[05:36] <Kilos> morning peeps
[05:46] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[05:47] <nuvolari> o/ morning oom Kilos 
[05:47] <nuvolari> hi die_held 
[05:48] <Kilos> lo nuvolari die_held 
[05:51] <die_held> morning Kilos!
[05:54] <Kilos> hey die_held you gotta greet nuvolari too. is jabberwocky late again or sick?
[05:57] <die_held> Wudup nuvolari :)
[05:57] <bduk1> More almal
[05:57] <die_held> Probably still sick, not sure whats wrong with the poor guy, been 3weeks now
[05:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:58] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:00] <mazal> More oom
[06:11] <Squirm> morning all
[06:12] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: are you the only one playing at the moment?
[06:38] <Kilos> yip i can go off
[06:38] <Kilos> there
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just want to make a backup of the world quickly
[06:39] <Kilos> np
[06:39] <Kilos> why dont you want me part off your backup?
[06:39] <Kilos> hehe
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> server has to be stopped before you can copy the files safely
[06:40] <Kilos> teasing man
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> up again thanks
[06:43] <Kilos> cool ty
[06:43] <Kilos> dont break it now
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll write a script later sometime to automatically back up somewhere in the wee hours of the morning
[06:43] <Kilos> working so kiff i can e everywhere
[06:44] <Kilos> write a script to make lava source
[06:44] <Kilos> game was lonely this weekend, was mainly only me
[06:51] <Symmetria> snoreeee trying to organize my video content
[06:52] <Symmetria> and its taking forever
[06:52]  * Symmetria needs more SSD's when doing this crap
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: why the obsession with lava source? there is an insane amount of it on the map, you can move it with buckets if you want
[07:01] <Kilos> lol ive made my own little patch on the black block on the map to see is its more visible
[07:02] <Kilos> http://mt.donaldson.za.net/
[07:02] <Kilos> i see it
[07:08] <mazal> I made a rsync job for mine that runs every 4 hours
[07:08] <mazal> But still do a manual every afternoon
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: just make sure the server is not running when you take the backup
[07:09] <mazal> Yep , hence the manual one once a day
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll share my script when i get to writing one if you are interested
[07:10] <mazal> Is start and stop of the server in your script ?
[07:11] <mazal> The backup part is easy , I use rsync jobs for all my backups. But my server I start the gui way , so don't know how to do that with a script
[07:16] <charl_> good morning
[07:16] <Kilos> also im trying to unflood the mines near me, so i dont have to remember to keep coming up for air
[07:16] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[07:16] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:16] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[07:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:31] <Symmetria> argh why why why do people insist on using rfc1918 address space for bullshit
[07:31] <Symmetria> NAT must *DIE*
[07:42] <charl_> hi Symmetria 
[07:42] <Vince-0> more mense
[07:42] <charl_> hi Vince-0 
[07:43] <charl_> Symmetria: agreed but that's why we need ipv6 asap
[07:47] <Symmetria> charl, there is PLENTY of v4 space in africa 
[07:47] <Symmetria> people just dont want to use it 
[07:47] <Symmetria> because for some bizarro reason they are saving it for a better time
[07:48] <Symmetria> there is no better time, burn it, use it all, get rid of it, THEN we can actually do v6 because people won't be sitting there going "there is no need, we have v4 forever"
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:54] <charl_> Symmetria: hmmm, africa would be the only continent with ipv4 reserves, the rest of the world has pretty-much run out already
[07:55] <Symmetria> charl, yes, but africa has *WAY* to much
[07:55] <Symmetria> way way way way to much
[07:56] <charl_> sounds like the iana should reclaim a big part of that assignment and give it to other continents that need it more instead ?
[07:57] <charl_> like lacnic for example
[08:00] <tinuva> i get mails at least every 2nd week asking if people can lease ips from us
[08:00] <tinuva> we like to use it
[08:01] <charl_> whow just looking at the ipv6 address report - apnic ran out in 2011, ripe in 2012, lacnic and 2014 and arin is projected to run out in 2015
[08:01] <charl_> afrinic is only projected to run out in 2019
[08:02] <charl_> nah afrinic needs to hand over its assignments... ridiculous
[08:02] <charl_> use it or lose it
[08:08] <Vince-0> Kilos, !
[08:09] <theblazehen> charl_: eish..
[08:10] <theblazehen> You mean v4 though?
[08:10] <Kilos> oops sorry Vince-0 hi there
[08:10] <Kilos> hi tinuva 
[08:10] <theblazehen> I don't think v6 will run out that soon..
[08:11] <Kilos> ah JabberwockyA19 wb
[08:11] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[08:11] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[08:11] <Symmetria> ipv4 is done
[08:11] <Symmetria> apnic is finished
[08:11] <Symmetria> ripe is finished
[08:11] <Symmetria> lacnic is finished 
[08:11] <Symmetria> and arin is finished
[08:11] <Symmetria> well, ripe, lacnic and arin are both in whats called soft landing / final exhaustion phase, which is basically finished, lacnic dropped to their last /10 
[08:12] <theblazehen> damn..
[08:12] <Symmetria> trust me :) I know the figures very very very well, lol, I sit on the afrinic board ;p
[08:12] <theblazehen> Symmetria: last /10 = 2^22 addresses right?
[08:13] <Symmetria> yeah
[08:13] <Symmetria> 64 /16s 
[08:13] <Symmetria> basically a quater of a /8
[08:13] <theblazehen> yeah
[08:13] <Symmetria> where as afrinic has 3.2 /8s left
[08:14] <theblazehen> 3.2 ?
[08:14] <theblazehen> 3 plus some /16's or something?
[08:14] <Symmetria> yeah
[08:15] <Symmetria> lol at liquid I'm making a conscious effort to do everything I can to get rid of private space usage, everywhere
[08:15] <JabberwockyA19> môre Kilos!
[08:15] <charl_> theblazehen: of course ipv4, we're talking about the ipocalypse
[08:15] <Symmetria> you won't even find a private IP at my house :P
[08:16]  * Symmetria runs a /27 worth of public space at his house
[08:16] <charl_> Symmetria: you mean the afrinic bored? :)
[08:16] <theblazehen> charl_: yeah, i know. "charl_ ? whow just looking at the ipv6 address report"
[08:16] <charl_> theblazehen: bah you're right, my bad :P
[08:16] <theblazehen> Symmetria: wow.. 
[08:17] <charl_> Symmetria: at work we have a /16, every ip (even on wlan) is a public ip
[08:18] <charl_> nice for remote access :P
[08:18] <charl_> you don't need to vpn into the network first
[08:18] <charl_> you can ping my laptop from across the world :)
[08:18] <Symmetria> charl you can ping my tv from the other side of the world
[08:18] <charl_> awesome
[08:19] <charl_> at home i still have crappy old-school cable modem with nat and no ipv6
[08:20] <charl_> i want fiber but that isn't available yet where i live :(
[08:20] <charl_> but first thing i would ask is "do you have ipv6?"
[08:21] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/equipment.jpg
[08:21] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/cabinet.jpg
[08:21] <Symmetria> heh, right hand most cabinet contains the equipment in the equipment photo
[08:21] <Symmetria> next to it is the generator cabinet
[08:21] <Symmetria> thats in my back yard :P
[08:24] <charl_> nice !
[08:24] <charl_> now we're talking
[08:24] <Symmetria> both of those fibers go straight into the backbone
[08:24] <Symmetria> no limits, no shaping, no bugger all :P
[08:25] <charl_> ftth ftw :)
[08:25] <Symmetria> lol, my office pc even has a seperate vlan interface that puts it on the same network as my house :P
[08:25] <charl_> whow ! no vpn either :P
[08:25] <Symmetria> so effectively my house and my office workstation are on the same lan :P
[08:25] <Symmetria> charl haha same broadcast domain
[08:26] <charl_> it's cool to work at an isp :P
[08:27] <Symmetria> we'll be upgrading the entire thing shortly and those 2 x 1G's will be upgraded to 2 x 10G's
[08:28] <charl_> will last you a couple of years i'm sure :P
[08:29] <charl_> you're in kenya right ?
[08:39] <Symmetria> yeah
[09:26] <Symmetria> urgh
[09:26] <Symmetria> how the hell do I install a package on one of the rpm based distros 
[09:26] <Symmetria> idiots who dont install boxes on ubuntu like I tell them to
[09:31] <theblazehen> Symmetria: yum install $PACKAGE ?
[09:37] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:37] <Symmetria> ok someone on a decent net connection
[09:37] <Symmetria> go to www.speedtest.net 
[09:37] <Symmetria> find kenya on the map
[09:37] <Symmetria> and run some tests to the liquid server there
[09:37] <Symmetria> and lemme know results 
[09:38] <Symmetria> (latency/speed)
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> speedtest CLI script doesn't tell me latency
[09:42] <Symmetria> well gimme speeds :)
[09:42] <charl_> Symmetria: i'll PM you
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/raw/s2Q6F62Qqg
[09:43] <Symmetria> thats not bad, 51 down
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> we have a gigabit into AfricaINX and IS there but the box I ran that from is on a 100Mbit link
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> currently running on IS afaik
[09:44] <Symmetria> though I think the latency is probably slowing it down if you aint tweaked the stack
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not in the networks team
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you give me an IP i can run mtr for a bit if you want
[09:45] <Symmetria> heh, run a trace to 197.155.81.33 and paste it to me :)
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/raw/s20SsvQAfv
[09:52] <Symmetria> heh not a bad latency from .za to my house :P
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-)
[10:04] <Kilos> graeme have you got lots of obsidian?
[10:05] <Kilos> then ill make the roads black and ill see them on the map
[10:13] <Kilos> oh my i forgot im on irc ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> the roads are already on the map
[10:18] <Kilos> in white that i cant see
[10:19] <Kilos> sigh
[14:08] <Golynx> i cant seem to fix ubuntu
[14:08] <Kilos> whats wrong with it
[14:09] <Golynx> fixing it from dual boot 
[14:09] <Golynx> with single install it was easy
[14:09] <Golynx> tried booting in recovery mode and terminal is gone
[14:10] <Kilos> does ctrl+alt+t work on xfce
[14:11] <Golynx> can i reinstall it ubuntu from the same partition without hurting windows ?
[14:11] <Golynx> xfce is not loading nothing is loading
[14:11] <Golynx> no terminal nothing
[14:11] <Kilos> yes you can but lets see if we can fix it
[14:11] <Kilos> try ctrl+alt+f3
[14:12] <Golynx> i already tried commands i got from forums its not working
[14:13] <Golynx> ctrl+alt+f1 not working either
[14:13] <Golynx> mouse dead , keyboard dead, graphics not detected etc...
[14:14] <Kilos> yes you can reinstall. without hurting windows
[14:14] <Kilos> you have your archives saved
[14:15] <Golynx> this happened because i tried dpkg all the files in the archives folder
[14:15] <Kilos> just boot into dvd go with the install route and delete the ubuntu partion and install there
[14:15] <Golynx> but it already had the drivers installed
[14:15] <Golynx> hmm, are you sure it wont hurt windows
[14:16] <Kilos> should be a few linux partitions
[14:16] <Kilos> ya
[14:16] <Kilos> but i dont control what you are doing so i dunno there
[14:16] <Golynx> what do i use to delete the ubuntu partition
[14:16] <Kilos> ive done it here a few times
[14:17] <Golynx> gparted ?
[14:17] <Kilos> gparted
[14:17] <Golynx> ok
[14:17] <Kilos> you can also delete it with a windows dvd
[14:17] <Kilos> hehe
[14:17] <Golynx> so it will still dual boot and stuff
[14:18] <Kilos> ya
[14:18] <Kilos> im doing that here
[14:18] <Kilos> first 30g is xp
[14:18] <Kilos> to use up the faulty disc areas
[14:19] <Golynx> ok, i will delete ubuntu partition then reinstall it in the space that is left
[14:19] <Kilos> but on going the install route it should get to partitioning anyway
[14:20] <Kilos> no need to run live and then use gparted
[14:20] <Golynx> huh ? i dont understand now
[14:20] <Golynx> i have to use the dvd to remove the ubuntu on disk
[14:21] <Golynx> i cant do it with the installed ubuntu
[14:21] <Kilos> you boot from ubuntu dvd or cd
[14:21] <Kilos> then choose install then you will get to install alongside or other options
[14:22] <Kilos> maybe advanced
[14:22] <Kilos> and it will show partitions and you can then do your thing
[14:22] <Golynx> then gparted shows the windows and ubuntu partitions , then i delete the ubuntu partition, then i install alongside windows and move the slider to choose the amount of space on disk for ubuntu to install to
[14:23] <Golynx> thats the way 
[14:23] <Kilos> ya
[14:24] <Golynx> ok bbl
[15:14] <Kilos> hi  arnaud 
[15:14] <arnaud> hi Kilos 
[15:14] <Kilos> whats broken?
[15:15] <arnaud> nothing
[15:15] <Kilos> yay i just died
[15:15] <arnaud> hein ????
[15:16] <Kilos> got a flow of lava on my head
[15:16] <arnaud> flow of lava ? you serious ?
[15:16] <Kilos> minetest
[15:16] <arnaud> :D
[15:16] <Kilos> haha
[15:16] <Kilos> i love that game
[15:17] <arnaud> never tried it before
[15:17] <Kilos> very addictive
[15:17] <Kilos> and free id you aint got 3g costs killing you
[15:17] <Kilos> if
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Private_User yoyo again i see
[18:24] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:25] <magespawn> Kilos whats up?
[18:25] <Kilos> hi magespawn how are you?
[18:26] <magespawn> good and you?
[18:26] <Golynx> this sucks
[18:26] <Kilos> did they fix you?
[18:26] <Kilos> what now Golynx 
[18:26] <Golynx> why didnt ubuntu make for any package version to be installed when you want
[18:26] <magespawn> have way Kilos
[18:26] <magespawn> half
[18:26] <Golynx> broken packages is the problem
[18:27] <Kilos> ai! half way
[18:27] <superfly> Golynx: huh? what do you mean?
[18:27] <Kilos> where are they getting broken Golynx 
[18:27] <Golynx> fix broken packages wont fix the issues
[18:27] <magespawn> ah yes, but it is the painful part 
[18:28] <Golynx> thr url's where the packages are are 404 not found
[18:28] <Golynx> the*
[18:28] <Kilos> there is an apt-get --fixbroken but im not sure of the correct words
[18:28] <Kilos> ah magespawn so the painful part is done?
[18:28] <Golynx> already tried that command , not working
[18:28] <magespawn> well i am not in pain anymore so that is good
[18:29] <Kilos> Golynx, move your repo
[18:29] <Golynx> Killos what you mean
[18:29] <magespawn> Golynx, the urls might be correct but you might not be able to get to tehm
[18:29] <Kilos> i had some probs with the local one not getting 3 files last night so i went to main
[18:30] <Kilos> look in synaptic for repositories
[18:31] <Golynx> i used sudo dpkg -i *.deb  to reinstall from my backedup packages
[18:31] <Golynx> most of the stuff works but few are broken
[18:32] <Kilos> then remove them and use gdebi to install them again
[18:32] <superfly> sudo apt-get -f install
[18:32] <superfly> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:33] <superfly> run those two until they both say everything is fine
[18:33] <Kilos> they most likely broken in where you saved them to dvd
[18:33] <superfly> Golynx: eish!
[18:33] <Golynx> gdebi wont install many packages with dependencies , it always wana go online to download the rest
[18:33] <magespawn> hi superfly
[18:33] <superfly> Golynx: never use dpkg unless you really know what you're doing. it doesn't do dependency management, so you're inflicting a broken system on yourself
[18:33] <superfly> hi magespawn, how goes? how's the family?
[18:34] <Golynx> ok thanks
[18:35] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[18:35] <magespawn> they are all good thanks
[18:35] <magespawn> how is your family? the little guy?
[18:35] <superfly> Golynx: also, za.archive.... is sometimes broken. I've taken to using the main repos
[18:35] <Kilos> haha magespawn zak comes to minetest as well
[18:35] <superfly> magespawn: all good, thanks. the boys are boyish as ever
[18:37] <Golynx> ok superfly
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, seen inetpro_ 
[18:39] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro_ was last seen 4 months, 26 days, 14 hours, 5 minutes and 33 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-02-03 20:33:51 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-06-28 17:21:17 PDT
[18:39] <Kilos> ai!
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, seen inetpro_ 
[18:39] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro_ was last seen 4 months, 26 days, 14 hours, 6 minutes and 6 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-02-03 20:33:51 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-06-28 17:21:17 PDT
[18:40] <magespawn> superfly, that is a good thing
[18:40] <Kilos> Maaz, seen inetpro
[18:40] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 3 days, 22 hours, 51 minutes and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-06-26 12:49:07 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-06-28 17:23:53 PDT
[18:40] <magespawn> thats better
[18:40] <Kilos> wow
[18:40] <Kilos> inetpro_, ping
[18:40] <Kilos> you got a tail
[18:41] <Kilos> he is getting scarcer all the time
[18:41] <magespawn> might be busy, it happens sometimes
[18:42] <Kilos> did i greet you today superfly ?
[18:42] <superfly> Kilos: i was so busy today, i wasn't even on my computer... so i don't really know
[18:42] <Kilos> well hello anyway
[18:43] <Golynx> in the 21st century people dont care about greeting anymore
[18:43] <Kilos> we do
[18:43] <Golynx> only in the business world
[18:44] <Kilos> you also gotta learn to greet before complaining
[18:44] <Kilos> manners maketh the man
[18:44] <Golynx> the future is looking dark in terms of manners and formal stuff
[18:45] <Kilos> its because peeps are allowing it to happen
[18:45] <Golynx> ja true
[18:45] <Kilos> we should add to next agenda if someone comes online for help and doesnt greet first just ignore them
[18:46] <Kilos> meng jou met semels dan vreet die varke jou
[18:46] <magespawn> most people get the idea if you greet them even if they have not
[18:46] <Golynx> but we cannot stop change though, if the masses dont do it then the few that do will soon be overwhelmed
[18:47] <Kilos> we dont have the masses here so lets keep our channel decent
[18:47] <Golynx> sure
[18:48] <magespawn> even if the masses do not, then you have greater standing than those who do not
[18:48] <Golynx> and spelling perfect :D
[18:48] <Kilos> hi Golynx is you ubuntu fixed now
[18:48] <Kilos> lol i use lotsa funny words like lotsa
[18:48] <Golynx> its broken Kilos
[18:48] <Kilos> still
[18:49] <Golynx> lots of !!!
[18:49] <Kilos> ya that
[18:49] <magespawn> slang has it's place too
[18:49] <Golynx> not ty - thank you !!!
[18:49] <superfly> Golynx: what does "sudo apt-get -f install" say?
[18:49] <Kilos> hehe
[18:49] <superfly> magespawn: yes, in the dustbin
[18:49] <Kilos> eish superfly 
[18:50] <superfly> mb u cn ndrstnd wt m syn?
[18:50] <Kilos> huh
[18:50] <Golynx> superfly i know it can be fixed, but dont have the data right now
[18:50] <superfly> Exactly.
[18:50] <magespawn> that is not slang, that is just being lazy
[18:50] <Kilos> but you unnerstand lotsa?
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe
[18:50] <Golynx> but it is working fine 
[18:50] <superfly> Golynx: did you copy the pacakges you have into /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[18:51] <superfly> *packages
[18:51] <Golynx> superfly yes, but synaptic showed different versions
[18:54] <Kilos> Golynx, didnt gdebi sort that last time
[18:55] <Kilos> it will tell you there is a later version available online but you dont need to go that way
[18:56] <Kilos> you can install each package independantly
[18:56] <Golynx> Kilos nope, last time i was lucky the downloads needed were very little and many packages didnt change versions from synaptic
[18:56] <Kilos> it will first want dependancies then you do them first
[18:58] <Kilos> it really sucks being limited with data hey
[18:58] <Kilos> scream for free wifi
[18:59] <Golynx> no problem, aslong as windows works i can try fix ubuntu in time
[18:59] <Golynx> lol
[18:59] <Kilos> or take you lappy to spors or one of them and have a cup of coffee and use their wifi
[18:59] <Kilos> spurs
[19:00] <Kilos> superfly, is the big boat finished?
[19:00] <Golynx> haha i'm not that desperate :p
[19:00] <Kilos> no anchor or harpoons in place
[19:01] <superfly> Kilos: yes, as far as I had though
[19:01] <superfly> Kilos: well, originally it was just going to be a merchant ship... but other people had other ideas
[19:01] <Kilos> oh other peeps
[19:01] <Kilos> oh my
[19:02] <Kilos> magespawn, have you seen the ship?
[19:02] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:02] <magespawn> no, what ship is that?
[19:02] <Golynx> why is use of python 3x lagging so behind
[19:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo 'lo
[19:03] <Kilos> in minetest
[19:03] <Kilos> its a beaut
[19:03] <magespawn> i will have look when i can
[19:04] <Golynx> no py3exe sucks
[19:04] <magespawn> Golynx, maybe because those who have written programs in 2.x do not have the time to move them across. are the two interchangeable?
[19:08] <Golynx> magespawn some things are similar some not , which will break the program in a different version in python. i hate the print "mytext" instead of print("mytext")   
[19:09] <magespawn> i do not know enough to be able to comment
[19:11] <Golynx> i do not know enough of python 2x to be able to live with it lol
[19:15] <magespawn> ha
[19:23] <Kilos> keep well magespawn , look after you man
[19:23] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight