| syntroPi | Why is synaptic always freezing after some uptime while fighting over the cpu ressources with dbus and gnomeshell? any known bugs? | 00:27 |
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| syntroPi | it takes orders of magnitude more time to load up and unfreeze | 00:28 |
| syntroPi | any known bugs in dbus which may be related to this? | 00:29 |
| darkxst | syntroPi, Bug 1328586 | 00:42 |
| ubot5 | bug 1328586 in at-spi2-core (Ubuntu) "Synaptic is reading state information for a minute or so" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1328586 | 00:42 |
| darkxst | syntroPi, although that should be fixed in utopic and gnome3-staging | 00:46 |
| syntroPi | darkxst, thanks thats exactly the issue i have here on x64trusty with gnome 3 staging ppa | 02:08 |
| syntroPi | gnome-shell, dbus-daemon and synaptic are fighting over cpu ressources while it loads | 02:08 |
| darkxst | syntroPi, it should have been fixed with gnome-shell - 3.12.2-0ubuntu0~trusty2 , unless you use the magnifier | 02:09 |
| syntroPi | whut? the magnifier? i use https://github.com/tobiasquinn/gnome-shell-mousewheel-zoom on gnome-shell 3.12.2-0ubuntu0~trusty2 | 02:11 |
| syntroPi | sometimes it loads with normal speed right after booting (2s or such) but once it got in that weird state only reboot resolves it. whole gnome-shell is sluggish while it does its crazy loading freeze | 02:14 |
| darkxst | that would be using the magnifier | 02:14 |
| syntroPi | yup how come? | 02:15 |
| darkxst | syntroPi, to zoom! | 02:18 |
| syntroPi | yes ofc just wondering how the gnome-shell zoom is related to that issue | 02:19 |
| darkxst | https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointNine/Features/FocusCaretTracking | 02:19 |
| darkxst | zoom uses a11y features | 02:19 |
| syntroPi | thanks i will disable the zoom and read into those bugs to understand more of this | 02:23 |
| darkxst | syntroPi, you can run synaptic with "NO_AT_BRIDGE=1" as a work-around | 02:29 |
| syntroPi | WOW thank you that works | 02:34 |
| melodie | hi | 09:53 |
| melodie | does update-notifier work for you in 14.04? | 09:53 |
| darkxst | hey melodie! | 09:55 |
| darkxst | I'm on utopic now, but recall update-notifier crashing a lot in 14.04 | 09:55 |
| melodie | hi darkxst! ok, but I meet with this issue in a fresh install of Bento Precise on a eeepc 1101HA and a guy on #ubuntu-fr looked for himself and noticed 130 packages to be updated in his GUbuntu 14.04, this is why I am coming here to ask. Would you know how I can debug? what command lines and or log files I should look at? | 09:57 |
| darkxst | melodie, backtrace? | 09:58 |
| melodie | of course the guy using Ubuntu Gnome Trusty has update-notifier that should have notified and which didn't | 09:58 |
| melodie | how do I use backtrace? | 09:58 |
| darkxst | if it crashed, there should be a crash file in /var/crash | 09:58 |
| melodie | I have no idea about that : just "backtrace update-notifier" ? | 09:58 |
| melodie | ok I look /var/crash | 09:59 |
| darkxst | ubuntu-bug <that crash file> | 09:59 |
| melodie | ok | 09:59 |
| darkxst | melodie, and I don't think its anything specific to ubuntu GNOME | 09:59 |
| melodie | the /var/crash directory is empty | 10:01 |
| melodie | is "backtrace" a tool? | 10:01 |
| darkxst | melodie, no, a backtrace is trace of the crash | 10:02 |
| darkxst | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 10:02 |
| melodie | thank you | 10:03 |
| darkxst | if there is nothing in /var/crash it probably didnt crash and just isnt working | 10:03 |
| melodie | darkxst in case of crash break the window! XD (I have done a desktop file containing a command line for direct update and upgrade) | 10:04 |
| melodie | but for now I removed it all and reinstalled it all. I had apt configured without the recommend depends and I have re-configured with the recommend depends, before reinstalling. I'll see how it behaves now | 10:05 |
| melodie | hummm | 10:05 |
| melodie | still no notification after reboot, so far | 10:05 |
| darkxst | melodie, file a bug, although I think the notifaction goes off at a set time | 10:06 |
| darkxst | each day | 10:06 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hi, are you sure there is no abi break in gjs? | 10:11 |
| darkxst | ricotz, its like 2 patches, and no abi break | 10:12 |
| darkxst | or 3: | 10:13 |
| darkxst | 6 dayscairo: enable multithreading for cairo-xlibGiovanni Campagna3-2/+16 | 10:13 |
| darkxst | 2014-06-15mainloop: restore priority arguments to *_add() callsGiovanni Campagna1-9/+15 | 10:13 |
| darkxst | 2014-05-02Fix building Regress-1.0.gir with cairo disabled | 10:13 |
| ricotz | i am pretty sure there are like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gjs/commit/?id=675ce6243cc5ac1925cf937dcd49f26f36ef9da2 | 10:13 |
| ricotz | i am speaking of the 1.41.3 upload | 10:13 |
| ricotz | ah the 1.40.1 tag is missing | 10:14 |
| darkxst | ricotz, yes, most of that is in 1.40.1 | 10:14 |
| ricotz | any way i wouldn't count on it to remain stable | 10:15 |
| ricotz | like mutter does | 10:15 |
| darkxst | ricotz, right, I will probably break it with js31! | 10:16 |
| ricotz | i would have bumped it as precaution | 10:17 |
| ricotz | yeah the js31 rebuild is another things and get caught already due shlib-deps generation | 10:18 |
| darkxst | ricotz, I will bump it when required, 1.41.3 could well have been 1.40.2 | 10:18 |
| * ricotz just noticed the update while it creates conflicts here ;) | 10:19 | |
| ricotz | ok | 10:19 |
| darkxst | conflicts? | 10:20 |
| ricotz | i mean i bumped the library in my ppa, so apt isn't so happy about it ;) | 10:20 |
| darkxst | oh I see | 10:21 |
| darkxst | I would suggest holding off on that until js31, but guess that is too late! | 10:22 |
| darkxst | ricotz, gjs is pretty stable, most api changes come as a result of spidermonkey upgraddes | 10:25 |
| ricotz | darkxst, don't worry i will just a push new version | 10:25 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hmm, i would call it stable while seeing the mentioned api cleanup commit | 10:26 |
| melodie | <darkxst> melodie, file a bug, although I think the notifaction goes off at a set time || do you know someone who could say more about that? | 10:26 |
| melodie | I think it used to be displayed each time we would boot, when configured to be launched each day | 10:27 |
| melodie | going now | 10:27 |
| darkxst | ricotz, we have been running current gjs with old GNOME for a few cycles, and really the biggest issue was E4x removal | 10:29 |
| darkxst | (and of course I removed that as part of js24 | 10:30 |
| darkxst | melodie, not to sure, I think it fires at a set time each day, I am constantly upgrading my system so often miss notifications | 10:31 |
| ricotz | darkxst, ok, there are other consumers as well, but there is actually just gnome-shell really using it | 10:33 |
| ricotz | (libpeas support isnt built on ubuntu) | 10:33 |
| darkxst | ricotz, shell and gnome apps | 10:34 |
| ricotz | it is the same with mutter, they are removing api which wasnt used in gnome-shell, and therefore not breaking things in this regard | 10:34 |
| darkxst | polkit has a gjs backend also, but not built on ubuntu | 10:34 |
| ricotz | but it is still an abi break | 10:34 |
| darkxst | mutter is pretty much volatile! | 10:36 |
| ricotz | same developers with no commitment to abi/api stability ;) | 10:37 |
| ricotz | .. for those library | 10:37 |
| ricotz | ies | 10:37 |
| melodie | darkxst then I'll have to find out more about update-notifier | 10:45 |
| darkxst | mutter is a moving target, gjs not so much | 10:45 |
| darkxst | melodie, just dig in, its just a python scripts I think | 10:47 |
| darkxst | melodie, or chat with the -desktop team, they would know more | 10:50 |
| ricotz | if it is python using python-gi, and you are using the gnome3-staging ppa, annotation changes in gtk+3.0 could result in problems, i guess | 10:50 |
| darkxst | ricotz, melodie doesnt even use GNOME | 10:51 |
| darkxst | she is making an openbox remix | 10:52 |
| ricotz | alright, i assumed an ubuntuGNOME problems here ;P | 10:56 |
| darkxst | ricotz, its spillover from phillw's world! | 10:58 |
| darkxst | ricotz, not too sure how she ended up in this channel, maybe I am being stalked! | 11:05 |
| ricotz | darkxst, heh, i see, and you waited until she left | 11:06 |
| ricotz | ubot5 knows everything | 11:07 |
| ubot5 | ricotz: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 11:07 |
| darkxst | ricotz, ubot5 doesnt seem to know much! | 11:09 |
| ceed^ | After todays upgrades in staging PPA I can't open gnome-control-center or any settings. I get error while loading shared libraries: libgtop-2.0.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 11:59 |
| ricotz | ceed^, sorry, please downgrade the libgtop packages | 12:04 |
| ceed^ | ricotz, I'm not sure I know how to only downgrade a couple of packages. | 12:06 |
| ceed^ | looking it up now... :) | 12:07 |
| ceed^ | Can do it with Synaptic it seems.. | 12:09 |
| ricotz | sudo apt-get install libgtop2-7=2.28.5-2 libgtop2-common=2.28.5-2 libgtop2-dev=2.28.5-2 gir1.2-gtop-2.0=2.28.5-2 | 12:10 |
| ricotz | ceed^, this should do the trick | 12:10 |
| ceed^ | thanks! | 12:11 |
| ceed^ | ricotz, settings are back, thanks. Do I have to be careful with updates now so I do not get the broken packages back? | 12:13 |
| ricotz | ceed^, no, the packages should stick and won't get updated again until the next proper update | 12:16 |
| ceed^ | Thank you so much! :) | 12:19 |
| john8681 | hi | 16:08 |
| john8681 | i would like to install ubuntu onto a windows 8 computer that in virus ridden. Please let me know if I can just go ahead and install ubunto or do I need to reformat windows 8 | 16:11 |
| Noskcaj | darkxst, Should we be packaging gnome-sound-recorder? It was new in 3.12 | 21:01 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj, yes | 22:18 |
| Noskcaj | i'll get that done some time today then | 22:18 |
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