sakang | which way is kubuntu 14.10 going? kf5 or plasma 5 whatever they call it. I see alpha1 and looks like it's 4.11 and some 4.13? | 00:00 |
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sgclark | sakang: kf5/plasma 5 will be on a seperate ISO, it is still in heavy development. Well that is the plan anyway. | 00:01 |
sakang | sgclark: got you.. thanks | 00:03 |
sgclark | np | 00:03 |
ScottK | Riddell: I think you should do the maintenance releases for Plasma 5 5.0. The first cycle isn't just about code, it's also about maturing processes and project structure, so I think you should deal with it the same as you plan to deal with such things in the future. | 02:15 |
jussi | Riddell: [13:53:56] <dvratil> hi, the package from you for Akademy just arrived to Brno :) | 02:55 |
jussi | :) | 02:56 |
ahoneybun | Riddell, shadeslayer should I help test neon 5 or 14.10 alpha? | 03:00 |
ahoneybun | valorie,ping | 05:19 |
ahoneybun | apachelogger, 14.10 alpha installed fine | 05:20 |
valorie | hi ahoneybun | 05:20 |
valorie | contentless ping.... | 05:21 |
ahoneybun | yay 14.10 installed fine | 05:21 |
ahoneybun | alpha 1 | 05:21 |
valorie | nice! | 05:22 |
ahoneybun | seems I have no insternet but I think I need my drivers | 05:22 |
* valorie will not be jumping into the alpha frying pan | 05:22 | |
ahoneybun | I have a spare macbook | 05:23 |
ahoneybun | so why not | 05:23 |
valorie | I decided to give my spare laptop to a friend who needs it | 05:24 |
ahoneybun | the steam sale is hitting my credit hard lol | 05:24 |
valorie | this fall after akademy I'll experiment | 05:24 |
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lordievader | Good morning. | 07:28 |
mustafa_muhammad | Good morning everybody | 08:15 |
mustafa_muhammad | Riddell: The link of kubuntu next repo in the wiki is wrong | 08:16 |
mustafa_muhammad | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu | 08:16 |
mustafa_muhammad | it points to "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu%20Next%20PPA" | 08:17 |
mustafa_muhammad | instaed of "https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next" | 08:17 |
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BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 10:11 |
shadeslayer | good morning :) | 10:32 |
BluesKaj | hey shadeslayer | 10:36 |
sgclark | Riddell: good morning, did you get to kgraphviewer (utopic) if so where did you upload it to? | 11:42 |
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Riddell | hola sgclark | 12:39 |
Riddell | it should be in utopic archive | 12:39 |
Riddell | I'll take a look at your other packages shortly | 12:40 |
sgclark | Riddell: Sorry, your search gave no results in archive. It is a depend of massif :( | 12:49 |
Riddell | sgclark: ah hah, it was stuck in new | 12:54 |
Riddell | accepted it | 12:54 |
sgclark | ty | 12:56 |
sgclark | Riddell: regarding the frameworks build of kde-baseapps and konsole, would adding epoch 5 be an acceptable solution to my problem? | 12:58 |
Riddell | sgclark: add epoch 4: | 13:07 |
Riddell | should fix it all | 13:07 |
sgclark | Riddell: ok thanks | 13:07 |
Riddell | and I just finally got someone from debian to say using 4: globally for plasma packages would be a good idea, so yay | 13:09 |
sgclark | ok will do that. this just for apps or the frameworks as well? | 13:10 |
Riddell | sgclark: just plasma | 13:18 |
sgclark | ok | 13:19 |
Riddell | and apps which have packages with the same name in the archive | 13:19 |
Riddell | I guess we'll decide on other apps as they start to appear | 13:19 |
Riddell | sgclark: oh they should probably have gone into the beta backports PPA being only beta releases, but it's not very important since there's no stable package for them to override | 13:25 |
sgclark | beta backports? where is that? | 13:26 |
sgclark | Riddell: and where is the kgraphviewer? I can't find it :( | 13:27 |
Riddell | sgclark: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer I just accepted the binaries through New too | 13:29 |
Riddell | new packages need to be manually checked twice by archive admins, once for source and once for binary sanity | 13:29 |
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Riddell | sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages for people who want the latest unstable packages :) | 13:30 |
Riddell | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages for people who want the latest stable packages | 13:30 |
Riddell | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages (updates) for people who want the latest bugfix packages | 13:31 |
sgclark | Riddell: thank you, added to my ever growing bookmarks haha | 13:31 |
Riddell | and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages for building e.g. KDE SC releases before copying to an archive (same as ninjas but it's public) | 13:31 |
Riddell | and now https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages for KF5 packages and those which use it | 13:32 |
sgclark | Riddell: thank you, copied to my notes. | 13:32 |
sgclark | Riddell: with that said, what I packaged should close Bug #1334587 ? did not realize there was a bug report | 13:34 |
ubottu | bug 1334587 in kgraphviewer (Ubuntu) "Please update kgraphviewer to 2.2beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334587 | 13:34 |
Riddell | sgclark: two bug reports actually, also bug 1244261 | 13:35 |
ubottu | bug 1244261 in massif-visualizer (Ubuntu) "kgraphviewer needs porting from libgraph to libcgraph (remove binaries for now)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244261 | 13:35 |
Riddell | sgclark: just close that update bug manually, I've already done the other one for kgraphviewer | 13:36 |
sgclark | ok thanks | 13:36 |
Riddell | sgclark: massif-visualizer looks like a work of perfection, I'll add that bug to the changelog and upload | 13:38 |
sgclark | Riddell: ok thanks | 13:38 |
sgclark | Riddell: aside from adding epoch to plasma stuff, any other priority for me today? Or back to packaging more framework apps | 13:40 |
Riddell | sgclark: can't think of anything | 13:41 |
Riddell | monday will have frameworks final release whenever dfaure gets round to it | 13:41 |
sgclark | Riddell: ok I will be here | 13:41 |
Riddell | thursday will have plasma RC release | 13:41 |
sgclark | Riddell: will be here, Fri is a holiday but I have no plans | 13:42 |
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sgclark | Riddell: so just to be clear all of the plasma is the 4.97.0 stuff right? | 13:44 |
Riddell | sgclark: yep | 13:45 |
sgclark | ty | 13:45 |
Riddell | this stuff ignoring the bits with different version numbers http://download.kde.org/unstable/plasma/4.97.0/src/ | 13:45 |
Riddell | anyone know what's still holding kde-workspace from transition? it's something to do with kubuntu-full but I can get them to install fine http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt | 13:48 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: on i386? | 13:51 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration | 13:51 |
Riddell | mm no, might try that | 13:51 |
shadeslayer | probably those windeco's need rebuilding | 13:52 |
shadeslayer | because I recall abi bumps in kwin libs | 13:52 |
Riddell | yep | 13:52 |
mgraesslin | shadeslayer: ? | 13:52 |
mgraesslin | Riddell: btw. kwin/5 should now be completely co-installable with kwin/4 and it has entered opensuse factory *hint,hint* | 13:53 |
shadeslayer | mgraesslin: nothing to be concerned about :) | 13:53 |
shadeslayer | internal debian ABI bumps | 13:53 |
mgraesslin | good | 13:53 |
Riddell | mgraesslin: hmm, interesting, that might be the trigger to put KF5 into the archive if it has a valid user | 13:53 |
mgraesslin | Riddell: might be an idea, opensuse even suggested to add kwin5 to the WM selection of plasma 1 | 13:54 |
mgraesslin | though I'm not convinced as kwin5 doesn't support all features for plasma 1 which kwin4 provided | 13:55 |
Riddell | "Description: terminal program for KDE." I wonder if that sort of description should become "from KDE" | 14:05 |
Riddell | or dropped | 14:07 |
Riddell | sgclark: where did you get the konsole description? the one in the kde 4 packages seems much nicer | 14:09 |
sgclark | Riddell: I can grab from kde4 package, I dont recall now, prolly the frameworks site. I am working on epochs so will fix that while I am at it | 14:10 |
Riddell | sgclark: don't worry I just did it | 14:12 |
sgclark | ok | 14:12 |
Riddell | hmm I wonder if the changelog from the kde 4 package should be preserved | 14:13 |
sgclark | I waasnt sure as it is another branch | 14:16 |
Riddell | sgclark: did you start the packaging based on the existing konsole package or just start from scratch? | 14:17 |
Riddell | that's probably a good detemining factor in whether to keep the changelog | 14:17 |
sgclark | started from scratch | 14:17 |
Riddell | lets not keep it then | 14:18 |
Riddell | hah, debian's weird patch debian-T-addition.diff still applies without changing | 14:18 |
sgclark | Riddell: do we have a kbzr equivalent for next? | 14:21 |
Riddell | sgclark: knextbzr :) | 14:22 |
sgclark | I am practicing my bashy scripty skills with this epoch thing | 14:22 |
sgclark | thanks! | 14:22 |
Riddell | update kubuntu-dev-tools to get it | 14:22 |
sgclark | great thanks | 14:22 |
Riddell | I have it in my $PATH too | 14:22 |
sgclark | good idea | 14:22 |
Riddell | uh oh, massif-visualizer broke my arm! | 14:24 |
Riddell | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/178826931/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-armhf.massif-visualizer_0.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 14:25 |
Riddell | ../../../kdchart/src/KDChartStackedPlotter_p.cpp:87:43: error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(double&, const qreal&)' | 14:25 |
sgclark | yeah saw that, beyond my capabilities | 14:28 |
Riddell | it's usually pretty simple to fix, just qMax() cast around the double | 14:29 |
Riddell | but annoyingly my arm server has changed ip or something so I can't log in to check | 14:29 |
Riddell | ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division | 14:31 |
Riddell | which sounds ominous | 14:31 |
Riddell | sgclark: konsole looking good | 14:41 |
Riddell | I added lintian override, the postinst and prerm scripts for alternatives and the do-noting debian patch from the old package | 14:41 |
Riddell | working fine too, although I had to change the font from sans-serif | 14:42 |
Riddell | hmm I'm not convinced by oxygen mono for a terminal font | 14:43 |
sgclark | same | 14:43 |
Riddell | but yay, first kf5 non-plasma app running good enough for daily use :) | 14:44 |
Riddell | konsole | 14:45 |
Riddell | konsole ~ppa3 uploaded | 14:45 |
sgclark | woot, ty | 14:46 |
Riddell | apachelogger: how does that kubotu pluin work? what makes it delayed at times? | 14:55 |
apachelogger | only polls every 30 minutes | 14:56 |
apachelogger | eean for some reason decided that one cannot have it poll more often than that | 14:57 |
Riddell | apachelogger: polls what? the bzr branch directly? | 14:57 |
apachelogger | the rss feeds | 14:57 |
Riddell | launchpad has rss feeds for bzr branches? | 14:57 |
apachelogger | sure | 14:58 |
Riddell | nice | 14:58 |
Riddell | hmm, I realise I have a discipline problem with added dep3 headers to patches | 15:00 |
shadeslayer | tsk tsk | 15:05 |
Riddell | maybe we need a kubotu patch to tell me off every time I commit a patch without dep 3 | 15:05 |
Riddell | sgclark: in kde-baseapps any idea why libkonq5-templates exists? I see it's there in the kde 4 version but I don't see why it's a separate package | 15:23 |
sgclark | Riddell: I don't either, just saw they did that in kde4 | 15:24 |
sgclark | Riddell: do to the sizr of that, I admit I looked at the kde4 counterpart to see what they did. | 15:25 |
Riddell | that's a good thing to do | 15:26 |
sgclark | if it is wrong I blame them :) should probably also merge changelogs unless we make drastic changes | 15:26 |
Riddell | changelog says " Split some files from libkonq5 out into libkonq5-templates which conflict with KDE 3's kdesktop." so it's a historic issue | 15:26 |
Riddell | on the other hand it probably should keep libkonq-common incase of ABI bumps | 15:27 |
Riddell | and the whole ABI should be bumped compared to kde 4 version | 15:27 |
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shadeslayer | Riddell: kde-workspace migrated | 15:35 |
Riddell | yay! | 15:40 |
Riddell | sgclark: I guess in copyright files where the script has put " -? konqueror/sidebar/web_module/CMakeLists.txt | 15:45 |
Riddell | that means you should check to confirm if it comes under that copyright or not | 15:46 |
Riddell | and then remove the -? | 15:46 |
Riddell | I guess | 15:46 |
Riddell | not sure what - or + mean | 15:46 |
Riddell | presumably it's all documented somewhere | 15:46 |
sgclark | ALmost the CMakeLists.txt I have checked dont have any copyright in them, I guess they fall under * ? | 15:47 |
sgclark | all* | 15:47 |
sgclark | the - ones are excluded, the + ones are included | 15:47 |
sgclark | I alway double check the - ones to make sure they are listed in the appropriate copyright | 15:48 |
sgclark | aka go directly to that file and see what copyright it has | 15:49 |
sgclark | copyright-helper is nice, but far from fool proof. I still have to manually check alot of files | 15:50 |
sgclark | but with my up and coming elite scripting skills it will get easier | 15:50 |
Riddell | :) | 15:57 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: ping | 16:05 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: deleted | 16:09 |
shadeslayer | \o/ | 16:10 |
sgclark | tee hee only one needed epoch added, learned new skills though, so I am happy | 16:10 |
* Riddell admires sgclark's ninja headscarf | 16:11 | |
sgclark | :) | 16:11 |
sgclark | Riddell: what would be the next app you think, rekonq? | 16:13 |
BluesKaj | errors installing kde-workspace on 14.10, http://privatepaste.com/425c022733 ...oddly enough -f install fixed this issue on my laptop with intel graphics, but fails to fix the error on my older desktop with nvidia graphics | 16:15 |
Riddell | sgclark: ooh yeah that would be cool, no idea what state it's in but worth investigating | 16:16 |
sgclark | Riddell: ok :) working on that now | 16:17 |
* Darkwing grumbles | 16:24 | |
Riddell | Darkwing: don't grumble, give a whistle, things always turn out for the best | 16:25 |
Darkwing | Wonder how many of these things will be addressed in KDE5 https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues | 16:26 |
Riddell | plasma 5? someone is taking that on | 16:26 |
Riddell | sebas maybe | 16:26 |
Darkwing | I have one of those new laptops with it and finding a setup that works is insane. | 16:26 |
Darkwing | Is there any UI scaling in 14.04 and I'm just not looking in the right place? | 16:32 |
Darkwing | I know where the fint scaling is... That helps | 16:33 |
shadeslayer | voila, new Neon 5 ISO http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-201406271613.iso.mirrorlist | 16:33 |
Darkwing | But, I can't find any info on UI scaling. | 16:33 |
BluesKaj | kde-window -manager is broken on my desktop pc, no pagers for virtual desktops etc, no titlebars ...not good | 16:39 |
BluesKaj | after the kwin upgrade | 16:41 |
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Riddell | sgclark: new kde-baseapps uploaded, I just grabbed a new version from git for the soname change and added some lintian overrides, overwise packaging all good | 17:33 |
Riddell | sgclark: looks like Quintasan did some sddm packaging which is in bzr, did you start fresh? | 17:36 |
Riddell | and does it work? | 17:36 |
Quintasan | I did and shadeslayer built something on top of it | 17:37 |
Riddell | pacakging a display manager will need upstart scripts and other foo which I think Quintasan's packaging has | 17:39 |
sgclark | Riddell: shadeslayer has taken that back over | 17:39 |
sgclark | Riddell: disregard mine, shadeslayer is takin g the bits from mine that he wants. | 17:40 |
Riddell | ah, he just went to play his fiddle so I'll guess I'll work that out next week | 17:40 |
sgclark | He was working on it earlier, maybe go look at his? | 17:41 |
sgclark | Riddell: [06:49] <shadeslayer> lets see if it works was his last comment about upstart script, no idea what the outcome was | 17:42 |
Quintasan | Why would we want upstart | 17:43 |
Quintasan | wait | 17:43 |
Quintasan | systemd switch for 14.10 or not? | 17:43 |
Riddell | well whatever boot system we use now | 17:43 |
Riddell | I hope it's for 14.10, don't think it's happened yet | 17:44 |
Riddell | new plasma-mediacenter too if anyone is in a mood to package | 17:49 |
* sgclark raises hand | 17:51 | |
sgclark | Riddell: is that for kf5? | 17:51 |
Riddell | sgclark: don't think so no | 17:56 |
sgclark | Riddell: ok so build in trusty qt4? | 17:56 |
Riddell | sgclark: utopic and backport to trusty on qt4 http://dot.kde.org/2014/06/23/plasma-media-center-13-available | 17:56 |
Riddell | probably a simple update from 1.2 | 17:57 |
sgclark | Riddell: ok so I can make that a weekend project unless your in a hurry for it, in which case someone else can package :) | 17:57 |
Riddell | bug 1334595 | 17:57 |
ubottu | bug 1334595 in plasma-mediacenter (Ubuntu) "Please update plasma-mediacenter to 1.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334595 | 17:57 |
Riddell | sgclark: sure, no rush | 17:57 |
sgclark | ok assigned myself then, will have it ready for you monday | 17:58 |
Riddell | awooga | 18:01 |
sgclark | this does not look right /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake and of course KF5Config.cmake cannot be found | 18:01 |
* sgclark wonders what happened | 18:02 | |
Riddell | sgclark: what's not right? | 18:03 |
Riddell | the file called KF5ConfigConfig.cmake is right, it's the cmake config file for KF5Config | 18:04 |
sgclark | see the double Config? | 18:04 |
Riddell | that's right | 18:04 |
sgclark | well this package thinks it should only have one config | 18:04 |
sgclark | bug in this package? | 18:04 |
Riddell | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Service/KF5ServiceConfig.cmake for KF5Service, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake for KF5Config | 18:05 |
Riddell | sgclark: which package? | 18:05 |
sgclark | rekonq | 18:05 |
sgclark | dies at KF5Config.cmake find_package | 18:06 |
sgclark | but now I see the pattern, investigating the find_package | 18:07 |
Riddell | it's always possible there's been some change in frameworks and rekonq hasn't been updated for it | 18:08 |
sgclark | hmm yeah, the version is wrong, KF5_MIN_VERSION "4.96.0" would that trigger it? | 18:09 |
sgclark | otherwise looks right... | 18:10 |
Riddell | maybe | 18:11 |
sgclark | trying a patch | 18:11 |
sgclark | blech, nope | 18:12 |
Riddell | -FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 CONFIG REQUIRED | 18:14 |
Riddell | +FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 REQUIRED | 18:14 |
Riddell | sgclark: try that | 18:14 |
sgclark | ok | 18:14 |
Riddell | in CMakeLists.txt | 18:14 |
sgclark | yep | 18:14 |
Riddell | however if it's not been worked on since May there might be other issues that stop it from compiling | 18:15 |
sgclark | that fixed that error | 18:15 |
sgclark | ok, will keep me busy for a bit then lol. I don't give up easy | 18:16 |
sgclark | it is compiling though, gonna step out for some lunch, be back shortly | 18:16 |
sgclark | Riddell: it compiled :) is that something we want to send upstream? | 18:34 |
Riddell | sgclark: sure, just commit it I think, pretty safe | 18:46 |
sgclark | Riddell: source-is-missing src/data/jquery-1.7.2.min.js but it is there? Not sure I understand this one | 18:51 |
Riddell | sgclark: look at it, can you understand that javascript? | 18:52 |
Riddell | it has been minified which means all the spaces removed so it's not preferred modified form | 18:52 |
Riddell | ignore for now, it should be fixed upstream | 18:52 |
sgclark | oohh ok | 18:52 |
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txwikinger | Does anybody have an idea why Qtcreator 3.0.1 on trusty does not show the menubar? | 19:17 |
txwikinger | ah got it | 19:22 |
ahoneybun | Riddell, sgclark what would happen if I add the Kubuntu Next ppa to a 14.10 install? | 20:31 |
sgclark | ahoneybun: it is not recommended to put in on a production computer. | 20:33 |
ahoneybun | sgclark, tesing notebook | 20:33 |
ahoneybun | sgclark, so would it replace the current apps with kde5 versions? | 20:34 |
sgclark | I cannot guarantee a problem free experience. Only a few apps have been ported | 20:35 |
ahoneybun | sgclark,thats ok is it for testing? | 20:35 |
Riddell | ahoneybun: but it would be good if you wanted to test | 20:35 |
ahoneybun | or is it better to use neon 5? | 20:35 |
sgclark | you will need to put QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to even login | 20:35 |
Riddell | nah you don't just install qt5-default | 20:35 |
sgclark | ahoneybun: yes if you are brave, please do test :) and let me know problems | 20:36 |
sgclark | Riddell: rekonq is ready for your review, this time I just adjusted kde4 debian to work with the frameworks build | 20:42 |
Riddell | sgclark: great | 20:53 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: ping | 20:56 |
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Riddell | hi shadeslayer | 21:02 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: where are you? | 21:02 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: same place you left me | 21:02 |
Riddell | this chair is so sticky I'm not sure I can get out of it | 21:02 |
shadeslayer | Office? :O | 21:03 |
Riddell | yes | 21:03 |
shadeslayer | Is Albert there? | 21:03 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: no he left an hour or so ago | 21:03 |
Riddell | sgclark: I wouldn't use 4:4.97.0 version for rekonq, it has always been released as its own separate thing | 21:04 |
Riddell | sgclark: so maybe use 2.5~ | 21:04 |
shadeslayer | I see | 21:04 |
Riddell | sgclark: I'd remove any patches that are no longer relevant from the archive | 21:05 |
Riddell | sgclark: otherwise all super | 21:06 |
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ovidiu-florin_ | Riddell: any news about the server? | 22:36 |
valorie | [13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:15] ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division | 22:38 |
valorie | [13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:26] which sounds ominous | 22:38 |
valorie | we had a lil netsplit, so you might have missed that | 22:38 |
ovidiu-florin_ | valorie: I've missed it | 22:39 |
ovidiu-florin_ | thanks | 22:39 |
ovidiu-florin_ | valorie: do you think this would be ok as a link to my wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OvidiuFlorinBogdan | 22:40 |
ovidiu-florin_ | I'm creating it now | 22:40 |
valorie | uh, I think personal pages are different | 22:41 |
valorie | sec | 22:41 |
ovidiu-florin_ | as I've seen from Riddell s page the format is: base-wiki-url/full-name | 22:41 |
valorie | no, you are right | 22:42 |
valorie | I'm wrong | 22:42 |
valorie | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ValorieZimmerman is mine | 22:42 |
ovidiu-florin_ | ok, thank you | 22:42 |
valorie | take anything you like from mine; it's all lifted from elsewhere also | 22:43 |
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