[06:15] good morning [07:59] hola chicos [08:22] http://adf.ly/pyduc [08:23] spammer [08:23] !ircc [08:23] The Ubuntu IRC Council is the team governance council for the the Ubuntu IRC channels on the freenode network - For serious inquiries please join #ubuntu-irc-council or email irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com - See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil [08:23] jussi: tell freenode to ban ^^ [09:55] apachelogger: remind me why debdiff | filterdiff is better than diff -urN ? [09:55] I can't get filterdiff --include=debian to work [10:00] Riddell: dpkg-buildpackage -S && { debdiff ../*dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*' } [10:00] filterdiff is superior because you want to review the delta of the actual artifact you intend to upload, a manual diff does not correctly represent this [10:01] random unlikely example: clean rule removes stuff from debian/, then your manual diff might not be what a debdiff would show [10:03] this all seems very improbable for the extra effort [10:04] Riddell: what's the extra effort? [10:05] you need to build the dsc anyway and diffing over the dscs gives a correct representation of the delta while a manual diff doesn't [10:05] debdiff *dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*' takes much longer to type and has more chance of mistakes than diff -urN foo/debian/* current/foo/debian/* [10:05] that's almost the same amount of typing :P [10:05] now if debdiff had an option to just show you the debian/ contents, that would make a lot of sense [10:05] also scripting is your friend ^^ [10:20] debfx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1335840 [10:20] Ubuntu bug 1335840 in trusty-backports "Please backport kdeconnect 0.7.1-0ubuntu3 (universe) from utopic-proposed" [Undecided,New] [11:07] Howdy all [11:17] morning all [11:17] hola sgclark [11:18] notes: plasma-mc needs depend on baloo [11:18] baloo | baloo-kf5 I guess [11:18] it also needs compiled with -DNO_LINK_TO_PLASMA=ON [11:18] which is what stops it freezing [11:18] cos qtmultimediakit uses gstreamer 0.10 while plasma uses gstreamer 1.0 [11:19] it also needs to recommend all the gstreamer 0.10 codecs (good, bad and ugly) [11:19] but worst of all, it doesn't play game of thrones because we have no gstreamer 0.10 codec for video/x-h264 [11:20] oh nos :( [11:20] it doesn't play youtube either can that's mp4 [11:20] plasma-mc has so much promise but the technology just lets it down :( [11:20] ahhh, then why is the big youtube button lol [11:22] well if your distro still supports gstreamer 0.10 then it's all good [11:22] but ubuntu has removed libav plugin for gstreamer so no mp4 (as I understand it) [11:23] instead just a warning Warning: "No decoder available for type 'video/x-h264'" [11:23] gosh hthat is not very useful, youutube is the main reason I would use [11:24] sgclark: anyway, are you able to make those changes? [11:24] sure thing [11:24] sgclark: I got confused yesterday because I didn't realise you had two PPAs, what's the second one for? [11:25] Riddell: my PPAs only hold like one maybe two, so I made one for trusty and one for utopic [11:25] one maybe two what? [11:25] packages [11:26] but why? [11:26] I don't know, I get out of space rejects alot though [11:26] gosh really? [11:26] mhmm [11:27] hum [11:27] well no importante [11:27] you can also use kubuntu-ppa/experimental for works in progress [11:27] ok thanks [11:31] we have three abstractions of gstreamer for qt all with varying abilities, this makes me cry [11:33] yeah I was messing around trying to figure it all out last night [11:33] sgclark, Riddell: staging is fro work in progress [11:34] experimental is for experimental packages [11:34] ahh right, will use that, thanks === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [12:39] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages?batch=75&direction=backwards&start=225 [12:47] apachelogger: the difference seems sometimes arbitrary [12:51] Riddell: nevermind, now affected by https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335904 [12:51] KDE bug 335904 in Shell "NO_LINK_TO_PLASMA option non-operational" [Grave,Reopened] [12:52] sgclark: really? it solved the freeze issue for me [12:52] won't start for me [12:53] which well I suppose stops the feezes haha [12:54] sgclark: you run plasma-mediacenter and nothing happens? [12:55] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7731279/ [12:55] Failed to load Plasma Libraries, cannot continue. is the problem [12:57] Riddell: it's not, experimental is about the scope of the software in the package, not the package itself [12:57] that is: stuff in experimental is expected to install and uninstall [12:57] whether the actual software works is out of scope for experimental, but the package mustn't screw the user over [12:58] http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Experimental [12:59] si [13:03] sgclark: did you get /usr/lib/libplasmaadapter.so.1.3 installed? [13:03] it only gets created when you build with NO_LINK_TO_PLASMA [13:03] Unpacking libplasmamediacenter1.3 (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) over (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) ... [13:04] "adapter" [13:04] oh hmm [13:04] different name [13:04] * sgclark look [13:11] Riddell: that is the problem, seems list-missing did not get run *fixing* [13:25] kubotu: newversion qt-gstreamer 1.1.90 [13:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1336256 [13:29] hmm, I see thew switch to systemd being bad mouthed in the ##linux room due to this url , http://boycottsystemd.org/ , is there any truth to these claims ? [13:32] BluesKaj: yes, lots [13:33] then why the switch Riddell?, seems like a bad move [13:35] because for all those grumbles a modern init system has lots of advantages, and I don't want to be the only decent distro using !systemd [13:35] is sysvinit no longer able to handle the changes to ubuntu [13:36] we haven't used sysvinit for some years [13:36] it's slow and very distro specific [13:36] oh? [13:37] sigh, irc hates me [13:37] * BluesKaj learned something new today [13:37] that page is much silly [13:39] probly archlinux haters [13:41] nah, just whiners [14:16] Riddell: new plasma-mc up in staging. Looks like it works aside from me not having anything that doesn't use Warning: "No decoder available for type 'video/x-h264, [14:18] Riddell: I have to step out for 1 hour, will be back though. [14:20] sgclark: you could test it with this gripping narative blockbuster with tragedy and triumph http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2014/H1302_Depage/Saturday/Do_you_have_to_be_brain_damaged_to_care_about_desktop_Linux.webm [14:48] Only 4 donations to 300 people! http://www.kde.org/fundraisers/randameetings2014/ :) [15:05] Riddell: that video works :) [15:05] yay [15:06] Riddell: no changes between trusty and utopic, still need me to upload both? [15:07] sgclark: no I'll upload to utopic and trusty-proposed for an SRU [15:07] Riddell: ok great [15:07] Riddell: was that release today or ? [15:07] sgclark: no sign of dfaure so I guess not until this (european) evening [15:08] Riddell: ok, gonna get some chores done, ping me when it happens [15:08] sgclark: are you on the kde-packager e-mail list yet? [15:09] Riddell: no I am not, I am guessing I should be? [15:09] I'm not sure how you subscribe to it now, https://sysadmin.kde.org maybe [15:09] sgclark: try filling in something there and giving me as reference [15:12] Riddell: ok submitted ticket [15:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=kubuntu-packaging could do with some cleanup [15:13] Riddell: didn't we just do 1.3? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mediacenter/+bug/1328246 [15:13] Ubuntu bug 1328246 in plasma-mediacenter (Ubuntu) "Please update plasma-mediacenter to 1.2.90" [Undecided,New] [15:14] sgclark: yes so that should be closed [15:14] Riddell: k [15:25] Riddell: artikulate says in progress assignee: Howard Chan (smartboyhw) is this person still around? [15:27] sgclark: nope he wandered off when he got busy/burnt out (don't you burn out!) [15:28] but it looks like it is in trusty-proposed [15:28] lol [15:28] ah so maybe it's all done anyway [15:28] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/artikulate/trusty-proposed/files [15:28] it's in KDE SC now [15:28] ok closing [15:28] yeah moved to kde-edu [15:36] Riddell: umm librocket google search shows someone built this https://launchpad.net/~joern-schoenyan/+archive/librocket can we use this? [15:38] * Riddell looks [15:39] apachelogger: what do you know about librocket? [15:41] http://librocket.com/ C++ user interface middleware package based on the HTML and CSS standards [15:41] well I've no idea what uses that [15:42] sgclark: I guess apachelogger had some reason to want it packaged a year ago but not a very good reason since he didn't get round to it, wait until he replies but probably close it [15:47] sorry internet hiccup, verdict on librocket? [15:48] 16:39 < Riddell> http://librocket.com/ C++ user interface middleware package based on the HTML and CSS standards [15:48] 16:39 < Riddell> well I've no idea what uses that [15:48] 16:40 < Riddell> sgclark: I guess apachelogger had some reason to want it packaged a year ago but not a very good reason since he didn't get round to it, wait until he replies but probably close it [15:48] ok [16:00] Riddell: cleaned up, will work on libqapt [16:05] sgclark: oh? what's need doing with it? [16:05] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt/+bug/1328165 [16:06] Ubuntu bug 1328165 in libqapt (Ubuntu) "Please update libqapt to 2.2.0" [Undecided,New] [16:07] hah my own bug too, great please do [16:47] Riddell: libqapt in staging [16:57] Riddell: no changes for trusty ^ [19:43] sgclark: great [20:11] sgclark: plasma patch looks good, you can commit it yourself [20:11] ty [20:14] making plasma build-dep on the right frameworks -dev packages is another issue [20:15] would need another comand line switch [20:57] good news :-) [20:57] latest version of plasma-next from neos works great ! [20:57] *neon [21:10] * Riddell spots stable/frameworks/5.0.0/ [21:12] \o/ [21:21] * yofel notes that CFQ is a horrible choice of IO scheduler if one creates fixed size virtualbox images on a rotary medium [21:21] unlike dealine you can barely even move the mouse [21:21] *deadline [21:31] is that the one that baloo wants? [21:31] * Riddell grabs an espresso mocha and some tortilla and cracks on with kubuntu-initial-upload [21:37] yes [21:43] feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 [22:16] sgclark: close librocket, use case disappeared [22:16] apachelogger: ok [22:43] feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Octopuses | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks KF5 5.0.0! [22:53] KF5 5.0.0 up in next PPA, do keep an eye on it ninjas and poke as needed [22:54] also if someone could set up a qa report that would be great [22:54] * Riddell wanders "home"