[00:00] <sakang> which way is kubuntu 14.10 going?  kf5 or plasma 5 whatever they call it.  I see alpha1 and looks like it's 4.11 and some 4.13?
[00:01] <sgclark> sakang: kf5/plasma 5 will be on a seperate ISO, it is still in heavy development. Well that is the plan anyway.
[00:03] <sakang> sgclark: got you.. thanks
[00:03] <sgclark> np
[02:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I think you should do the maintenance releases for Plasma 5 5.0.  The first cycle isn't just about code, it's also about maturing processes and project structure, so I think you should deal with it the same as you plan to deal with such things in the future.
[02:55] <jussi> Riddell: [13:53:56] <dvratil> hi, the package from you for Akademy just arrived to Brno :)
[02:56] <jussi> :)
[03:00] <ahoneybun> Riddell, shadeslayer should I help test neon 5 or 14.10 alpha?
[05:19] <ahoneybun> valorie,ping
[05:20] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, 14.10 alpha installed fine
[05:20] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[05:21] <valorie> contentless ping....
[05:21] <ahoneybun> yay 14.10 installed fine
[05:21] <ahoneybun> alpha 1
[05:22] <valorie> nice!
[05:22] <ahoneybun> seems I have no insternet but I think I need my drivers
[05:22]  * valorie will not be jumping into the alpha frying pan
[05:23] <ahoneybun> I have a spare macbook
[05:23] <ahoneybun> so why not
[05:24] <valorie> I decided to give my spare laptop to a friend who needs it
[05:24] <ahoneybun> the steam sale is hitting my credit hard lol
[05:24] <valorie> this fall after akademy I'll experiment
[07:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:15] <mustafa_muhammad> Good morning everybody
[08:16] <mustafa_muhammad> Riddell: The link of kubuntu next repo in the wiki is wrong
[08:16] <mustafa_muhammad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[08:17] <mustafa_muhammad> it points to "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu%20Next%20PPA"
[08:17] <mustafa_muhammad> instaed of "https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next"
[10:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:32] <shadeslayer> good morning :)
[10:36] <BluesKaj> hey shadeslayer
[11:42] <sgclark> Riddell: good morning, did you get to kgraphviewer (utopic) if so where did you upload it to?
[12:39] <Riddell> hola sgclark 
[12:39] <Riddell> it should be in utopic archive
[12:40] <Riddell> I'll take a look at your other packages shortly
[12:49] <sgclark> Riddell: Sorry, your search gave no results in archive. It is a depend of massif :(
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: ah hah, it was stuck in new
[12:54] <Riddell> accepted it
[12:56] <sgclark> ty
[12:58] <sgclark> Riddell: regarding the frameworks build of kde-baseapps and konsole, would adding epoch 5 be an acceptable solution to my problem?
[13:07] <Riddell> sgclark: add epoch 4:
[13:07] <Riddell> should fix it all
[13:07] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:09] <Riddell> and I just finally got someone from debian to say using 4: globally for plasma packages would be a good idea, so yay
[13:10] <sgclark> ok will do that. this just for apps or the frameworks as well?
[13:18] <Riddell> sgclark: just plasma
[13:19] <sgclark> ok
[13:19] <Riddell> and apps which have packages with the same name in the archive
[13:19] <Riddell> I guess we'll decide on other apps as they start to appear
[13:25] <Riddell> sgclark: oh they should probably have gone into the beta backports PPA being only beta releases, but it's not very important since there's no stable package for them to override
[13:26] <sgclark> beta backports? where is that?
[13:27] <sgclark> Riddell: and where is the kgraphviewer? I can't find it :(
[13:29] <Riddell> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer  I just accepted the binaries through New too
[13:29] <Riddell> new packages need to be manually checked twice by archive admins, once for source and once for binary sanity
[13:30] <Riddell> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages  for people who want the latest unstable packages :)
[13:30] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages for people who want the latest stable packages
[13:31] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages (updates) for people who want the latest bugfix packages
[13:31] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you, added to my ever growing bookmarks haha
[13:31] <Riddell> and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages for building e.g. KDE SC releases before copying to an archive (same as ninjas but it's public)
[13:32] <Riddell> and now https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages for KF5 packages and those which use it
[13:32] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you, copied to my notes.
[13:34] <sgclark> Riddell: with that said, what I packaged should close Bug #1334587 ? did not realize there was a bug report
[13:35] <Riddell> sgclark: two bug reports actually, also bug 1244261
[13:36] <Riddell> sgclark: just close that update bug manually, I've already done the other one for kgraphviewer
[13:36] <sgclark> ok thanks
[13:38] <Riddell> sgclark: massif-visualizer looks like a work of perfection, I'll add that bug to the changelog and upload
[13:38] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:40] <sgclark> Riddell: aside from adding epoch to plasma stuff, any other priority for me today? Or back to packaging more framework apps
[13:41] <Riddell> sgclark: can't think of anything
[13:41] <Riddell> monday will have frameworks final release whenever dfaure gets round to it
[13:41] <sgclark> Riddell: ok I will be here
[13:41] <Riddell> thursday will have plasma RC release
[13:42] <sgclark> Riddell: will be here, Fri is a holiday but I have no plans
[13:44] <sgclark> Riddell: so just to be clear all of the plasma is the 4.97.0 stuff right?
[13:45] <Riddell> sgclark: yep
[13:45] <sgclark> ty
[13:45] <Riddell> this stuff ignoring the bits with different version numbers http://download.kde.org/unstable/plasma/4.97.0/src/
[13:48] <Riddell> anyone know what's still holding kde-workspace from transition? it's something to do with kubuntu-full but I can get them to install fine http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: on i386?
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[13:51] <Riddell> mm no, might try that
[13:52] <shadeslayer> probably those windeco's need rebuilding
[13:52] <shadeslayer> because I recall abi bumps in kwin libs
[13:52] <Riddell> yep
[13:52] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: ?
[13:53] <mgraesslin> Riddell: btw. kwin/5 should now be completely co-installable with kwin/4 and it has entered opensuse factory *hint,hint*
[13:53] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: nothing to be concerned about :)
[13:53] <shadeslayer> internal debian ABI bumps
[13:53] <mgraesslin> good
[13:53] <Riddell> mgraesslin: hmm, interesting, that might be the trigger to put KF5 into the archive if it has a valid user
[13:54] <mgraesslin> Riddell: might be an idea, opensuse even suggested to add kwin5 to the WM selection of plasma 1
[13:55] <mgraesslin> though I'm not convinced as kwin5 doesn't support all features for plasma 1 which kwin4 provided
[14:05] <Riddell> "Description: terminal program for KDE." I wonder if that sort of description should become "from KDE"
[14:07] <Riddell> or dropped
[14:09] <Riddell> sgclark: where did you get the konsole description? the one in the kde 4 packages seems much nicer
[14:10] <sgclark> Riddell: I can grab from kde4 package, I dont recall now, prolly the frameworks site. I am working on epochs so will fix that while I am at it
[14:12] <Riddell> sgclark: don't worry I just did it
[14:12] <sgclark> ok
[14:13] <Riddell> hmm I wonder if the changelog from the kde 4 package should be preserved
[14:16] <sgclark> I waasnt sure as it is another branch
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: did you start the packaging based on the existing konsole package or just start from scratch?
[14:17] <Riddell> that's probably a good detemining factor in whether to keep the changelog
[14:17] <sgclark> started from scratch
[14:18] <Riddell> lets not keep it then
[14:18] <Riddell> hah, debian's weird patch debian-T-addition.diff still applies without changing
[14:21] <sgclark> Riddell: do we have a kbzr equivalent for next?
[14:22] <Riddell> sgclark: knextbzr :)
[14:22] <sgclark> I am practicing my bashy scripty skills with this epoch thing 
[14:22] <sgclark> thanks!
[14:22] <Riddell> update kubuntu-dev-tools to get it
[14:22] <sgclark> great thanks
[14:22] <Riddell> I have it in my $PATH too
[14:22] <sgclark> good idea
[14:24] <Riddell> uh oh, massif-visualizer broke my arm!
[14:25] <Riddell> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/178826931/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-armhf.massif-visualizer_0.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:25] <Riddell> ../../../kdchart/src/KDChartStackedPlotter_p.cpp:87:43: error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(double&, const qreal&)'
[14:28] <sgclark> yeah saw that, beyond my capabilities
[14:29] <Riddell> it's usually pretty simple to fix, just qMax() cast around the double
[14:29] <Riddell> but annoyingly my arm server has changed ip or something so I can't log in to check
[14:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division
[14:31] <Riddell> which sounds ominous
[14:41] <Riddell> sgclark: konsole looking good
[14:41] <Riddell> I added lintian override, the postinst and prerm scripts for alternatives and the do-noting debian patch from the old package
[14:42] <Riddell> working fine too, although I had to change the font from sans-serif
[14:43] <Riddell> hmm I'm not convinced by oxygen mono for a terminal font
[14:43] <sgclark> same
[14:44] <Riddell> but yay, first kf5 non-plasma app running good enough for daily use :)
[14:45] <Riddell> konsole 
[14:45] <Riddell> konsole  ~ppa3 uploaded
[14:46] <sgclark> woot, ty
[14:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does that kubotu pluin work?  what makes it delayed at times?
[14:56] <apachelogger> only polls every 30 minutes
[14:57] <apachelogger> eean for some reason decided that one cannot have it poll more often than that
[14:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: polls what? the bzr branch directly?
[14:57] <apachelogger> the rss feeds
[14:57] <Riddell> launchpad has rss feeds for bzr branches?
[14:58] <apachelogger> sure
[14:58] <Riddell> nice
[15:00] <Riddell> hmm, I realise I have a discipline problem with added dep3 headers to patches
[15:05] <shadeslayer> tsk tsk
[15:05] <Riddell> maybe we need a kubotu patch to tell me off every time I commit a patch without dep 3
[15:23] <Riddell> sgclark: in kde-baseapps any idea why libkonq5-templates exists?  I see it's there in the kde 4 version but I don't see why it's a separate package
[15:24] <sgclark> Riddell: I don't either, just saw they did that in kde4
[15:25] <sgclark> Riddell: do to the sizr of that, I admit I looked at the kde4 counterpart to see what they did.
[15:26] <Riddell> that's a good thing to do
[15:26] <sgclark> if it is wrong I blame them :) should probably also merge changelogs unless we make drastic changes
[15:26] <Riddell> changelog says " Split some files from libkonq5 out into libkonq5-templates which conflict with KDE 3's kdesktop." so it's a historic issue
[15:27] <Riddell> on the other hand it probably should keep libkonq-common incase of ABI bumps
[15:27] <Riddell> and the whole ABI should be bumped compared to kde 4 version
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-workspace migrated
[15:40] <Riddell> yay!
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess in copyright files where the script has put " -? konqueror/sidebar/web_module/CMakeLists.txt
[15:46] <Riddell> that means you should check to confirm if it comes under that copyright or not
[15:46] <Riddell> and then remove the -?
[15:46] <Riddell> I guess
[15:46] <Riddell> not sure what - or + mean
[15:46] <Riddell> presumably it's all documented somewhere
[15:47] <sgclark> ALmost the CMakeLists.txt I have checked dont have any copyright in them, I guess they fall under * ?
[15:47] <sgclark> all*
[15:47] <sgclark> the - ones are excluded, the + ones are included
[15:48] <sgclark> I alway double check the - ones to make sure they are listed in the appropriate copyright
[15:49] <sgclark> aka go directly to that file and see what copyright it has
[15:50] <sgclark> copyright-helper is nice, but far from fool proof. I still have to manually check alot of files
[15:50] <sgclark> but with my up and coming elite scripting skills it will get easier
[15:57] <Riddell> :)
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[16:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: deleted
[16:10] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:10] <sgclark> tee hee only one needed epoch added, learned new skills though, so I am happy
[16:11]  * Riddell admires sgclark's ninja headscarf
[16:11] <sgclark> :)
[16:13] <sgclark> Riddell: what would be the next app you think, rekonq?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> errors installing kde-workspace on 14.10,  http://privatepaste.com/425c022733 ...oddly enough -f install fixed this issue on my laptop with intel graphics, but fails to fix the error on my older desktop with nvidia graphics 
[16:16] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh yeah that would be cool, no idea what state it's in but worth investigating
[16:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ok :) working on that now
[16:24]  * Darkwing grumbles
[16:25] <Riddell> Darkwing: don't grumble, give a whistle, things always turn out for the best
[16:26] <Darkwing> Wonder how many of these things will be addressed in KDE5 https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues
[16:26] <Riddell> plasma 5? someone is taking that on
[16:26] <Riddell> sebas maybe
[16:26] <Darkwing> I have one of those new laptops with it and finding a setup that works is insane.
[16:32] <Darkwing> Is there any UI scaling in 14.04 and I'm just not looking in the right place?
[16:33] <Darkwing> I know where the fint scaling is... That helps
[16:33] <shadeslayer> voila, new Neon 5 ISO http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-201406271613.iso.mirrorlist
[16:33] <Darkwing> But, I can't find any info on UI scaling.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> kde-window -manager is broken on my desktop pc, no pagers for virtual desktops etc, no titlebars ...not good
[16:41] <BluesKaj> after the kwin upgrade 
[17:33] <Riddell> sgclark: new kde-baseapps uploaded, I just grabbed a new version from git for the soname change and added some lintian overrides, overwise packaging all good
[17:36] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like Quintasan did some sddm packaging which is in bzr, did you start fresh?
[17:36] <Riddell> and does it work?
[17:37] <Quintasan> I did and shadeslayer built something on top of it
[17:39] <Riddell> pacakging a display manager will need upstart scripts and other foo which I think Quintasan's packaging has
[17:39] <sgclark> Riddell: shadeslayer has taken that back over
[17:40] <sgclark> Riddell: disregard mine, shadeslayer is takin g the bits from mine that he wants.
[17:40] <Riddell> ah, he just went to play his fiddle so I'll guess I'll work that out next week
[17:41] <sgclark> He was working on it earlier, maybe go look at his?
[17:42] <sgclark> Riddell: [06:49] <shadeslayer> lets see if it works was his last comment about upstart script, no idea what the outcome was
[17:43] <Quintasan> Why would we want upstart
[17:43] <Quintasan> wait
[17:43] <Quintasan> systemd switch for 14.10 or not?
[17:43] <Riddell> well whatever boot system we use now
[17:44] <Riddell> I hope it's for 14.10, don't think it's happened yet
[17:49] <Riddell> new plasma-mediacenter too if anyone is in a mood to package
[17:51]  * sgclark raises hand
[17:51] <sgclark> Riddell: is that for kf5?
[17:56] <Riddell> sgclark: don't think so no
[17:56] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so build in trusty qt4?
[17:56] <Riddell> sgclark: utopic and backport to trusty on qt4 http://dot.kde.org/2014/06/23/plasma-media-center-13-available
[17:57] <Riddell> probably a simple update from 1.2
[17:57] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so I can make that a weekend project unless your in a hurry for it, in which case someone else can package :)
[17:57] <Riddell> bug 1334595
[17:57] <Riddell> sgclark: sure, no rush
[17:58] <sgclark> ok assigned myself then, will have it ready for you monday
[18:01] <Riddell> awooga
[18:01] <sgclark> this does not look right /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake and of course KF5Config.cmake cannot be found
[18:02]  * sgclark wonders what happened
[18:03] <Riddell> sgclark: what's not right?
[18:04] <Riddell> the file called KF5ConfigConfig.cmake is right, it's the cmake config file for KF5Config
[18:04] <sgclark> see the double Config?
[18:04] <Riddell> that's right
[18:04] <sgclark> well this package thinks it should only have one config
[18:04] <sgclark> bug in this package?
[18:05] <Riddell> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Service/KF5ServiceConfig.cmake for KF5Service, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake for KF5Config
[18:05] <Riddell> sgclark: which package?
[18:05] <sgclark> rekonq
[18:06] <sgclark> dies at KF5Config.cmake find_package
[18:07] <sgclark> but now I see the pattern, investigating the find_package
[18:08] <Riddell> it's always possible there's been some change in frameworks and rekonq hasn't been updated for it
[18:09] <sgclark> hmm yeah, the version is wrong, KF5_MIN_VERSION "4.96.0" would that trigger it?
[18:10] <sgclark> otherwise looks right...
[18:11] <Riddell> maybe
[18:11] <sgclark> trying a patch
[18:12] <sgclark> blech, nope
[18:14] <Riddell> -FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 CONFIG REQUIRED
[18:14] <Riddell> +FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 REQUIRED
[18:14] <Riddell> sgclark: try that 
[18:14] <sgclark> ok
[18:14] <Riddell> in CMakeLists.txt
[18:14] <sgclark> yep
[18:15] <Riddell> however if it's not been worked on since May there might be other issues that stop it from compiling
[18:15] <sgclark> that fixed that error 
[18:16] <sgclark> ok, will keep me busy for a bit then lol. I don't give up easy
[18:16] <sgclark> it is compiling though, gonna step out for some lunch, be back shortly
[18:34] <sgclark> Riddell: it compiled :) is that something we want to send upstream?
[18:46] <Riddell> sgclark: sure, just commit it I think, pretty safe
[18:51] <sgclark> Riddell: source-is-missing src/data/jquery-1.7.2.min.js but  it is there? Not sure I understand this one
[18:52] <Riddell> sgclark: look at it, can you understand that javascript?
[18:52] <Riddell> it has been minified which means all the spaces removed so it's not preferred modified form
[18:52] <Riddell> ignore for now, it should be fixed upstream
[18:52] <sgclark> oohh ok
[19:17] <txwikinger> Does anybody have an idea why Qtcreator 3.0.1 on trusty does not show the menubar?
[19:22] <txwikinger> ah got it
[20:31] <ahoneybun> Riddell, sgclark what would happen if I add the Kubuntu Next ppa to a 14.10 install?
[20:33] <sgclark> ahoneybun: it is not recommended to put in on a production computer.
[20:33] <ahoneybun> sgclark, tesing notebook
[20:34] <ahoneybun> sgclark, so would it replace the current apps with kde5 versions?
[20:35] <sgclark> I cannot guarantee a problem free experience. Only a few apps have been ported
[20:35] <ahoneybun> sgclark,thats ok is it for testing?
[20:35] <Riddell> ahoneybun: but it would be good if you wanted to test
[20:35] <ahoneybun> or is it better to use neon 5?
[20:35] <sgclark> you will need to put QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to even login
[20:35] <Riddell> nah you don't just install qt5-default
[20:36] <sgclark> ahoneybun: yes if you are brave, please do test :) and let me know problems
[20:42] <sgclark> Riddell: rekonq is ready for your review, this time I just adjusted kde4 debian to work with the frameworks build
[20:53] <Riddell> sgclark: great
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[21:02] <Riddell> hi shadeslayer 
[21:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where are you? 
[21:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: same place you left me
[21:02] <Riddell> this chair is so sticky I'm not sure I can get out of it
[21:03] <shadeslayer> Office?  :O
[21:03] <Riddell> yes
[21:03] <shadeslayer> Is Albert there? 
[21:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no he left an hour or so ago
[21:04] <Riddell> sgclark: I wouldn't use 4:4.97.0 version for rekonq, it has always been released as its own separate thing
[21:04] <Riddell> sgclark: so maybe use 2.5~
[21:04] <shadeslayer> I see
[21:05] <Riddell> sgclark: I'd remove any patches that are no longer relevant from the archive
[21:06] <Riddell> sgclark: otherwise all super
[22:36] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell: any news about the server?
[22:38] <valorie> [13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:15] ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division
[22:38] <valorie> [13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:26] which sounds ominous
[22:38] <valorie> we had a lil netsplit, so you might have missed that
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin_> valorie: I've missed it
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin_> thanks
[22:40] <ovidiu-florin_> valorie: do you think this would be ok as a link to my wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OvidiuFlorinBogdan
[22:40] <ovidiu-florin_> I'm creating it now
[22:41] <valorie> uh, I think personal pages are different
[22:41] <valorie> sec
[22:41] <ovidiu-florin_> as I've seen from Riddell s page the format is: base-wiki-url/full-name
[22:42] <valorie> no, you are right
[22:42] <valorie> I'm wrong
[22:42] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ValorieZimmerman is mine
[22:42] <ovidiu-florin_> ok, thank you
[22:43] <valorie> take anything you like from mine; it's all lifted from elsewhere also