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sakangwhich way is kubuntu 14.10 going?  kf5 or plasma 5 whatever they call it.  I see alpha1 and looks like it's 4.11 and some 4.13?00:00
sgclarksakang: kf5/plasma 5 will be on a seperate ISO, it is still in heavy development. Well that is the plan anyway.00:01
sakangsgclark: got you.. thanks00:03
sgclarknp00:03
ScottKRiddell: I think you should do the maintenance releases for Plasma 5 5.0.  The first cycle isn't just about code, it's also about maturing processes and project structure, so I think you should deal with it the same as you plan to deal with such things in the future.02:15
jussiRiddell: [13:53:56] <dvratil> hi, the package from you for Akademy just arrived to Brno :)02:55
jussi:)02:56
ahoneybunRiddell, shadeslayer should I help test neon 5 or 14.10 alpha?03:00
ahoneybunvalorie,ping05:19
ahoneybunapachelogger, 14.10 alpha installed fine05:20
valoriehi ahoneybun05:20
valoriecontentless ping....05:21
ahoneybunyay 14.10 installed fine05:21
ahoneybunalpha 105:21
valorienice!05:22
ahoneybunseems I have no insternet but I think I need my drivers05:22
* valorie will not be jumping into the alpha frying pan05:22
ahoneybunI have a spare macbook05:23
ahoneybunso why not05:23
valorieI decided to give my spare laptop to a friend who needs it05:24
ahoneybunthe steam sale is hitting my credit hard lol05:24
valoriethis fall after akademy I'll experiment05:24
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lordievaderGood morning.07:28
mustafa_muhammadGood morning everybody08:15
mustafa_muhammadRiddell: The link of kubuntu next repo in the wiki is wrong08:16
mustafa_muhammadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu08:16
mustafa_muhammadit points to "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu%20Next%20PPA"08:17
mustafa_muhammadinstaed of "https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next"08:17
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BluesKaj'Morning all10:11
shadeslayergood morning :)10:32
BluesKajhey shadeslayer10:36
sgclarkRiddell: good morning, did you get to kgraphviewer (utopic) if so where did you upload it to?11:42
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Riddellhola sgclark 12:39
Riddellit should be in utopic archive12:39
RiddellI'll take a look at your other packages shortly12:40
sgclarkRiddell: Sorry, your search gave no results in archive. It is a depend of massif :(12:49
Riddellsgclark: ah hah, it was stuck in new12:54
Riddellaccepted it12:54
sgclarkty12:56
sgclarkRiddell: regarding the frameworks build of kde-baseapps and konsole, would adding epoch 5 be an acceptable solution to my problem?12:58
Riddellsgclark: add epoch 4:13:07
Riddellshould fix it all13:07
sgclarkRiddell: ok thanks13:07
Riddelland I just finally got someone from debian to say using 4: globally for plasma packages would be a good idea, so yay13:09
sgclarkok will do that. this just for apps or the frameworks as well?13:10
Riddellsgclark: just plasma13:18
sgclarkok13:19
Riddelland apps which have packages with the same name in the archive13:19
RiddellI guess we'll decide on other apps as they start to appear13:19
Riddellsgclark: oh they should probably have gone into the beta backports PPA being only beta releases, but it's not very important since there's no stable package for them to override13:25
sgclarkbeta backports? where is that?13:26
sgclarkRiddell: and where is the kgraphviewer? I can't find it :(13:27
Riddellsgclark: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer  I just accepted the binaries through New too13:29
Riddellnew packages need to be manually checked twice by archive admins, once for source and once for binary sanity13:29
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Riddellsgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages  for people who want the latest unstable packages :)13:30
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages for people who want the latest stable packages13:30
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages (updates) for people who want the latest bugfix packages13:31
sgclarkRiddell: thank you, added to my ever growing bookmarks haha13:31
Riddelland https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages for building e.g. KDE SC releases before copying to an archive (same as ninjas but it's public)13:31
Riddelland now https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages for KF5 packages and those which use it13:32
sgclarkRiddell: thank you, copied to my notes.13:32
sgclarkRiddell: with that said, what I packaged should close Bug #1334587 ? did not realize there was a bug report13:34
ubottubug 1334587 in kgraphviewer (Ubuntu) "Please update kgraphviewer to 2.2beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133458713:34
Riddellsgclark: two bug reports actually, also bug 124426113:35
ubottubug 1244261 in massif-visualizer (Ubuntu) "kgraphviewer needs porting from libgraph to libcgraph (remove binaries for now)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124426113:35
Riddellsgclark: just close that update bug manually, I've already done the other one for kgraphviewer13:36
sgclarkok thanks13:36
Riddellsgclark: massif-visualizer looks like a work of perfection, I'll add that bug to the changelog and upload13:38
sgclarkRiddell: ok thanks13:38
sgclarkRiddell: aside from adding epoch to plasma stuff, any other priority for me today? Or back to packaging more framework apps13:40
Riddellsgclark: can't think of anything13:41
Riddellmonday will have frameworks final release whenever dfaure gets round to it13:41
sgclarkRiddell: ok I will be here13:41
Riddellthursday will have plasma RC release13:41
sgclarkRiddell: will be here, Fri is a holiday but I have no plans13:42
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sgclarkRiddell: so just to be clear all of the plasma is the 4.97.0 stuff right?13:44
Riddellsgclark: yep13:45
sgclarkty13:45
Riddellthis stuff ignoring the bits with different version numbers http://download.kde.org/unstable/plasma/4.97.0/src/13:45
Riddellanyone know what's still holding kde-workspace from transition? it's something to do with kubuntu-full but I can get them to install fine http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt13:48
shadeslayerRiddell: on i386?13:51
shadeslayerRiddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration13:51
Riddellmm no, might try that13:51
shadeslayerprobably those windeco's need rebuilding13:52
shadeslayerbecause I recall abi bumps in kwin libs13:52
Riddellyep13:52
mgraesslinshadeslayer: ?13:52
mgraesslinRiddell: btw. kwin/5 should now be completely co-installable with kwin/4 and it has entered opensuse factory *hint,hint*13:53
shadeslayermgraesslin: nothing to be concerned about :)13:53
shadeslayerinternal debian ABI bumps13:53
mgraesslingood13:53
Riddellmgraesslin: hmm, interesting, that might be the trigger to put KF5 into the archive if it has a valid user13:53
mgraesslinRiddell: might be an idea, opensuse even suggested to add kwin5 to the WM selection of plasma 113:54
mgraesslinthough I'm not convinced as kwin5 doesn't support all features for plasma 1 which kwin4 provided13:55
Riddell"Description: terminal program for KDE." I wonder if that sort of description should become "from KDE"14:05
Riddellor dropped14:07
Riddellsgclark: where did you get the konsole description? the one in the kde 4 packages seems much nicer14:09
sgclarkRiddell: I can grab from kde4 package, I dont recall now, prolly the frameworks site. I am working on epochs so will fix that while I am at it14:10
Riddellsgclark: don't worry I just did it14:12
sgclarkok14:12
Riddellhmm I wonder if the changelog from the kde 4 package should be preserved14:13
sgclarkI waasnt sure as it is another branch14:16
Riddellsgclark: did you start the packaging based on the existing konsole package or just start from scratch?14:17
Riddellthat's probably a good detemining factor in whether to keep the changelog14:17
sgclarkstarted from scratch14:17
Riddelllets not keep it then14:18
Riddellhah, debian's weird patch debian-T-addition.diff still applies without changing14:18
sgclarkRiddell: do we have a kbzr equivalent for next?14:21
Riddellsgclark: knextbzr :)14:22
sgclarkI am practicing my bashy scripty skills with this epoch thing 14:22
sgclarkthanks!14:22
Riddellupdate kubuntu-dev-tools to get it14:22
sgclarkgreat thanks14:22
RiddellI have it in my $PATH too14:22
sgclarkgood idea14:22
Riddelluh oh, massif-visualizer broke my arm!14:24
Riddellhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/178826931/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-armhf.massif-visualizer_0.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:25
Riddell../../../kdchart/src/KDChartStackedPlotter_p.cpp:87:43: error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(double&, const qreal&)'14:25
sgclarkyeah saw that, beyond my capabilities14:28
Riddellit's usually pretty simple to fix, just qMax() cast around the double14:29
Riddellbut annoyingly my arm server has changed ip or something so I can't log in to check14:29
Riddellovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division14:31
Riddellwhich sounds ominous14:31
Riddellsgclark: konsole looking good14:41
RiddellI added lintian override, the postinst and prerm scripts for alternatives and the do-noting debian patch from the old package14:41
Riddellworking fine too, although I had to change the font from sans-serif14:42
Riddellhmm I'm not convinced by oxygen mono for a terminal font14:43
sgclarksame14:43
Riddellbut yay, first kf5 non-plasma app running good enough for daily use :)14:44
Riddellkonsole 14:45
Riddellkonsole  ~ppa3 uploaded14:45
sgclarkwoot, ty14:46
Riddellapachelogger: how does that kubotu pluin work?  what makes it delayed at times?14:55
apacheloggeronly polls every 30 minutes14:56
apacheloggereean for some reason decided that one cannot have it poll more often than that14:57
Riddellapachelogger: polls what? the bzr branch directly?14:57
apacheloggerthe rss feeds14:57
Riddelllaunchpad has rss feeds for bzr branches?14:57
apacheloggersure14:58
Riddellnice14:58
Riddellhmm, I realise I have a discipline problem with added dep3 headers to patches15:00
shadeslayertsk tsk15:05
Riddellmaybe we need a kubotu patch to tell me off every time I commit a patch without dep 315:05
Riddellsgclark: in kde-baseapps any idea why libkonq5-templates exists?  I see it's there in the kde 4 version but I don't see why it's a separate package15:23
sgclarkRiddell: I don't either, just saw they did that in kde415:24
sgclarkRiddell: do to the sizr of that, I admit I looked at the kde4 counterpart to see what they did.15:25
Riddellthat's a good thing to do15:26
sgclarkif it is wrong I blame them :) should probably also merge changelogs unless we make drastic changes15:26
Riddellchangelog says " Split some files from libkonq5 out into libkonq5-templates which conflict with KDE 3's kdesktop." so it's a historic issue15:26
Riddellon the other hand it probably should keep libkonq-common incase of ABI bumps15:27
Riddelland the whole ABI should be bumped compared to kde 4 version15:27
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shadeslayerRiddell: kde-workspace migrated15:35
Riddellyay!15:40
Riddellsgclark: I guess in copyright files where the script has put " -? konqueror/sidebar/web_module/CMakeLists.txt15:45
Riddellthat means you should check to confirm if it comes under that copyright or not15:46
Riddelland then remove the -?15:46
RiddellI guess15:46
Riddellnot sure what - or + mean15:46
Riddellpresumably it's all documented somewhere15:46
sgclarkALmost the CMakeLists.txt I have checked dont have any copyright in them, I guess they fall under * ?15:47
sgclarkall*15:47
sgclarkthe - ones are excluded, the + ones are included15:47
sgclarkI alway double check the - ones to make sure they are listed in the appropriate copyright15:48
sgclarkaka go directly to that file and see what copyright it has15:49
sgclarkcopyright-helper is nice, but far from fool proof. I still have to manually check alot of files15:50
sgclarkbut with my up and coming elite scripting skills it will get easier15:50
Riddell:)15:57
shadeslayerRiddell: ping16:05
Riddellshadeslayer: deleted16:09
shadeslayer\o/16:10
sgclarktee hee only one needed epoch added, learned new skills though, so I am happy16:10
* Riddell admires sgclark's ninja headscarf16:11
sgclark:)16:11
sgclarkRiddell: what would be the next app you think, rekonq?16:13
BluesKajerrors installing kde-workspace on 14.10,  http://privatepaste.com/425c022733 ...oddly enough -f install fixed this issue on my laptop with intel graphics, but fails to fix the error on my older desktop with nvidia graphics 16:15
Riddellsgclark: ooh yeah that would be cool, no idea what state it's in but worth investigating16:16
sgclarkRiddell: ok :) working on that now16:17
* Darkwing grumbles16:24
RiddellDarkwing: don't grumble, give a whistle, things always turn out for the best16:25
DarkwingWonder how many of these things will be addressed in KDE5 https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues16:26
Riddellplasma 5? someone is taking that on16:26
Riddellsebas maybe16:26
DarkwingI have one of those new laptops with it and finding a setup that works is insane.16:26
DarkwingIs there any UI scaling in 14.04 and I'm just not looking in the right place?16:32
DarkwingI know where the fint scaling is... That helps16:33
shadeslayervoila, new Neon 5 ISO http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-201406271613.iso.mirrorlist16:33
DarkwingBut, I can't find any info on UI scaling.16:33
BluesKajkde-window -manager is broken on my desktop pc, no pagers for virtual desktops etc, no titlebars ...not good16:39
BluesKajafter the kwin upgrade 16:41
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Riddellsgclark: new kde-baseapps uploaded, I just grabbed a new version from git for the soname change and added some lintian overrides, overwise packaging all good17:33
Riddellsgclark: looks like Quintasan did some sddm packaging which is in bzr, did you start fresh?17:36
Riddelland does it work?17:36
QuintasanI did and shadeslayer built something on top of it17:37
Riddellpacakging a display manager will need upstart scripts and other foo which I think Quintasan's packaging has17:39
sgclarkRiddell: shadeslayer has taken that back over17:39
sgclarkRiddell: disregard mine, shadeslayer is takin g the bits from mine that he wants.17:40
Riddellah, he just went to play his fiddle so I'll guess I'll work that out next week17:40
sgclarkHe was working on it earlier, maybe go look at his?17:41
sgclarkRiddell: [06:49] <shadeslayer> lets see if it works was his last comment about upstart script, no idea what the outcome was17:42
QuintasanWhy would we want upstart17:43
Quintasanwait17:43
Quintasansystemd switch for 14.10 or not?17:43
Riddellwell whatever boot system we use now17:43
RiddellI hope it's for 14.10, don't think it's happened yet17:44
Riddellnew plasma-mediacenter too if anyone is in a mood to package17:49
* sgclark raises hand17:51
sgclarkRiddell: is that for kf5?17:51
Riddellsgclark: don't think so no17:56
sgclarkRiddell: ok so build in trusty qt4?17:56
Riddellsgclark: utopic and backport to trusty on qt4 http://dot.kde.org/2014/06/23/plasma-media-center-13-available17:56
Riddellprobably a simple update from 1.217:57
sgclarkRiddell: ok so I can make that a weekend project unless your in a hurry for it, in which case someone else can package :)17:57
Riddellbug 133459517:57
ubottubug 1334595 in plasma-mediacenter (Ubuntu) "Please update plasma-mediacenter to 1.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133459517:57
Riddellsgclark: sure, no rush17:57
sgclarkok assigned myself then, will have it ready for you monday17:58
Riddellawooga18:01
sgclarkthis does not look right /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake and of course KF5Config.cmake cannot be found18:01
* sgclark wonders what happened18:02
Riddellsgclark: what's not right?18:03
Riddellthe file called KF5ConfigConfig.cmake is right, it's the cmake config file for KF5Config18:04
sgclarksee the double Config?18:04
Riddellthat's right18:04
sgclarkwell this package thinks it should only have one config18:04
sgclarkbug in this package?18:04
Riddell/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Service/KF5ServiceConfig.cmake for KF5Service, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake for KF5Config18:05
Riddellsgclark: which package?18:05
sgclarkrekonq18:05
sgclarkdies at KF5Config.cmake find_package18:06
sgclarkbut now I see the pattern, investigating the find_package18:07
Riddellit's always possible there's been some change in frameworks and rekonq hasn't been updated for it18:08
sgclarkhmm yeah, the version is wrong, KF5_MIN_VERSION "4.96.0" would that trigger it?18:09
sgclarkotherwise looks right...18:10
Riddellmaybe18:11
sgclarktrying a patch18:11
sgclarkblech, nope18:12
Riddell-FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 CONFIG REQUIRED18:14
Riddell+FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 REQUIRED18:14
Riddellsgclark: try that 18:14
sgclarkok18:14
Riddellin CMakeLists.txt18:14
sgclarkyep18:14
Riddellhowever if it's not been worked on since May there might be other issues that stop it from compiling18:15
sgclarkthat fixed that error 18:15
sgclarkok, will keep me busy for a bit then lol. I don't give up easy18:16
sgclarkit is compiling though, gonna step out for some lunch, be back shortly18:16
sgclarkRiddell: it compiled :) is that something we want to send upstream?18:34
Riddellsgclark: sure, just commit it I think, pretty safe18:46
sgclarkRiddell: source-is-missing src/data/jquery-1.7.2.min.js but  it is there? Not sure I understand this one18:51
Riddellsgclark: look at it, can you understand that javascript?18:52
Riddellit has been minified which means all the spaces removed so it's not preferred modified form18:52
Riddellignore for now, it should be fixed upstream18:52
sgclarkoohh ok18:52
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txwikingerDoes anybody have an idea why Qtcreator 3.0.1 on trusty does not show the menubar?19:17
txwikingerah got it19:22
ahoneybunRiddell, sgclark what would happen if I add the Kubuntu Next ppa to a 14.10 install?20:31
sgclarkahoneybun: it is not recommended to put in on a production computer.20:33
ahoneybunsgclark, tesing notebook20:33
ahoneybunsgclark, so would it replace the current apps with kde5 versions?20:34
sgclarkI cannot guarantee a problem free experience. Only a few apps have been ported20:35
ahoneybunsgclark,thats ok is it for testing?20:35
Riddellahoneybun: but it would be good if you wanted to test20:35
ahoneybunor is it better to use neon 5?20:35
sgclarkyou will need to put QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to even login20:35
Riddellnah you don't just install qt5-default20:35
sgclarkahoneybun: yes if you are brave, please do test :) and let me know problems20:36
sgclarkRiddell: rekonq is ready for your review, this time I just adjusted kde4 debian to work with the frameworks build20:42
Riddellsgclark: great20:53
shadeslayerRiddell: ping20:56
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Riddellhi shadeslayer 21:02
shadeslayerRiddell: where are you? 21:02
Riddellshadeslayer: same place you left me21:02
Riddellthis chair is so sticky I'm not sure I can get out of it21:02
shadeslayerOffice?  :O21:03
Riddellyes21:03
shadeslayerIs Albert there? 21:03
Riddellshadeslayer: no he left an hour or so ago21:03
Riddellsgclark: I wouldn't use 4:4.97.0 version for rekonq, it has always been released as its own separate thing21:04
Riddellsgclark: so maybe use 2.5~21:04
shadeslayerI see21:04
Riddellsgclark: I'd remove any patches that are no longer relevant from the archive21:05
Riddellsgclark: otherwise all super21:06
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ovidiu-florin_Riddell: any news about the server?22:36
valorie[13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:15] ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division22:38
valorie[13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:26] which sounds ominous22:38
valoriewe had a lil netsplit, so you might have missed that22:38
ovidiu-florin_valorie: I've missed it22:39
ovidiu-florin_thanks22:39
ovidiu-florin_valorie: do you think this would be ok as a link to my wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OvidiuFlorinBogdan22:40
ovidiu-florin_I'm creating it now22:40
valorieuh, I think personal pages are different22:41
valoriesec22:41
ovidiu-florin_as I've seen from Riddell s page the format is: base-wiki-url/full-name22:41
valorieno, you are right22:42
valorieI'm wrong22:42
valoriehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ValorieZimmerman is mine22:42
ovidiu-florin_ok, thank you22:42
valorietake anything you like from mine; it's all lifted from elsewhere also22:43
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