[05:54] <syntroPi> I am using Gnome 3.12 from the https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging ppa on trusty x64: where can i get a trustworthy x64 build of totem 3.12 aka gnome "videos" from?
[06:17] <syntroPi> Any ideas why it wont build?
[06:32] <darkxst> syntroPi, isnt it on the ppa?
[06:35] <darkxst> syntroPi, oh I remember it needs clutter update, so utopic only for now
[07:18] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I think gnome-themes-standard should be ok to merge
[07:22] <syntroPi> darkxst, do you think they will include all those packages "apt-cache rdepends libclutter-1.0-0" in the "http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu trusty main" PPA?
[07:22] <syntroPi> so they can upgrade that and include the totem in trusty ppa?
[07:23] <Noskcaj> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/gnome-themes-standard/merge
[07:24] <Noskcaj> done a while back
[07:24] <Noskcaj> it and libgweather haven't been reviewed
[07:26] <syntroPi> Cant wait for a full 3.12 its getting its awesomeness back finally :)
[07:43] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok, -desktop are holding that one at ransom ;(
[07:44] <darkxst> Noskcaj, and you should keep the Vcs-bzr as long as that is the case!
[07:45] <Noskcaj> i didn't? woops
[07:46] <darkxst> otherwise looks fine
[21:04] <amjjawad> knock knock
[21:04] <aldomann> *answers the door
[21:04] <amjjawad> aldomann, hey :D
[21:04] <amjjawad> happy birthday :D
[21:04] <aldomann> thanks brother
[21:05] <amjjawad> ops, I forgot your cake at the ref :P
[21:05] <aldomann> satyajit is not going to attend today
[21:05] <amjjawad> wait, let me bring it back hehe
[21:05] <aldomann> hehehe
[21:05] <amjjawad> yep, I expected that ... it is okay, hopefully we could find a way for the timing
[21:06] <aldomann> yep, I know the stuff he wants to discuss today :)
[21:06] <aldomann> so not a big deal
[21:06] <aldomann> (of the the them is the future timing, of course)
[21:07] <amjjawad> aldomann, that is the point of having a leaders board ;)
[21:07] <amjjawad> so that sub-teams could talk to each other and one or two people from each sub-team could attend the weekly meetings
[21:08] <amjjawad> it is great that me and you are close time wise to each others
[21:08] <amjjawad> but yeah, not for everyone
[21:08] <aldomann> yep, that's true and that was exactly what I was thinking today
[21:08] <amjjawad> hehe, great minds think alike :D
[21:09] <aldomann> :p
[21:09] <amjjawad> okay, it seems only the both of us?
[21:10] <amjjawad> it is the fasting season and I'm here ... and I thought I'm the lazy one :P
[21:10] <amjjawad> not sure if it is good idea to invite the users to these meetings?!
[21:10] <aldomann> mhh
[21:11] <aldomann> so, we eait for Tim to start, right?
[21:11] <amjjawad> yeah
[21:11] <amjjawad> 4 more mins
[21:11] <aldomann> ok
[21:11] <amjjawad> otherwise, I will start and he can catch up :P
[21:12] <aldomann> ok
[21:13] <amjjawad> so, did you like the 3 announcements?
[21:14] <amjjawad> as usual, no one replied yet ...
[21:14] <aldomann> all about the HR sub team and that?
[21:14] <amjjawad> about what we discussed the last meeting
[21:15] <amjjawad> 3 different new decisions
[21:15] <amjjawad> Okay, I will start and it seems this one will be a short meeting :(
[21:15] <aldomann> ok, cool
[21:15] <amjjawad> #chair amjjawad
[21:16] <amjjawad> #startmeeting [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #2
[21:16] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jun 29 21:16:58 2014 UTC.  The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:17] <amjjawad> #topic 1. Discuss and decide who will be Acting TL
[21:17] <amjjawad> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader
[21:17] <aldomann> hey, satyajit
[21:17] <amjjawad> Hello satya164 :)
[21:17] <satya164> hello
[21:18] <amjjawad> It is just the 3 of us and the meeting has just started :)
[21:18] <amjjawad> did you guys read about the link I just posted? the Acting TL blueprint? we discussed about that on last week meeting :)
[21:19] <satya164> good
[21:19] <satya164> yeah, I had a look
[21:19] <aldomann> yep
[21:19] <amjjawad> okay, since UG Artwork people are here :D have you decided who is going to be Mr. Acting? :P
[21:20] <aldomann> satya164 of course
[21:20] <satya164> nope :p
[21:20] <amjjawad> hahah why I'm not surprised :P
[21:21] <amjjawad> Okay, kidding a side, are you okay with that, satya164 ?
[21:21] <satya164> yeah, but I need to know my responsibilities first
[21:21] <amjjawad> satya164, sigh :( I thought you had a look at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader
[21:22] <amjjawad> you just need to have a quick look + being an Acting will qualify you to be part of UG Shinobi Team
[21:23] <amjjawad> which is the UG Leaders Board :)
[21:23] <satya164> had a look, but I forget a lot, and sleepy :)
[21:23] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-leaders-board/
[21:24] <amjjawad> Okay, satya164 please check it out when you're not sleepy and let me know ;)
[21:24] <amjjawad> or just communicate with aldomann and you guys let me know so we do the needful :)
[21:24] <amjjawad> for me, I already know who is going to be for UG Wiki and Doc Team
[21:24] <amjjawad> Ivan and James = both are amazing and great
[21:25] <satya164> yeah. I'll. right now I cannot and my internet kinda sucks
[21:25] <aldomann> my guess, those guys are amazing
[21:25] <amjjawad> Sadly, I don't have any other names for the rest of the sub-teams that I lead :(
[21:25] <amjjawad> aldomann, indeed they are
[21:25] <amjjawad> satya164, no worries
[21:25] <amjjawad> I feel really sad that other sub-teams are not working the way they should :(
[21:26] <aldomann> the Acting TL should have admin powers in the launchpad teams, right?
[21:26] <amjjawad> from a previous experience with other project, it is really BAD if you're part of a team and you don't talk ...
[21:26] <amjjawad> team = team work = people talk to each other
[21:26] <amjjawad> aldomann, more or less yes but it is not a must but a plus
[21:26] <amjjawad> I mean it is recommended but not really a must
[21:27] <aldomann> yes, exactly, I also had (and still have) with elementary localisation teams
[21:27] <satya164> I wish every one of us could have lots of time :(
[21:27] <amjjawad> James and Ivan have that for Wiki Team
[21:27] <aldomann> it really doesn't work if everyone is doing stuff without consulting eachother
[21:27] <satya164> yeah. true.
[21:27] <amjjawad> satya164, tell me about it but look at me? I have tons of stuff but yet, I do attend this meeting and push so hard on myself to do many things at once
[21:27] <amjjawad> it is all about commitment ...
[21:28] <satya164> yeah. that's true.
[21:28] <aldomann> yes, that's why we are a community :)
[21:28] <amjjawad> AMEN to that. I totally agree
[21:28] <satya164> I always wonder, how do you manage
[21:28] <aldomann> he has clones :p
[21:28] <amjjawad> That is why, for this cycle, I won't focus on the system side ... I will focus on the community side
[21:28] <satya164> I'm mostly tired after the day long work
[21:28] <satya164> lol
[21:29] <darkxst> morning
[21:29] <amjjawad> I put so much effort myself on the system side the last cycle even though I'm not a developer but myself and Tim were doing our best for the LTS and we all got it
[21:29] <amjjawad> oh, speaking of the Boss, he just came :D hehe
[21:29] <amjjawad> how are you, darkxst :D
[21:29] <amjjawad> why you appear offline?!
[21:29] <aldomann> morning darkxst
[21:30] <satya164> morning darkxst
[21:30] <amjjawad> so, satya164 should I confirm now about you being ATL for Artwork? or not yet?!
[21:31] <darkxst> amjjawad, I'm good
[21:32] <satya164> yeah. I'm fine with it. just need to have a thorough look at the page
[21:32] <amjjawad> darkxst, good to know that :D
[21:32] <amjjawad> satya164, okay then
[21:32] <amjjawad> anyone have anything against satya164 being ATL for Artwork?
[21:33] <aldomann> nop
[21:33] <amjjawad> +1 here I don't mind
[21:33] <amjjawad> darkxst, ?
[21:34] <darkxst> +1
[21:34] <amjjawad> good
[21:34] <amjjawad> #action satya164 will check https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader and confirm back to aldomann and amjjawad whether he is okay to be Acting TL for UG Artwork or not
[21:34] <meetingology> ACTION: satya164 will check https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader and confirm back to aldomann and amjjawad whether he is okay to be Acting TL for UG Artwork or not
[21:35] <amjjawad> #agreed UG Leaders board agreed that satya164 is nominated for Acting TL for Artwrok
[21:35] <amjjawad> okay, about UG Wiki ... anyone have anything against Ivan and James being Acting TL for Wiki? though they're not here and I need to speak with them about it
[21:36] <satya164> nope
[21:36] <aldomann> I'm cool with them being ATL
[21:36] <amjjawad> same here, I don't mind
[21:37] <darkxst> ok
[21:37] <amjjawad> #action Ivan and James are both nominated for Acting TL for UG Wiki and Doc Team and amjjawad needs to talk with them about that
[21:37] <meetingology> ACTION: Ivan and James are both nominated for Acting TL for UG Wiki and Doc Team and amjjawad needs to talk with them about that
[21:38] <amjjawad> #agreed UG Leaders Board agreed that both Ivan and James are good to go for Acting TL for UG Wiki and Doc Team
[21:38] <amjjawad> darkxst, any one you have in mind for the packaging team?
[21:38] <amjjawad> I'd assume Steve?
[21:39] <amjjawad> aldomann, how many people are you at Artwork now?!
[21:39] <darkxst> Steve hasnt been around much lately
[21:39] <darkxst> maybe Noskcaj
[21:39] <amjjawad> darkxst, oh :( :(
[21:39] <Noskcaj> o/
[21:39] <amjjawad> hahah you're here? why are you silent? Noskcaj
[21:39] <Noskcaj> amjjawad, Because i'm watching dota and working on xfce4-power-manager too
[21:39] <ahoneybun> o/
[21:40] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, are you following with what we are talking about?!
[21:40] <amjjawad> hello ahoneybun :)
[21:40] <Noskcaj> amjjawad, Just that i got a ping about the packaging team
[21:40] <ahoneybun> hey amjjawad
[21:40]  * ahoneybun is trying to get alpha 1 on a usb to install
[21:40] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, okay, whenever you're free, please read: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/acting-team-leader
[21:41] <amjjawad> #action Noskcaj will read the Acting TL blueprint and get back to amjjawad and darkxst whether he is okay with being Acting for the Packaging Team or not
[21:41] <meetingology> ACTION: Noskcaj will read the Acting TL blueprint and get back to amjjawad and darkxst whether he is okay with being Acting for the Packaging Team or not
[21:42] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, I put it as an action point so none of us will forget that ;)
[21:42] <Noskcaj> ty
[21:42] <amjjawad> and, since we're here, anyone has anything against Noskcaj being ATL?
[21:42] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, you welcome ;)
[21:43] <satya164> nope
[21:43] <amjjawad> I don't mind too
[21:43] <amjjawad> I know him even before I join UG Team
[21:43] <Noskcaj> I'm ok with being the ATL
[21:44] <amjjawad> hahah did you read it? :P
[21:44] <Noskcaj> I should probably use gnome some time though
[21:44] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, shhh, don't tell that on a public area :P
[21:44] <Noskcaj> :)
[21:44] <Noskcaj> i'll make a VM today
[21:44] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, good :)
[21:45] <aldomann> hehehe
[21:45] <amjjawad> so darkxst and aldomann ?
[21:45] <amjjawad> are you both okay with Noskcaj being ATL?
[21:45] <darkxst> yes
[21:45] <aldomann> yes
[21:46]  * ahoneybun is cheating as well
[21:46] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, a side from the blueprint, which should have all what you need to know, not sure if I have put that over there or not ... but if you be an ATL, you also be part of UG shinobi board
[21:46] <amjjawad> which means, you can vote ;)
[21:46] <amjjawad> so, just another task :D
[21:46] <Noskcaj> :)
[21:47] <amjjawad> #agreed UG Leaders Board agreed Noskcaj be ATL for UG Packaging Team
[21:47] <amjjawad> since ahoneybun is here, do you have any skills when it comes to other Sub-Teams a side from the Wiki?
[21:47] <amjjawad> like Social Media maybe?
[21:47] <amjjawad> or any other area?!
[21:48] <ahoneybun> amjjawad, I have helped darkxst with packaging but tbh he pretty much held my hand though it
[21:49] <amjjawad> as for me, I have serious problem when it comes to UG QA, Brainstorming and Marketing :(
[21:49] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, I'm not going to assign anything extra for you now because (ask me about it) if you burnout, you will never be helpful to yourself and so to anyone else
[21:50] <amjjawad> that said, I won't add anything over your shoulder yet
[21:50] <ahoneybun> amjjawad, relating to brainstorming I always loved the start screen they have in Linux Mint
[21:50] <amjjawad> but maybe with the next cycle if you stick around, you might get some tasks
[21:50] <ahoneybun> amjjawad, tbh I feel like there is more I could do, or should do
[21:51] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, the brainstorming area is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Brainstorming
[21:51] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, we need active people :)
[21:51] <amjjawad> leave the leading part to us :D and you guys could handle the rest ;)
[21:51] <amjjawad> we really need active people more than we do need leaders
[21:51] <ahoneybun> amjjawad, not really leading type
[21:52] <amjjawad> no problem
[21:52] <ahoneybun> darkxst, would I install the alpha 1 to package with?
[21:52] <amjjawad> before we go to the next topic, I want you all to tell me what should I do for the other Sub-Team?
[21:52] <amjjawad> a re-stricture?
[21:52] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, let's talk about that Q after the meeting, please :)
[21:53] <darkxst> ahoneybun, yes
[21:53] <ahoneybun> ok sorry
[21:53] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, no problem :)
[21:53] <amjjawad> so, any idea guys?!
[21:53] <ahoneybun> what teams are left amjjawad ?
[21:53] <amjjawad> UG Brainstorming = 100% idle
[21:53] <amjjawad> UG Marketing = 98% idle
[21:54] <satya> How many active members are in those teams?
[21:54] <ahoneybun> amjjawad, tbh I forum is always good for Brainstorming
[21:54] <amjjawad> UG QA = 50% and they just don't communicate
[21:54] <amjjawad> Brain and Marketing = me :(
[21:55] <satya> ;(
[21:55] <amjjawad> and there is 1-2 people helping every now and then with social media stuff but not really what I need
[21:55] <ahoneybun> amjjawad, I could help with SM
[21:55] <satya> I could help with sm
[21:55] <ahoneybun> *SM
[21:56] <amjjawad> Brainstorming could be of a great help but looking at the current status of our community, I'd say it is helpless for this cycle but could be helpful the next one
[21:56] <amjjawad> as for QA and Marketing, we DO NEED these to be super active
[21:57] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, and satya what you guys could really do is ... writing news of what our team is doing
[21:57] <amjjawad> for the social media, I'm 90% fine to handle that alone
[21:57] <amjjawad> but when it comes to writing news of what we're doing, I'm very very very short in time and efforts
[21:58] <satya> Good. I can do that too.
[21:58] <ahoneybun> amjjawad, so reports of meetings and so on
[21:58] <aldomann> Nice :)
[21:58] <amjjawad> okay, so to make life easier for both of us ... satya can write about news from Artwork team ONLY for now
[21:59] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, no, not reports of the meeting, this is what I usually take care of. I do need news about our team and what we usually do and such news go to the public around the world
[21:59] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, have you seen the 3 posts I have published on our website 2 days ago?
[22:00] <darkxst> ahoneybun, want to take care of release notes for future milestone releases? alpha-1 went out without any!
[22:00] <amjjawad> that would be super great darkxst
[22:00] <ahoneybun> darkxst, sure
[22:00] <amjjawad> specially when I'm not around
[22:01] <amjjawad> myself and ahoneybun could work on that
[22:01] <aldomann> so, you take care of the news and release notes, ahoneybun?
[22:01] <amjjawad> I'd suggest to go for the release notes
[22:01] <amjjawad> that would make the burden much less on me
[22:02]  * ahoneybun feels silly for not getting the concept of the "news"
[22:02] <ahoneybun> but release notes sure
[22:02] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, forget the news part
[22:02] <ahoneybun> ok amjjawad
[22:02] <amjjawad> so, everyone ... are you okay with this? please vote quickly :)
[22:02] <satya164> +1
[22:03] <darkxst> +1
[22:03] <amjjawad> +1
[22:03] <aldomann> absolutely
[22:03] <amjjawad> perfect
[22:03] <amjjawad> #action ahoneybun will work with amjjawad on the release notes for UG milestones and will handle that in case amjjawad will be away or busy
[22:03] <meetingology> ACTION: ahoneybun will work with amjjawad on the release notes for UG milestones and will handle that in case amjjawad will be away or busy
[22:04] <amjjawad> #agreed UG Leaders Board agreed that ahoneybun to help amjjawad and handle the Release Notes for UG milestones
[22:04] <amjjawad> okay, phew :D thanks!
[22:04]  * ahoneybun looks at ReleaseSchedule
[22:04] <amjjawad> For the other team, let's worry about that later ... I guess 10 apples at one hand is just too much at the moment
[22:04] <amjjawad> let's talk about that later
[22:05] <satya164> So, wallpaper contest?
[22:05] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to discuss the activities of UG QA + UG Marketing + UG Brainstorming at next week meeting.
[22:05] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to discuss the activities of UG QA + UG Marketing + UG Brainstorming at next week meeting.
[22:05] <amjjawad> satya164, not yet ;)
[22:05] <satya164> ;(
[22:06] <amjjawad> #action satya164 will handle the NEWS Section of UG Artwork ONLY - he will share reports and news from UG Artwork and these to be published on our channels
[22:06] <meetingology> ACTION: satya164 will handle the NEWS Section of UG Artwork ONLY - he will share reports and news from UG Artwork and these to be published on our channels
[22:06] <satya164> Okay
[22:06] <amjjawad> #topic HR Sub-Team
[22:07] <amjjawad> this is a very quick review and nothing more is required for now
[22:07] <amjjawad> just to let you know, the Wiki Page for HR Sub-Team will be: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved
[22:07] <amjjawad> As for who is going to lead that team, it is the UG Leaders Board for now
[22:07] <amjjawad> please vote if you guys are okay with this?!
[22:07] <aldomann> +1
[22:07] <satya164> +1
[22:07] <amjjawad> +1
[22:09] <darkxst> +1
[22:09] <amjjawad> #agreed UG Leaders Board agreed to lead UG HR Sub-Team
[22:10] <amjjawad> #action UG Leaders Board lead UG HR Sub-Team
[22:10] <meetingology> ACTION: UG Leaders Board lead UG HR Sub-Team
[22:10] <amjjawad> this means, we are all going to help each other to manage and do the task of UG HR ;)
[22:10] <amjjawad> HR Team: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team
[22:10] <amjjawad> #topic Website Talk
[22:11] <amjjawad> any progress in this regard?
[22:11] <satya164> Yay!
[22:11] <amjjawad> hahah
[22:11] <aldomann> yes!
[22:11] <aldomann> http://cl.ly/image/0i2u2A051m1b
[22:11] <amjjawad> okay, are you guys (artwork team) working on that alone?!
[22:11] <aldomann> this is a quick mockup of the getting involved tab
[22:11] <aldomann> community* tab
[22:12] <aldomann> we are working alone on the design, Niels should do the programming (though satya can help, I think)
[22:12] <satya164> Yes. I can help with code
[22:13] <amjjawad> okay, is Niels still around?!
[22:13] <satya164> I've never worked with WordPress though
[22:13] <amjjawad> I haven't seen anything from him lately
[22:13] <satya164> But I'm a quick learner :)
[22:13] <amjjawad> satya164, it is super easy but don't ask me about codes :P
[22:13] <satya164> Cool then :)
[22:13] <aldomann> he's waiting to the final draft so that he can start coding
[22:14] <amjjawad> aldomann, I thought he will do/help with the draft?
[22:14] <satya164> I was also suggesting to have a Scrollback widget in the page
[22:14] <aldomann> Satyajit came with the idea of implementing a Scrollback IRC widget in the Comunity tab
[22:15] <amjjawad> okay, here is two things I do need in this regard if I may to ask :P
[22:15] <satya164> Yup?
[22:15] <amjjawad> (1) I/We don't need a heavy website - let's have some mercy with people of slow connections
[22:15] <aldomann> ammjawad, he can help once we have the "final" desgin; i.e., what we shall include in the page
[22:16] <amjjawad> (2) I'd suggest to have at least 3 suggestions/designs so we could choose from
[22:16] <aldomann> it can be minimized, so not big deal I suppose
[22:16] <satya164> amjjawad we could make the widget load on demand. and the widget uses appcache, so will load very quick after first load
[22:17] <amjjawad> and, I do have a Q .. should we ask the users for their opinions? or only us the Shinobi board? or should we simply just ask over the mailing list and whoever is active will share his/her opinion?
[22:17] <aldomann> the structure and design is not a priority right now, what is important is the content: http://cl.ly/image/123o3D2D2A40
[22:17] <satya164> Yeah, design will get better as we start working on it
[22:18] <aldomann> in this quick overview we can see that the website in going to consist basically in the main site (the mockup we showed last week), the blog, the community and download pages and links to FAQ and Wiki
[22:18] <satya164> But we first need the content to start working
[22:18] <aldomann> do you agree with that? It's super simple and we can maintain that amount of work easily
[22:19] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to review the current website - http://ubuntugnome.org/ - and check the needed tabs for the new design
[22:19] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to review the current website - http://ubuntugnome.org/ - and check the needed tabs for the new design
[22:19] <satya164> Also, consistency in important
[22:19] <amjjawad> aldomann, I'll get back to you guys very soon about it
[22:19] <satya164> is *
[22:19] <amjjawad> because some tabs are missing
[22:19] <amjjawad> for example: are we going to add 'Screenshots' tab?
[22:20] <amjjawad> and where is the contact us tab?
[22:20] <aldomann> I think we should have a few in the homepage
[22:20] <darkxst> amjjawad, that would be the "feature tour"?
[22:20] <aldomann> tomorrow I'll work on that
[22:20] <amjjawad> Wiki and FAQ shouldn't be two tabs IMHO, I'd highly suggest merging these two
[22:20] <satya164> I think instead of a screenshots tab, having the screenshots in the features section of the wiki will be better
[22:20] <amjjawad> darkxst, right ... so instead of 'Screenshot' tab, we need one called 'Feature Tour'
[22:21] <aldomann> darkxst, yeah, I think we can do a simple feature tour in the homepage
[22:21] <satya164> Screenshots don't mean much without any description
[22:21] <aldomann> ammjawad, either that or implement it in the home page
[22:21] <amjjawad> wait, are we going to do the feature tour as a tab? or as a button on the home page?
[22:21] <satya164> As a button will be better I guess
[22:22] <aldomann> I'd prefer that to be in the home page. The first impression is very important to gain people's attention
[22:22] <ahoneybun> I agree with aldomann on that
[22:23] <satya164> BTW amjjawad are you sure you want to merge wiki and FAQ links? Coz looking for FAQ will be difficult then
[22:23] <satya164> Yeah. We should have few screenshots on the home page
[22:24] <aldomann> satya164 it wouln't hurt to have both as links in the navigation header
[22:24] <amjjawad> satya164, that would be called Documentation
[22:24] <amjjawad> FAQ is part of the Doc
[22:24] <amjjawad> same goes for Wiki
[22:24] <amjjawad> so the general name is Doc
[22:24] <satya164> Yeah. I agree @aldoman
[22:24] <amjjawad> do we all agree for that so we move forward?
[22:25] <amjjawad> let's vote please - Wiki and FAQ to be under a tab called Documentation and instead that tag, we list the FAQs and Links to our Wiki
[22:25] <satya164> amjjawad yeah, but for a new user, it'll be difficult to get to the FAQ if there is no direct link
[22:25] <aldomann> yeah, so amjjawad please review the current website so we can plan the navigation for the new one
[22:26] <aldomann> let's not forget the footer
[22:26] <aldomann> we can have more specific stuff there
[22:26] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to review the FAQ and Wiki tabs and discuss with UG Wiki Team
[22:26] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to review the FAQ and Wiki tabs and discuss with UG Wiki Team
[22:26] <amjjawad> okay, I added that to the actions point
[22:26] <amjjawad> now, let's vote for the feature tour
[22:26] <aldomann> nice
[22:27] <satya164> Yes.
[22:27] <amjjawad> do we all agree that it is better to add the feature tour as a button on the home page?!
[22:27] <amjjawad> +1 from me
[22:27] <satya164> +1
[22:27] <aldomann> I vote yes. One of the fisrt things I look for in a software project website is visual stuff
[22:27] <aldomann> I want to know how it looks
[22:27] <darkxst> +1
[22:27] <aldomann> +1
[22:28] <satya164> We could have a nice video too, if someone is great at it
[22:28] <amjjawad> #agreed it is better to add the feature tour as a button on the home page if UG website
[22:28] <amjjawad> #action Artwork Team to add 'Feature Tour' as a button on the Home Page of UG new website design
[22:28] <meetingology> ACTION: Artwork Team to add 'Feature Tour' as a button on the Home Page of UG new website design
[22:29] <amjjawad> satya164, what kind of video?
[22:29] <satya164> Showcasing cool features of GNOME
[22:29] <amjjawad> so something to show-off from inside the system, right?
[22:30] <satya164> Yup
[22:30] <aldomann> that'd be nice if it's possible
[22:30] <amjjawad> just like the reviews many guys are doing on YouTube?
[22:30] <amjjawad> does it require someone to 'talk' or just the mouse moving around?
[22:31] <satya164> Yup, mostly, minus that bad things ;)
[22:31] <satya164> I would prefer no talk
[22:32] <aldomann> yeah, some nice music would do the work
[22:32] <amjjawad> I think we need to ask on the mailing list + social media if someone could do this for us
[22:32] <satya164> Yup
[22:32] <amjjawad> I'd do it myself but no time
[22:32] <satya164> Yeah. I'll ask Alex Diavatis
[22:32] <aldomann> the guy I had in mind :D
[22:33] <amjjawad> I have someone on G+ who is good with reviews
[22:33] <satya164> ;)
[22:33] <satya164> Great ;)
[22:33] <ahoneybun> this is a nice design http://antergos.com/
[22:34] <aldomann> ahoneybun, indeed
[22:34] <aldomann> that footer is very nice
[22:34] <amjjawad> are we talking about: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/108356762331170101188/109985938918914471787/posts
[22:34] <satya164> It is
[22:34] <amjjawad> Hehehe
[22:35] <amjjawad> I know him, I mean we had a quick chat and he is more than happy to help us as he said
[22:35] <amjjawad> I even asked him to join us
[22:35] <amjjawad> he said I'll check the link of getting involved and get back to you IIRC
[22:35] <aldomann> cool
[22:35] <satya164> Cool
[22:36] <amjjawad> #action check with Alex Reissig if he could help us with UG Review to be added to the feature tour or UG home page for the new site - amjjawad aldomann satya164
[22:36] <meetingology> ACTION: check with Alex Reissig if he could help us with UG Review to be added to the feature tour or UG home page for the new site - amjjawad aldomann satya164
[22:36] <amjjawad> okay, anything else regarding the website?!
[22:37] <aldomann> nope, I think that's it
[22:37] <amjjawad> okay :)
[22:37] <amjjawad> #topic Packaging/Dev News
[22:37] <amjjawad> darkxst, can you please suggest someone who could help?
[22:38] <amjjawad> I've been asking for this since last cycle but I know we got too busy to think of someone ...
[22:38] <amjjawad> I/We need someone who could talk to the outside world.
[22:38] <amjjawad> I'm way too far to know anything about coding and despite that, I have to deal with tons of people asking about these stuff
[22:39] <darkxst> amjjawad, not too sure who could help with that
[22:39] <amjjawad> If we could have someone who could tell the world what UG is doing when it comes to codes, that would be super great and might attract more people to join :)
[22:39] <amjjawad> darkxst, I don't know either :(
[22:39] <aldomann> I think we could ask for people for the news in Google+
[22:39] <amjjawad> aldomann, how?
[22:39] <satya164> Yes.
[22:40] <amjjawad> I'm talking about UG Packaging and Development
[22:40] <aldomann> "Do you wanna write stuff? Apply here" or something
[22:40] <amjjawad> if it is not for someone who is directly involved, not even myself know what is going on
[22:40] <satya164> Yeah, we can ask developers to join us
[22:40] <amjjawad> aldomann, I'm talking now about news from development team only ;)
[22:41] <aldomann> maybe there's someone who hasn't got involved in packaging but might want to help just observing what the guys do and report in for the blog
[22:41] <amjjawad> okay, how could we do that and we don't even know what is going on? :(
[22:41] <satya164> From changelogs?
[22:41] <amjjawad> aldomann, I had that in mind but if that someone will start asking Qs instead of just 'watch' and 'write', he/she will slow things down and add a burden on the shoulders of our devs
[22:42] <amjjawad> our devs should have peace of mind to work better :D
[22:42] <darkxst> amjjawad, if its for users, then it doesn't need to go to deep
[22:42] <amjjawad> that is why we're taking care of them :D treat them as kings :P
[22:42] <darkxst> for example things like gnome-shell 3.12 landed
[22:42] <aldomann> yeah, you are right, that might work for other subteams... but for the dev team it shall be someone from the team itself
[22:42] <amjjawad> darkxst, okay, if you think anyone could do that, then it is okay but that someone has to know what is really going on
[22:43] <amjjawad> aldomann, +1
[22:43] <amjjawad> this is what I'm trying to say
[22:43] <amjjawad> so he will write correct info
[22:43] <satya164> Yeah. True.
[22:43] <amjjawad> as for 3.12 is landing, I think everyone knows that
[22:43] <amjjawad> we need really more details
[22:43] <amjjawad> whatever else is involved
[22:43] <satya164> We could get some developers join the team though
[22:43] <amjjawad> what we need here is: someone with Doc + a bit of Dev Skills
[22:44] <satya164> Who could both involve in the process and communicate
[22:44] <amjjawad> satya164, to attract devs to join, you need to show-off your work ;)
[22:44] <amjjawad> I have no idea who could help with this
[22:44] <aldomann> I hadn't thought it in that way... it's a good idea amjjawad
[22:44] <amjjawad> but we really need to do that IMHO
[22:44] <satya164> The never ending chicken egg cycle
[22:45] <amjjawad> satya164, it is a loop indeed but I will never give up :P this is my Ninja way as Naruto says :P
[22:45] <amjjawad> I hope we could find that guy
[22:45] <amjjawad> I think we are all agreeing on that?
[22:46] <aldomann> _!
[22:46] <satya164> We will ;)
[22:46] <aldomann> +1
[22:46] <amjjawad> if yes, I will add that to the action points
[22:46] <satya164> +1
[22:47] <amjjawad> #action UG Team needs someone who has a bit of Dev Skills + Doc/Writing Skills to communicate to the outside world about what is going on with UG when it comes to codes and dev work. This should attract more people to join us, specially devs
[22:47] <meetingology> ACTION: UG Team needs someone who has a bit of Dev Skills + Doc/Writing Skills to communicate to the outside world about what is going on with UG when it comes to codes and dev work. This should attract more people to join us, specially devs
[22:47] <amjjawad> #topic other talk
[22:47] <amjjawad> anything else you guys wish to add?!
[22:48] <satya164> Do we want more GTK themes in the default install?
[22:48] <amjjawad> satya164, I'd really wish that
[22:48] <amjjawad> I wish we focus on the look and feel for this cycle
[22:48] <amjjawad> but that's me
[22:48] <satya164> We could add Numix
[22:48] <satya164> Since the Xubuntu guys already package it
[22:49] <aldomann> and moka
[22:49] <satya164> We won't have to worry about packaging
[22:49] <amjjawad> the more beautiful themes, the better
[22:49] <aldomann> those two projects are probably the most active and used right now
[22:49] <amjjawad> not sure if we could add Box from Lubuntu?!
[22:49] <amjjawad> not that Lubuntu is heading to Qt more than GTK AFAIK
[22:49] <satya164> I don't like box much
[22:49] <amjjawad> now*
[22:49] <amjjawad> it is just another theme
[22:50] <aldomann> the question, is how? do we need to package them or we could have links to their official PPAs?
[22:50] <amjjawad> I'd be very interested if we could have more than one option by default
[22:50] <satya164> Talking about icon themes, elementary Xfce will be a nice one
[22:50] <satya164> It already had great GNOME support
[22:50] <satya164> has*
[22:50] <darkxst> any themes we include on the ISO must be packaged in the main archives
[22:50] <aldomann> that's very important, full GNOME apps support
[22:51] <darkxst> we can't include PPA's on the ISO
[22:51] <amjjawad> and http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Faenza?content=128143
[22:51] <aldomann> Moka and Numix (and elementary Xfce) have ful support
[22:51] <aldomann> faenza is dead
[22:51] <satya164> Faenza is unmaintained since long
[22:51] <aldomann> Mathhieu is working for offical Ubuntu stuff for Canonical
[22:51] <amjjawad> oh really?
[22:51] <aldomann> sadly
[22:52] <amjjawad> :(
[22:52] <satya164> You rely didn't know?
[22:52] <satya164> Really *
[22:52] <amjjawad> You'll laugh satya164 but I'm the type of guy who barely change this wallpaper :P
[22:52] <amjjawad> I have no time to play with themes, etc
[22:52] <satya164> :)
[22:52] <amjjawad> I wish I have time
[22:52] <aldomann> neither do I :p, I rarely change that stuff
[22:53] <amjjawad> yeah
[22:53] <aldomann> I had Faenza for a couple of years
[22:53] <amjjawad> I'm old school I guess hehe
[22:53] <aldomann> and now I'm sticking with Numix/Moka
[22:53] <satya164> Yeah, I know a lot of who don't change anything beyond wallpapers
[22:53] <amjjawad> okay, if we could add some nice stuff to the default build, that would be super great and this is what I added to the roadmap of artwork team anyway :P hehe
[22:53] <satya164> And including a few by default can change that
[22:54] <satya164> If we add Numix GTK, I'll talk to Xubuntu guys to split their palace
[22:54] <satya164> Package*
[22:54] <amjjawad> satya164, indeed
[22:55] <aldomann> that's a brilliant plan, we still keep a pure GNOME feel but give the users more options
[22:55] <amjjawad> I'd change my theme if I have some by default that would save my time
[22:55] <amjjawad> satya164, and aldomann I actually need a brainstorming session with both of ya :D
[22:55] <aldomann> no problem, brother
[22:55] <amjjawad> I need to brainwash you first and then discuss some stuff 100% related to Artwork
[22:55] <satya164> ;)
[22:55] <amjjawad> hahah
[22:55] <amjjawad> so, let me know when please
[22:56] <aldomann> any day this week
[22:56] <amjjawad> the sooner the batter so that darkxst won't mind and we can do the packaging stuff quickly
[22:56] <satya164> I'm OK with any day
[22:56] <amjjawad> I'm not sure, I think we need to carry on with on the mailing list of artwork
[22:56] <satya164> Will be available after 8 pm GMT + 5.30
[22:57] <satya164> Mailing list might be better
[22:57] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad and satya164 and aldomann and anyone who is interested to have a brainstorming session for UG Artwork for UU Cycle
[22:57] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad and satya164 and aldomann and anyone who is interested to have a brainstorming session for UG Artwork for UU Cycle
[22:57] <aldomann> we can discuss that on the mailing list if you wish, amjjawad
[22:57] <amjjawad> satya164, indeed
[22:57] <amjjawad> aldomann, on the mailing list, we can fix the time and date for the meeting
[22:57] <amjjawad> but here is faster
[22:57] <satya164> So, we need to start the wallpaper contest
[22:58] <amjjawad> if we couldn't do it this week, then we can do it next Sun
[22:58] <amjjawad> okay, as for the wallpaper contest, do we need to find someone else who could take care of it? or you guys are fine?
[22:58] <aldomann> oh about that, I'm making a looong trip next weekend
[22:58] <satya164> I'm fine with it
[22:58] <aldomann> so i'll be gone sat, sun and probably monday
[22:59] <amjjawad> I'm asking for two reasons: you're working on the website + we might do some nice stuff for UG artwork so that will take more of your time already
[22:59] <satya164> Wouldn't need much work after setting up the flickr page
[22:59] <amjjawad> aldomann, no problem, thanks for telling us and that is why we have ATL now :P
[22:59] <aldomann> heh
[22:59] <amjjawad> satya164, okay then
[22:59] <amjjawad> let's start with it then
[22:59] <satya164> Some help will be nice
[22:59] <amjjawad> all agree?!
[22:59] <aldomann> this week we could have all prepared for the wallpaper contest
[23:00] <satya164> But even if we don't get any, it's ok
[23:00] <amjjawad> yep
[23:00] <amjjawad> and let's learn from last cycle mistakes :D
[23:00] <amjjawad> we accepted so many and you guys had hard time to select
[23:00] <aldomann> I beleive rhoconlinux offered his help a few months ago
[23:00] <satya164> So, here is the thing, only 1 wallpaper per use
[23:00] <aldomann> I can ask him to join us and help us
[23:00] <satya164> user*
[23:01] <amjjawad> aldomann, if he is around, why not?
[23:01] <amjjawad> aldomann, please do
[23:01] <satya164> Nice
[23:01] <amjjawad> satya164, yep 1 per user
[23:01] <amjjawad> or maybe 2 per user
[23:01] <aldomann> yeah, and we should simplify the rules
[23:01] <amjjawad> but not 20 :P
[23:01] <satya164> Yup
[23:01] <satya164> Also using only flickr
[23:01] <amjjawad> ok, so the last action item will be
[23:01] <aldomann> make clear the licensing, sizes, amount of walls per user, etc
[23:01] <aldomann> all in a very simple way
[23:02] <satya164> Two different places are difficult to manage
[23:02] <amjjawad> #action aldomann and satya164 to prepare the Wallpaper Contest for UG UU Cycle
[23:02] <meetingology> ACTION: aldomann and satya164 to prepare the Wallpaper Contest for UG UU Cycle
[23:02] <amjjawad> anything else guys before I end the meeting? it is almost 2 hours :P
[23:02] <satya164> Yeah, we could write, by submitting the wallpaper to the pool, you are releasing it under creative Commons
[23:03] <satya164> Or something like that
[23:03] <aldomann> hell yes, we had a hard time contacting the guys to ask their permission to release the walls
[23:03] <amjjawad> okay, I guess that is all for this week meeting
[23:03] <satya164> Yeah. It's already late
[23:03] <amjjawad> thank you everyone
[23:03] <amjjawad> was yet another nice meeting :D
[23:04] <aldomann> all right then
[23:04] <amjjawad> glad to do that weekly YAY
[23:04] <amjjawad> thanks for coming
[23:04] <satya164> Thanks. Bye all.
[23:04] <amjjawad> #endmeeting
[23:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jun 29 23:05:07 2014 UTC.
[23:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-06-29-21.16.moin.txt
[23:04] <aldomann> thanks everyone, good night
[23:04] <amjjawad> good night everyone
[23:04] <amjjawad> thanks a lot
[23:04] <satya164> Goodnight
[23:04] <amjjawad> cya
[23:41] <ahoneybun> darkxst, what ppas should I add?
[23:42] <darkxst> ahoneybun, for utopic its just gnome3-staging
[23:42] <ahoneybun> ok
[23:53] <ahoneybun> upgrading now