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syntroPiI am using Gnome 3.12 from the https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging ppa on trusty x64: where can i get a trustworthy x64 build of totem 3.12 aka gnome "videos" from?05:54
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syntroPiAny ideas why it wont build?06:17
darkxstsyntroPi, isnt it on the ppa?06:32
darkxstsyntroPi, oh I remember it needs clutter update, so utopic only for now06:35
darkxstNoskcaj, I think gnome-themes-standard should be ok to merge07:18
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syntroPidarkxst, do you think they will include all those packages "apt-cache rdepends libclutter-1.0-0" in the "http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu trusty main" PPA?07:22
syntroPiso they can upgrade that and include the totem in trusty ppa?07:22
Noskcajhttps://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/gnome-themes-standard/merge07:23
Noskcajdone a while back07:24
Noskcajit and libgweather haven't been reviewed07:24
syntroPiCant wait for a full 3.12 its getting its awesomeness back finally :)07:26
darkxstNoskcaj, ok, -desktop are holding that one at ransom ;(07:43
darkxstNoskcaj, and you should keep the Vcs-bzr as long as that is the case!07:44
Noskcaji didn't? woops07:45
darkxstotherwise looks fine07:46
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amjjawadknock knock21:04
aldomann*answers the door21:04
amjjawadaldomann, hey :D21:04
amjjawadhappy birthday :D21:04
aldomannthanks brother21:04
amjjawadops, I forgot your cake at the ref :P21:05
aldomannsatyajit is not going to attend today21:05
amjjawadwait, let me bring it back hehe21:05
aldomannhehehe21:05
amjjawadyep, I expected that ... it is okay, hopefully we could find a way for the timing21:05
aldomannyep, I know the stuff he wants to discuss today :)21:06
aldomannso not a big deal21:06
aldomann(of the the them is the future timing, of course)21:06
amjjawadaldomann, that is the point of having a leaders board ;)21:07
amjjawadso that sub-teams could talk to each other and one or two people from each sub-team could attend the weekly meetings21:07
amjjawadit is great that me and you are close time wise to each others21:08
amjjawadbut yeah, not for everyone21:08
aldomannyep, that's true and that was exactly what I was thinking today21:08
amjjawadhehe, great minds think alike :D21:08
aldomann:p21:09
amjjawadokay, it seems only the both of us?21:09
amjjawadit is the fasting season and I'm here ... and I thought I'm the lazy one :P21:10
amjjawadnot sure if it is good idea to invite the users to these meetings?!21:10
aldomannmhh21:10
aldomannso, we eait for Tim to start, right?21:11
amjjawadyeah21:11
amjjawad4 more mins21:11
aldomannok21:11
amjjawadotherwise, I will start and he can catch up :P21:11
aldomannok21:12
amjjawadso, did you like the 3 announcements?21:13
amjjawadas usual, no one replied yet ...21:14
aldomannall about the HR sub team and that?21:14
amjjawadabout what we discussed the last meeting21:14
amjjawad3 different new decisions21:15
amjjawadOkay, I will start and it seems this one will be a short meeting :(21:15
aldomannok, cool21:15
amjjawad#chair amjjawad21:15
amjjawad#startmeeting [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #221:16
meetingologyMeeting started Sun Jun 29 21:16:58 2014 UTC.  The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.21:16
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick21:16
amjjawad#topic 1. Discuss and decide who will be Acting TL21:17
amjjawadhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader21:17
aldomannhey, satyajit21:17
amjjawadHello satya164 :)21:17
satya164hello21:17
amjjawadIt is just the 3 of us and the meeting has just started :)21:18
amjjawaddid you guys read about the link I just posted? the Acting TL blueprint? we discussed about that on last week meeting :)21:18
satya164good21:19
satya164yeah, I had a look21:19
aldomannyep21:19
amjjawadokay, since UG Artwork people are here :D have you decided who is going to be Mr. Acting? :P21:19
aldomannsatya164 of course21:20
satya164nope :p21:20
amjjawadhahah why I'm not surprised :P21:20
amjjawadOkay, kidding a side, are you okay with that, satya164 ?21:21
satya164yeah, but I need to know my responsibilities first21:21
amjjawadsatya164, sigh :( I thought you had a look at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader21:21
amjjawadyou just need to have a quick look + being an Acting will qualify you to be part of UG Shinobi Team21:22
amjjawadwhich is the UG Leaders Board :)21:23
satya164had a look, but I forget a lot, and sleepy :)21:23
amjjawadhttp://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-leaders-board/21:23
amjjawadOkay, satya164 please check it out when you're not sleepy and let me know ;)21:24
amjjawador just communicate with aldomann and you guys let me know so we do the needful :)21:24
amjjawadfor me, I already know who is going to be for UG Wiki and Doc Team21:24
amjjawadIvan and James = both are amazing and great21:24
satya164yeah. I'll. right now I cannot and my internet kinda sucks21:25
aldomannmy guess, those guys are amazing21:25
amjjawadSadly, I don't have any other names for the rest of the sub-teams that I lead :(21:25
amjjawadaldomann, indeed they are21:25
amjjawadsatya164, no worries21:25
amjjawadI feel really sad that other sub-teams are not working the way they should :(21:25
aldomannthe Acting TL should have admin powers in the launchpad teams, right?21:26
amjjawadfrom a previous experience with other project, it is really BAD if you're part of a team and you don't talk ...21:26
amjjawadteam = team work = people talk to each other21:26
amjjawadaldomann, more or less yes but it is not a must but a plus21:26
amjjawadI mean it is recommended but not really a must21:26
aldomannyes, exactly, I also had (and still have) with elementary localisation teams21:27
satya164I wish every one of us could have lots of time :(21:27
amjjawadJames and Ivan have that for Wiki Team21:27
aldomannit really doesn't work if everyone is doing stuff without consulting eachother21:27
satya164yeah. true.21:27
amjjawadsatya164, tell me about it but look at me? I have tons of stuff but yet, I do attend this meeting and push so hard on myself to do many things at once21:27
amjjawadit is all about commitment ...21:27
satya164yeah. that's true.21:28
aldomannyes, that's why we are a community :)21:28
amjjawadAMEN to that. I totally agree21:28
satya164I always wonder, how do you manage21:28
aldomannhe has clones :p21:28
amjjawadThat is why, for this cycle, I won't focus on the system side ... I will focus on the community side21:28
satya164I'm mostly tired after the day long work21:28
satya164lol21:28
darkxstmorning21:29
amjjawadI put so much effort myself on the system side the last cycle even though I'm not a developer but myself and Tim were doing our best for the LTS and we all got it21:29
amjjawadoh, speaking of the Boss, he just came :D hehe21:29
amjjawadhow are you, darkxst :D21:29
amjjawadwhy you appear offline?!21:29
aldomannmorning darkxst21:29
satya164morning darkxst21:30
amjjawadso, satya164 should I confirm now about you being ATL for Artwork? or not yet?!21:30
darkxstamjjawad, I'm good21:31
satya164yeah. I'm fine with it. just need to have a thorough look at the page21:32
amjjawaddarkxst, good to know that :D21:32
amjjawadsatya164, okay then21:32
amjjawadanyone have anything against satya164 being ATL for Artwork?21:32
aldomannnop21:33
amjjawad+1 here I don't mind21:33
amjjawaddarkxst, ?21:33
darkxst+121:34
amjjawadgood21:34
amjjawad#action satya164 will check https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader and confirm back to aldomann and amjjawad whether he is okay to be Acting TL for UG Artwork or not21:34
meetingologyACTION: satya164 will check https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader and confirm back to aldomann and amjjawad whether he is okay to be Acting TL for UG Artwork or not21:34
amjjawad#agreed UG Leaders board agreed that satya164 is nominated for Acting TL for Artwrok21:35
amjjawadokay, about UG Wiki ... anyone have anything against Ivan and James being Acting TL for Wiki? though they're not here and I need to speak with them about it21:35
satya164nope21:36
aldomannI'm cool with them being ATL21:36
amjjawadsame here, I don't mind21:36
darkxstok21:37
amjjawad#action Ivan and James are both nominated for Acting TL for UG Wiki and Doc Team and amjjawad needs to talk with them about that21:37
meetingologyACTION: Ivan and James are both nominated for Acting TL for UG Wiki and Doc Team and amjjawad needs to talk with them about that21:37
amjjawad#agreed UG Leaders Board agreed that both Ivan and James are good to go for Acting TL for UG Wiki and Doc Team21:38
amjjawaddarkxst, any one you have in mind for the packaging team?21:38
amjjawadI'd assume Steve?21:38
amjjawadaldomann, how many people are you at Artwork now?!21:39
darkxstSteve hasnt been around much lately21:39
darkxstmaybe Noskcaj21:39
amjjawaddarkxst, oh :( :(21:39
Noskcajo/21:39
amjjawadhahah you're here? why are you silent? Noskcaj21:39
Noskcajamjjawad, Because i'm watching dota and working on xfce4-power-manager too21:39
ahoneybuno/21:39
amjjawadNoskcaj, are you following with what we are talking about?!21:40
amjjawadhello ahoneybun :)21:40
Noskcajamjjawad, Just that i got a ping about the packaging team21:40
ahoneybunhey amjjawad21:40
* ahoneybun is trying to get alpha 1 on a usb to install21:40
amjjawadNoskcaj, okay, whenever you're free, please read: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader21:40
amjjawad#action Noskcaj will read the Acting TL blueprint and get back to amjjawad and darkxst whether he is okay with being Acting for the Packaging Team or not21:41
meetingologyACTION: Noskcaj will read the Acting TL blueprint and get back to amjjawad and darkxst whether he is okay with being Acting for the Packaging Team or not21:41
amjjawadNoskcaj, I put it as an action point so none of us will forget that ;)21:42
Noskcajty21:42
amjjawadand, since we're here, anyone has anything against Noskcaj being ATL?21:42
amjjawadNoskcaj, you welcome ;)21:42
satya164nope21:43
amjjawadI don't mind too21:43
amjjawadI know him even before I join UG Team21:43
NoskcajI'm ok with being the ATL21:43
amjjawadhahah did you read it? :P21:44
NoskcajI should probably use gnome some time though21:44
amjjawadNoskcaj, shhh, don't tell that on a public area :P21:44
Noskcaj:)21:44
Noskcaji'll make a VM today21:44
amjjawadNoskcaj, good :)21:44
aldomannhehehe21:45
amjjawadso darkxst and aldomann ?21:45
amjjawadare you both okay with Noskcaj being ATL?21:45
darkxstyes21:45
aldomannyes21:45
* ahoneybun is cheating as well21:46
amjjawadNoskcaj, a side from the blueprint, which should have all what you need to know, not sure if I have put that over there or not ... but if you be an ATL, you also be part of UG shinobi board21:46
amjjawadwhich means, you can vote ;)21:46
amjjawadso, just another task :D21:46
Noskcaj:)21:46
amjjawad#agreed UG Leaders Board agreed Noskcaj be ATL for UG Packaging Team21:47
amjjawadsince ahoneybun is here, do you have any skills when it comes to other Sub-Teams a side from the Wiki?21:47
amjjawadlike Social Media maybe?21:47
amjjawador any other area?!21:47
ahoneybunamjjawad, I have helped darkxst with packaging but tbh he pretty much held my hand though it21:48
amjjawadas for me, I have serious problem when it comes to UG QA, Brainstorming and Marketing :(21:49
amjjawadahoneybun, I'm not going to assign anything extra for you now because (ask me about it) if you burnout, you will never be helpful to yourself and so to anyone else21:49
amjjawadthat said, I won't add anything over your shoulder yet21:50
ahoneybunamjjawad, relating to brainstorming I always loved the start screen they have in Linux Mint21:50
amjjawadbut maybe with the next cycle if you stick around, you might get some tasks21:50
ahoneybunamjjawad, tbh I feel like there is more I could do, or should do21:50
amjjawadahoneybun, the brainstorming area is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Brainstorming21:51
amjjawadahoneybun, we need active people :)21:51
amjjawadleave the leading part to us :D and you guys could handle the rest ;)21:51
amjjawadwe really need active people more than we do need leaders21:51
ahoneybunamjjawad, not really leading type21:51
amjjawadno problem21:52
ahoneybundarkxst, would I install the alpha 1 to package with?21:52
amjjawadbefore we go to the next topic, I want you all to tell me what should I do for the other Sub-Team?21:52
amjjawada re-stricture?21:52
amjjawadahoneybun, let's talk about that Q after the meeting, please :)21:52
darkxstahoneybun, yes21:53
ahoneybunok sorry21:53
amjjawadahoneybun, no problem :)21:53
amjjawadso, any idea guys?!21:53
ahoneybunwhat teams are left amjjawad ?21:53
amjjawadUG Brainstorming = 100% idle21:53
amjjawadUG Marketing = 98% idle21:53
satyaHow many active members are in those teams?21:54
ahoneybunamjjawad, tbh I forum is always good for Brainstorming21:54
amjjawadUG QA = 50% and they just don't communicate21:54
amjjawadBrain and Marketing = me :(21:54
satya;(21:55
amjjawadand there is 1-2 people helping every now and then with social media stuff but not really what I need21:55
ahoneybunamjjawad, I could help with SM21:55
satyaI could help with sm21:55
ahoneybun*SM21:55
amjjawadBrainstorming could be of a great help but looking at the current status of our community, I'd say it is helpless for this cycle but could be helpful the next one21:56
amjjawadas for QA and Marketing, we DO NEED these to be super active21:56
amjjawadahoneybun, and satya what you guys could really do is ... writing news of what our team is doing21:57
amjjawadfor the social media, I'm 90% fine to handle that alone21:57
amjjawadbut when it comes to writing news of what we're doing, I'm very very very short in time and efforts21:57
satyaGood. I can do that too.21:58
ahoneybunamjjawad, so reports of meetings and so on21:58
aldomannNice :)21:58
amjjawadokay, so to make life easier for both of us ... satya can write about news from Artwork team ONLY for now21:58
amjjawadahoneybun, no, not reports of the meeting, this is what I usually take care of. I do need news about our team and what we usually do and such news go to the public around the world21:59
amjjawadahoneybun, have you seen the 3 posts I have published on our website 2 days ago?21:59
darkxstahoneybun, want to take care of release notes for future milestone releases? alpha-1 went out without any!22:00
amjjawadthat would be super great darkxst22:00
ahoneybundarkxst, sure22:00
amjjawadspecially when I'm not around22:00
amjjawadmyself and ahoneybun could work on that22:01
aldomannso, you take care of the news and release notes, ahoneybun?22:01
amjjawadI'd suggest to go for the release notes22:01
amjjawadthat would make the burden much less on me22:01
* ahoneybun feels silly for not getting the concept of the "news"22:02
ahoneybunbut release notes sure22:02
amjjawadahoneybun, forget the news part22:02
ahoneybunok amjjawad22:02
amjjawadso, everyone ... are you okay with this? please vote quickly :)22:02
satya164+122:02
darkxst+122:03
amjjawad+122:03
aldomannabsolutely22:03
amjjawadperfect22:03
amjjawad#action ahoneybun will work with amjjawad on the release notes for UG milestones and will handle that in case amjjawad will be away or busy22:03
meetingologyACTION: ahoneybun will work with amjjawad on the release notes for UG milestones and will handle that in case amjjawad will be away or busy22:03
amjjawad#agreed UG Leaders Board agreed that ahoneybun to help amjjawad and handle the Release Notes for UG milestones22:04
amjjawadokay, phew :D thanks!22:04
* ahoneybun looks at ReleaseSchedule22:04
amjjawadFor the other team, let's worry about that later ... I guess 10 apples at one hand is just too much at the moment22:04
amjjawadlet's talk about that later22:04
satya164So, wallpaper contest?22:05
amjjawad#action amjjawad to discuss the activities of UG QA + UG Marketing + UG Brainstorming at next week meeting.22:05
meetingologyACTION: amjjawad to discuss the activities of UG QA + UG Marketing + UG Brainstorming at next week meeting.22:05
amjjawadsatya164, not yet ;)22:05
satya164;(22:05
amjjawad#action satya164 will handle the NEWS Section of UG Artwork ONLY - he will share reports and news from UG Artwork and these to be published on our channels22:06
meetingologyACTION: satya164 will handle the NEWS Section of UG Artwork ONLY - he will share reports and news from UG Artwork and these to be published on our channels22:06
satya164Okay22:06
amjjawad#topic HR Sub-Team22:06
amjjawadthis is a very quick review and nothing more is required for now22:07
amjjawadjust to let you know, the Wiki Page for HR Sub-Team will be: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved22:07
amjjawadAs for who is going to lead that team, it is the UG Leaders Board for now22:07
amjjawadplease vote if you guys are okay with this?!22:07
aldomann+122:07
satya164+122:07
amjjawad+122:07
darkxst+122:09
amjjawad#agreed UG Leaders Board agreed to lead UG HR Sub-Team22:09
amjjawad#action UG Leaders Board lead UG HR Sub-Team22:10
meetingologyACTION: UG Leaders Board lead UG HR Sub-Team22:10
amjjawadthis means, we are all going to help each other to manage and do the task of UG HR ;)22:10
amjjawadHR Team: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team22:10
amjjawad#topic Website Talk22:10
amjjawadany progress in this regard?22:11
satya164Yay!22:11
amjjawadhahah22:11
aldomannyes!22:11
aldomannhttp://cl.ly/image/0i2u2A051m1b22:11
amjjawadokay, are you guys (artwork team) working on that alone?!22:11
aldomannthis is a quick mockup of the getting involved tab22:11
aldomanncommunity* tab22:11
aldomannwe are working alone on the design, Niels should do the programming (though satya can help, I think)22:12
satya164Yes. I can help with code22:12
amjjawadokay, is Niels still around?!22:13
satya164I've never worked with WordPress though22:13
amjjawadI haven't seen anything from him lately22:13
satya164But I'm a quick learner :)22:13
amjjawadsatya164, it is super easy but don't ask me about codes :P22:13
satya164Cool then :)22:13
aldomannhe's waiting to the final draft so that he can start coding22:13
amjjawadaldomann, I thought he will do/help with the draft?22:14
satya164I was also suggesting to have a Scrollback widget in the page22:14
aldomannSatyajit came with the idea of implementing a Scrollback IRC widget in the Comunity tab22:14
amjjawadokay, here is two things I do need in this regard if I may to ask :P22:15
satya164Yup?22:15
amjjawad(1) I/We don't need a heavy website - let's have some mercy with people of slow connections22:15
aldomannammjawad, he can help once we have the "final" desgin; i.e., what we shall include in the page22:15
amjjawad(2) I'd suggest to have at least 3 suggestions/designs so we could choose from22:16
aldomannit can be minimized, so not big deal I suppose22:16
satya164amjjawad we could make the widget load on demand. and the widget uses appcache, so will load very quick after first load22:16
amjjawadand, I do have a Q .. should we ask the users for their opinions? or only us the Shinobi board? or should we simply just ask over the mailing list and whoever is active will share his/her opinion?22:17
aldomannthe structure and design is not a priority right now, what is important is the content: http://cl.ly/image/123o3D2D2A4022:17
satya164Yeah, design will get better as we start working on it22:17
aldomannin this quick overview we can see that the website in going to consist basically in the main site (the mockup we showed last week), the blog, the community and download pages and links to FAQ and Wiki22:18
satya164But we first need the content to start working22:18
aldomanndo you agree with that? It's super simple and we can maintain that amount of work easily22:18
amjjawad#action amjjawad to review the current website - http://ubuntugnome.org/ - and check the needed tabs for the new design22:19
meetingologyACTION: amjjawad to review the current website - http://ubuntugnome.org/ - and check the needed tabs for the new design22:19
satya164Also, consistency in important22:19
amjjawadaldomann, I'll get back to you guys very soon about it22:19
satya164is *22:19
amjjawadbecause some tabs are missing22:19
amjjawadfor example: are we going to add 'Screenshots' tab?22:19
amjjawadand where is the contact us tab?22:20
aldomannI think we should have a few in the homepage22:20
darkxstamjjawad, that would be the "feature tour"?22:20
aldomanntomorrow I'll work on that22:20
amjjawadWiki and FAQ shouldn't be two tabs IMHO, I'd highly suggest merging these two22:20
satya164I think instead of a screenshots tab, having the screenshots in the features section of the wiki will be better22:20
amjjawaddarkxst, right ... so instead of 'Screenshot' tab, we need one called 'Feature Tour'22:20
aldomanndarkxst, yeah, I think we can do a simple feature tour in the homepage22:21
satya164Screenshots don't mean much without any description22:21
aldomannammjawad, either that or implement it in the home page22:21
amjjawadwait, are we going to do the feature tour as a tab? or as a button on the home page?22:21
satya164As a button will be better I guess22:21
aldomannI'd prefer that to be in the home page. The first impression is very important to gain people's attention22:22
ahoneybunI agree with aldomann on that22:22
satya164BTW amjjawad are you sure you want to merge wiki and FAQ links? Coz looking for FAQ will be difficult then22:23
satya164Yeah. We should have few screenshots on the home page22:23
aldomannsatya164 it wouln't hurt to have both as links in the navigation header22:24
amjjawadsatya164, that would be called Documentation22:24
amjjawadFAQ is part of the Doc22:24
amjjawadsame goes for Wiki22:24
amjjawadso the general name is Doc22:24
satya164Yeah. I agree @aldoman22:24
amjjawaddo we all agree for that so we move forward?22:24
amjjawadlet's vote please - Wiki and FAQ to be under a tab called Documentation and instead that tag, we list the FAQs and Links to our Wiki22:25
satya164amjjawad yeah, but for a new user, it'll be difficult to get to the FAQ if there is no direct link22:25
aldomannyeah, so amjjawad please review the current website so we can plan the navigation for the new one22:25
aldomannlet's not forget the footer22:26
aldomannwe can have more specific stuff there22:26
amjjawad#action amjjawad to review the FAQ and Wiki tabs and discuss with UG Wiki Team22:26
meetingologyACTION: amjjawad to review the FAQ and Wiki tabs and discuss with UG Wiki Team22:26
amjjawadokay, I added that to the actions point22:26
amjjawadnow, let's vote for the feature tour22:26
aldomannnice22:26
satya164Yes.22:27
amjjawaddo we all agree that it is better to add the feature tour as a button on the home page?!22:27
amjjawad+1 from me22:27
satya164+122:27
aldomannI vote yes. One of the fisrt things I look for in a software project website is visual stuff22:27
aldomannI want to know how it looks22:27
darkxst+122:27
aldomann+122:27
satya164We could have a nice video too, if someone is great at it22:28
amjjawad#agreed it is better to add the feature tour as a button on the home page if UG website22:28
amjjawad#action Artwork Team to add 'Feature Tour' as a button on the Home Page of UG new website design22:28
meetingologyACTION: Artwork Team to add 'Feature Tour' as a button on the Home Page of UG new website design22:28
amjjawadsatya164, what kind of video?22:29
satya164Showcasing cool features of GNOME22:29
amjjawadso something to show-off from inside the system, right?22:29
satya164Yup22:30
aldomannthat'd be nice if it's possible22:30
amjjawadjust like the reviews many guys are doing on YouTube?22:30
amjjawaddoes it require someone to 'talk' or just the mouse moving around?22:30
satya164Yup, mostly, minus that bad things ;)22:31
satya164I would prefer no talk22:31
aldomannyeah, some nice music would do the work22:32
amjjawadI think we need to ask on the mailing list + social media if someone could do this for us22:32
satya164Yup22:32
amjjawadI'd do it myself but no time22:32
satya164Yeah. I'll ask Alex Diavatis22:32
aldomannthe guy I had in mind :D22:32
amjjawadI have someone on G+ who is good with reviews22:33
satya164;)22:33
satya164Great ;)22:33
ahoneybunthis is a nice design http://antergos.com/22:33
aldomannahoneybun, indeed22:34
aldomannthat footer is very nice22:34
amjjawadare we talking about: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/108356762331170101188/109985938918914471787/posts22:34
satya164It is22:34
amjjawadHehehe22:34
amjjawadI know him, I mean we had a quick chat and he is more than happy to help us as he said22:35
amjjawadI even asked him to join us22:35
amjjawadhe said I'll check the link of getting involved and get back to you IIRC22:35
aldomanncool22:35
satya164Cool22:35
amjjawad#action check with Alex Reissig if he could help us with UG Review to be added to the feature tour or UG home page for the new site - amjjawad aldomann satya16422:36
meetingologyACTION: check with Alex Reissig if he could help us with UG Review to be added to the feature tour or UG home page for the new site - amjjawad aldomann satya16422:36
amjjawadokay, anything else regarding the website?!22:36
aldomannnope, I think that's it22:37
amjjawadokay :)22:37
amjjawad#topic Packaging/Dev News22:37
amjjawaddarkxst, can you please suggest someone who could help?22:37
amjjawadI've been asking for this since last cycle but I know we got too busy to think of someone ...22:38
amjjawadI/We need someone who could talk to the outside world.22:38
amjjawadI'm way too far to know anything about coding and despite that, I have to deal with tons of people asking about these stuff22:38
darkxstamjjawad, not too sure who could help with that22:39
amjjawadIf we could have someone who could tell the world what UG is doing when it comes to codes, that would be super great and might attract more people to join :)22:39
amjjawaddarkxst, I don't know either :(22:39
aldomannI think we could ask for people for the news in Google+22:39
amjjawadaldomann, how?22:39
satya164Yes.22:39
amjjawadI'm talking about UG Packaging and Development22:40
aldomann"Do you wanna write stuff? Apply here" or something22:40
amjjawadif it is not for someone who is directly involved, not even myself know what is going on22:40
satya164Yeah, we can ask developers to join us22:40
amjjawadaldomann, I'm talking now about news from development team only ;)22:40
aldomannmaybe there's someone who hasn't got involved in packaging but might want to help just observing what the guys do and report in for the blog22:41
amjjawadokay, how could we do that and we don't even know what is going on? :(22:41
satya164From changelogs?22:41
amjjawadaldomann, I had that in mind but if that someone will start asking Qs instead of just 'watch' and 'write', he/she will slow things down and add a burden on the shoulders of our devs22:41
amjjawadour devs should have peace of mind to work better :D22:42
darkxstamjjawad, if its for users, then it doesn't need to go to deep22:42
amjjawadthat is why we're taking care of them :D treat them as kings :P22:42
darkxstfor example things like gnome-shell 3.12 landed22:42
aldomannyeah, you are right, that might work for other subteams... but for the dev team it shall be someone from the team itself22:42
amjjawaddarkxst, okay, if you think anyone could do that, then it is okay but that someone has to know what is really going on22:42
amjjawadaldomann, +122:43
amjjawadthis is what I'm trying to say22:43
amjjawadso he will write correct info22:43
satya164Yeah. True.22:43
amjjawadas for 3.12 is landing, I think everyone knows that22:43
amjjawadwe need really more details22:43
amjjawadwhatever else is involved22:43
satya164We could get some developers join the team though22:43
amjjawadwhat we need here is: someone with Doc + a bit of Dev Skills22:43
satya164Who could both involve in the process and communicate22:44
amjjawadsatya164, to attract devs to join, you need to show-off your work ;)22:44
amjjawadI have no idea who could help with this22:44
aldomannI hadn't thought it in that way... it's a good idea amjjawad22:44
amjjawadbut we really need to do that IMHO22:44
satya164The never ending chicken egg cycle22:44
amjjawadsatya164, it is a loop indeed but I will never give up :P this is my Ninja way as Naruto says :P22:45
amjjawadI hope we could find that guy22:45
amjjawadI think we are all agreeing on that?22:45
aldomann_!22:46
satya164We will ;)22:46
aldomann+122:46
amjjawadif yes, I will add that to the action points22:46
satya164+122:46
amjjawad#action UG Team needs someone who has a bit of Dev Skills + Doc/Writing Skills to communicate to the outside world about what is going on with UG when it comes to codes and dev work. This should attract more people to join us, specially devs22:47
meetingologyACTION: UG Team needs someone who has a bit of Dev Skills + Doc/Writing Skills to communicate to the outside world about what is going on with UG when it comes to codes and dev work. This should attract more people to join us, specially devs22:47
amjjawad#topic other talk22:47
amjjawadanything else you guys wish to add?!22:47
satya164Do we want more GTK themes in the default install?22:48
amjjawadsatya164, I'd really wish that22:48
amjjawadI wish we focus on the look and feel for this cycle22:48
amjjawadbut that's me22:48
satya164We could add Numix22:48
satya164Since the Xubuntu guys already package it22:48
aldomannand moka22:49
satya164We won't have to worry about packaging22:49
amjjawadthe more beautiful themes, the better22:49
aldomannthose two projects are probably the most active and used right now22:49
amjjawadnot sure if we could add Box from Lubuntu?!22:49
amjjawadnot that Lubuntu is heading to Qt more than GTK AFAIK22:49
satya164I don't like box much22:49
amjjawadnow*22:49
amjjawadit is just another theme22:49
aldomannthe question, is how? do we need to package them or we could have links to their official PPAs?22:50
amjjawadI'd be very interested if we could have more than one option by default22:50
satya164Talking about icon themes, elementary Xfce will be a nice one22:50
satya164It already had great GNOME support22:50
satya164has*22:50
darkxstany themes we include on the ISO must be packaged in the main archives22:50
aldomannthat's very important, full GNOME apps support22:50
darkxstwe can't include PPA's on the ISO22:51
amjjawadand http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Faenza?content=12814322:51
aldomannMoka and Numix (and elementary Xfce) have ful support22:51
aldomannfaenza is dead22:51
satya164Faenza is unmaintained since long22:51
aldomannMathhieu is working for offical Ubuntu stuff for Canonical22:51
amjjawadoh really?22:51
aldomannsadly22:51
amjjawad:(22:52
satya164You rely didn't know?22:52
satya164Really *22:52
amjjawadYou'll laugh satya164 but I'm the type of guy who barely change this wallpaper :P22:52
amjjawadI have no time to play with themes, etc22:52
satya164:)22:52
amjjawadI wish I have time22:52
aldomannneither do I :p, I rarely change that stuff22:52
amjjawadyeah22:53
aldomannI had Faenza for a couple of years22:53
amjjawadI'm old school I guess hehe22:53
aldomannand now I'm sticking with Numix/Moka22:53
satya164Yeah, I know a lot of who don't change anything beyond wallpapers22:53
amjjawadokay, if we could add some nice stuff to the default build, that would be super great and this is what I added to the roadmap of artwork team anyway :P hehe22:53
satya164And including a few by default can change that22:53
satya164If we add Numix GTK, I'll talk to Xubuntu guys to split their palace22:54
satya164Package*22:54
amjjawadsatya164, indeed22:54
aldomannthat's a brilliant plan, we still keep a pure GNOME feel but give the users more options22:55
amjjawadI'd change my theme if I have some by default that would save my time22:55
amjjawadsatya164, and aldomann I actually need a brainstorming session with both of ya :D22:55
aldomannno problem, brother22:55
amjjawadI need to brainwash you first and then discuss some stuff 100% related to Artwork22:55
satya164;)22:55
amjjawadhahah22:55
amjjawadso, let me know when please22:55
aldomannany day this week22:56
amjjawadthe sooner the batter so that darkxst won't mind and we can do the packaging stuff quickly22:56
satya164I'm OK with any day22:56
amjjawadI'm not sure, I think we need to carry on with on the mailing list of artwork22:56
satya164Will be available after 8 pm GMT + 5.3022:56
satya164Mailing list might be better22:57
amjjawad#action amjjawad and satya164 and aldomann and anyone who is interested to have a brainstorming session for UG Artwork for UU Cycle22:57
meetingologyACTION: amjjawad and satya164 and aldomann and anyone who is interested to have a brainstorming session for UG Artwork for UU Cycle22:57
aldomannwe can discuss that on the mailing list if you wish, amjjawad22:57
amjjawadsatya164, indeed22:57
amjjawadaldomann, on the mailing list, we can fix the time and date for the meeting22:57
amjjawadbut here is faster22:57
satya164So, we need to start the wallpaper contest22:57
amjjawadif we couldn't do it this week, then we can do it next Sun22:58
amjjawadokay, as for the wallpaper contest, do we need to find someone else who could take care of it? or you guys are fine?22:58
aldomannoh about that, I'm making a looong trip next weekend22:58
satya164I'm fine with it22:58
aldomannso i'll be gone sat, sun and probably monday22:58
amjjawadI'm asking for two reasons: you're working on the website + we might do some nice stuff for UG artwork so that will take more of your time already22:59
satya164Wouldn't need much work after setting up the flickr page22:59
amjjawadaldomann, no problem, thanks for telling us and that is why we have ATL now :P22:59
aldomannheh22:59
amjjawadsatya164, okay then22:59
amjjawadlet's start with it then22:59
satya164Some help will be nice22:59
amjjawadall agree?!22:59
aldomannthis week we could have all prepared for the wallpaper contest22:59
satya164But even if we don't get any, it's ok23:00
amjjawadyep23:00
amjjawadand let's learn from last cycle mistakes :D23:00
amjjawadwe accepted so many and you guys had hard time to select23:00
aldomannI beleive rhoconlinux offered his help a few months ago23:00
satya164So, here is the thing, only 1 wallpaper per use23:00
aldomannI can ask him to join us and help us23:00
satya164user*23:00
amjjawadaldomann, if he is around, why not?23:01
amjjawadaldomann, please do23:01
satya164Nice23:01
amjjawadsatya164, yep 1 per user23:01
amjjawador maybe 2 per user23:01
aldomannyeah, and we should simplify the rules23:01
amjjawadbut not 20 :P23:01
satya164Yup23:01
satya164Also using only flickr23:01
amjjawadok, so the last action item will be23:01
aldomannmake clear the licensing, sizes, amount of walls per user, etc23:01
aldomannall in a very simple way23:01
satya164Two different places are difficult to manage23:02
amjjawad#action aldomann and satya164 to prepare the Wallpaper Contest for UG UU Cycle23:02
meetingologyACTION: aldomann and satya164 to prepare the Wallpaper Contest for UG UU Cycle23:02
amjjawadanything else guys before I end the meeting? it is almost 2 hours :P23:02
satya164Yeah, we could write, by submitting the wallpaper to the pool, you are releasing it under creative Commons23:02
satya164Or something like that23:03
aldomannhell yes, we had a hard time contacting the guys to ask their permission to release the walls23:03
amjjawadokay, I guess that is all for this week meeting23:03
satya164Yeah. It's already late23:03
amjjawadthank you everyone23:03
amjjawadwas yet another nice meeting :D23:03
aldomannall right then23:04
amjjawadglad to do that weekly YAY23:04
amjjawadthanks for coming23:04
satya164Thanks. Bye all.23:04
amjjawad#endmeeting23:04
meetingologyMeeting ended Sun Jun 29 23:05:07 2014 UTC.23:04
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-06-29-21.16.moin.txt23:04
aldomannthanks everyone, good night23:04
amjjawadgood night everyone23:04
amjjawadthanks a lot23:04
satya164Goodnight23:04
amjjawadcya23:04
ahoneybundarkxst, what ppas should I add?23:41
darkxstahoneybun, for utopic its just gnome3-staging23:42
ahoneybunok23:42
ahoneybunupgrading now23:53

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