[02:21] <Shaniro> hi! is it normal that programs start up a bit slow / sluggish with lxde, in general?
[02:21] <holstein> Shaniro: no
[02:22] <holstein> depends on hardware specs and system config.. and hardware support
[02:22] <Shaniro> holstein: ok. i'm running lubuntu form a usb drive (installed, not live), before i used kde. it responded with more "vigilance"
[02:23] <holstein> live can make it run slower as well
[02:23] <holstein> you have the read speed of USB and the stick
[02:24] <Shaniro> nope, i run it in a certainly fine laptop. it has no hardrive. swappiness is 20
[02:24] <Shaniro> *40
[02:24] <holstein> nope?
[02:25] <holstein> wel, i dont mean to instigate an agrument.. all im saying is, regardless, the speed of the drive where the installed or live OS is booting from is a factor, and a limit
[02:26] <Shaniro> i'm not talking about booting up. i'm talking about when i start up programs, like a browser
[02:27] <holstein> Shaniro: sure
[02:27] <holstein> Shaniro: im talking about the read speed of *any* drive.. it'll load things at the speed of the drive.. if its a USB stick, then thats the limit
[02:27] <Shaniro> the system itself doesn't freeze (wich is very good) but the programs start up very slowly. more slowly than with the standard kubuntu (also installed to usb drive, not live, installed)
[02:27] <holstein> Shaniro: you are likely comparing an older version of kubuntu with a newer version of lubuntu?
[02:28] <Shaniro> oh. that could be possible. i was running kde 4 how ever
[02:28] <Shaniro> i have a feeling, i'm doing something wrong with my set up.
[02:29] <holstein> Shaniro: im not arguing your KDE wasnt faster that LXDE.. but, its a fact that lxde is considered lighter than KDE, and you are comparing more than just the desktops there
[02:29] <holstein> you would need something like kubuntu and lubuntu 14.04. both the same kernel.. then, thats a better analogous test
[02:30] <Shaniro> holstein: it is! i can see it very well myself. i'm not whineing about it. it just surprised me that the "start up time" with any program is so much longer.
[02:31] <holstein> Shaniro: you are free to "whine about it", just somewhere else ;) ..im just trying to help with test cases
[02:31] <holstein> Shaniro: you can try something that loads into ram..
[02:32] <Shaniro> holstein: =) well i'm a speciall case maybe. yes. i'm loading most of it to ram.
[02:32] <Shaniro> 2gb
[02:33] <holstein> Shaniro: you are doing what to load what into ram?
[02:34] <holstein> Shaniro: you are using boot to ram? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[02:35] <Shaniro> swappiness 40, installed to usb (8gb) another usb stick with 4gb indicated as swap
[02:35] <holstein> i find, swappiness can be more problem than its worth.. i wouldnt expect magic there. and i wouldnt be swapping to the USB
[02:36] <holstein> in fact, i would install to the USB stick onto one ext2 partition without swap
[02:38] <Shaniro> i could try it. i'm just a bit buzzled, my previous experiences with lxde+<anything> were extreamly good.
[02:40] <Shaniro> possible a hardware thing then. but thanks holstein =)
[02:41] <holstein> Shaniro: im not sure what i read there
[02:41] <holstein> Shaniro:  you are saying, you would try it? but your experience with lxde + anything were good?
[02:42] <holstein> Shaniro: that makes me thing you have read that i have somehow suggested an alternative to lxde?
[02:42] <holstein> Shaniro: im talking about basic disk managment.. i dont personally put swap on usb sticks.. or sd cards
[02:43] <Shaniro> no, you misunderstood me a bit. also i did expalain it a bit wrong
[02:43] <Shaniro> lets start again ;) so i have this set up.
[02:44] <Shaniro> the 4gb swap drive is there for a back up if something big happens
[02:44] <Shaniro> i don't want to swap to the "main" usb stick becouse it will slow the system it self down
[02:45] <Shaniro> atm. i don't even need any of swap (thank you lxde, with kde, there would be usage already)
[02:45] <holstein> Shaniro: i think you are over complicating the setup, and doing things that are actually slowing things down that you think are helping
[02:45] <Shaniro> this set up works just fine. BUT the programs start up kinda slow
[02:46] <holstein> Shaniro: if it worked fine, you wouldnt be here, friend..
[02:46] <Shaniro> with kubuntu...
[02:46] <Shaniro> holstein: ok. it early morning here.
[02:47] <Shaniro> i'll get a good sleep and visit you again tomorrow
[02:48] <Shaniro> (most likely i just facepalm myself becouse i've made some stupid mistake)
[02:48] <Shaniro> c'ya
[07:39] <lagggggg> ..
[07:43] <dotdut> anyone here?
[07:45] <hateball> Surely a few
[11:53] <wad67> Hello all, having a little trouble with a network bridge. I have an ethernet cable from my router, going into my motherboard on this here lubuntu machine, I have an ethernet card plugged into my PCI slot and an ethernet cable running to a laptop I want to bridge my connection to, the windows 7 laptop flat out refuses to connect to the bridge and I
[11:53] <wad67> am not 100% if I have it set up correctly. If someone would be so inclined to lend a hand I would be quite happy, thanks.
[12:00] <wad67> Going to try and boot into lubuntu on my laptop, and see If I can connect easier from there\
[12:25] <wad67> still no luck, might try another card I got
[16:27] <tony_> can anyone tell me where i need to go to added my wireless adapter so ubuntu will see it?
[16:28] <tony_> *add
[18:53] <BrianEquator> Hi there. I'm a newbie to Lubuntu and tried to install it on an Eee PC 701 using the alternate installer. But I only get to the console. During installation I got a dependency error with libunity and libunity-scopes-json-def-desktop. Any hints? Thx.
[18:53] <phillw> BrianEquator: first run the self check on the CD
[18:55] <BrianEquator> Ok. Boot from CD?
[18:57] <wxl> libUNITY is part of lubuntu?
[18:57] <wxl> !info libunity
[18:57] <wxl> hah
[18:57] <BrianEquator> wxl: I was surprised too.
[18:58] <BrianEquator> I booted from the USB stick now and started the self test. The integrity test failed. So I should download the ISO file again?
[18:58] <wxl> BrianEquator: yes and double check md5 against the published values on the iso and if that succeeds on the usb stick too
[18:58] <wxl> !md5 | BrianEquator
[18:59] <BrianEquator> Thank you very much everybody!
[19:01] <pmatulis> looks like pcmanfm is finally working decently with 14.04
[19:01] <pmatulis> thanks for that
[19:05] <phillw> BrianEquator: we always ask people to run the self check, and we're as guilty as everyone for not doing. But if you ever get a weird error meaasage... 1st thing is to check the ISO. To save downloading the entire ISO again, you can usr zsync.
[19:05] <phillw> s/usr/use
[19:37] <wxl> it's official: 14.10 alpha1 is here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2014-June/008059.html
[19:41] <SpComb> does it have systemd?
[19:48] <BrianEquator> phillw: Thanks again. The ISO file is okay. Now trying with another USB stick.
[19:56] <phillw> BrianEquator: there are issues with making usb sticks. I'd suggest heading to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI and having a read of that. We know that works :)
[20:00] <BrianEquator> phillw: I will look for that. Until now I used unetbootin-windows-608.exe. But with the other stick the Integrity test fails exactly at the same place.
[20:01] <phillw> BrianEquator: he has also got https://help.ubuntu.com/community/9w
[20:01] <phillw> I just look after the non-pae kernel and host all his stuff :)
[20:03] <phillw> He's happy yo help people out, although I must say that he has done a fantastic job of the wiki pages.
[20:03] <phillw> s/yo/to
[20:03] <BrianEquator> May I ask another weird question?
[20:07] <phillw> !ask
[20:09] <BrianEquator> Okay, sorry. Question: I checked the MD5 of the first file where the Integrity check fails. But the MD5 of the file is the same as listed in md5sum.txt.
[20:10] <phillw> if the iso is okay (always a good start) then it is the writing it to usb that is failing, this is a known issue and the install team say to use dd :) This is part of what OBI makes a bit easier.
[20:10] <BrianEquator> Ye
[20:11] <BrianEquator> Yes, I understand that. But if I copy the corrupted file from USB to hard disk and check the MD5 from exactly this one it seems to be okay. But I'll look for dd now.
[20:12] <phillw> BrianEquator: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI has dd images, or if you have the ISO, simply dd it yourself :)
[20:43] <Pat___> Hi, I'm trying to fix a read only usb stick using lubuntu could you please help
[20:49] <phillw> Pat___: what is on the usb stick?
[20:50] <Pat___> xbmc
[21:45] <comics_idees> hi any news from lubuntu?
[22:13] <phillw> comics_idees: the alpha1 for 14.10 is out in the wild :)
[22:13] <comics_idees> I use long term version
[22:14] <phillw> comics_idees: for LTS, no news is always good news :D
[22:15] <comics_idees> any good application to download?
[22:16] <phillw> comics_idees: it is your computer, install whatever you would like, play with it. If you don't like it, remove it :) LSC is a great tool to have a read through :)
[22:18] <comics_idees> what is lsc
[22:53] <wxl> comics_idees: lubuntu software center
[23:59] <wxl> thanks
[23:59] <wxl> oops wrong channel :)
[23:59] <Unit193> 'Welcome, dear.