[06:09] <soee> good morning
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:17] <yofel> Noskcaj: do you know any rumors about whether we're definitely switching to systemd this release? kde works fine with upower 0.99 as long as systemd is used
[07:18] <Noskcaj> I know nothing about the systemd which
[07:18] <Noskcaj> sorry
[07:19] <Noskcaj> I just know gnome can't release a decent OS without the new one
[07:19] <Noskcaj> I'll be back in 10 minutes
[07:54] <Riddell> tsdgeos: the kde sc packages you pointed at last night are stuck in the libav transition, need to wait until everything uses the new libav
[07:55] <tsdgeos> ok
[07:55] <Riddell> but thanks for checking
[07:56] <Peace-> apachelogger:  can you tell me something about this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1310773
[07:56] <Peace-> apachelogger: i have read somewhere you upgraded phonon 
[07:57] <apachelogger> it starts with the fact that the bug is reported against the wrong package
[07:58] <apachelogger> secondly the gstreamer plugin cache is probably broken
[07:59] <Peace-> apachelogger: but it doesn't work even with vlc phonon
[08:00] <Peace-> apachelogger: QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to PhononWidget "", which already has a layout
[08:01] <Peace-> btw it's a bug that you will see even in other distro 
[08:01] <Peace-> like archlinux 
[08:03] <apachelogger> I doubt the layout clash has anything to do with it not displaying anything
[08:04] <Peace-> apachelogger: btw on your machine does it work properly^?
[08:04] <Peace-> i tried archlinux and other stuff it's not a kubuntu fault 
[08:06] <apachelogger> nope
[08:06] <apachelogger> it'd be a dolphin issue anyway
[08:11] <Peace-> apachelogger: infact in open file window it does work
[08:11] <Peace-> sigh
[08:49] <apachelogger> Peace-: I think what happens is that dolphin tries to be smart and phonon tries to be smart and as a result no one knows that there is video content available
[08:49] <apachelogger> that is to say actually phonon as far as vlc is concerned actually has architectural limitations that enforce the smartness
[08:52] <apachelogger> works fine with gstreamer though
[08:58] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer, debfx, jussi, ovidiu-florin, nudge nudge http://doodle.com/32izsxtd53thtfykhhtp8yay/
[08:58] <apachelogger> EINVAL
[08:59] <apachelogger> http://doodle.com/32izsxtd53thtfyk
[09:13] <Riddell> jussi's shop is empty, qa is down
[09:13] <Riddell> what happened to the jellyfish?
[09:19] <apachelogger> got eaten by carnivorous anemones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc8JT4A7Sp4
[09:27] <Riddell> ouch
[10:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[10:39] <debfx> apachelogger: thanks for the nightmares :/
[10:40] <apachelogger> you're very welcome :P
[11:05] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: re packages still at 4.13.0 , there's a libav transition going on, so nepomuk is stuck
[11:05] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: akonadi-facebook can be removed, it's only a transitional package
[11:05] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: same for kio-audiocd
[11:06] <shadeslayer> ^^ libav transition that is
[11:07] <tsdgeos> ok, tx
[11:20] <Riddell> xnox: wibble, latest pep8 checker wants to change all the comments from '#foo' it '# foo' in ubiquity, that's a lot of changes!
[11:40] <Riddell> agateau_: I have to appologise about missing your ubiquity sidebar patch, I was sure I had committed it
[11:41] <Riddell> agateau_: but before I can commit it I need some help with a refex which has stumped me and shadeslayer 
[11:41] <agateau_> Riddell: no problem, as long as it gets in
[11:41] <Riddell> agateau: do you know how to replace #comment with # comment with sed (or anything else)
[11:41] <Riddell> agateau: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/foo
[11:42] <Riddell> sed "s,#(^ ),# \1," foo
[11:42] <Riddell> I would think would do it
[11:42] <Riddell> but it complains about the \1
[11:42] <Riddell> s/refex/regex/
[11:42] <agateau> Riddell: don't you need to double-escape it?
[11:43] <Riddell> nope, still sed: -e expression #1, char 13: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
[11:43] <agateau> mmm
[11:43]  * agateau plays with sed
[11:44] <agateau> ah, got it
[11:44] <agateau> echo "#comment" | sed 's,#\([^ ]\),# \1,'
[11:44] <agateau> Riddell: sed requires you to escape the parens, unlike Python
[11:45] <Riddell> you're a genius :)
[11:45] <agateau> Riddell: no, I just had already been bitten by that :)
[11:54] <xnox> Riddell: we'd need to fix it, i'm sure cunning sed above and/or any decent editor (like emacs) can do it.
[11:55] <xnox> Riddell: are you working on fixing it, or should I? if you do please commit it stand-alone without any other changes and we should be good to go. 
[11:58] <apachelogger> emacs :O
[12:35] <Riddell> xnox: I'm on it
[12:37] <sgclark> Riddell: plasma-mediacenter trusty is ready, where do you want it?
[12:43] <Riddell> sgclark: oh cool, pastebin a diff -urN of debian directory compared to existing version so I can review
[12:43] <Riddell> then upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:46] <apachelogger> debdiff & filterdiff is better
[12:49] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7726270/
[12:50] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get the utopic one yet? I need to add the optional baloo I missed
[12:52] <Riddell> sgclark: not looked at it yet sorry
[12:53] <Riddell> sgclark: looks good, I'd add a comment in the changelog about why you are disabling tests
[12:53] <Riddell> sgclark: have you tested it? does it work?
[12:54] <Riddell> cos pmc and new kdeconnect would make a killer combination
[12:54] <Riddell> and by killer I mean, good living
[12:57] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, and no, will now
[13:06] <Riddell> I wonder if pmc should be put into SRU
[13:06] <Riddell> since it fixes the feature breakage that nepomuk search doesn't exist
[13:06] <Riddell> which is pretty significant since that's the main way to browse for files in pmc
[13:06] <Riddell> ScottK: what think you? ^^
[13:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1335838 
[13:18] <sgclark> Riddell: seems I am affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mediacenter/+bug/1310077 is this a packaging or system issue?
[13:19] <Riddell> sgclark: I doubt it's a problem in the pmc packaging
[13:19] <Riddell> although I don't what it would be a problem with
[13:20] <apachelogger> broken gstreamer cache
[13:20] <apachelogger> also see what Peace- posted earlier
[13:20] <apachelogger> it's pretty much the same issue
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a fix?
[13:20] <apachelogger> well, to be more precise I think it could be a broken cache OR plugins are missing
[13:21] <apachelogger> plugins usually should trigger the installer gui though
[13:21] <apachelogger> rm -rf .cache/gstreamer 
[13:21] <apachelogger> or rm -rf .gst*
[13:21] <apachelogger> something like that
[13:21] <ScottK> Riddell: PMC seems fine.  I just accepted homerun.
[13:22] <apachelogger> if it continues to be a problem it's a plugin thing, eitherway it's gstreamer's fault
[13:22] <Riddell> sgclark: does it help to remove the cache?
[13:25] <sgclark> Riddell: well removing ccache did make progress, aka could press play button. but it still froze up with errors
[13:25] <sgclark> I am thinking plugin issue as well
[13:26] <apachelogger> mh
[13:26] <apachelogger> qtmm still uses gstreamer0.10 I think
[13:26] <apachelogger> it probably wouldn't work terribly well considering just about everything else is gstreamer1
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: PMC does fancy library unloading to work around that IIRC
[13:28] <Riddell> why does PMC use qtmm?
[13:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I mean, gstreame0.10 support is not very complete
[13:28] <apachelogger> that's why we patched our way to gstreamer1 to begin with
[13:28] <Riddell> I think opensuse has patches for qtmmkit
[13:29] <shadeslayer> I need coffee
[13:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try an expresso mocha, they'll wake you up
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pst is there a vga cable spare kicking around so I can steal d__ed's monitor?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> think so
[13:30] <shadeslayer> check the store
[13:31] <Riddell> there's a store?
[13:33] <shadeslayer> in the back
[13:34] <shadeslayer> yep :P
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: back of where?
[13:36] <Riddell> sgclark: no utopic version in https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/kubuntu/+packages ?
[13:37] <sgclark> Riddell: I removed it, need to add optional baloo and will reupload, doing tht now
[13:37] <Riddell> okay dokay
[13:42] <sgclark> Riddell: so about trusty one, do you still want me to upload it?
[13:47] <Riddell> sgclark: not if it doesn't work :)
[13:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[13:47] <Riddell> sgclark: put it in your PPA for now until someone else can test to confirm
[13:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pong
[13:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Up for some kdeconnect testing?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> I am making progress on the SDDM packaging :)
[13:48] <Quintasan> I won't be home for a while and need someone to test Send to functionality
[13:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I uploaded 0.7 to utopic
[13:48] <Quintasan> HRRRR
[13:48] <Quintasan> it's broken
[13:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: but the rebuilt package for trusty doesn't work
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yeah pairing doesn't work
[13:48] <Quintasan> What
[13:48] <Quintasan> It works
[13:48] <shadeslayer> pairing doesn't work for me
[13:48] <Quintasan> 0.7 on trusty definitely works since I tried it yesterday
[13:48] <shadeslayer> did you do some magic
[13:48] <Quintasan> Send to context menu was broken
[13:48] <Quintasan> No
[13:48] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:49] <Quintasan> Anyways.
[13:49] <Quintasan> Uploading 0.7.1 then
[13:49] <Quintasan> damn it
[13:49] <Quintasan> I did ping you that I was on it
[13:49] <shadeslayer> sorry, I missed it :(
[13:49] <shadeslayer> I stole your karma
[13:50] <Quintasan> and someone did 0.7.1
[13:50] <Quintasan> lel
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yes, that was me
[13:50] <shadeslayer> but, https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/4266309/+listing-archive-extra , doesn't work
[13:50] <shadeslayer> which is a plain old rebuild of the utopic package
[13:50] <Quintasan> Your install is probably borken
[13:50] <shadeslayer> maybe
[13:51] <Quintasan> Tried purging it along with settings?
[13:51] <Quintasan> well
[13:51] <Quintasan> Anyways, I will try it once I'm at home
[13:51] <Quintasan> Quintasan->goStudying()
[13:51] <Quintasan> bbl
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7726564/
[13:55] <shadeslayer> that's what I get when I try to pair
[13:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/4266309/+listing-archive-extra
[13:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Report it upstream then I guess.
[13:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no utopic packages there, you want me to test the backport?
[14:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope, doesn't do anything, kcm is blank :(
[14:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: log out and login again?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: or qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/kdeconnect org.kde.kded.kdeconnect.restart
[14:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: aj
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:03] <shadeslayer> I know
[14:03] <shadeslayer> I screwed up
[14:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: still nothing
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: moment
[14:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://192.168.1.33:8000/kdeconnect_0.7.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[14:09]  * Riddell gets
[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ping works!
[14:10] <shadeslayer> what about other stuff
[14:11] <Riddell> mouse moves!
[14:11] <Riddell> lacks a right click or hold and click but
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fix uploaded
[14:13] <Riddell> music plays too
[14:13] <Riddell> top (on screen) back button doesn't work from touchpad control on my phone, bottom back button below screen does
[14:18] <sgclark> Riddell: utopic https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/kubuntu-utopic
[14:24] <Peace-> apachelogger: wtf removing the cahce is working
[14:24] <Peace-> apachelogger: :)
[14:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzgoB8pXuc
[14:44] <sgclark> Riddell: wasn't something releasing today? or was that tomorrow
[14:44] <Riddell> sgclark: turns out its tomorrow for frameworks
[14:45] <sgclark> ok np, any idea what time?
[14:45] <Riddell> don't know I"m afraid, whenever dfaure has time
[14:45] <Riddell> I need to fix the kubuntu initial package to update the build deps
[14:45] <Riddell> or you could practice your python foo and work that out :)
[14:46] <sgclark> Riddell: yes I would like to, want to learn everything!
[14:47] <Riddell> sgclark: see kubuntu-initial-upload in kubuntu-automation, also kdesc-dev-latest-utopic.txt
[14:47] <shadeslayer> Could someone test kdeconnect https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/4266394/+listing-archive-extra
[14:48] <Riddell> !testers ^^
[14:48] <Riddell> hmm
[14:48] <yofel> without the ^^ ;)
[14:49] <yofel> or put a | in between
[14:49] <Riddell> !testers
[14:49] <Riddell> well debugged
[14:49] <Riddell> sgclark: actually it looks pretty easy to do, just make a new file kf5-dev-latest-utopic.txt to list the -dev packages from kf5
[14:50] <Riddell> sgclark: then copy the two lines in kubuntu-initial-upload that bump the build-dep version
[14:50] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: and for bonus points do the same for plasma packages
[14:52] <sgclark> Riddell: will do
[15:08] <claydoh> shadeslayer: I think sshfs is missing as a dependency, kdecoonect needs it for device file browsing
[15:08] <claydoh> kdeconnect  rather
[15:13] <shadeslayer> claydoh: runtime dep? ok
[15:13] <claydoh> shadeslayer: yes, 
[15:13] <shadeslayer> roger
[15:13] <shadeslayer> thx for pointing it out
[15:15] <claydoh> shadeslayer: thanks for the work you are doing ;)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> np
[15:19] <shadeslayer> claydoh: fix uploaded
[15:23] <claydoh> shadeslayer: thanks
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[16:15] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I have proper sddm packaging
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: git clone bzr::lp:~blue-shell/sddm/netrunner-packaging
[16:25] <shadeslayer> alternatively, if you want to use bzr, you want lp:~blue-shell/sddm/netrunner-packaging
[16:25] <shadeslayer> erm
[16:25] <shadeslayer> wat
[16:25] <shadeslayer> that is most certainly wrong
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/baloo5/view/head:/debian/changelog 
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I am unsure how to provide the correct config when people install sddm + sddm-theme-not-maui
[16:42] <shadeslayer> maybe a postinst script
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/releases
[16:47] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 7 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: debian/compat 9 more fashionable?
[16:50] <Riddell> W: sddm source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 143: Continuation line outside a paragraph (maybe line 142 should be " .").
[16:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lintian override for init.d errors.. E: sddm: postrm-does-not-call-updaterc.d-for-init.d-script etc/init.d/sddm
[16:51] <shadeslayer> I don't install a init file
[16:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: right, so override it
[16:53] <Riddell> (or add one if you want debian to pick it up)
[16:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hangs here during install  http://paste.kde.org/ppxglkt4t
[16:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I spoke too soon, it was just being very slow
[16:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's because I booted with systemd
[16:54] <Riddell> it says Job for sddm.service failed. See 'systemctl status sddm.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
[16:55] <Riddell> well I guess we can worry about that when we worry about systemd
[16:55] <Riddell> xnox: any idea when that is? ^^
[16:55] <shadeslayer> I copied the service file from lightdm
[16:58] <xnox> Riddell: the " sddm: postrm-does-not-call-updaterc.d-for-init.d-script etc/init.d/sddm" is an error in utopic and up
[17:05] <xnox> shadeslayer: if you are shipping init.d script, you should use dh_installinit, with all maintainer scripts.
[17:05] <xnox> shadeslayer: you may additionally ship upstart job.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> I don't ship a init script :)
[17:05] <xnox> shadeslayer: if you ship a systemd unit, you should also have a systemd unit.
[17:06] <shadeslayer> xnox: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/files/head:/debian/
[17:06] <xnox> shadeslayer: what are you shipping then? =) you must be shipping something init-system to trigger that.
[17:06] <shadeslayer> xnox: upstart/systemd
[17:07] <xnox> shadeslayer: are you not gonna ship it in debian as well? per debian-policy, one must have an init script in addition to alternative init system files.
[17:08] <shadeslayer> xnox: haven't thought about that yet
[17:08] <shadeslayer> because the init script I have doesn't properly work
[17:08] <shadeslayer> too much hassle for now
[17:09] <xnox> shadeslayer: that looks wrong, and integrates with legacy stuff.
[17:09] <xnox> shadeslayer: does sddm actually integrate with plymouth and calls plymouth-quit itself?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> xnox: not yet
[17:10] <shadeslayer> but there's support coming
[17:10] <xnox> shadeslayer: then the systemd unit is wrong.
[17:10] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:10] <shadeslayer> s/quit/stop/
[17:10] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[17:10] <xnox> shadeslayer: also, since this is a new display manager it should only use display-manager service symlink handling.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> I don't follow
[17:12] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^^
[17:14] <xnox> shadeslayer: i haven't yet heard about sddm, where is that being developed and why not e.g. use lightdm?
[17:15] <xnox> shadeslayer: you shouldn't use ExecStarPre, and instead make dh_systemd generate/update the display-manager.service symlink under /etc/systemd
[17:15] <shadeslayer> xnox: https://github.com/sddm/sddm
[17:17] <shadeslayer> xnox: again, I just copied over the lightdm service file, so, there are bound to be issues :)
[17:19]  * shadeslayer doesn't see ExecStarPre in the packaging
[17:21] <xnox> shadeslayer: there is ExecStartPre in the systemd unit file
[17:21] <shadeslayer> huh
[17:21] <shadeslayer> not sure why that didn't turn up in my grep
[17:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:21] <xnox> shadeslayer: if you are after Qml in the greater, then i thought this can be done with lightdm as well
[17:21] <shadeslayer> was grepping for ExecStarPre
[17:22] <shadeslayer> xnox: I know :)
[17:22] <shadeslayer> xnox: tbh I don't really know why sddm was started
[17:23] <yofel> wasn't it that it was pure QML and then nobody wanted to add wayland support to lightdm while it's under CLA?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> no clue about the CLA part, but presumably you can do the QML bits in lightdm too
[17:27] <xnox> yofel: i'm not sure what you mean there. Qml is capable on both wayland and x11 and under lightdm.
[17:28] <yofel> I didn't follow the discussion too closely, it was several months ago that kde folks were talking about what should replace kdm
[17:31] <ScottK> xnox: CLA was the reason lightdm was considered unsuitable.
[17:32] <ScottK> lightdm was the best technical solution, but no one was willing to consider it due to CLA.
[17:34] <ScottK> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2013/03/logging-into-plasma-workspaces-2.html is relevant.
[17:37] <xnox> ScottK: there is no reason for ubuntu to support wayland in lightdm ubuntu package. and you know that.
[17:38] <ScottK> Yep.
[17:38] <ScottK> Didn't say there was.
[17:38] <ScottK> I said the CLA was the blocker to using LightDM.
[17:39] <xnox> ScottK: also what's the status of wayland in ubuntu at the moment? i thought that as it stands today, framework5-buntu is still better off on top of X11 and possibly even mir (not sure)
[17:39] <xnox> ScottK: portions of ssdm look to be non-dfsg-free (CC-BY without SA)
[17:39] <ScottK> I haven't looked.
[17:40] <ScottK> Most of KF5 isn't affected by choice of display server.
[17:40] <ScottK> When you get to Plasma Next, it's a bit different.
[17:40] <ScottK> There, Mir is and will remain totally unsupported, so it's not an option for us.
[17:41] <xnox> shadeslayer: ScottK: if ssdm will/is default in future kde, then it's best to get proper init scripts and systemd units into debian and/or upstream. And the licenses should be thoroughly checked.
[17:41] <ScottK> Agreed.
[17:42] <ScottK> It'll be a bit easier once Ubuntu shifts off upstart.
[17:42] <xnox> shadeslayer: i don't see any support for plymouth integration in ssdm in latest git checkout. thus basing scripts on lightdm will not get you a working login. TTY will be held up by plymouth without starting ssdm properly.
[17:42] <xnox> shadeslayer: the systemd unit upstream is better than what there is kurrently in the kubuntu packaging
[17:42]  * xnox giggles at kurrently typo
[17:43] <yofel> xnox: what's the chances of switching to systemd in utopic btw.?
[17:43] <ScottK> I think pitti is the one to ask.
[17:44] <xnox> yofel: you can run with systemd as pid1 right now. but a lot of services don't work/start. There is no upgrade nor dist-upgrade support. Current focus is to get core,server,basic unity7 desktop working
[17:44] <xnox> we are not there yet
[17:44] <xnox> (and cloud-image if we manage to get it done)
[17:45] <xnox> yofel: even if available, it will not be support in all configuration and will not be open to be supported across all flavours in all currently supported configurations.
[17:45] <xnox> obviously joining the effort would be appreciated.
[17:45] <yofel> yeah, I'm runnig it right now ;)
[17:45] <yofel> at least for kde it works rather well, just the package upgrades are still buggy (nfs-common etc.)
[17:46] <xnox> if there are resources that flavours can commit towards that. for general purpose systemd by default, it is more likely 15.04/15.10 timeline.
[17:48] <yofel> I'll keep an eye on the progress at least and help with testing.
[17:48] <yofel> If we don't switch for 14.10 then I'll have to invest time in getting kde and upower 0.99 to work with upstart (if you go with gnome 3.12)
[20:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Splendid