[00:34] <Noskcaj> ahoneybun, Did you package aisleriot for ubuntu or just for the ppa?
[00:34] <Noskcaj> I though you and tim were talking about it a few weeks ago
[00:35] <ahoneybun> Noskcaj, tbh I never got to it as I did not want to really bother tim with question after question
[00:35] <Noskcaj> Feel free to ask me if you need help with packaging
[00:36] <Noskcaj> www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ is also a good place for answers
[00:36] <ahoneybun> it is just I was asking questions that tim helped me with already
[00:38] <ahoneybun> darkxst, how do I renew my membership to the packaging team?
[00:40] <ahoneybun> Noskcaj, it seems a lot of people use different ways of packaging
[00:41] <Noskcaj> Yeah. many different build systems and VCSes can make things confusing
[00:43] <ahoneybun> Noskcaj, would you take me though your process of packaging >
[00:44] <ahoneybun> seems I have no mouse icon on the screen now
[00:44] <Noskcaj> I assume you mean merges, both from debian and upstream
[00:44] <Noskcaj> And having a mouse is usually good ;)
[00:44] <ahoneybun> um maybe
[00:45] <ahoneybun> ok so my mousepad does not work now
[00:47] <Noskcaj> To "package" things, you have a debian/ folder which contains copyright info, what depends the package has, what patches it needs, and instruction for a machine to build the package
[00:48] <ahoneybun> yea
[00:49] <Noskcaj> The instructions we use nowdays are either debhelper (lots of text, advised against), cdbs (few commands, but i find it confusing, and what gnome often uses), and dh (short debhelper, often only a three line file)
[00:50] <Noskcaj> And patches can be either quilt (good), dpatch (bad), or manually done (bad and rare-ish)
[00:51] <ahoneybun> ok back
[01:00] <Noskcaj> ahoneybun, And patches can be either quilt (good), dpatch (bad), or manually done (bad and rare-ish)
[01:01] <Noskcaj> We'll work on merging the new upstream release of clutter-gst-2.0 , so i've got something i can walk you through
[01:02] <Noskcaj> I found it at http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org , where all gnome packages in debian are, and saw our version was not the current one
[01:03] <Noskcaj> First, run bzr branch lp:ubuntu/clutter-gst-2.0 to get the source as it is in ubuntu
[01:05] <Noskcaj> k den
[01:58] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do you get australian cities in the wrong place in ubiquity?
[01:59] <Noskcaj> Sydney's marker points to canberra for me
[05:24] <darkxst> Noskcaj, thats an old old bug
[05:31] <darkxst> Noskcaj, there was https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702194, which would help a lot rather than various apps using various forks of the timezone map!
[06:27] <Noskcaj> darkxst, i'm pretty sure i'd seen an ubuntu bug for it too. thanks for the link
[06:28] <darkxst> Noskcaj, yes there is an ubuntu bug too somewhere, but that is the root cause, the same code has been cut+paste into numerous locations with different changes in each location
[06:28] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:28] <darkxst> ubiquity forked the code from gnome-control-center
[06:29] <darkxst> then indicator-datetime forked the code from ubiquity
[06:29] <darkxst> its just a complete mess
[07:28] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do you know if we're swapping to systemd this cycle? kde seem to need if for upower 0.99
[07:30] <darkxst> Noskcaj, unlikely Ubuntu will, we might if it works well
[07:30] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:30] <darkxst> Phillip's comments don't seem to make sense though
[07:30] <darkxst> device management is pretty independent of systemd
[07:32]  * darkxst wonders if there is some unported code floating around in kde
[07:51] <Noskcaj> darkxst, do we want metacity 3.12?
[07:52] <darkxst> Noskcaj, we don't use that, but edubuntu guys might so check with mitya57 or alberts
[07:52] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:52] <Noskcaj> it seems to be seeded in all flavours
[07:53] <darkxst> Noskcaj, its kinda  a fail-over backup
[07:53] <darkxst> for when compositing doesnt work
[07:53] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:53] <darkxst> gnome-flashback however uses it as the default WM