=== nottrobin_ is now known as nottrobin [10:42] urulama_: howdy [10:42] rick_h_: hi [10:43] urulama_: pm [10:52] welcome back luca! [11:48] hey rick_h_, hows it going? [11:48] luca: heh, I'll tell you in an hour? [11:48] rick_h_: lol sure [11:48] * rick_h_ goes for coffee and breakfast now that first meeting is done wheee [11:53] rick_h_: i just entered leave into hr system [12:00] rick_h_: one thing occurs to me: do we want clients of the store to be able to update individual files in charms/bundles? for, example, do we want them to be able to change a README independently of the rest of the files in a charm? [12:00] rogpeppe: no, I don't think so. [12:00] rick_h_: ok, that's cool [12:00] rogpeppe: if you wanted to do something like that it'd fall under resources. [12:01] a resource could be some single doc referenced, but a change to the base of a charm I think is a new charm version [12:01] bac: doh, I've got to catch up on that holiday update email. [12:01] bac: thanks, will approve here shortly. [12:03] rick_h_: can you give me the link to your work items doc? [12:07] luca: hmm, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/14XvT-6RjHKjUhGJLuwMC1y7JCkUeuUv-XxjYsPtWhng/edit ? [12:07] rick_h_: cheers [12:25] rick_h_: i got the jenkins details from mgz and now need to get an account and credentials from curtis [12:26] i think he starts a little later than us [12:26] bac: rgr [12:26] a morning person he is not :) [13:38] * rogpeppe lunches [13:57] jujugui make sure to welcome urulama and jrwren today. Will do face to face in the standup but if they hit you up with any questions/etc they're our new locals [13:58] welcome urulama and jrwren [13:58] Hi jrwren and urulama! [13:58] hi all [13:58] urulama, jrwren: yo! [14:00] ok. finished the traveling form. [14:00] so, hi all, glad to be part of juju :D [14:00] yo. [14:10] rick_h_ hey with the new EOY dates should we delete the old entries in hr and create new ones? [14:10] and g'morning :) [14:13] hatch: yea if you can try [14:14] ok here goes.... *puts on helmet* I'm going in [14:14] hatch: I found they didn't collide for me [14:14] oh ok, maybe it'll be ok here too [14:15] hatch: yea, for me I had to add one more day off from my holiday stash :( [14:16] yeah looks like I do too [14:17] hatch: cool, yea so no surgery required [14:35] jrwren: did you get the leankit invite? [14:35] jrwren: you and urulama up for meeting in the standup hangout 10min before the call to get a board overview? [14:36] rick_h_: fine by me [14:36] urulama: k, will ping in 15 and we'll meet early for a run down [14:37] i can hangout anytime, I guess. I'm still trying to figure out all this account info stuff. [14:37] i got distracted reading the wiki. does anyone use the voip stuff? [14:37] jrwren: cool, take your time and let me know if you hit anything that's not clicking [14:37] jrwren: most of us don't. The only main interaction is calling into the conf call system for large meetings [14:38] jrwren: honestly, we use hangouts almost for everything until we hit the 15person limit [14:38] that and irc [14:38] the, i'll low prioritize that. [14:38] *then [14:39] jrwren: if you can signup for leankit soonish that'd be great so I can get you access before the call [14:40] ok [14:42] hrm, google apps weirdness [14:42] yea, dualing accounts takes some getting used to [14:42] easy peasy!! [14:42] hah [14:42] hatch: are you supposed to be lake-fronting it today? [14:43] rick_h_ yeah but it's bloody pouring! [14:43] i did this 1mo ago when old job switched to google apps. was no problem with all chrome, but a little different because google is pointing to me LP account [14:43] hatch: poor guy [14:43] rick_h_ yeah tough life... [14:43] jrwren: yea, the 2fa fun [14:50] jujugui callin 10 [14:50] Buh. Coffee hasn't reached my fingers yet. [14:50] urulama: jrwren https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/daily-standup [14:50] or https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/daily-standup?authuser=1 if this is your second google account :) [14:52] Makyo: thanks for the stickers. the many, many stickers. :) [14:53] bac, Hah, glad they made it. Should keep you stocked up for a while. [14:53] Makyo: yes, now i can juju-power my fridge, microwave, water heater, ... [14:54] We already have internet-enabled fridges, it's only a matter of time. [14:55] juju add-unit fridge [14:56] er [14:56] juju add-unit -n100 fridge [14:56] web scale appliances [14:57] haha [14:58] AaaS - Appliances as a Service [14:58] jujugui call in 2 [15:00] Makyo: ^ [15:16] i should have said in standup, I have to run out for 30min, brb [15:18] jrwren: rgr [15:26] hey luca, how did the meeting go? [15:27] actually, I'll ask in PM :) [15:29] Makyo: it was inevitable: https://flic.kr/p/oa9D3B [15:30] Hahaha! Fantastic! [15:30] bac: awesome [15:30] * rick_h_ goes to find food before the next meeting [15:31] bac haha nicw [15:53] hatch: are there any major tripping points for the dispatched service/unit detail views, or is that going to feel a lot like dispatching the local charm stuff? [15:53] rick_h_: wanted to follow up more on your comments to Jeff and I about visual treatments/wireframes for deleting units and whatnot… [15:53] rick_h_: it's actually one of the last TODOs in my code :-) [15:54] kadams54: sure thing in the visuals for inspector v3 there's some stuff in the inspector where removed units are moved into a grouping and there's a 'are you sure' step for removing the service, the last image in the group on the right [15:55] jcsackett it will be pretty easy [15:55] kadams54: https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1cWQ4TmRmRXJBc0E [15:55] hatch: awesome. i'll start in on that then. [15:56] jcsackett the inspector dispatcher will need to instantiate the inspector with a 'select this unit' flag, then after it's instantiated it will need to open the dropdown, select the unit, etc etc [15:56] jcsackett so 'easy' but lots of work [15:56] rick_h_: OK, taking a look… [15:56] jcsackett but you won't have to reinvent the wheel like you did with the local inspector stuff [15:56] kadams54: sure thing, let me know if you want to walk through it [15:56] kadams54: but honestly, I think they'll be follow up cards [15:57] rick_h_: hah! yeah, that was going to be my next question. [15:57] kadams54: so be aware, but I'd move forward with the 'backendish' cards now and we'll clean up the UX as a follow up [15:57] rick_h_: Excellent, we're on the same page then. [15:57] * rick_h_ feels like a winner! [15:58] jcsackett I'll probably be still online, so ping me if you have any q's [15:59] hatch: will do. [16:30] guihelp: looking for a review and a tiny bit of QA on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/412 (The first build failure has already been fixed, so… fingers crossed.) [16:34] Heading out for dr. appt. [16:35] good luck kadams54 === urulama is now known as urulama-food === urulama-food is now known as urulama [18:07] hey is ci down? [18:08] hatch: seems so, /me looks [18:08] did MS decide to upgrade the instance? lol [18:09] hmm, our other one is down as well :/ [18:09] network issue? [18:09] posssssssssibly [18:09] * rick_h_ is checking dashboard [18:10] oh boy [18:10] jujugui all our azure vms are gone, working with our account holder to figure out what's happened [18:11] bac: can you please go to the dashboard and make sure we pull down our last backups of both? [18:11] uh oh [18:11] bac: and look at setting up a shared account info for bringing up a new CI under ec2 (ssh key, etc) and I'll setup some credentials in a few minutes [18:13] rick_h_: are you asking me to recreate our jenkins on ec2? [18:13] bac: to get ready to [18:13] bac: get the backups in place, generate a shared ssh key, whatever else we need to setup a shared env correctly [18:13] rt [18:14] bac: because if this doesn't move forward very fast with MS then we'll bring it up and recreate it [18:14] does it run on US West? [18:15] jrwren: was east I believe [18:15] but the mvs are just gone, the storage buckets are still there though [18:17] heh that's no good [18:17] anything I can help with? [18:18] hatch: no, not unless you know where azure would log "by the way all your machines belong to us" messages [18:18] :) [18:18] lol no sorry - is there an access log? Maybe one of us accidentally clicked 'delete all!!!!!!' [18:18] maybe I'm following the scavenger hunt incorrectly and I killed it :) [18:19] uh oh , the tweens woke up are taking selfies....my internet just slowed to a crawl [18:21] http://uploads.mitechie.com/lp/azure-ci.png :( [18:22] what the heck.... [18:25] rick_h_: i see we have backups as of 6/29 20:00Z (us) and 6/26 (blues) [18:25] :( [18:56] jujugui CI is down and out. We've identified the issue and bac is recreating the environment. [18:56] jujugui so all code landings will have to wait until it's back up. Sorry for the delay if bac needs a hand please jump and help him. [19:53] Sorry, I may have missed something while I was away… is it just me, or is CI down? [19:55] 14:56 rick_h_| jujugui CI is down and out. We've identified the issue and bac is recreating the environment. [19:55] 14:56 rick_h_| jujugui so all code landings will have to wait until it's back up. Sorry for the delay if bac needs a hand please jump and help him. [19:56] Ah thanks jrwren! [19:56] jujugui: i'm having trouble getting azure to bootstrap. if this latest attempt fails i'm moving to ec2. [19:56] bac: OK, thanks for the update. [20:00] bac: rgr thanks for trying [20:01] ha, must've scared azure. next try came right up. [20:02] rick_h_, jcsackett: what were the two jenkins instance called? jenkins and jenkins-the-blues? [20:02] rick_h_: who controls the dns entry? [20:08] bac: I do, let me know what cname to point to [20:12] bac: that works. [20:49] rick_h_, hatch: I've got my choice of services, containers, or machines on these delete cards. Any recommendations about what to tackle next? [20:49] well machine and container are one and the same [20:51] I suppose there are some nuances, but I'm not sure one can be done without the other [21:04] kadams54 so machines/containers will also have some cascading tasks which need to be done [21:05] like removing placeUnits onto a ghost machine [21:05] hatch: sounds to me like you're voting for services :-) [21:06] nah that will also have cascading tasks. [21:06] remove relation [21:06] remove addUnits [21:06] remove setConfigs [21:06] heh [21:08] kadams54 so probably doing remove containers/machines will be the best place to start [21:08] it'll have the least 'extras' I think [21:08] kadams54: the other thing is to take a break and go look at the upgrade service UX and such as well [21:12] rick_h_: I'm not seeing any cards for the upgrade service UX… do they need to be created? [21:12] kadams54: hmm, /me looks thoght it was there [21:12] jcsackett how goes the inspector unit stuff? [21:12] Makyo: can help get you some direction [21:13] kadams54: oh, huw got it in progress [21:13] hatch: alright; my lxc was fubared for a chunk of the day, so i haven't gotten as far as i would like. [21:14] ahh, do you dev in a lxc ? [21:14] hatch: i do. don't like to install lots of crap on the main machine, and don't care for VMs. [21:14] mind you, apparently LXCs have their own flaws. :p [21:15] haha, interesting, I never thought of that, I also have an issue with install bloat after a year of working on stuff [21:15] lxc's would sure help that [21:15] rick_h_: looks like there's another UX-ish card for adding uncommitted cues to service view/blocks [21:16] hatch: it also has the benefit of meaning i'm always developing on a system that's at least the same ubuntu release as our production instance. [21:16] kadams54: sure, that'll get you into some fun stuff [21:17] jcsackett yeah good call - I'm really trying to get Ubuntu to run properly on this hardware, it's not going so well, the dual gpu is really a gong show [21:17] rick_h_ how id the new laptop? have 14.04 on it yet? [21:18] hatch: what are you using? [21:19] hatch: yea, 14.04 on it, got the touchpad going a bit better [21:19] but it's a mix bag [21:19] jcsackett OSX with a vm [21:22] jcsackett I'd like to work with someone to get the drivers are fixed up but I'm guessing whoever is writing it would need the machine for quite a while [22:22] jujugui: trying to install dependencies on CI machine following HACKING guide. calls for python-selenium but one is not found. anyone know where it comes from in precise [22:51] jujugui review/qa for destroy service in ECS https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/413 (also, just found some coyote kill in the yard, going to be afk while I get that taken care of) [23:04] Morning [23:04] morning huwshimi [23:04] rick_h__: hey [23:04] huwshimi: heads up, CI went boom today and we're recovering still [23:05] huwshimi: so no landing/test runs for the moment. [23:05] yay! [23:05] heh, like a snow day? [23:07] :) [23:14] huwshimi: do you have anything to merge? [23:14] rick_h__: Not yet. Probably today sometime though. [23:15] huwshimi: ok cool [23:40] Makyo i'm reviewing your branch, fyi [23:40] Thanks [23:54] Makyo looks good - looks like the approach we discussed worked well