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OrokuSakiSo if my device is running a CAF kernel.. is this a no go?00:15
OrokuSakiYAY!00:19
OrokuSakiI have a KERNEL_OBJ directory in my out now00:19
OrokuSakiThat should *help*00:19
OrokuSakifor like 10 minutes.. lol00:19
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lotuspsychjegallery app and camera crashing on me05:25
lotuspsychjenexus7 ubuntu-touch devel05:25
lotuspsychjecan you guys fix it?05:25
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michiel81Is this channel purely for android devices/related problems?05:49
RAOFmichiel81: All Ubuntu Touch development; that's the phone, tablet, and converged desktop thingies.05:54
michiel81So purely Ubuntu Touch? not 14.04?05:59
RAOFWell, IIUC we're backporting Unity8 to 14.04 as a development preview tester thingy.06:05
michiel81I'm not that familiar with what's going on.06:32
OrokuSakiI don't think this is as bad as I thought it would be06:52
OrokuSakiI guess with CM11 requiring CAF, this is why?06:52
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dholbachgood morning07:07
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Meteor Watch Day! :-D08:16
CRPLHello. I have a problem with my Nexus4 - it does not correctly route the audio output to my earpice.08:25
CRPLIn calls, if I push the speaker button I can hear that person on the loudspeaker, but not on the earpice.08:26
CRPLAny hopes on fixing this ?08:27
JamesTaitThat sounds familiar.08:27
CRPLYes, I have the same problem on Android, but I use SoundAbout to re-route my audio.08:27
JamesTaitIn fact, described like that, it sounds like a possible explanation for what happened to me yesterday - I didn't think to try loudspeaker, though.08:28
CRPLWhat component of the Ubuntu Phone does the routing of the audio ?08:28
JamesTaitI'm not sure, tbh, I don't know much about the workings at that level.  I think pulseaudio is involved somewhere in the pipeline.08:30
JamesTaitBut that sounds like the problem my wife has with her Nexus 4 - she also has to use SoundAbout to get audio routed correctly, we think because the headset detection switch is faulty.08:31
CRPLI really want to try to get used to Ubuntu Phone, but without the ... phone function, is not a good choice >D08:31
CRPLI'm not really sure if it is hardware issue or software issue08:32
CRPLBut it will be nice to override it08:32
JamesTaitIndeed. :)08:33
CRPLSo, nobody here knows where to debug this ? :(08:34
JamesTaitCRPL, this also reminds me of a bug on the phone a while back, which got fixed.08:37
JamesTaitLet me see if I can find that, it might give some pointers.08:38
CRPLThank you.08:38
pittihello everyone08:45
pittiis there a programmatic way to unlock the screen on the phone? I'd like to do that in the "setup" script for running click tests, so that one can actually see what's going on08:45
pittiI didn't see anything in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing except for "do it manually", but I figure in CI we automatically unlock08:46
pittiogra, vila: ^ perhaps you know?08:48
JamesTaitCRPL, I'm almost totally failing, so far.  The only piece of information I've found that *might* be useful as a starting point is this mailing list post describing the 13.10 audio stack: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg03881.html08:48
JamesTaitCRPL, it might be outdated by now, though.  If ogra_ is around, he'll probably have a better idea.08:48
CRPLFor detecting whether a headphone/headset is plugged in or not, PulseAudio now has code for reading that from the Android kernel, through the "switch" interface [1].08:48
CRPLSo I'll have to wait a little.08:49
CRPLOn the other hand, where do I adjust the volume of the ringtone ?08:49
vilapitti: best best is to try again in #ubuntu-ci-eng when US comes online. There has been *several* attempts to get this right and I've lost track of where it ended up. It's still not at the test level though but part of the device setup prior to the test run.08:50
JamesTaitCRPL, I think just by using the volume buttons from the home screen.08:51
pittivila: right, I'm fine wiht it being on the device setup08:51
* vila nods08:51
pittivila: I figured out a way to run powerd-cli in the background (surprisingly complicated), now looking into screen unlocking, and then seeing whether aa-clickhook needs to be run08:51
CRPLJamesTait: nothing happends when I push volume buttons :D08:51
pittivila: btw, https://plus.google.com/u/0/107564545827215425270/posts/h3K79htx1i3 :)08:52
vilapitti: s\o/08:52
pittivila: looking into some remaining bits of the ssh runner and a manpage for it, then moving to the nova script (that's just reviewing and integrating, jibel already wrote it)08:52
vilaack08:52
JamesTaitCRPL, what about the sound indicator?08:54
CRPLJamesTait: My bad. Was working but I was used to visible pop-ups08:56
JamesTaitCRPL, I thought we had one at one stage, seems to have disappeared again.08:57
pittivila: there's no magic command in the CI airline for that then? I went through phablet-config again, and there's nothing09:01
mptWhere should I report bugs about the startup screen? I don’t see a relevant component listed at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers>.09:01
vilapitti: I don't think there is *a* magical command, rather, I think it's part of ... phablet-test-run (can't remember the exact name), I've not even sure there is an explicit option for it09:02
popeympt: ubuntu-system-settings-wizard09:02
popeympt: feel free to add it to the page ☻09:03
mptpopey, the one with the spinning logo and the progress bar?09:03
mptI thought that had only just landed, whereas this screen has been around for weeks09:03
popeyoh, i thought you meant the first run wizard09:03
pittivila: I don't see it there either09:03
popeympt: i dont know, ricmm will know09:03
vilapitti: :-/09:04
pittivila: unless we run the tests with -n to completely disable the shell (unity8)09:04
pittivila: I suppose stopping unity8 would stop the lock screen, but running app tests without unity8 seems a bit unrealistic to me09:04
CRPLJamesTait: How can I edit a .conf file in the FileManager ?09:05
CRPLor open a file with text editor09:05
vilapitti: yeah, seems a bit extreme ;)09:06
JamesTaitCRPL, I don't know if you can via the GUI, currently.  I've always just used the terminal.09:06
CRPLIs there a shortcut to ~tab~ for long filenames ?09:07
mptpopey, actually that screen appears only after a system image update … It should appear, but doesn’t, on every startup. So maybe it’s part of system-image and shouldn’t be09:08
popeyCRPL: in terminal, yes, tap the screen09:08
CRPLThank you.09:08
vilapitti: from psivaa : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/touch/view/head:/utils/host/reboot-and-unlock.sh holds the info09:12
vila<psivaa> unity8-autopilot has that util09:12
CRPLseems like I can't edit directly the /usr/share/alsa/ucm/apq8064-tabla-snd-card/VoiceCall file09:12
pittivila: ah, /usr/share/unity8/unlock-device -- thanks for pointing out!09:13
CRPLJamesTait: is there any way this could be my bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+bug/127690109:16
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1276901 in alsa-lib (Ubuntu) "alsa-lib: UCM - hammerhead sound doesn't work" [High,Fix released]09:16
CRPLI don't understand the term ~hammerhead ootb~09:16
CRPLI don't think so; that bug affected all the sound09:18
CRPLSo, how can I edit /usr/share/alsa/ucm/apq8064-tabla-snd-card/VoiceCall ?09:18
TassadarCRPL: hammerhead is boardname of Nexus 509:19
JamesTaitCRPL, hammerhead is Nexus 5.  OOTB is Out Of The Box, i.e. unmodified, stock hardware/software.09:19
CRPLOh, that makes sense :D09:19
vilapitti: routing thanks to psivaa ;)09:19
pittipsivaa: cheers!09:19
JamesTaitCRPL, I don't think you'll be able to edit that file under normal circumstances - I think it resides in the read-only part of the system image.09:21
CRPLYes, that's the error (read only fs). That file contains the conflict between Earpiece / Speaker / Headset09:22
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psivaapitti: vila: np :)09:25
JamesTaitCRPL, what version are you running?  I just verified with my Nexus4 running devel r87 that I do get in-call audio through both earpiece and loudspeaker (so it must have beenmy wife's phone having problems yesterday).09:28
CRPLOne hell of a buggy one :)) ... I installed it today09:30
CRPLso I think is the .... last version09:30
CRPLThe stable version has all the features available ? (especially 3g)09:32
JamesTaitCRPL, if you open up system settings, at the bottom of the first pane it says "About this phone" - click that, andabout 2/3 of the way down it'll say "OS: Ubuntu XX.YY (rZZ)"09:33
CRPLWait a second to .... debug / restart ... it was frozen09:34
JamesTaitMeanwhile, I need tea. :)09:34
CRPLUbuntu 14.1009:35
popeyCRPL: i think he means the rZZ bit09:36
CRPLr8709:38
mptIs it just me, or does Ubuntu Touch have no startup screen, except on the first boot when it’s updated?09:40
CRPLmpt: I didn't see that either ... I forced-shutdown my phone several times because I thought it was off09:41
popeympt: whats your definition of startup screen?09:42
mptpopey, the screen appears between the time that the phone is completely off, and the time that the welcome screen appears.09:43
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popeympt: just rebooted my phone and got.. rumble, google logo, slowly rotating ubuntu logo, h09:43
popeys/h/welcome screen/09:44
mptI got the Google logo, but not the rotating Ubuntu logo09:44
mptodd09:44
popeywhat version you running?09:44
popeyr104 here09:44
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mptpopey, r87 … Nothing more recent show up in updates09:46
CRPLmpt: I have r87 and no startup screen either09:46
mpt(that! shows! I can’t type this morning)09:46
popeympt: ok, cool, wait for the next promoted image then09:49
mptok09:50
sergiusenspitti: hmmm, wrt to disabling shell; I got a general request from elopio to look into that for running app tests; you guys might want to sync up09:51
pittisergiusens: why do we want to disable the shell for running app tests? don't some things even interact with it and check notifications and the like?09:52
sergiusenspitti: for unlocking; there's a python script and some unity8 autopilot 'emulators' that do the unlocking after you enable introspection on it09:52
pittisergiusens: FWIW, it seems we don't run with -n (disable shell) in production, but something calls /usr/share/unity8/unlock-device instead09:53
sergiusenspitti: I am not claiming I want it done; just saying elopio was considering it as an option :-)09:53
pittisergiusens: right, psivaa/vila pointed that out now09:53
pittisergiusens: ah, good to know, thanks09:53
popeympt: also, the colour of the new startup rotating logo differs from the colour of the logo you just filed a bug about#09:54
mptLooks like I picked the wrong day to report bugs09:54
popeympt: might be my eyes.. http://imgur.com/HRbQEcm  <- thats the slow spinning boot up animation09:55
mptAw, I was hoping it would be chartreuse09:57
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* popey googles chartreuse09:58
CRPLalso in this build, you cannot set 2 alarms09:58
CRPLat least on my phone09:59
CRPLpopey: the stable version offers full functionality ?09:59
popeyi cant answer that question.10:00
popeystable is old, devel is recent, proposed is bleeding edge10:00
popeyyou are on devel10:00
popeyproposed fixes (and breaks) things in devel & stable10:01
popeybut only if we know about them, can you reproduce the alarm bug?10:01
CRPLYes. I setup an alarm for 6:45 am, and I wanted to setup another to test it10:01
CRPLAnd the second one dosen't get pinned10:02
pittimvo: when I run "apt-get update" on a freshly installed phone, I get messages like10:02
pittiW: Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/utopic/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.140 80]10:02
CRPLor applyed10:02
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pittimvo: indeed these don't exist, only *.bz or *.bz2; but I don't see anything obviously wrong in  /etc/apt/sources.list10:02
pittimvo: is that just an artifact of a read-only file system, or some weird bug?10:02
mvopitti: give me a sec to look into this10:03
CRPLpopey: were you able to replicate that ?10:03
pittimvo: not urgent, I just asked in case you know10:04
mvopitti: it could be that apt does not find a decompressor binary and therefore wants to download the uncompressed version, but that seems dubious10:04
popeyCRPL: trying10:05
popeyCRPL: is it a repeating alarm? can you be more specific about what you did?10:05
CRPLpopey: first one is repeating10:05
CRPLsecond one ... any alarm10:05
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CRPLpopey: it worked now10:06
popeyworks here10:07
CRPLbut I noticed that when I touched the + sign, my screen goes blank for a fraction of a second, and nothing happends .. and only after touching + sign again it opened the alarm add function10:08
CRPLand "please select alarm time in the future" also appeared ..10:08
CRPLWhat if I want to add an alarm for next monday at 1:00 pm10:09
popeyknown issue10:09
CRPLAnd ... how do I delete the alarm I set 2 minutes ago ? >D10:10
CRPLoh10:10
CRPLswipe it10:10
CRPLAnd it will be also good to disable auto-capitalisation on first letter with some apps like terminal10:11
CRPLDoes Ubuntu Phone have email (gmail) integration ? (notifications on new mail arrival)10:16
JamesTaitCRPL, not to my knowledge atm.10:23
popeyCRPL: terminal bug is also known10:23
CRPLAt least I have the earpiece - original bug, not duplicated :))10:24
JamesTaitCRPL, on the face of it, your sound issue sounds like a hardware one to me - r87 is working ootb for most [citation needed] people.10:25
JamesTaitCRPL, can you share the bug number?10:25
CRPLI didn't report it officialy yet ... waiting to confirm it10:26
CRPLIs a known bug in Android OEM10:26
JamesTaitAha!10:26
CRPLJamesTait: how can I temporary restore my backup.ab ?10:31
CRPLadb restore backup.ab10:32
CRPL?10:32
CRPLNow unlock your device and confirm the restore operation.10:34
JamesTaitCRPL, blimey, now you're testing me. :)  I think that's right, yes, but I haven't done it for so long I can't be sure.10:34
CRPLNow unlock your device and confirm the restore operation. - but nothing on the phone10:34
JamesTaitThat sounds right.10:34
CRPLno prompt on phone10:35
JamesTaitExcept, I'm not sure how you confirm the operation if you're running Ubuntu - exactly.10:35
CRPLgoogle is my friend ... :D10:35
JamesTaitMaybe the phone needs to be in recovery mode?10:36
CRPLno adb in recovery mode10:37
CRPLi think10:37
CRPLI think that I need to flash stock and then adb restore10:38
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njinhi fellows, I can't understand why at fast oem unlock phone instead to display request  to acceptance of terms get locked with =>FASTBOOT mode... written, is it normal ?12:08
njinalso terminal still without in working mode (blinking cursor12:11
mandelElleo, do you want to take lp:~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/expose-logger for a spin and let me know if it makes any sense?12:19
mandelElleo, you have a Logger object with an init method that allows you to set the log level to be used by the client lib of the download manager and pass also the file where the logs will be written12:20
mandelElleo, thread safe ofcourse12:20
Elleomandel: okay, will give it a look as soon as I've finished with another issue12:22
mandelElleo, great, ideally this will give you a hand for debugging purposes with the downloads12:22
Elleomandel: yeah, thanks12:22
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njinretried, at 'adb reboot bootloader, phone still with the '=>FASTBOOT mode..' written in the lower corner instead to show the green Android robot, any hint ?12:34
davmor2njin: what are you trying to do?12:35
njindavmor2 thanks, i am following the guide to install utouch12:36
njinunlocking android device step12:37
davmor2njin: do adb reboot bootloader then do sudo fastboot oem unlock12:37
davmor2njin: you need the sudo bit in there for fastboot12:37
njinhow can i set up the sudo bit ?12:38
davmor2njin: you just type sudo fastboot oem unlock in the terminal12:38
davmor2njin: are you trying to do this from an Ubuntu machine?12:39
njinyup, I have already done it but all still locked, terminal with blinking cursor and phone with that written, yup from utopic12:40
njinI arrived to a time of 939 seconds12:40
njinthen decided to hard reboot12:41
njinphone is a clone of xperia12:41
njindavmor2:^^12:41
davmor2njin: I don't know if Ubuntu touch is available for it.  However the oem unlock should work the same way across the board.12:42
njinall the steps of the guide are good till this one..12:43
njindavmor2: no buttons working, only power off, anyway thaks for the help12:45
njinat fastboot devices it reply: mt6572v1_phonefastboot12:48
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davmor2njin: so fastboot is working. So now if you Type sudo fastboot oem unlock what happens now?12:52
njindavmor2: nothing, cursor still blinking and phone stay as the same with that written in the corner,12:55
njindavmor2: previous attempt ( I hard reboot the phone after many time) was ... [sudo] password for njin:12:56
njin...12:56
njinFAILED (status read failed (No such device))12:56
njinfinished. total time: 962.568s12:56
davmor2njin: Are you sure the device is actually locked?12:58
njinnope..., it is a new cheap phone12:58
njincan be it is already unlocked ?12:59
davmor2njin: when you boot into android is there an unlocked padlock on the screen at all?12:59
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njindavemor2: nope, when I boot android it appear the usual locked padlock13:01
ogra_then it is not unlocked13:04
davmor2njin: it might be that you have to go into a special mode to unlock it.  Have a look online and see if there is any different ways to unlock it13:05
njindavmor2, thnaks, i will search then.13:06
njinThanks for the support13:06
ogra_which nexus device is that ?13:06
njinit is a cubot9+ (chinese clone of experia...)13:06
njinc9+13:06
ogra_well, then the instructions will not work at all for yu13:07
njinagra_ ok, I will google, any hint from you '13:07
njin?13:07
ogra_"fastboot oem unlock" is a google invented command that only works on nexus devices13:07
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njinogra_: thanks13:08
ogra_well, "unlock cubot9+ bootloader"13:08
ogra_or "rooting cubot9+ phone" or some such13:08
ogra_(but even if you unlock, are you sure there is even an ubuntu touch image for that device that works ?)13:09
njinogra_: it is not the best but i can unlock it with root genius 8win tool)13:09
njinogra_: If it go bad no matter...13:09
davmor2njin: You don't understand if you won't be able to install the default image using our tools as you phone is not compatible you would need to follow the porting guide to get it installed13:11
njinagra_, davmor2. i go to unlock it on win and come back...thanks to both13:11
njindavmor2, thanks i will ensure before...13:13
mhall119popey: is there a known problem with the gallery in devel images?13:42
popeymhall119: can you be more specific?13:42
mhall119it won't load13:44
mhall119crashes on startup13:44
popeyi dont have a device running devel right now, asking around13:45
mhall119popey: hmm, logs say something about not being able to read image file formats13:46
ogra_mhall119, works fine on #87 for me13:47
ogra_(which is the latest devel image)13:48
sil2100davmor2: ^13:48
mhall119also some actionmanager errors, shm errors, and binding loop errors13:48
ogra_oh13:49
ogra_wait, i run the originally shipped gallery app here13:49
davmor2sil2100: I'm on proposed works fine here13:49
* ogra_ updates ... lets see if it still works then13:49
ogra_mhall119, confirmed ... the update breaks it13:51
ogra_popey, sil2100 ^^13:51
davmor2ogra_, mhall119, sil2100: D'oh it's because it had specific fixes for Qt5.3 I bet they are not compatible with Qt5.2.113:53
ogra_davmor2, yes13:54
popey#87 is still 5.2.1!?13:54
ogra_it should have bumped the framework version13:54
popeywe haven't promoted a 5.3 image yet?13:54
mhall119I think so13:54
davmor2popey: nope because we had the fall out13:54
popeyunfortunate13:55
popeycamera app got a framework bump, gallery didn't13:55
ogra_the last promoted image doesnt have -dev2 ....13:55
mhall119how did this pass testing?13:55
popeymhall119: it wasn't tested on a devel phone13:55
ogra_mhall119, by testing against -proposed13:55
ogra_we need to include that in the future ...13:55
mhall119Yeah13:55
mhall119ogra_: can I revert to the image's preinstalled version?13:57
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sil2100popey: no 5.3 image yet ;/ That's why I said on Friday that the no-promotion state stresses me out13:57
popeymhall119: yes...13:57
sil2100I hope we'll have a promotion today I guess13:57
mhall119How?13:57
popeymhall119: one mo13:57
mhall119Thanks13:57
popeymhall119: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2014-06-23-100001/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1001_armhf.click13:58
popeymhall119: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2014-06-12-100002/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.996_armhf.click13:58
popeygrab either of those older ones13:58
mhall119popey: ok, I'll need to get my laptop out for this...13:59
popeyyou can wget in terminal13:59
popeyhttp://bit.ly/1rPAcTK14:00
popeythats a nice short url for it14:00
mhall119I'm on the phone terminal atm14:00
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popeyyes14:00
popeythats what mean ☻14:00
popeywget http://bit.ly/1rPAcTK14:00
popeypkcon install-local com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.996_armhf.click14:00
popey996 is the one that shipped in the image you have14:01
mhall119i am ssh'd to my home server for irssi14:01
ogra_file a whishlist bug for tab support !14:02
popeyget a pen, write down the url, disconnect from irc... etc14:02
mhall119what's a "pen"?14:03
popeylegacy laptop14:03
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mhall119popey: got it fixed, didn't even need to download anything14:12
mhall119just click register the old version14:12
popeyahh of course14:13
popeyneato14:13
mhall119what's this PayUI in the store?14:14
cwaynemterry: heya, for the life of me i can't get lightdm to pull a conf from /custom, it should be as easy as having a system upstart job that sets XDG_DATA_DIRS, right?14:16
mterrycwayne, yeah...  should be.  Let me see your system job14:16
cwaynemterry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7726655/14:18
mterrycwayne, OK, so one problem is that you are using export instead of initctl set-env --global14:20
cwaynemterry: i tried that as well, and i got an error14:21
cwaynelet me find it14:21
cwaynemterry: initctl: Not permissible to modify PID 1 job environment14:21
mterrycwayne, for testing, you might want to edit /etc/init/lightdm.conf and add an echo for XDG_DATA_DIRS14:21
mterrycwayne, oh interesting, is that only allowed in user sessions?  huh14:21
mterryyup, it is14:22
ogra_yeah14:22
mterrycwayne, so two options: either the lightdm job needs to set XDG_DATA_DIRS for itself, or you need to change the environment of init in the first place14:24
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mhall119mandel: how are we coming on the u-d-m docs?14:25
mandelmhall119, we have 4 branches for review for them, once they are landed you get a doc package :)14:26
ogra_mterry, cant lightdm (or a wrapper) just call "initctl start custom-env" ?14:26
ogra_iirc you are running a special cased user session for it, no ?14:26
ogra_oh, wait, that was split greeter ... ignore me14:26
asachow are scopes started nowadays?14:26
asacis that unity starting those processes?14:27
asacthostr_: Saviq: ^14:27
Saviqasac, the scope registry is spawning them14:27
asacinteresting name for something that spawns something :14:27
asac)14:27
Saviqasac, so make sure to have smart-scopes-proxy and scope-registry started, if you're missing scopes14:27
asacSaviq: i am not missing scopes .. i am missing a way to install a scope that i have in a click and start that to try it14:28
Saviqasac, it's not just spawning them14:28
asacand stop it14:28
Saviqasac, there's ways to do that14:28
Saviqmhr3, can you guide asac ↑?14:28
ogra_just like any other click, no ?14:28
asacSaviq: i dont need the details right now. just on high level14:29
asac1. install click with scope14:29
mterryogra_, but that wouldn't affect the env of lightdm if the lightdm job started custom-env, eh?14:29
asac2. run XXXX with arguments YYYY14:29
Saviqasac, 2. you should be done14:29
asac3. see scope14:29
* cwayne can verify that click-installed scopes work14:29
asac4. kill or restart scope14:29
Saviqasac, is that on your desktop or phone?14:29
asacSaviq: phone14:29
zbenjaminSaviq: you can tell the scope registry to start and bring a scope to the front?14:29
ogra_mterry, well, it wouldnt be able to start it anyway ... that was a thinko ... custom-env is a user session job14:29
Saviqzbenjamin, you can go to the scopes scope and look for it14:29
cwaynemterry: so could i just do a upstart override, or should I just do an MP to lightdm to set that?14:30
mterryogra_, well we wanted to create a system version of it, yeah.  Because we'd like lightdm to see the custom XDG_DATA_DIRS14:30
Saviqasac, what doesn't happen now afaict is that scope-registry does not pick up the newly installed scope unless it's restarted14:30
Saviqzbenjamin, ↑14:30
zbenjaminSaviq: yeah thats the last state i knew about too, but we actually need a way to tell the registry to bring the scope to the front when i press the "Run" button in the IDE14:30
mterrycwayne, I dunno.  How "official" is /custom?14:30
Saviqzbenjamin, then not the registry but the shell14:30
zbenjaminSaviq: ok that would be required too ;)14:30
cwaynemterry: it's our officially supported method of customization14:31
cwayneso, very?14:31
Saviqzbenjamin, I think the right way there would be for the shell to handle scope:/// urls, which we use internally anyway14:31
Saviqzbenjamin, and then you'd open that URL via url dispatcher14:31
asacSaviq: so right now one needs to restart the shelll after installing the click?14:31
ogra_asac, you shouldnt need to14:31
Saviqasac, not the shell but scope-registry14:31
asacSaviq: how do i do that?14:31
* ogra_ installed the soundcloud scope yesterday 14:31
ogra_didnt have to restart14:32
asacreally?14:32
mterrycwayne, (for touch yeah, but what about Desktop / other flavors which all share lightdm?)  regardless, it still feels "hacky" to have one-off each system job we want to see it.  it sounds like this is the first time this has come up though, so maybe we don't have to do it very often14:32
asacogra_: it just showed up?14:32
asacmaybe unity crashed for you?14:32
asac:)14:32
mhr3asac, you don't need to restart anything, installing a scope from the apps store is all that's needed14:32
ogra_you have to search for it14:32
mhr3asac, it will then show up in the scopes scope14:32
asacmhr3: how aobut installing it from the click cli14:32
asacdoes that work too without restart?14:32
ogra_asac, thats what i did14:32
mhr3asac, same14:32
mhr3asac, yes14:32
mterrycwayne, I'm leaning toward an override for now, and we can see if that's sufficient or if we'll eventually need to set it in a more general way14:32
asaczbenjamin: and we need something else?14:33
ogra_search for "soundcloud" in the store ... install it ... search for it on the scopes scope14:33
asaczbenjamin: forcing it to be the one shown at front?14:33
asacmhr3: so someone is listing for changes to files somewhere and if there is a change restarts the regsitry?14:33
zbenjaminasac: yes,  as a developer i want to see my app/scope when i press run14:33
asacmhr3: same for removing and updating a scope click?14:33
mhr3asac, the registry is watching itself14:34
asaczbenjamin: ack, thats the equiv of "to-front" i guess14:34
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asacmhr3: nice14:34
zbenjaminasac: yes14:34
asacmhr3: any trick scope X to the front through a cli?14:34
cwaynemterry: well we could have it check for the existence of /custom first before it's set.. but most everything else is take care of with the session job that does that14:34
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mhr3asac, ehm?14:35
asacmhr3: i have installed scope X14:35
asacmhr3: now i want to see it on my screen without having to touch the screen14:35
asacmhr3: so basically unity-cli --show-scope X14:35
asac:)14:35
mhr3asac, nope, you do have to touch it14:35
asacmhr3: who would have to implement such a feature if we wanted that?14:36
mhr3asac, just simulate the touches?14:36
asacor maybe after installing/updating a scope we want to always go to that scope?14:36
asacmhr3: nah. please not. that doesnt sound right :)14:36
mhr3neither does implementing test-only features :P14:37
asacany other ideas?14:37
asacits not test only14:37
asacwell14:37
mhr3it is14:37
asacyes, but its an essential feature14:37
mhr3you wouldn't want to open that up to confined apps14:37
asacfor a large user group we are targetting14:37
asacmake dveloping scopes and running them easy and convenient14:38
asacyes, you only want to allow that to happen from adb14:38
mhr3that's what the sdk integration with unity-scope-tool is for14:38
asacthrough adb14:38
asacmhr3: thats a tool on the host or on the target?14:38
mhr3host14:38
asacmhr3: that thing seems to be something different14:42
asacmhr3: like a complete test environment running on your host14:42
mhr3yes, that's how you develop a scope14:43
asacmhr3: is the idea we ship that as well on the phone so you can get a test environment to iterate on your scopes?14:43
mhr3no14:43
asacso whats our story to iterate and test your scope on the phone? is that a non-story?14:44
asacmeaning: explicitely decided that devs only iterate on desktop?14:44
mhr3pretty much, you click deploy and that installs the scope on the phone, then it's up to you14:44
asacmhr3: who owns the story how we develop scopes?14:45
asacfrom high level i mean14:45
asacthostr? bzoltan?14:45
mhr3thostr_14:45
asacok thanks14:46
thostr_asac: I only own parts of the story14:47
asaczbenjamin: do we have other SDK main user stories that have no device/emulator story similar to scope?14:47
thostr_asac: we already had a longer discussion with Pat about hte dev story, VP is following that up14:47
asacthostr_: fwiw, i sensed that14:47
zbenjaminasac: the helpers14:48
asachelpers?14:48
asaczbenjamin: whats helpers?14:48
zbenjaminasac: they are small helper applications that give the app a way to have background tasks, like push helper for example14:48
asacthostr_: yeah, me being here is kid of part of that thread14:48
asackind14:48
zbenjaminasac: thats pretty much all i know, other than that they are almost not debuggable/startable because they are triggered by the system14:48
asacthostr_: lets move that discussion for later/elsewhere14:49
thostr_asac: yes14:49
asaczbenjamin: ok, but i doubt we have no real "integarted dev story for those at tall?14:49
zbenjaminasac: no we are still ironing out how we want to integrate them into the process14:49
zbenjaminasac: means there is zero support yet14:49
michiel81Anyone here familiar with installing touch controllers in 14.04 LTS?15:09
bregmamichiel81, what sort of touch controllers?15:13
michiel81USB - resistive15:13
michiel81Hid/vid 1bfd:305015:13
michiel81lsusb shows 'touchpack'15:14
bregmamichiel81, is this a new device (as in, may not have in-kernel device drivers)?15:14
michiel81but it seems to be recognised as a 'tablet input' so i tried adding it to hidusb15:14
michiel81well i got it to 'register input' but i can't get it to calibrate15:15
bregmaare you talking to it directly or through X11?15:15
michiel81yeah15:15
michiel81added the calibration coords to 10-evdev.conf but it doesn't do anything15:15
michiel81Installed xinput calibrator15:16
michiel81used modprobe -r hidusb and added 'quirks' manually15:16
michiel81and when i was able to display the contents/settings from /dev/input/event2 and event3 (forgot the command something with dmesg?)15:17
michiel81it showed 'tablet input' which it is not15:18
bregmawhat does xinput show the device as?15:18
michiel81HID TOUCH HID Touch Panel15:19
michiel81It started showing that twice after the modprobe15:19
michiel81id 13/1415:19
* ogra_ thinks this conversation rather belongs to #ubuntu-x ... not really phone related15:20
michiel81i disabled id13 using xinput disable id=1315:20
bregmaogra_, this channel used to be the Ubuntu touch input support channel, there's lots of docs out there that still convey that15:20
michiel81Ogra, i asked everywhere else and they all pointed me here :P15:20
ogra_bregma, right, we usually redirect people to ubuntu-x though ... since it isnt the touchscreen for X11 channel anymore15:21
michiel81i'm just happy to get a reply :)15:21
michiel81oh ok15:21
michiel81I can also try there, i'm open to suggestions15:21
michiel81it seems to be a hard problem to solve.15:22
michiel81Btw when i use xinput test 14 it does show input and 'button release 1' messages15:22
bregmawell, I'll just suggest setting up a matching rule in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d for MatchUSBID "1bfd:3050" and trick x.org into recognizing it as an evdev device, and see what happens15:22
michiel81And how do i do that exactly?15:23
bregmathen, I guess, take the conversation over to #ubuntu-x15:23
bregmatake a look at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf -- add another stanza15:24
michiel81rebooting now let's see what happens :)15:25
michiel81i'll check in ubuntu-x see if they have an idea. Thank you.15:26
bregmaelopio, was it you I was talking to in Malta about integrating some Unity 7 and Unity 8 desktop tests?15:27
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elopiobregma: yes. Hi.15:34
bregmaelopio, cool, I'm just trying to get plans sorted15:36
michiel81Well i did add the MatchUSBID to the 10-evdev.conf but didn't do much15:42
mhall119yay image promotion!15:46
mhall119r105, here I come15:46
ogra_yep15:46
ogra_:)15:46
* ogra_ is upgrading too 15:46
ogra_getting us the gallery-app back15:46
elopiobregma: I'm the QA guy assigned to unity. So please let me know how can I help with the testing plan and implementation.15:47
ogra_(i'm so curious about the rotation sensor fixes ... battery life should be lots and lots better with it )15:47
* mhall119 is downloading the upgrade from a Microsoft store's wifi :)15:48
ogra_lol15:48
mhall119we have image signing, right?15:48
ogra_show them how it is done right :)15:48
ogra_yes15:48
mhall119they're doing a free code camp with their Kodu environment, my son's taking it15:49
mhall119I'm sitting in the back working :)15:49
ogra_"working"15:49
ogra_:)15:49
mhall119yup, on IRC and social media all day, that's me working :)15:50
ogra_haha15:50
mhall119ironically, I'm also working on our own programmer training material15:51
ogra_heh15:51
dpmhi robru, what are the next steps in getting the qtdeclarative packages from silo 3 uploaded?15:54
robrudpm, once they have passed the acceptance criteria, somebody needs to mark 'testing: done' in the spreadsheet15:55
robrudpm, and then I upload them15:55
dpmrobru, ah, thanks. What's the acceptance criteria?15:55
robrudpm, I dunno, but presumably you have to confirm that this bug is really fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1303746 ;-)15:56
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1303746 in Ubuntu Reminders app "Performance hit when editing sorted lists" [Critical,Fix released]15:56
mhall119the new user setup screens are nice :)15:56
dpmrobru, and who does the testing? I've tested the packages from the silo and I can confirm they fix the bug, but I'm not too familiar with the process or what else needs to be tested15:56
robrudpm, so typically you coordinate this with whoever is listed as the lander for this landing. in this case that's pmcgowan, mzanetti, and rsalveti. I'm not sure why I put my own name on that one15:58
rsalvetidpm: if you tested, move it to tested and ask someone to land15:58
dpmrobru, rsalveti, thanks, I can do that. I did test it and it fixed the bug, I just wasn't sure what else would need to be tested15:59
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dpmlet me test again with image 10516:00
robrudpm, yeah theoretically there should be some kind of document that explains what manual and automatic tests can be run to ensure that the new version does not introduce any new regressions, but I don't know where that document is or if it even exists for this particular package.16:00
mzanettidpm: right.. what was the outcome of the app install problem?16:02
dpmmzanetti, let me update to image 105 and try again16:02
mzanettidpm: I didn't set it to "testing done" because of that16:02
dpmok16:03
taiebotI am testing r105 and i found a bug the keyboard does not come up in the search bar in the dash16:11
bballguy44Hi. Is it possible to apply real time patches to ubuntu 14.04 without rebuilding the kernel?16:11
ogra_taiebot, did you get the new welcome wizard  ?16:14
taiebotYes but it hangs when it set the two wifi and did not see the last two messages as i was pressing skip few times. it just jumped to reboot.16:15
taiebotI am not able to raise the keyboard in any app. :-(16:16
ogra_it should come up after ~45seconds (there is a bug with the welcome screen, davmor2 can point you to it)16:17
taiebotogra: after reboot its ok.16:20
ogra_right, most likely the same bug16:20
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ogra_taiebot, bug 1335917 FYI16:30
ubot5bug 1335917 in ubuntu-keyboard (Ubuntu) "Keyboard takes approximately 45 second to appear after the welcome screen run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133591716:31
taiebotAm i the only one seeing Mundefined in the photo of some of my contacts in the messaging app?16:31
cwaynemterry: this what you had in mind? https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu-touch-session/custom-xdg-data/+merge/22505116:38
mterrycwayne, sure, could work16:39
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mterrya little hard coded...  but since it's a touch-specific ting, that's fine16:39
mterrycwayne, it works for you this way?16:39
cwaynemterry: yerp16:40
robrudpm, so what's the scoop? is silo 3 good to go?16:42
cwayneogra_: got a sec for a quick MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu-touch-session/custom-xdg-data/+merge/22505116:43
ogra_cwayne, approved16:43
dpmrobru, it seems so, I asked popey if he could test it for me, and it works for him. My device seems to have unrelated troubles upgrading to image 105 (I'm using dualboot), but I tested the fix last week. I had another issue with downloading apps from the store, but popey could not reproduce it16:44
dpmrobru, I'd add what I've just said as a comment, but I cannot edit the spreadsheet16:44
taiebotAnyone seeing this with messaging app ? http://uppix.com/f-bug53b1940e0016e3d6.png16:45
taiebotI am talking about the Mundefined on the picture.16:45
ogra_taiebot, nope ... i only get the initials there16:46
cwayneogra_: thanks :)16:47
ogra_taiebot, file a bug ... might be translation related16:47
ogra_(the "M" is correct ... "undefined" isnt16:47
ogra_)16:47
taiebotWeird because the contact app is ok16:47
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taiebothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/messaging-app/+bug/133592716:53
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1335927 in messaging-app "Picture is displaying initials + undefined" [Undecided,New]16:54
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robrudpm, oh ok thanks, I'll add you on the spreadsheet and do the release then, thanks17:03
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popeydavmor2: if you have 5 mins can you help me review https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE#gid=017:11
popey(nexus status link above)17:11
popeyi reviewed it last week and i think it's already pretty up to date17:12
davmor2popey: I'll give it go after tea17:12
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dobeyso, has anyone ported synergy to mir yet? so i can run a synergy client on my phone18:09
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taiebotWill oxide get adblock support ? webbrowser experience on UT is great but it is so different than my pc. I am always suprised (annoyed) to see so many ads on websites.18:32
cwaynecgoldberg: hey, i released my aros app to the store if you wanna try it out.. it's still got issues obviously, but it at least works for the simple stuff19:38
cgoldbergcwayne, sweet.. i'll install tonight :)19:41
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mterrytedg, I'm seeing problems with dbus-test-runner and fakeroot.  That sounds like an issue that has been run into in the past?20:50
thomitedg: Do you know who's working on reducing app startup times?20:57
AskUbuntu_What happened to the Ubutu Touch Browser address box? | http://askubuntu.com/q/49012620:59
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knott_rayscan you put ubuntu touch into geeksphone revolution?22:03
Beldarknott_rays, THe channel header has links to phones and tablets known to work.22:05
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knott_raysthere is no information about it22:13
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knott_rayswhat is the cheapest ubuntu touch phone?22:42
sarnoldif you can find a used nexus 4 it ought not be too expensive..22:45
dobeyknott_rays: i don't think the prices have been announced for the meizu and bq phones yet. if you want a phone now, which you can run ubuntu touch on, the google nexus 4 is the only officially supported phone22:46
knott_raysokay22:47
knott_raysi think that if it would work with geeksphone revolution, i'd go with that one instead..22:47
dobeyknott_rays: feel free to port it then22:57
knott_raysuff..22:59
knott_raysnever ported anything, but i'll try..22:59
knott_rays..if i even get the phone22:59
knott_raysit has an intel atom processor in it..23:01
knott_rayswhat might be the average battery life..?23:21

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