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Kilosmorning peeps05:36
Kiloshi bduk1 05:46
nuvolario/ morning oom Kilos 05:47
nuvolarihi die_held 05:47
Kiloslo nuvolari die_held 05:48
die_heldmorning Kilos!05:51
Kiloshey die_held you gotta greet nuvolari too. is jabberwocky late again or sick?05:54
die_heldWudup nuvolari :)05:57
bduk1More almal05:57
die_heldProbably still sick, not sure whats wrong with the poor guy, been 3weeks now05:57
Kilossjoe05:57
Kiloshi mazal 05:58
mazalMore oom06:00
Squirmmorning all06:11
Kiloshi Squirm 06:12
ThatGraemeGuymorning peeps06:27
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 06:27
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: are you the only one playing at the moment?06:38
Kilosyip i can go off06:38
Kilosthere06:38
ThatGraemeGuyi just want to make a backup of the world quickly06:38
Kilosnp06:39
Kiloswhy dont you want me part off your backup?06:39
Kiloshehe06:39
ThatGraemeGuyserver has to be stopped before you can copy the files safely06:39
Kilosteasing man06:40
ThatGraemeGuyup again thanks06:42
Kiloscool ty06:43
Kilosdont break it now06:43
ThatGraemeGuyi'll write a script later sometime to automatically back up somewhere in the wee hours of the morning06:43
Kilosworking so kiff i can e everywhere06:43
Kiloswrite a script to make lava source06:44
Kilosgame was lonely this weekend, was mainly only me06:44
Symmetriasnoreeee trying to organize my video content06:51
Symmetriaand its taking forever06:52
* Symmetria needs more SSD's when doing this crap06:52
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: why the obsession with lava source? there is an insane amount of it on the map, you can move it with buckets if you want07:00
Kiloslol ive made my own little patch on the black block on the map to see is its more visible07:01
Kiloshttp://mt.donaldson.za.net/07:02
Kilosi see it07:02
mazalI made a rsync job for mine that runs every 4 hours07:08
mazalBut still do a manual every afternoon07:08
ThatGraemeGuymazal: just make sure the server is not running when you take the backup07:08
mazalYep , hence the manual one once a day07:09
ThatGraemeGuyi'll share my script when i get to writing one if you are interested07:10
mazalIs start and stop of the server in your script ?07:10
mazalThe backup part is easy , I use rsync jobs for all my backups. But my server I start the gui way , so don't know how to do that with a script07:11
charl_good morning07:16
Kilosalso im trying to unflood the mines near me, so i dont have to remember to keep coming up for air07:16
Kiloshi charl_ 07:16
charl_Maaz: coffee on07:16
* Maaz washes some mugs07:16
charl_hi Kilos 07:16
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_!07:20
Symmetriaargh why why why do people insist on using rfc1918 address space for bullshit07:31
SymmetriaNAT must *DIE*07:31
charl_hi Symmetria 07:42
Vince-0more mense07:42
charl_hi Vince-0 07:42
charl_Symmetria: agreed but that's why we need ipv6 asap07:43
Symmetriacharl, there is PLENTY of v4 space in africa 07:47
Symmetriapeople just dont want to use it 07:47
Symmetriabecause for some bizarro reason they are saving it for a better time07:47
Symmetriathere is no better time, burn it, use it all, get rid of it, THEN we can actually do v6 because people won't be sitting there going "there is no need, we have v4 forever"07:48
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:48
charl_Symmetria: hmmm, africa would be the only continent with ipv4 reserves, the rest of the world has pretty-much run out already07:54
Symmetriacharl, yes, but africa has *WAY* to much07:55
Symmetriaway way way way to much07:55
charl_sounds like the iana should reclaim a big part of that assignment and give it to other continents that need it more instead ?07:56
charl_like lacnic for example07:57
tinuvai get mails at least every 2nd week asking if people can lease ips from us08:00
tinuvawe like to use it08:00
charl_whow just looking at the ipv6 address report - apnic ran out in 2011, ripe in 2012, lacnic and 2014 and arin is projected to run out in 201508:01
charl_afrinic is only projected to run out in 201908:01
charl_nah afrinic needs to hand over its assignments... ridiculous08:02
charl_use it or lose it08:02
Vince-0Kilos, !08:08
theblazehencharl_: eish..08:09
theblazehenYou mean v4 though?08:10
Kilosoops sorry Vince-0 hi there08:10
Kiloshi tinuva 08:10
theblazehenI don't think v6 will run out that soon..08:10
Kilosah JabberwockyA19 wb08:11
theblazehenhi Kilos 08:11
Kiloshi theblazehen 08:11
Symmetriaipv4 is done08:11
Symmetriaapnic is finished08:11
Symmetriaripe is finished08:11
Symmetrialacnic is finished 08:11
Symmetriaand arin is finished08:11
Symmetriawell, ripe, lacnic and arin are both in whats called soft landing / final exhaustion phase, which is basically finished, lacnic dropped to their last /10 08:11
theblazehendamn..08:12
Symmetriatrust me :) I know the figures very very very well, lol, I sit on the afrinic board ;p08:12
theblazehenSymmetria: last /10 = 2^22 addresses right?08:12
Symmetriayeah08:13
Symmetria64 /16s 08:13
Symmetriabasically a quater of a /808:13
theblazehenyeah08:13
Symmetriawhere as afrinic has 3.2 /8s left08:13
theblazehen3.2 ?08:14
theblazehen3 plus some /16's or something?08:14
Symmetriayeah08:14
Symmetrialol at liquid I'm making a conscious effort to do everything I can to get rid of private space usage, everywhere08:15
JabberwockyA19môre Kilos!08:15
charl_theblazehen: of course ipv4, we're talking about the ipocalypse08:15
Symmetriayou won't even find a private IP at my house :P08:15
* Symmetria runs a /27 worth of public space at his house08:16
charl_Symmetria: you mean the afrinic bored? :)08:16
theblazehencharl_: yeah, i know. "charl_ ? whow just looking at the ipv6 address report"08:16
charl_theblazehen: bah you're right, my bad :P08:16
theblazehenSymmetria: wow.. 08:16
charl_Symmetria: at work we have a /16, every ip (even on wlan) is a public ip08:17
charl_nice for remote access :P08:18
charl_you don't need to vpn into the network first08:18
charl_you can ping my laptop from across the world :)08:18
Symmetriacharl you can ping my tv from the other side of the world08:18
charl_awesome08:18
charl_at home i still have crappy old-school cable modem with nat and no ipv608:19
charl_i want fiber but that isn't available yet where i live :(08:20
charl_but first thing i would ask is "do you have ipv6?"08:20
Symmetriahttp://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/equipment.jpg08:21
Symmetriahttp://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/cabinet.jpg08:21
Symmetriaheh, right hand most cabinet contains the equipment in the equipment photo08:21
Symmetrianext to it is the generator cabinet08:21
Symmetriathats in my back yard :P08:21
charl_nice !08:24
charl_now we're talking08:24
Symmetriaboth of those fibers go straight into the backbone08:24
Symmetriano limits, no shaping, no bugger all :P08:24
charl_ftth ftw :)08:25
Symmetrialol, my office pc even has a seperate vlan interface that puts it on the same network as my house :P08:25
charl_whow ! no vpn either :P08:25
Symmetriaso effectively my house and my office workstation are on the same lan :P08:25
Symmetriacharl haha same broadcast domain08:25
charl_it's cool to work at an isp :P08:26
Symmetriawe'll be upgrading the entire thing shortly and those 2 x 1G's will be upgraded to 2 x 10G's08:27
charl_will last you a couple of years i'm sure :P08:28
charl_you're in kenya right ?08:29
Symmetriayeah08:39
Symmetriaurgh09:26
Symmetriahow the hell do I install a package on one of the rpm based distros 09:26
Symmetriaidiots who dont install boxes on ubuntu like I tell them to09:26
theblazehenSymmetria: yum install $PACKAGE ?09:31
Symmetriahrm09:37
Symmetriaok someone on a decent net connection09:37
Symmetriago to www.speedtest.net 09:37
Symmetriafind kenya on the map09:37
Symmetriaand run some tests to the liquid server there09:37
Symmetriaand lemme know results 09:37
Symmetria(latency/speed)09:38
ThatGraemeGuymmm09:42
ThatGraemeGuyspeedtest CLI script doesn't tell me latency09:42
Symmetriawell gimme speeds :)09:42
charl_Symmetria: i'll PM you09:42
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://slexy.org/raw/s2Q6F62Qqg09:43
Symmetriathats not bad, 51 down09:43
ThatGraemeGuywe have a gigabit into AfricaINX and IS there but the box I ran that from is on a 100Mbit link09:43
ThatGraemeGuycurrently running on IS afaik09:44
Symmetriathough I think the latency is probably slowing it down if you aint tweaked the stack09:44
ThatGraemeGuyi'm not in the networks team09:44
ThatGraemeGuyif you give me an IP i can run mtr for a bit if you want09:45
Symmetriaheh, run a trace to 197.155.81.33 and paste it to me :)09:45
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://slexy.org/raw/s20SsvQAfv09:48
Symmetriaheh not a bad latency from .za to my house :P09:52
ThatGraemeGuy:-)09:53
Kilosgraeme have you got lots of obsidian?10:04
Kilosthen ill make the roads black and ill see them on the map10:05
Kilosoh my i forgot im on irc ThatGraemeGuy 10:13
ThatGraemeGuythe roads are already on the map10:16
Kilosin white that i cant see10:18
Kilossigh10:19
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Golynxi cant seem to fix ubuntu14:08
Kiloswhats wrong with it14:08
Golynxfixing it from dual boot 14:09
Golynxwith single install it was easy14:09
Golynxtried booting in recovery mode and terminal is gone14:09
Kilosdoes ctrl+alt+t work on xfce14:10
Golynxcan i reinstall it ubuntu from the same partition without hurting windows ?14:11
Golynxxfce is not loading nothing is loading14:11
Golynxno terminal nothing14:11
Kilosyes you can but lets see if we can fix it14:11
Kilostry ctrl+alt+f314:11
Golynxi already tried commands i got from forums its not working14:12
Golynxctrl+alt+f1 not working either14:13
Golynxmouse dead , keyboard dead, graphics not detected etc...14:13
Kilosyes you can reinstall. without hurting windows14:14
Kilosyou have your archives saved14:14
Golynxthis happened because i tried dpkg all the files in the archives folder14:15
Kilosjust boot into dvd go with the install route and delete the ubuntu partion and install there14:15
Golynxbut it already had the drivers installed14:15
Golynxhmm, are you sure it wont hurt windows14:15
Kilosshould be a few linux partitions14:16
Kilosya14:16
Kilosbut i dont control what you are doing so i dunno there14:16
Golynxwhat do i use to delete the ubuntu partition14:16
Kilosive done it here a few times14:16
Golynxgparted ?14:17
Kilosgparted14:17
Golynxok14:17
Kilosyou can also delete it with a windows dvd14:17
Kiloshehe14:17
Golynxso it will still dual boot and stuff14:17
Kilosya14:18
Kilosim doing that here14:18
Kilosfirst 30g is xp14:18
Kilosto use up the faulty disc areas14:18
Golynxok, i will delete ubuntu partition then reinstall it in the space that is left14:19
Kilosbut on going the install route it should get to partitioning anyway14:19
Kilosno need to run live and then use gparted14:20
Golynxhuh ? i dont understand now14:20
Golynxi have to use the dvd to remove the ubuntu on disk14:20
Golynxi cant do it with the installed ubuntu14:21
Kilosyou boot from ubuntu dvd or cd14:21
Kilosthen choose install then you will get to install alongside or other options14:21
Kilosmaybe advanced14:22
Kilosand it will show partitions and you can then do your thing14:22
Golynxthen gparted shows the windows and ubuntu partitions , then i delete the ubuntu partition, then i install alongside windows and move the slider to choose the amount of space on disk for ubuntu to install to14:22
Golynxthats the way 14:23
Kilosya14:23
Golynxok bbl14:24
Kiloshi  arnaud 15:14
arnaudhi Kilos 15:14
Kiloswhats broken?15:14
arnaudnothing15:15
Kilosyay i just died15:15
arnaudhein ????15:15
Kilosgot a flow of lava on my head15:16
arnaudflow of lava ? you serious ?15:16
Kilosminetest15:16
arnaud:D15:16
Kiloshaha15:16
Kilosi love that game15:16
arnaudnever tried it before15:17
Kilosvery addictive15:17
Kilosand free id you aint got 3g costs killing you15:17
Kilosif15:17
Kiloshi Private_User yoyo again i see16:25
magespawngood evening all18:24
magespawnKilos whats up?18:25
Kiloshi magespawn how are you?18:25
magespawngood and you?18:26
Golynxthis sucks18:26
Kilosdid they fix you?18:26
Kiloswhat now Golynx 18:26
Golynxwhy didnt ubuntu make for any package version to be installed when you want18:26
magespawnhave way Kilos18:26
magespawnhalf18:26
Golynxbroken packages is the problem18:26
Kilosai! half way18:27
superflyGolynx: huh? what do you mean?18:27
Kiloswhere are they getting broken Golynx 18:27
Golynxfix broken packages wont fix the issues18:27
magespawnah yes, but it is the painful part 18:27
Golynxthr url's where the packages are are 404 not found18:28
Golynxthe*18:28
Kilosthere is an apt-get --fixbroken but im not sure of the correct words18:28
Kilosah magespawn so the painful part is done?18:28
Golynxalready tried that command , not working18:28
magespawnwell i am not in pain anymore so that is good18:28
KilosGolynx, move your repo18:29
GolynxKillos what you mean18:29
magespawnGolynx, the urls might be correct but you might not be able to get to tehm18:29
Kilosi had some probs with the local one not getting 3 files last night so i went to main18:29
Kiloslook in synaptic for repositories18:30
Golynxi used sudo dpkg -i *.deb  to reinstall from my backedup packages18:31
Golynxmost of the stuff works but few are broken18:31
Kilosthen remove them and use gdebi to install them again18:32
superflysudo apt-get -f install18:32
superflysudo apt-get dist-upgrade18:32
superflyrun those two until they both say everything is fine18:33
Kilosthey most likely broken in where you saved them to dvd18:33
superflyGolynx: eish!18:33
Golynxgdebi wont install many packages with dependencies , it always wana go online to download the rest18:33
magespawnhi superfly18:33
superflyGolynx: never use dpkg unless you really know what you're doing. it doesn't do dependency management, so you're inflicting a broken system on yourself18:33
superflyhi magespawn, how goes? how's the family?18:33
Golynxok thanks18:34
Kilosty superfly 18:35
magespawnthey are all good thanks18:35
magespawnhow is your family? the little guy?18:35
superflyGolynx: also, za.archive.... is sometimes broken. I've taken to using the main repos18:35
Kiloshaha magespawn zak comes to minetest as well18:35
superflymagespawn: all good, thanks. the boys are boyish as ever18:35
Golynxok superfly18:37
KilosMaaz, seen inetpro_ 18:39
MaazKilos: inetpro_ was last seen 4 months, 26 days, 14 hours, 5 minutes and 33 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-02-03 20:33:51 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-06-28 17:21:17 PDT18:39
Kilosai!18:39
KilosMaaz, seen inetpro_ 18:39
MaazKilos: inetpro_ was last seen 4 months, 26 days, 14 hours, 6 minutes and 6 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-02-03 20:33:51 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-06-28 17:21:17 PDT18:39
magespawnsuperfly, that is a good thing18:40
KilosMaaz, seen inetpro18:40
MaazKilos: inetpro was last seen 3 days, 22 hours, 51 minutes and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-06-26 12:49:07 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-06-28 17:23:53 PDT18:40
magespawnthats better18:40
Kiloswow18:40
Kilosinetpro_, ping18:40
Kilosyou got a tail18:40
Kiloshe is getting scarcer all the time18:41
magespawnmight be busy, it happens sometimes18:41
Kilosdid i greet you today superfly ?18:42
superflyKilos: i was so busy today, i wasn't even on my computer... so i don't really know18:42
Kiloswell hello anyway18:42
Golynxin the 21st century people dont care about greeting anymore18:43
Kiloswe do18:43
Golynxonly in the business world18:43
Kilosyou also gotta learn to greet before complaining18:44
Kilosmanners maketh the man18:44
Golynxthe future is looking dark in terms of manners and formal stuff18:44
Kilosits because peeps are allowing it to happen18:45
Golynxja true18:45
Kiloswe should add to next agenda if someone comes online for help and doesnt greet first just ignore them18:45
Kilosmeng jou met semels dan vreet die varke jou18:46
magespawnmost people get the idea if you greet them even if they have not18:46
Golynxbut we cannot stop change though, if the masses dont do it then the few that do will soon be overwhelmed18:46
Kiloswe dont have the masses here so lets keep our channel decent18:47
Golynxsure18:47
magespawneven if the masses do not, then you have greater standing than those who do not18:48
Golynxand spelling perfect :D18:48
Kiloshi Golynx is you ubuntu fixed now18:48
Kiloslol i use lotsa funny words like lotsa18:48
Golynxits broken Kilos18:48
Kilosstill18:48
Golynxlots of !!!18:49
Kilosya that18:49
magespawnslang has it's place too18:49
Golynxnot ty - thank you !!!18:49
superflyGolynx: what does "sudo apt-get -f install" say?18:49
Kiloshehe18:49
superflymagespawn: yes, in the dustbin18:49
Kiloseish superfly 18:49
superflymb u cn ndrstnd wt m syn?18:50
Kiloshuh18:50
Golynxsuperfly i know it can be fixed, but dont have the data right now18:50
superflyExactly.18:50
magespawnthat is not slang, that is just being lazy18:50
Kilosbut you unnerstand lotsa?18:50
Kiloshehe18:50
Golynxbut it is working fine 18:50
superflyGolynx: did you copy the pacakges you have into /var/cache/apt/archives ?18:50
superfly*packages18:51
Golynxsuperfly yes, but synaptic showed different versions18:51
KilosGolynx, didnt gdebi sort that last time18:54
Kilosit will tell you there is a later version available online but you dont need to go that way18:55
Kilosyou can install each package independantly18:56
GolynxKilos nope, last time i was lucky the downloads needed were very little and many packages didnt change versions from synaptic18:56
Kilosit will first want dependancies then you do them first18:56
Kilosit really sucks being limited with data hey18:58
Kilosscream for free wifi18:58
Golynxno problem, aslong as windows works i can try fix ubuntu in time18:59
Golynxlol18:59
Kilosor take you lappy to spors or one of them and have a cup of coffee and use their wifi18:59
Kilosspurs18:59
Kilossuperfly, is the big boat finished?19:00
Golynxhaha i'm not that desperate :p19:00
Kilosno anchor or harpoons in place19:00
superflyKilos: yes, as far as I had though19:01
superflyKilos: well, originally it was just going to be a merchant ship... but other people had other ideas19:01
Kilosoh other peeps19:01
Kilosoh my19:01
Kilosmagespawn, have you seen the ship?19:02
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 19:02
magespawnno, what ship is that?19:02
Golynxwhy is use of python 3x lagging so behind19:02
ThatGraemeGuy'lo 'lo19:03
Kilosin minetest19:03
Kilosits a beaut19:03
magespawni will have look when i can19:03
Golynxno py3exe sucks19:04
magespawnGolynx, maybe because those who have written programs in 2.x do not have the time to move them across. are the two interchangeable?19:04
Golynxmagespawn some things are similar some not , which will break the program in a different version in python. i hate the print "mytext" instead of print("mytext")   19:08
magespawni do not know enough to be able to comment19:09
Golynxi do not know enough of python 2x to be able to live with it lol19:11
magespawnha19:15
Kiloskeep well magespawn , look after you man19:23
Kilosnight all . sleep tight19:23
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