[03:48] <Unit193> @^!%#$@#!!!  forestpiskie: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67147/testcases/1562/results It's alright that it has you use what I'd presume is the applications menu rather than whisker, since it's only testing the panel, right?  And, adding a panel test repeats itself.
[03:48] <meetingology> Unit193: Error: "^!%#$@#!!!" is not a valid command.
[03:52] <Unit193> I don't personally like that it has you open and close the window about 10 times, but meh.
[05:38] <Unit193> ochosi: Did that description help?  Desktop's common useage isn't for videos and pictures, thus large thumbnails aren't necessary.
[05:56] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Show me an example translation update
[05:57] <Noskcaj> Although i'm not sure the exact policy, if the package has an MRE it would include it
[05:59] <Noskcaj> I'll add a comment to your developer application too
[07:36] <Noskcaj> So our upower patch *should* make it safe to drop all upower code from xfce4-session\
[07:36] <Noskcaj> I'll get my PPA finished then could we have some testing to be sure?
[07:37] <Noskcaj> elfy ^
[07:38] <elfy> I guess so - but I was really hoping that we could get away from ppa's from here there and everywhere and using the xubuntu ones 
[07:38] <Noskcaj> I've not got -devel access yet, plus this PPA isn't xubuntu specific
[07:39] <Noskcaj> I have to go, i'll be back later
[07:44] <elfy> ok
[08:13] <elfy> hi xnox 
[08:15] <xnox> elfy: hey!
[08:16] <elfy> how's things - busy busy busy I suspect :)
[08:52] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, sorry, haven't gotten to it yet
[09:49] <Noskcaj> ppa:noskcaj/upower should be ready for xfce testing
[09:49] <Noskcaj> ping me if i need to update the gnome-settings-daemon version
[10:19] <bluesabre> hey Noskcaj, don't have one ready, was planning on shipping translation updates for each of my apps before 14.04.1.  They only differences are updated .po files
[10:19] <bluesabre> I can bug the ubuntu-devel guys about it
[10:24] <knome> bluesabre, i don't think translation updates are traditionally landed as SRU's, but that shouldn't stop you from asking
[10:37] <bluesabre> knome, can you add importance to these?  They've gone largely ignored for a while now...
[10:37] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1331871
[10:37] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405
[10:38] <knome> if you've followed the SRU process correctly, and nothing happens, poke the right people
[10:39] <bluesabre> I cannot proceed, they have to be uploaded to trusty-proposed before the SRU process begins
[10:39] <knome> eg. if it's verificated, check who's the SRU person for today on the SRU process wikipage and poke then
[10:39] <knome> aha
[10:39] <knome> so you need sponsoring?
[10:39] <bluesabre> yes
[10:39] <knome> well then follow the sponsorship procedure
[10:39] <bluesabre> I have
[10:39] <bluesabre> I'll email some sponsors directly next
[10:40] <knome> do the sponsors have a mailing list? try that first.
[11:14] <knome> bluesabre, are your bugs fixed now by colin?
[11:16] <bluesabre> knome: yay, black screen bug is fixed
[14:43] <ali1234> did we get reports of mplayer crashing when you switch virtual desktops?
[14:43] <ali1234> it's caused by this: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/532671/mplayer-vdpau-is-not-stable-when-switching-fullscreen-state/
[14:43] <ali1234> it's an nvidia bug
[14:43] <elfy> I've not seen any ali1234 
[14:43] <ali1234> i thought i saw some on launchpad
[14:44] <elfy> there might well be - I only see bugs that come through to m/l
[14:47] <ali1234> well anyway the workaround is to not use vdpau video playback
[14:48] <ali1234> or turn off compositing
[19:18] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/85017/ ?  Not really sure what's all needed to be said.
[19:22] <elfy> perhaps ask team to try it *shrug* 
[19:25] <Unit193> "You're encouraged to try this tool out as it's in Saucy and above,...."
[19:28] <elfy> yea - but that could be anyone that reads the mailing list - not [team] 
[19:30] <Unit193> >_<
[19:30] <Unit193> s/You're/Team members are/
[19:31] <elfy> did I not read it properly? 
[19:31] <elfy> can't see now - stupid openstack server error
[19:32] <Unit193> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9264b77d/ With your ideas.
[19:33] <elfy> looks good to me :)
[20:02] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, FYI, backports and SRUs are different things.
[20:04] <Noskcaj> And in responce to above, i don't actually know. The MRE would only be allowed for xfce itself i think
[20:04] <Unit193> Sadly, backports are pointless.
[20:09] <Noskcaj> yep
[20:09] <Noskcaj> And backport bugs are invisible
[20:11] <Unit193> Well, his two are SRUs, it's just that it's a full backport and not just a patch.  Backports are fine, but "Backport" normally means into release-backports which is pointless.
[23:10] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, Unit193: right, SRU packages backported from their Utopic counterparts
[23:10] <bluesabre> for -updates
[23:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Was dicussing the difference between a backport, and a SRU backported package.
[23:11] <Unit193> !backport
[23:11] <Unit193> ^ Backports is useless, while SRUs are useful.
[23:11] <bluesabre> yes
[23:12] <Unit193> OK, good.  Now you understand me. :D
[23:18] <bluesabre> thanks Noskcaj, btw
[23:21] <knome> Unit193, not completely useless, but... yeah, very irrelevant for most people
[23:22] <Unit193> knome: Unless it's a new package, backports is pinned at 100. :?
[23:22] <knome> and?
[23:22] <knome> backport > random PPA
[23:27] <Unit193> knome: Nice message to the list, btw.
[23:27] <bluesabre> but random ppas are awesome
[23:27] <bluesabre> :D
[23:28] <Unit193> They are pinned at 500. :P
[23:28] <Unit193> knome: "Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu" might need updated?
[23:28] <knome> hmm, that must've been left on my laptop
[23:28] <knome> will look at it tomorrow, thanks for the heads up
[23:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Most of my random PPAs are mine. :D
[23:32] <knome> Unit193, also, yeah, i try to be constructive with my mails...
[23:42] <knome> ok, i'm off. see you tomorrow or sth...
[23:42] <Unit193> Goodbye.
[23:42] <Unit193> Oh, does Xubuntu frown upon the BSD license?
[23:44] <bluesabre> good question
[23:44] <bluesabre> no idea
[23:44] <bluesabre> :)
[23:44] <Unit193> bluesabre: Come on, man!  You're the tech lead! ;)
[23:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: I think ochosi wanted me to ask you to copy over xfce4-panel to the one ppa?
[23:45] <bluesabre> I'm not personally opposed to it
[23:45] <bluesabre> yeah, link?
[23:46] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce/+packages it's just a backport.
[23:46] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce/+sourcepub/4253675/+listing-archive-extra
[23:49] <bluesabre> cool, just learned about ppa package copying
[23:49] <bluesabre> :D
[23:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: Here's another question: We've stopped using different branches for different releases, or tags, or something.  Is this a mistake?
[23:51] <bluesabre> not entirely sure what you mean... with ppas, or something else?
[23:51] <Unit193> 'series', they are called: https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings
[23:52] <bluesabre> oh right
[23:52] <Unit193> meta, docs, artwork, default-settings, etc.
[23:53] <bluesabre> should probably create a trusty branch
[23:53] <bluesabre> and keep head at current dev release
[23:54] <bluesabre> Unit193, just the panel?
[23:55] <Unit193> Everything else is already copied over.
[23:55] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/extras
[23:55] <bluesabre> not appfinder it seems
[23:56] <bluesabre> so, panel and appfinder to staging?
[23:56] <Unit193> Oh, well I don't know.  That was a sync from Debian for myself as well.  Is that what you want?
[23:57] <bluesabre> might as well :)
[23:57] <bluesabre> have you found any blockers where I would not want it?
[23:58] <Unit193> It seems a bit odd at times, but old may have had those issues too.
[23:59] <Unit193> I got it for the tab feature, but the tab feature isn't there. :(
[23:59] <bluesabre> :(
[23:59] <bluesabre> "foss" advertising