[00:00] which way is kubuntu 14.10 going? kf5 or plasma 5 whatever they call it. I see alpha1 and looks like it's 4.11 and some 4.13? [00:01] sakang: kf5/plasma 5 will be on a seperate ISO, it is still in heavy development. Well that is the plan anyway. [00:03] sgclark: got you.. thanks [00:03] np [02:15] Riddell: I think you should do the maintenance releases for Plasma 5 5.0. The first cycle isn't just about code, it's also about maturing processes and project structure, so I think you should deal with it the same as you plan to deal with such things in the future. [02:55] Riddell: [13:53:56] hi, the package from you for Akademy just arrived to Brno :) [02:56] :) [03:00] Riddell, shadeslayer should I help test neon 5 or 14.10 alpha? [05:19] valorie,ping [05:20] apachelogger, 14.10 alpha installed fine [05:20] hi ahoneybun [05:21] contentless ping.... [05:21] yay 14.10 installed fine [05:21] alpha 1 [05:22] nice! [05:22] seems I have no insternet but I think I need my drivers [05:22] * valorie will not be jumping into the alpha frying pan [05:23] I have a spare macbook [05:23] so why not [05:24] I decided to give my spare laptop to a friend who needs it [05:24] the steam sale is hitting my credit hard lol [05:24] this fall after akademy I'll experiment === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [07:28] Good morning. [08:15] Good morning everybody [08:16] Riddell: The link of kubuntu next repo in the wiki is wrong [08:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu [08:17] it points to "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu%20Next%20PPA" [08:17] instaed of "https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next" === OnkV is now known as Haudegen [10:11] 'Morning all [10:32] good morning :) [10:36] hey shadeslayer [11:42] Riddell: good morning, did you get to kgraphviewer (utopic) if so where did you upload it to? === soee_ is now known as soee [12:39] hola sgclark [12:39] it should be in utopic archive [12:40] I'll take a look at your other packages shortly [12:49] Riddell: Sorry, your search gave no results in archive. It is a depend of massif :( [12:54] sgclark: ah hah, it was stuck in new [12:54] accepted it [12:56] ty [12:58] Riddell: regarding the frameworks build of kde-baseapps and konsole, would adding epoch 5 be an acceptable solution to my problem? [13:07] sgclark: add epoch 4: [13:07] should fix it all [13:07] Riddell: ok thanks [13:09] and I just finally got someone from debian to say using 4: globally for plasma packages would be a good idea, so yay [13:10] ok will do that. this just for apps or the frameworks as well? [13:18] sgclark: just plasma [13:19] ok [13:19] and apps which have packages with the same name in the archive [13:19] I guess we'll decide on other apps as they start to appear [13:25] sgclark: oh they should probably have gone into the beta backports PPA being only beta releases, but it's not very important since there's no stable package for them to override [13:26] beta backports? where is that? [13:27] Riddell: and where is the kgraphviewer? I can't find it :( [13:29] sgclark: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer I just accepted the binaries through New too [13:29] new packages need to be manually checked twice by archive admins, once for source and once for binary sanity === soee_ is now known as soee [13:30] sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages for people who want the latest unstable packages :) [13:30] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages for people who want the latest stable packages [13:31] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages (updates) for people who want the latest bugfix packages [13:31] Riddell: thank you, added to my ever growing bookmarks haha [13:31] and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages for building e.g. KDE SC releases before copying to an archive (same as ninjas but it's public) [13:32] and now https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages for KF5 packages and those which use it [13:32] Riddell: thank you, copied to my notes. [13:34] Riddell: with that said, what I packaged should close Bug #1334587 ? did not realize there was a bug report [13:34] bug 1334587 in kgraphviewer (Ubuntu) "Please update kgraphviewer to 2.2beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334587 [13:35] sgclark: two bug reports actually, also bug 1244261 [13:35] bug 1244261 in massif-visualizer (Ubuntu) "kgraphviewer needs porting from libgraph to libcgraph (remove binaries for now)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244261 [13:36] sgclark: just close that update bug manually, I've already done the other one for kgraphviewer [13:36] ok thanks [13:38] sgclark: massif-visualizer looks like a work of perfection, I'll add that bug to the changelog and upload [13:38] Riddell: ok thanks [13:40] Riddell: aside from adding epoch to plasma stuff, any other priority for me today? Or back to packaging more framework apps [13:41] sgclark: can't think of anything [13:41] monday will have frameworks final release whenever dfaure gets round to it [13:41] Riddell: ok I will be here [13:41] thursday will have plasma RC release [13:42] Riddell: will be here, Fri is a holiday but I have no plans === OnkV is now known as Haudegen [13:44] Riddell: so just to be clear all of the plasma is the 4.97.0 stuff right? [13:45] sgclark: yep [13:45] ty [13:45] this stuff ignoring the bits with different version numbers http://download.kde.org/unstable/plasma/4.97.0/src/ [13:48] anyone know what's still holding kde-workspace from transition? it's something to do with kubuntu-full but I can get them to install fine http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt [13:51] Riddell: on i386? [13:51] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration [13:51] mm no, might try that [13:52] probably those windeco's need rebuilding [13:52] because I recall abi bumps in kwin libs [13:52] yep [13:52] shadeslayer: ? [13:53] Riddell: btw. kwin/5 should now be completely co-installable with kwin/4 and it has entered opensuse factory *hint,hint* [13:53] mgraesslin: nothing to be concerned about :) [13:53] internal debian ABI bumps [13:53] good [13:53] mgraesslin: hmm, interesting, that might be the trigger to put KF5 into the archive if it has a valid user [13:54] Riddell: might be an idea, opensuse even suggested to add kwin5 to the WM selection of plasma 1 [13:55] though I'm not convinced as kwin5 doesn't support all features for plasma 1 which kwin4 provided [14:05] "Description: terminal program for KDE." I wonder if that sort of description should become "from KDE" [14:07] or dropped [14:09] sgclark: where did you get the konsole description? the one in the kde 4 packages seems much nicer [14:10] Riddell: I can grab from kde4 package, I dont recall now, prolly the frameworks site. I am working on epochs so will fix that while I am at it [14:12] sgclark: don't worry I just did it [14:12] ok [14:13] hmm I wonder if the changelog from the kde 4 package should be preserved [14:16] I waasnt sure as it is another branch [14:17] sgclark: did you start the packaging based on the existing konsole package or just start from scratch? [14:17] that's probably a good detemining factor in whether to keep the changelog [14:17] started from scratch [14:18] lets not keep it then [14:18] hah, debian's weird patch debian-T-addition.diff still applies without changing [14:21] Riddell: do we have a kbzr equivalent for next? [14:22] sgclark: knextbzr :) [14:22] I am practicing my bashy scripty skills with this epoch thing [14:22] thanks! [14:22] update kubuntu-dev-tools to get it [14:22] great thanks [14:22] I have it in my $PATH too [14:22] good idea [14:24] uh oh, massif-visualizer broke my arm! [14:25] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/178826931/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-armhf.massif-visualizer_0.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [14:25] ../../../kdchart/src/KDChartStackedPlotter_p.cpp:87:43: error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(double&, const qreal&)' [14:28] yeah saw that, beyond my capabilities [14:29] it's usually pretty simple to fix, just qMax() cast around the double [14:29] but annoyingly my arm server has changed ip or something so I can't log in to check [14:31] ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division [14:31] which sounds ominous [14:41] sgclark: konsole looking good [14:41] I added lintian override, the postinst and prerm scripts for alternatives and the do-noting debian patch from the old package [14:42] working fine too, although I had to change the font from sans-serif [14:43] hmm I'm not convinced by oxygen mono for a terminal font [14:43] same [14:44] but yay, first kf5 non-plasma app running good enough for daily use :) [14:45] konsole [14:45] konsole ~ppa3 uploaded [14:46] woot, ty [14:55] apachelogger: how does that kubotu pluin work? what makes it delayed at times? [14:56] only polls every 30 minutes [14:57] eean for some reason decided that one cannot have it poll more often than that [14:57] apachelogger: polls what? the bzr branch directly? [14:57] the rss feeds [14:57] launchpad has rss feeds for bzr branches? [14:58] sure [14:58] nice [15:00] hmm, I realise I have a discipline problem with added dep3 headers to patches [15:05] tsk tsk [15:05] maybe we need a kubotu patch to tell me off every time I commit a patch without dep 3 [15:23] sgclark: in kde-baseapps any idea why libkonq5-templates exists? I see it's there in the kde 4 version but I don't see why it's a separate package [15:24] Riddell: I don't either, just saw they did that in kde4 [15:25] Riddell: do to the sizr of that, I admit I looked at the kde4 counterpart to see what they did. [15:26] that's a good thing to do [15:26] if it is wrong I blame them :) should probably also merge changelogs unless we make drastic changes [15:26] changelog says " Split some files from libkonq5 out into libkonq5-templates which conflict with KDE 3's kdesktop." so it's a historic issue [15:27] on the other hand it probably should keep libkonq-common incase of ABI bumps [15:27] and the whole ABI should be bumped compared to kde 4 version === toscalix_ is now known as toscalix [15:35] Riddell: kde-workspace migrated [15:40] yay! [15:45] sgclark: I guess in copyright files where the script has put " -? konqueror/sidebar/web_module/CMakeLists.txt [15:46] that means you should check to confirm if it comes under that copyright or not [15:46] and then remove the -? [15:46] I guess [15:46] not sure what - or + mean [15:46] presumably it's all documented somewhere [15:47] ALmost the CMakeLists.txt I have checked dont have any copyright in them, I guess they fall under * ? [15:47] all* [15:47] the - ones are excluded, the + ones are included [15:48] I alway double check the - ones to make sure they are listed in the appropriate copyright [15:49] aka go directly to that file and see what copyright it has [15:50] copyright-helper is nice, but far from fool proof. I still have to manually check alot of files [15:50] but with my up and coming elite scripting skills it will get easier [15:57] :) [16:05] Riddell: ping [16:09] shadeslayer: deleted [16:10] \o/ [16:10] tee hee only one needed epoch added, learned new skills though, so I am happy [16:11] * Riddell admires sgclark's ninja headscarf [16:11] :) [16:13] Riddell: what would be the next app you think, rekonq? [16:15] errors installing kde-workspace on 14.10, http://privatepaste.com/425c022733 ...oddly enough -f install fixed this issue on my laptop with intel graphics, but fails to fix the error on my older desktop with nvidia graphics [16:16] sgclark: ooh yeah that would be cool, no idea what state it's in but worth investigating [16:17] Riddell: ok :) working on that now [16:24] * Darkwing grumbles [16:25] Darkwing: don't grumble, give a whistle, things always turn out for the best [16:26] Wonder how many of these things will be addressed in KDE5 https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues [16:26] plasma 5? someone is taking that on [16:26] sebas maybe [16:26] I have one of those new laptops with it and finding a setup that works is insane. [16:32] Is there any UI scaling in 14.04 and I'm just not looking in the right place? [16:33] I know where the fint scaling is... That helps [16:33] voila, new Neon 5 ISO http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-201406271613.iso.mirrorlist [16:33] But, I can't find any info on UI scaling. [16:39] kde-window -manager is broken on my desktop pc, no pagers for virtual desktops etc, no titlebars ...not good [16:41] after the kwin upgrade === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [17:33] sgclark: new kde-baseapps uploaded, I just grabbed a new version from git for the soname change and added some lintian overrides, overwise packaging all good [17:36] sgclark: looks like Quintasan did some sddm packaging which is in bzr, did you start fresh? [17:36] and does it work? [17:37] I did and shadeslayer built something on top of it [17:39] pacakging a display manager will need upstart scripts and other foo which I think Quintasan's packaging has [17:39] Riddell: shadeslayer has taken that back over [17:40] Riddell: disregard mine, shadeslayer is takin g the bits from mine that he wants. [17:40] ah, he just went to play his fiddle so I'll guess I'll work that out next week [17:41] He was working on it earlier, maybe go look at his? [17:42] Riddell: [06:49] lets see if it works was his last comment about upstart script, no idea what the outcome was [17:43] Why would we want upstart [17:43] wait [17:43] systemd switch for 14.10 or not? [17:43] well whatever boot system we use now [17:44] I hope it's for 14.10, don't think it's happened yet [17:49] new plasma-mediacenter too if anyone is in a mood to package [17:51] * sgclark raises hand [17:51] Riddell: is that for kf5? [17:56] sgclark: don't think so no [17:56] Riddell: ok so build in trusty qt4? [17:56] sgclark: utopic and backport to trusty on qt4 http://dot.kde.org/2014/06/23/plasma-media-center-13-available [17:57] probably a simple update from 1.2 [17:57] Riddell: ok so I can make that a weekend project unless your in a hurry for it, in which case someone else can package :) [17:57] bug 1334595 [17:57] bug 1334595 in plasma-mediacenter (Ubuntu) "Please update plasma-mediacenter to 1.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334595 [17:57] sgclark: sure, no rush [17:58] ok assigned myself then, will have it ready for you monday [18:01] awooga [18:01] this does not look right /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake and of course KF5Config.cmake cannot be found [18:02] * sgclark wonders what happened [18:03] sgclark: what's not right? [18:04] the file called KF5ConfigConfig.cmake is right, it's the cmake config file for KF5Config [18:04] see the double Config? [18:04] that's right [18:04] well this package thinks it should only have one config [18:04] bug in this package? [18:05] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Service/KF5ServiceConfig.cmake for KF5Service, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake for KF5Config [18:05] sgclark: which package? [18:05] rekonq [18:06] dies at KF5Config.cmake find_package [18:07] but now I see the pattern, investigating the find_package [18:08] it's always possible there's been some change in frameworks and rekonq hasn't been updated for it [18:09] hmm yeah, the version is wrong, KF5_MIN_VERSION "4.96.0" would that trigger it? [18:10] otherwise looks right... [18:11] maybe [18:11] trying a patch [18:12] blech, nope [18:14] -FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 CONFIG REQUIRED [18:14] +FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 REQUIRED [18:14] sgclark: try that [18:14] ok [18:14] in CMakeLists.txt [18:14] yep [18:15] however if it's not been worked on since May there might be other issues that stop it from compiling [18:15] that fixed that error [18:16] ok, will keep me busy for a bit then lol. I don't give up easy [18:16] it is compiling though, gonna step out for some lunch, be back shortly [18:34] Riddell: it compiled :) is that something we want to send upstream? [18:46] sgclark: sure, just commit it I think, pretty safe [18:51] Riddell: source-is-missing src/data/jquery-1.7.2.min.js but it is there? Not sure I understand this one [18:52] sgclark: look at it, can you understand that javascript? [18:52] it has been minified which means all the spaces removed so it's not preferred modified form [18:52] ignore for now, it should be fixed upstream [18:52] oohh ok === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [19:17] Does anybody have an idea why Qtcreator 3.0.1 on trusty does not show the menubar? [19:22] ah got it [20:31] Riddell, sgclark what would happen if I add the Kubuntu Next ppa to a 14.10 install? [20:33] ahoneybun: it is not recommended to put in on a production computer. [20:33] sgclark, tesing notebook [20:34] sgclark, so would it replace the current apps with kde5 versions? [20:35] I cannot guarantee a problem free experience. Only a few apps have been ported [20:35] sgclark,thats ok is it for testing? [20:35] ahoneybun: but it would be good if you wanted to test [20:35] or is it better to use neon 5? [20:35] you will need to put QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to even login [20:35] nah you don't just install qt5-default [20:36] ahoneybun: yes if you are brave, please do test :) and let me know problems [20:42] Riddell: rekonq is ready for your review, this time I just adjusted kde4 debian to work with the frameworks build [20:53] sgclark: great [20:56] Riddell: ping === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps [21:02] hi shadeslayer [21:02] Riddell: where are you? [21:02] shadeslayer: same place you left me [21:02] this chair is so sticky I'm not sure I can get out of it [21:03] Office? :O [21:03] yes [21:03] Is Albert there? [21:03] shadeslayer: no he left an hour or so ago [21:04] sgclark: I wouldn't use 4:4.97.0 version for rekonq, it has always been released as its own separate thing [21:04] sgclark: so maybe use 2.5~ [21:04] I see [21:05] sgclark: I'd remove any patches that are no longer relevant from the archive [21:06] sgclark: otherwise all super === OnkV is now known as haudegen === Don is now known as Guest67070 [22:36] Riddell: any news about the server? [22:38] [13:24] [14:31:15] ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division [22:38] [13:24] [14:31:26] which sounds ominous [22:38] we had a lil netsplit, so you might have missed that [22:39] valorie: I've missed it [22:39] thanks [22:40] valorie: do you think this would be ok as a link to my wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OvidiuFlorinBogdan [22:40] I'm creating it now [22:41] uh, I think personal pages are different [22:41] sec [22:41] as I've seen from Riddell s page the format is: base-wiki-url/full-name [22:42] no, you are right [22:42] I'm wrong [22:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ValorieZimmerman is mine [22:42] ok, thank you [22:43] take anything you like from mine; it's all lifted from elsewhere also === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars