| soee | good morning | 06:09 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:07 |
| yofel | Noskcaj: do you know any rumors about whether we're definitely switching to systemd this release? kde works fine with upower 0.99 as long as systemd is used | 07:17 |
| Noskcaj | I know nothing about the systemd which | 07:18 |
| Noskcaj | sorry | 07:18 |
| Noskcaj | I just know gnome can't release a decent OS without the new one | 07:19 |
| Noskcaj | I'll be back in 10 minutes | 07:19 |
| Riddell | tsdgeos: the kde sc packages you pointed at last night are stuck in the libav transition, need to wait until everything uses the new libav | 07:54 |
| tsdgeos | ok | 07:55 |
| Riddell | but thanks for checking | 07:55 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: can you tell me something about this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1310773 | 07:56 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1310773 in dolphin (Ubuntu) "Dolphin not play media in information panel" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 07:56 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: i have read somewhere you upgraded phonon | 07:56 |
| apachelogger | it starts with the fact that the bug is reported against the wrong package | 07:57 |
| apachelogger | secondly the gstreamer plugin cache is probably broken | 07:58 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: but it doesn't work even with vlc phonon | 07:59 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to PhononWidget "", which already has a layout | 08:00 |
| Peace- | btw it's a bug that you will see even in other distro | 08:01 |
| Peace- | like archlinux | 08:01 |
| apachelogger | I doubt the layout clash has anything to do with it not displaying anything | 08:03 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: btw on your machine does it work properly^? | 08:04 |
| Peace- | i tried archlinux and other stuff it's not a kubuntu fault | 08:04 |
| apachelogger | nope | 08:06 |
| apachelogger | it'd be a dolphin issue anyway | 08:06 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: infact in open file window it does work | 08:11 |
| Peace- | sigh | 08:11 |
| === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps | ||
| apachelogger | Peace-: I think what happens is that dolphin tries to be smart and phonon tries to be smart and as a result no one knows that there is video content available | 08:49 |
| apachelogger | that is to say actually phonon as far as vlc is concerned actually has architectural limitations that enforce the smartness | 08:49 |
| apachelogger | works fine with gstreamer though | 08:52 |
| Riddell | apachelogger, shadeslayer, debfx, jussi, ovidiu-florin, nudge nudge http://doodle.com/32izsxtd53thtfykhhtp8yay/ | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | EINVAL | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | http://doodle.com/32izsxtd53thtfyk | 08:59 |
| === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Octopuses | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also) | ||
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Octopuses | https://trello.com/kubuntu | ||
| Riddell | jussi's shop is empty, qa is down | 09:13 |
| Riddell | what happened to the jellyfish? | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | got eaten by carnivorous anemones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc8JT4A7Sp4 | 09:19 |
| === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars | ||
| Riddell | ouch | 09:27 |
| === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps | ||
| === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 | ||
| BluesKaj | 'Morning | 10:02 |
| debfx | apachelogger: thanks for the nightmares :/ | 10:39 |
| apachelogger | you're very welcome :P | 10:40 |
| shadeslayer | tsdgeos: re packages still at 4.13.0 , there's a libav transition going on, so nepomuk is stuck | 11:05 |
| shadeslayer | tsdgeos: akonadi-facebook can be removed, it's only a transitional package | 11:05 |
| shadeslayer | tsdgeos: same for kio-audiocd | 11:05 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ libav transition that is | 11:06 |
| tsdgeos | ok, tx | 11:07 |
| Riddell | xnox: wibble, latest pep8 checker wants to change all the comments from '#foo' it '# foo' in ubiquity, that's a lot of changes! | 11:20 |
| === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars | ||
| Riddell | agateau_: I have to appologise about missing your ubiquity sidebar patch, I was sure I had committed it | 11:40 |
| Riddell | agateau_: but before I can commit it I need some help with a refex which has stumped me and shadeslayer | 11:41 |
| agateau_ | Riddell: no problem, as long as it gets in | 11:41 |
| === agateau_ is now known as agateau | ||
| Riddell | agateau: do you know how to replace #comment with # comment with sed (or anything else) | 11:41 |
| Riddell | agateau: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/foo | 11:41 |
| Riddell | sed "s,#(^ ),# \1," foo | 11:42 |
| Riddell | I would think would do it | 11:42 |
| Riddell | but it complains about the \1 | 11:42 |
| Riddell | s/refex/regex/ | 11:42 |
| agateau | Riddell: don't you need to double-escape it? | 11:42 |
| Riddell | nope, still sed: -e expression #1, char 13: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS | 11:43 |
| agateau | mmm | 11:43 |
| * agateau plays with sed | 11:43 | |
| agateau | ah, got it | 11:44 |
| agateau | echo "#comment" | sed 's,#\([^ ]\),# \1,' | 11:44 |
| agateau | Riddell: sed requires you to escape the parens, unlike Python | 11:44 |
| Riddell | you're a genius :) | 11:45 |
| agateau | Riddell: no, I just had already been bitten by that :) | 11:45 |
| xnox | Riddell: we'd need to fix it, i'm sure cunning sed above and/or any decent editor (like emacs) can do it. | 11:54 |
| xnox | Riddell: are you working on fixing it, or should I? if you do please commit it stand-alone without any other changes and we should be good to go. | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | emacs :O | 11:58 |
| Riddell | xnox: I'm on it | 12:35 |
| sgclark | Riddell: plasma-mediacenter trusty is ready, where do you want it? | 12:37 |
| Riddell | sgclark: oh cool, pastebin a diff -urN of debian directory compared to existing version so I can review | 12:43 |
| Riddell | then upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | debdiff & filterdiff is better | 12:46 |
| sgclark | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7726270/ | 12:49 |
| sgclark | Riddell: did you get the utopic one yet? I need to add the optional baloo I missed | 12:50 |
| Riddell | sgclark: not looked at it yet sorry | 12:52 |
| Riddell | sgclark: looks good, I'd add a comment in the changelog about why you are disabling tests | 12:53 |
| Riddell | sgclark: have you tested it? does it work? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | cos pmc and new kdeconnect would make a killer combination | 12:54 |
| Riddell | and by killer I mean, good living | 12:54 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok, and no, will now | 12:57 |
| Riddell | I wonder if pmc should be put into SRU | 13:06 |
| Riddell | since it fixes the feature breakage that nepomuk search doesn't exist | 13:06 |
| Riddell | which is pretty significant since that's the main way to browse for files in pmc | 13:06 |
| Riddell | ScottK: what think you? ^^ | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 1335838 | 13:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1335838 in homerun (Ubuntu Trusty) "[SRU] homerun 1.2.4" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1335838 | 13:07 |
| sgclark | Riddell: seems I am affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mediacenter/+bug/1310077 is this a packaging or system issue? | 13:18 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1310077 in plasma-mediacenter (Ubuntu) "Plasma Media Center fails to play music and videos" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:18 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I doubt it's a problem in the pmc packaging | 13:19 |
| Riddell | although I don't what it would be a problem with | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | broken gstreamer cache | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | also see what Peace- posted earlier | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | it's pretty much the same issue | 13:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: is there a fix? | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | well, to be more precise I think it could be a broken cache OR plugins are missing | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | plugins usually should trigger the installer gui though | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | rm -rf .cache/gstreamer | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | or rm -rf .gst* | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | something like that | 13:21 |
| ScottK | Riddell: PMC seems fine. I just accepted homerun. | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | if it continues to be a problem it's a plugin thing, eitherway it's gstreamer's fault | 13:22 |
| Riddell | sgclark: does it help to remove the cache? | 13:22 |
| sgclark | Riddell: well removing ccache did make progress, aka could press play button. but it still froze up with errors | 13:25 |
| sgclark | I am thinking plugin issue as well | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | mh | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | qtmm still uses gstreamer0.10 I think | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | it probably wouldn't work terribly well considering just about everything else is gstreamer1 | 13:26 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: PMC does fancy library unloading to work around that IIRC | 13:27 |
| Riddell | why does PMC use qtmm? | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no, I mean, gstreame0.10 support is not very complete | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | that's why we patched our way to gstreamer1 to begin with | 13:28 |
| Riddell | I think opensuse has patches for qtmmkit | 13:28 |
| shadeslayer | I need coffee | 13:29 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: try an expresso mocha, they'll wake you up | 13:29 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: pst is there a vga cable spare kicking around so I can steal d__ed's monitor? | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | think so | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | check the store | 13:30 |
| Riddell | there's a store? | 13:31 |
| shadeslayer | in the back | 13:33 |
| shadeslayer | yep :P | 13:34 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: back of where? | 13:35 |
| Riddell | sgclark: no utopic version in https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/kubuntu/+packages ? | 13:36 |
| sgclark | Riddell: I removed it, need to add optional baloo and will reupload, doing tht now | 13:37 |
| Riddell | okay dokay | 13:37 |
| sgclark | Riddell: so about trusty one, do you still want me to upload it? | 13:42 |
| Riddell | sgclark: not if it doesn't work :) | 13:47 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: ping | 13:47 |
| Riddell | sgclark: put it in your PPA for now until someone else can test to confirm | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: pong | 13:47 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Up for some kdeconnect testing? | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | I am making progress on the SDDM packaging :) | 13:47 |
| Quintasan | I won't be home for a while and need someone to test Send to functionality | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: I uploaded 0.7 to utopic | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | HRRRR | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | it's broken | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: but the rebuilt package for trusty doesn't work | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | yeah pairing doesn't work | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | What | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | It works | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | pairing doesn't work for me | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | 0.7 on trusty definitely works since I tried it yesterday | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | did you do some magic | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | Send to context menu was broken | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | No | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | hm | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | Anyways. | 13:49 |
| Quintasan | Uploading 0.7.1 then | 13:49 |
| Quintasan | damn it | 13:49 |
| Quintasan | I did ping you that I was on it | 13:49 |
| shadeslayer | sorry, I missed it :( | 13:49 |
| shadeslayer | I stole your karma | 13:49 |
| Quintasan | and someone did 0.7.1 | 13:50 |
| Quintasan | lel | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | yes, that was me | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | but, https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/4266309/+listing-archive-extra , doesn't work | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | which is a plain old rebuild of the utopic package | 13:50 |
| Quintasan | Your install is probably borken | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | maybe | 13:50 |
| Quintasan | Tried purging it along with settings? | 13:51 |
| Quintasan | well | 13:51 |
| Quintasan | Anyways, I will try it once I'm at home | 13:51 |
| Quintasan | Quintasan->goStudying() | 13:51 |
| Quintasan | bbl | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7726564/ | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | that's what I get when I try to pair | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/4266309/+listing-archive-extra | 13:56 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Report it upstream then I guess. | 13:56 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: no utopic packages there, you want me to test the backport? | 13:58 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: nope, doesn't do anything, kcm is blank :( | 14:01 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: log out and login again? | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: or qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/kdeconnect org.kde.kded.kdeconnect.restart | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: aj | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | I know | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | I screwed up | 14:03 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: still nothing | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: moment | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://192.168.1.33:8000/kdeconnect_0.7.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb | 14:08 |
| * Riddell gets | 14:09 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: ping works! | 14:10 |
| shadeslayer | what about other stuff | 14:10 |
| Riddell | mouse moves! | 14:11 |
| Riddell | lacks a right click or hold and click but | 14:11 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: fix uploaded | 14:12 |
| Riddell | music plays too | 14:13 |
| Riddell | top (on screen) back button doesn't work from touchpad control on my phone, bottom back button below screen does | 14:13 |
| sgclark | Riddell: utopic https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/kubuntu-utopic | 14:18 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: wtf removing the cahce is working | 14:24 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: :) | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzgoB8pXuc | 14:26 |
| sgclark | Riddell: wasn't something releasing today? or was that tomorrow | 14:44 |
| Riddell | sgclark: turns out its tomorrow for frameworks | 14:44 |
| sgclark | ok np, any idea what time? | 14:45 |
| Riddell | don't know I"m afraid, whenever dfaure has time | 14:45 |
| Riddell | I need to fix the kubuntu initial package to update the build deps | 14:45 |
| Riddell | or you could practice your python foo and work that out :) | 14:45 |
| sgclark | Riddell: yes I would like to, want to learn everything! | 14:46 |
| Riddell | sgclark: see kubuntu-initial-upload in kubuntu-automation, also kdesc-dev-latest-utopic.txt | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | Could someone test kdeconnect https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/4266394/+listing-archive-extra | 14:47 |
| Riddell | !testers ^^ | 14:48 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about testers ^^ | 14:48 |
| Riddell | hmm | 14:48 |
| yofel | without the ^^ ;) | 14:48 |
| yofel | or put a | in between | 14:49 |
| Riddell | !testers | 14:49 |
| ubottu | Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley for information | 14:49 |
| Riddell | well debugged | 14:49 |
| Riddell | sgclark: actually it looks pretty easy to do, just make a new file kf5-dev-latest-utopic.txt to list the -dev packages from kf5 | 14:49 |
| Riddell | sgclark: then copy the two lines in kubuntu-initial-upload that bump the build-dep version | 14:50 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok | 14:50 |
| Riddell | sgclark: and for bonus points do the same for plasma packages | 14:52 |
| sgclark | Riddell: will do | 14:52 |
| claydoh | shadeslayer: I think sshfs is missing as a dependency, kdecoonect needs it for device file browsing | 15:08 |
| claydoh | kdeconnect rather | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | claydoh: runtime dep? ok | 15:13 |
| claydoh | shadeslayer: yes, | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | roger | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | thx for pointing it out | 15:13 |
| claydoh | shadeslayer: thanks for the work you are doing ;) | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | np | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | claydoh: fix uploaded | 15:19 |
| claydoh | shadeslayer: thanks | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ping | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | \o/ | 16:15 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: I have proper sddm packaging | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: git clone bzr::lp:~blue-shell/sddm/netrunner-packaging | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | alternatively, if you want to use bzr, you want lp:~blue-shell/sddm/netrunner-packaging | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | erm | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | wat | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | that is most certainly wrong | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/baloo5/view/head:/debian/changelog | 16:33 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I am unsure how to provide the correct config when people install sddm + sddm-theme-not-maui | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | maybe a postinst script | 16:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/releases | 16:46 |
| kubotu | feed branches-next had 7 updates, showing the latest 6 | 16:47 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: debian/compat 9 more fashionable? | 16:50 |
| Riddell | W: sddm source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 143: Continuation line outside a paragraph (maybe line 142 should be " ."). | 16:50 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: lintian override for init.d errors.. E: sddm: postrm-does-not-call-updaterc.d-for-init.d-script etc/init.d/sddm | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | I don't install a init file | 16:51 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: right, so override it | 16:53 |
| Riddell | (or add one if you want debian to pick it up) | 16:53 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: hangs here during install http://paste.kde.org/ppxglkt4t | 16:54 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I spoke too soon, it was just being very slow | 16:54 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it's because I booted with systemd | 16:54 |
| Riddell | it says Job for sddm.service failed. See 'systemctl status sddm.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. | 16:54 |
| Riddell | well I guess we can worry about that when we worry about systemd | 16:55 |
| Riddell | xnox: any idea when that is? ^^ | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | I copied the service file from lightdm | 16:55 |
| xnox | Riddell: the " sddm: postrm-does-not-call-updaterc.d-for-init.d-script etc/init.d/sddm" is an error in utopic and up | 16:58 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: if you are shipping init.d script, you should use dh_installinit, with all maintainer scripts. | 17:05 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: you may additionally ship upstart job. | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | I don't ship a init script :) | 17:05 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: if you ship a systemd unit, you should also have a systemd unit. | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/files/head:/debian/ | 17:06 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: what are you shipping then? =) you must be shipping something init-system to trigger that. | 17:06 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: upstart/systemd | 17:06 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: are you not gonna ship it in debian as well? per debian-policy, one must have an init script in addition to alternative init system files. | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: haven't thought about that yet | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | because the init script I have doesn't properly work | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | too much hassle for now | 17:08 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: that looks wrong, and integrates with legacy stuff. | 17:09 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: does sddm actually integrate with plymouth and calls plymouth-quit itself? | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: not yet | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | but there's support coming | 17:10 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: then the systemd unit is wrong. | 17:10 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 17:10 |
| shadeslayer | s/quit/stop/ | 17:10 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 17:10 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: also, since this is a new display manager it should only use display-manager service symlink handling. | 17:10 |
| shadeslayer | I don't follow | 17:11 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: ^^ | 17:12 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: i haven't yet heard about sddm, where is that being developed and why not e.g. use lightdm? | 17:14 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: you shouldn't use ExecStarPre, and instead make dh_systemd generate/update the display-manager.service symlink under /etc/systemd | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: https://github.com/sddm/sddm | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: again, I just copied over the lightdm service file, so, there are bound to be issues :) | 17:17 |
| * shadeslayer doesn't see ExecStarPre in the packaging | 17:19 | |
| xnox | shadeslayer: there is ExecStartPre in the systemd unit file | 17:21 |
| shadeslayer | huh | 17:21 |
| shadeslayer | not sure why that didn't turn up in my grep | 17:21 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 17:21 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: if you are after Qml in the greater, then i thought this can be done with lightdm as well | 17:21 |
| shadeslayer | was grepping for ExecStarPre | 17:21 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: I know :) | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: tbh I don't really know why sddm was started | 17:22 |
| yofel | wasn't it that it was pure QML and then nobody wanted to add wayland support to lightdm while it's under CLA? | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer | no clue about the CLA part, but presumably you can do the QML bits in lightdm too | 17:25 |
| xnox | yofel: i'm not sure what you mean there. Qml is capable on both wayland and x11 and under lightdm. | 17:27 |
| yofel | I didn't follow the discussion too closely, it was several months ago that kde folks were talking about what should replace kdm | 17:28 |
| ScottK | xnox: CLA was the reason lightdm was considered unsuitable. | 17:31 |
| ScottK | lightdm was the best technical solution, but no one was willing to consider it due to CLA. | 17:32 |
| ScottK | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2013/03/logging-into-plasma-workspaces-2.html is relevant. | 17:34 |
| xnox | ScottK: there is no reason for ubuntu to support wayland in lightdm ubuntu package. and you know that. | 17:37 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 17:38 |
| ScottK | Didn't say there was. | 17:38 |
| ScottK | I said the CLA was the blocker to using LightDM. | 17:38 |
| xnox | ScottK: also what's the status of wayland in ubuntu at the moment? i thought that as it stands today, framework5-buntu is still better off on top of X11 and possibly even mir (not sure) | 17:39 |
| xnox | ScottK: portions of ssdm look to be non-dfsg-free (CC-BY without SA) | 17:39 |
| ScottK | I haven't looked. | 17:39 |
| ScottK | Most of KF5 isn't affected by choice of display server. | 17:40 |
| ScottK | When you get to Plasma Next, it's a bit different. | 17:40 |
| ScottK | There, Mir is and will remain totally unsupported, so it's not an option for us. | 17:40 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: ScottK: if ssdm will/is default in future kde, then it's best to get proper init scripts and systemd units into debian and/or upstream. And the licenses should be thoroughly checked. | 17:41 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 17:41 |
| ScottK | It'll be a bit easier once Ubuntu shifts off upstart. | 17:42 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: i don't see any support for plymouth integration in ssdm in latest git checkout. thus basing scripts on lightdm will not get you a working login. TTY will be held up by plymouth without starting ssdm properly. | 17:42 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: the systemd unit upstream is better than what there is kurrently in the kubuntu packaging | 17:42 |
| * xnox giggles at kurrently typo | 17:42 | |
| yofel | xnox: what's the chances of switching to systemd in utopic btw.? | 17:43 |
| ScottK | I think pitti is the one to ask. | 17:43 |
| xnox | yofel: you can run with systemd as pid1 right now. but a lot of services don't work/start. There is no upgrade nor dist-upgrade support. Current focus is to get core,server,basic unity7 desktop working | 17:44 |
| xnox | we are not there yet | 17:44 |
| xnox | (and cloud-image if we manage to get it done) | 17:44 |
| xnox | yofel: even if available, it will not be support in all configuration and will not be open to be supported across all flavours in all currently supported configurations. | 17:45 |
| xnox | obviously joining the effort would be appreciated. | 17:45 |
| yofel | yeah, I'm runnig it right now ;) | 17:45 |
| yofel | at least for kde it works rather well, just the package upgrades are still buggy (nfs-common etc.) | 17:45 |
| xnox | if there are resources that flavours can commit towards that. for general purpose systemd by default, it is more likely 15.04/15.10 timeline. | 17:46 |
| yofel | I'll keep an eye on the progress at least and help with testing. | 17:48 |
| yofel | If we don't switch for 14.10 then I'll have to invest time in getting kde and upower 0.99 to work with upstart (if you go with gnome 3.12) | 17:48 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Splendid | 20:09 |
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