: I've seen it. But it doesn't work.
[20:18] <andrew__> ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/ shows only CD-ROM, that's all.
[20:18] <lordievader> andrew__: The terminal way works, you might have to mount /boot and point to it. But it works.
[20:19] <andrew__> lordievader: I do not have /boot as a separate partition.
[20:19] <bprompt> andrew__:     did you mean   ->   sudo fdisk -l ?
[20:19] <lordievader> Then it might still be necessary to tell the grub-installer where /boot is.
[20:21] <andrew__> bprompt: no, I meant ls -l /dev/disk/by-label
[20:21] <andrew__> lordievader: how?
[20:21] <andrew__> aha, it screamed something like "is /dev/ mounted?"
[20:22] <lordievader> andrew__: "sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mnt&&sudo grub-install --boot-directory /mnt/boot" Change sdaX into your root-fs.
[20:23] <andrew__> ok, thx, I will try, we will see if this simple procedure works...
[20:46] <andrew__> no, this simple procedure simply does not work
[20:46] <andrew__> complained of SquashFS, something like that
[21:15] <bnutzer> hey, i just discovered something positive about the state of 14.04 :) it's still quite buggy for me, but looks like some bug disabled the desktop search! :)
[22:14] <cfaulk40> Evening :)  Well I'm still stuck in ubuntu - I don't know what's going on, but I've downloaded the same ISO from Kubuntu 3 times now, burned it to USB Stick with unetbootin, and all three times it comes back with "Boot Error" when I try to boot from it.
[22:15] <cfaulk40> Does anyone have any ideas that could help me please? I recall being able to "burn" somewhere with dd from a terminal, but I'll be damned if I can remember how.
[22:18] <shadeslayer> cfaulk40: which release?
[22:18] <cfaulk40> 14.04
[22:19] <shadeslayer> have you tried with usb-creator
[22:19] <shadeslayer> and then dd'ing the ISO
[22:19] <cfaulk40> it's doing my nut.  I dl'd the wrong ISO - i got one from ubuntu.org, and wound up with a load of gnome stuff I didn't want.
[22:19] <shadeslayer> also make sure the md5sum is correct
[22:19] <cfaulk40> I don't know how to use usb-creator
[22:21] <cfaulk40> I just looked in my apps menu - i don't even have a usb-creator in there
[22:21] <shadeslayer> cfaulk40: uh, what OS are you running
[22:21] <cfaulk40> at the moment, ubuntu 14.04LTS
[22:21] <shadeslayer> ok
[22:21] <shadeslayer> just dd it then
[22:21] <shadeslayer> press ctrl+alt+t
[22:22] <cfaulk40> ok, i got a terminal
[22:22] <shadeslayer> a terminal will pop up -> sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX
[22:22] <shadeslayer> where X => device
[22:22] <cfaulk40> ok, i'll get that done now
[22:22] <TheFakeazneD525> Ubuntu.org isn't the site :/
[22:22] <shadeslayer> ( usually you can do sudo fdisk -l to find out which is your usb disk )
[22:22] <TheFakeazneD525> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:22] <shadeslayer> ^^
[22:23] <cfaulk40> I know what I mean, even if nobody else does :P
[22:24] <cfaulk40> All I know is, I got an Ubuntu ISO instead of a Kubuntu ISO
[22:24] <ikonia> you downloaded the wrong iso, no big deal
[22:25]  * shadeslayer heads to bed
[22:25] <shadeslayer> night everyone
[22:27] <cfaulk40> ikonia, The thing is, I only did what I did last time - which probably means the last install I had of kubuntu, 12.04 LTS, probably wasn't kubuntu.
[22:27] <ikonia> if you can't tell the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu, what does it matter what it is
[22:29] <cfaulk40> I can, but I sorta can't.  Having holes in your memory the size of lakes isn't a good thing, it plays hell with your brain.
[22:29] <ikonia> so "you can't"
[22:30] <cfaulk40> the only thing which gives it away is a lot of gnome things which i didn't really want :)
[22:30] <ikonia> the thing that gives it away is the huge boot logo that says "ubuntu" or "kubuntu" then the desktop either being unity or kde
[22:30] <ikonia> those are two huge things that "give it away"
[22:33] <cfaulk40> in that case it was kubuntu.
[22:35] <cfaulk40> It just didn't "look" like I remember KDE in any way.  I guess shit changes with time :D
[22:35] <ikonia> no need to swear
[22:36] <cfaulk40_> sorry, dropped off for a bit.
[22:52] <CharlieTheCabbie> ok, well i know what's wrong now, and why the burns have been failing. dd just output an error - no space left on device.  It's trying to write past EOD, so I have to get a bigger usb stick.
[22:52] <CharlieTheCabbie> I'll try some other time.
[22:53] <CharlieTheCabbie> i don't get it though - it's a 1GB stick, and a 1GB iso.
[22:53] <CharlieTheCabbie> is my math faulty or something?
[22:56] <ikonia> how big EXACTLY is the iso
[22:58] <CharlieTheCabbie> one sec
[22:59] <CharlieTheCabbie> 1012MB
[22:59] <ikonia> and how big exactly is your usb
[23:00] <CharlieTheCabbie> 1018MB
[23:01] <ikonia> so on paper that should fit, however I suspect rounding maybe causing you a problem, try changing the block size
[23:01] <ikonia> or to be safe, just use a bigger usb
[23:01] <ikonia> or a dvd
[23:02] <TheFakeazneD525> iso kinda compacts stuff
[23:02] <TheFakeazneD525> I guess
[23:02] <TheFakeazneD525> s/guess/think
[23:02] <ikonia> what has that got to do with anything ?
[23:02] <CharlieTheCabbie> so the math now does fail me, do I shrink or increase the bs attribute in the dd command?
[23:03] <ikonia> CharlieTheCabbie: you can use the bs= syntax for the block size it writes in,
[23:03] <CharlieTheCabbie> ok, we'll try again! I'll be blowed if I'm giving up on this :)
[23:19] <dodger_> i could imagine that the file system allocates a bit of the space for every so many blocks that are written, so you may end up each MB of data copied to the stick actually taking up a little more than 1MB
[23:20] <dodger_> block size waste should really only come into play if you have many files
[23:20] <CharlieTheCabbie> yeah, I can't seem to get it on the stick no matter how hard I try, so I'll just have to nip out in the morning and buy a more up to date stick.  I've had this one about 3 years :)
[23:20] <CharlieTheCabbie> I'll come back and have another shot then. Right now, I need Z's before I wake up with poiuytrewq embossed into my forehead in the morning.
[23:21] <CharlieTheCabbie> I don't like sleeping on keyboards!
[23:21] <CharlieTheCabbie> night all.
[23:21] <dodger_> i have one of these on my keychain that i carry a live Kubuntu around on (and my encryption key for two-factor authentication for my laptop :P)
[23:21] <dodger_> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kingston-technology-datatraveler-micro-8gb-usb-flash-drive-black/5909325.p?id=1218705874830&skuId=5909325&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=5909325&extensionType=pla:g&s_kwcid=PTC!pla!!!40526151319!g!!49989913879&kpid=5909325&k_clickid=3042aeda-8c00-8768-7b7e-000039b5f800
[23:21] <dodger_> haha
[23:21] <dodger_> goodnight!
[23:21] <CharlieTheCabbie> I have a friend of mine who put the boot sector for his linux install onto a USB stick
[23:22] <CharlieTheCabbie> became fatal for him, cause he lost his USB stick and couldn't boot his own pc.
[23:22] <dodger_> hehe
[23:22] <dodger_> i keep two copies of the key
[23:22] <dodger_> one on my desktop and one on my phone
[23:22] <CharlieTheCabbie> good call :)
[23:22] <CharlieTheCabbie> Anyhow, just gonna say hello to some regs, then off to bed.
[23:22] <CharlieTheCabbie> See ya