[00:13] <xnox> darkxst: huh, autopilot totally can use either qt4, qt5 or gtk3
[00:13] <xnox> darkxst: and it is used by ubiquity to test gtk3 frontend.
[02:38] <darkxst> xnox, I meant autopilot can't be used to test gnome-shell
[02:43] <TheMuso`> You would have to write a cluttr autopilot backend.
[06:09] <darkxst> TheMuso`, yes I am aware, never got around to looking at that. or I guess that other option would be to use atk/at-spi for testing
[06:12] <TheMuso`> darkxst: That is certainly an option, but I know that is likely to raise issues already, given there are still parts of GNOME shell that need a11y work.
[06:14] <darkxst> TheMuso`, well don't really need to test every single feature, would just be nice to have a general smoke test, since we seem to get completely broken by other changes 2-3 times per cycle
[06:15] <pitti> Good morning
[06:15] <darkxst> hey pitti
[06:15] <pitti> hey darkxst, how are you?
[06:15] <darkxst> good, still raining here though :(
[06:17] <TheMuso`> darkxst: Fair enough.
[06:56] <darkxst> pitti, do you have a systemd update by anychance?
[06:56] <pitti> darkxst: what kind of update?
[06:56] <darkxst> like a 210+ package?
[06:56] <pitti> darkxst: I have a 208 package
[06:57] <pitti> but not tested it much, as it's still stuck on making 205+ compatible with systemd-shim and upstart
[06:57] <pitti> i. e. translate the slice generation into cgmanager calls
[06:59] <darkxst> pitti, source available somewhere?
[07:01] <pitti> darkxst: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/systemd_208-2pitti1.dsc
[07:01] <pitti> darkxst: that has most Ubuntu changes merged, it's just already a few weeks old
[07:03] <darkxst> pitti, thanks
[07:07]  * darkxst will now go try and break my system ;) 
[07:10] <pitti> hehe
[08:05] <Laney> goood morning
[08:06] <darkxst> hey Laney
[08:07] <Laney> yo darkxst
[08:09] <darkxst> Laney, can you sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/libgweather/3.12.2
[08:09] <Noskcaj> please
[08:10] <Laney> if that's a merge then the version is wrong
[08:10] <Laney> shouldn't be 0ubuntu1
[08:10] <Laney> and yes, sure, see #ubuntu-devel in 5 seconds:
[08:10] <Laney> oh I see debian only has .1
[08:11] <Laney> want to update it there first?
[08:11] <Noskcaj> Laney, I'd rather not wait 6 months for it to be uploaded. pkg-gnome rarely sponsors stuff
[08:12] <Laney> what about pkg-laney
[08:14] <darkxst> Noskcaj, pkg-laney should be quicker than pkg-gnome!
[08:15] <Noskcaj> I'll go and put it in pkg-gnome now
[08:15] <Laney> anyway I'll not get distracted by doing that update just yet
[08:15] <Laney> but if you put it in there sure
[08:15] <Laney> first I need to restart my vps to get the moar rams that I bought over the weekend
[08:15] <Laney> brb
[08:18] <Noskcaj> now = after i download all of pkg-gnome svn
[08:20] <darkxst> Noskcaj, right, maybe I will join pkg-gnome, after they switch to git ;)
[08:24] <Laney> good, that worked
[08:28] <Noskcaj> darkxst, You can take my place then. git is such a pain
[08:32] <darkxst> Noskcaj, why? git is good!
[08:41]  * darkxst suggests Noskcaj should spend the school holidays learning git and C ;)
[08:46] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I probably should.
[08:48] <Noskcaj> I'd started trying to learn vala, but it lack any docs
[08:51] <Noskcaj> I'll look into C i guess, i'd came along the idea of merging back all of ubuntu's changes to pkg-gnome, but it seems like too much work to bother
[08:51] <Laney> I usually just take stuff across when I'm updating for some other reason
[08:51] <Laney> e.g. if you're doing libgweather now, take whatever you can
[08:57] <darkxst> Noskcaj, vala is more or less c#, but nicely integrated with gtk
[08:59] <darkxst> Noskcaj, start with C, once you get that you will more or less be able understand what is going on in other other languages
[08:59] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:00] <darkxst> well except for python
[09:00] <Noskcaj> I'll start learning C tomorrow. (need dota + sleep tonight)
[09:23] <darkxst> dota? did valve buy you out?
[10:02] <darkxst> Laney, guess you are busy piloting but can you test of my displayconfig thing again after?
[10:02] <Laney> darkxst: yeah hoping to get to that again today
[10:03] <Laney> did you update the u-* branches?
[10:03] <darkxst> Laney, only on the ppa,
[10:03] <Laney> also should I try 3.10 or 3.12?
[10:03] <Laney> oh if it's all there, nice
[10:04] <darkxst> Laney, 3.12 is fine apart from https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/xkb/+merge/224919
[10:05] <darkxst> Laney, ppa:darkxst/gnome-desktop
[10:05] <Laney> new branch> bzr push --overwrite the original one I think
[10:06] <darkxst> Laney, probaly, why I dislike bzr!
[10:07] <Laney> you'd have to force push with git too, no?
[10:08] <darkxst> Laney, git thinks rewriting public history is a bad idea!
[10:08] <Laney> same here, that's why you have to give a flag
[10:08] <Laney> but it's alright to do this in your working branches until they're merged in
[10:08] <Laney> IMO
[10:10] <darkxst> Laney, sure, and rebasing patch sets under git is much better in git, than bzr IMO
[10:10] <Laney> yes, rebasing is one area in which git wins
[10:10] <Laney> I'm just suggesting for this merge request that a force push is appropriate. :)
[10:10] <larsu> ya, git allows this as well "push -f", but servers can be configured to refuse force pushes (gnome's does for example)
[10:11] <larsu> you can still get around that of course
[10:11] <larsu> and I agree with Laney, it's totally fine for feature branches
[10:12] <Laney> hey larsu!
[10:13] <larsu> hi Laney :)
[10:13] <larsu> how was your weekend?
[10:13] <Laney> very nice thank you
[10:14] <darkxst> Laney, ther you go, fixed
[10:14] <Laney> went up north to visit parents - record shop (& discovered it was stockton-on-tees pirate day when there were pirates singing sea shanties in store), walks on the beach and up on some hills
[10:15] <darkxst> now if you can fix our weather down south, I will be forever grateful ;
[10:15] <larsu> Laney: sounds great!
[10:15] <Laney> hey, you've got to let us have our turn with the sun for a bit
[10:15] <Laney> it's only fair!
[10:15] <Laney> larsu: how was yours?
[10:16] <larsu> relaxing :)
[10:16] <larsu> went to a party with dholbach, walked around an art festival in the city
[10:16] <larsu> and hung out in a park by the river
[10:17] <Laney> dholbach, party, relaxing
[10:17] <Laney> does not compute
[10:17] <larsu> the party wasn't that relaxing (but a lot of fun)
[10:17] <Laney> at least in my mental image of these parties :P
[10:17] <Laney> aw man he's not in here to be trolled
[10:18] <larsu> I think he gave up on this channel a while ago :(
[10:20] <Laney> also I've been reading too many blogs about living cities
[10:20] <Laney> kept noticing and being annoyed about the massive roads leading right into city centres and shitty pedestrian facilities
[10:21] <larsu> totally agree
[10:21] <larsu> I'm vaguely hopeful that car sharing / driverless cars will fix this to an extent
[10:22] <darkxst> Laney, then build some single track for you and your bike ;)
[10:22] <Laney> that'd be nice
[10:22] <Laney> currently if there would be any amount of design required then the lane just gives up and dumps you in the road
[10:23] <Laney> http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/do-you-hate-humans-take-it-out-on-them-through-design/
[10:23] <darkxst> Laney, we recently got 'copenhagen' lanes for bikes in the city
[10:24] <darkxst> end results car-dooring
[10:24] <Laney> HAHA yes
[10:25] <Laney> "go dutch" is a slogan here
[10:25] <Laney> I think any Dutch person would be insulted by what's done under that banner
[10:26] <darkxst> Laney, I don't think there are too many dutch here to get offended!
[10:26] <Laney> :P
[10:26] <darkxst> qould be a few though
[12:05] <lool> bregma: is there a bug for the scaling settings computation race?
[12:05] <lool> bregma: or is there a workaround?
[12:06] <bregma> lool, I'm fairly certain there's a bug, I'll have to search to find it right now though
[12:06] <bregma> I will peg Trevinho for the workaround and put it on the wiki somewhere in the mean time
[12:07] <bregma> there are some gsettings that you can tweak manually to reset the scaling, I just don't remember them off the top of my head
[12:57] <desrt> good morning, freedom lovers!
[13:25] <gatox> lool, ping
[13:34] <GunnarHj> Laney: Isn't there always something with the license. ;) Explanation added to bug 1314402.
[13:34] <lool> gatox: pong
[13:36] <gatox> lool, hi, i don't know if you are the right person to ping... but i know sergiusens was working on getting the payui click into the image, the click is already in the store... but i see the click is not in the image yet... do you know who could take care of that
[13:36] <gatox> ?
[13:45] <lool> gatox: hmm sergiusens was adding clicks to the image in the past; I have to remember where the list is
[13:45] <lool> gatox: I think we used to go through http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/click_list
[13:45] <lool> gatox: albeit I'm not sure the full list is installed; it might just be an index
[13:46] <lool> gatox: this might have to go through livecd-rootfs, not sure
[13:47] <lool> gatox: livecd-rootfs/live-build/ubuntu-touch/hooks/60-install-click.chroot could be what you are looking for?
[13:48] <lool> gatox: so yeah, apparently click_list is the way to go
[13:48] <lool> gatox: this is probably a cjwatson thing to get it listed there, or others in ~ubuntu-archive
[13:49] <gatox> lool, ok... pinging him
[13:53] <Laney> GunnarHj: It's what makes this stuff fun. :)
[14:20]  * desrt loves this: http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/06/rainbow-graces-toronto-sky-to-end-world-pride.html
[14:22] <seb128> nice rainbows there ;-)
[14:24]  * ogra_ always wondered if there are pots full of gold on both ends or only on one
[14:29] <GunnarHj> happyaron: ping?
[14:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, he's probably off at this hour, maybe best to ask your question so he can reply late
[14:31] <seb128> r
[14:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks. I already subscribed him to a bug, so I'll wait then.
[15:29] <pitti> jibel, seb128, vila: bonne chance avec le joue français à plus tard !
[15:29] <pitti> je vais le voir aussi :)
[15:32] <jibel> pitti, thanks, good luck against Algeria!
[15:32] <vila> pitti: good luck to your team too !
[15:32] <pitti> et le jeu d'Allemagne, bien sûr -- c'est une nuit longue :)
[16:08] <Laney> hmm
[16:08] <Laney> the reason that g_desktop_app_info_new_from_filename is failing is because the Exec lines are referencing executables that can't be found
[16:09] <Laney> relative paths to binaries in private click package directories
[16:14] <desrt> Laney: there's no such thing as relative paths in desktop files...
[16:15] <desrt> although it's been discussed...
[16:15] <Laney> says who?
[16:15] <desrt> says the fact that it's not in the spec and not supported by the implementations
[16:15] <Laney> what's a spec? :)
[16:16] <desrt> and what's an implementation, too, i suppose :)
[16:16] <Laney> I think these things actually get launched by this ubuntu app launch wotsit
[16:16] <Laney> who knows what that does
[16:17] <desrt> something with urls, i think
[16:17] <desrt> :)
[16:18]  * desrt revives prefers_app_menu() patch
[16:18] <Laney> maybe I should just treat these as key files...
[16:18] <desrt> or write to xdg list about getting the spec changed
[16:18] <desrt> i know approximately three people who would probably agree with you
[16:19] <desrt> two of them because they're in this channel and one of them because he requested the same thing
[16:19] <desrt> i'd be happy to land the changes in gio this week if we amend the spec
[16:20] <Laney> hang on
[16:20] <Laney> there appears to be a per-click libdir or something
[16:20] <seb128> pitti, thanks ;-)
[16:21] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7727128/
[17:18] <Laney> wtf
[17:19] <Laney> I launch glade and get asked to take a "user survey"
[17:19] <Laney> is this a joke?
[17:24] <Laney> on that note, ttyl!
[20:51] <robert_ancell> darkxst, did you mean to do a MP for lp:~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/xkb2?
[20:52] <robert_ancell> btw, I think you could have done a bzr push --overwrite on the existing branch too
[23:11] <darkxst> robert_ancell_, yes I ended up overwriting the existing branch
[23:12] <robert_ancell_> darkxst, cool, thanks
[23:12] <robert_ancell_> It's kind of worrying how Launchpad doesn't tell you if approved MPs have their branches overwritten :)