[00:27] <syntroPi> Why is synaptic always freezing after some uptime while fighting over the cpu ressources with dbus and gnomeshell? any known bugs?
[00:28] <syntroPi> it takes orders of magnitude more time to load up and unfreeze
[00:29] <syntroPi> any known bugs in dbus which may be related to this?
[00:42] <darkxst> syntroPi, Bug 1328586
[00:46] <darkxst> syntroPi, although that should be fixed in utopic and gnome3-staging
[02:08] <syntroPi> darkxst, thanks thats exactly the issue i have here on x64trusty with gnome 3 staging ppa
[02:08] <syntroPi> gnome-shell, dbus-daemon and synaptic are fighting over cpu ressources while it loads
[02:09] <darkxst> syntroPi, it should have been fixed with gnome-shell - 3.12.2-0ubuntu0~trusty2 , unless you use the magnifier
[02:11] <syntroPi> whut? the magnifier? i use https://github.com/tobiasquinn/gnome-shell-mousewheel-zoom on gnome-shell 3.12.2-0ubuntu0~trusty2
[02:14] <syntroPi> sometimes it loads with normal speed right after booting (2s or such) but once it got in that weird state only reboot resolves it. whole gnome-shell is sluggish while it does its crazy loading freeze
[02:14] <darkxst> that would be using the magnifier
[02:15] <syntroPi> yup how come?
[02:18] <darkxst> syntroPi, to zoom!
[02:19] <syntroPi> yes ofc just wondering how the gnome-shell zoom is related to that issue
[02:19] <darkxst> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointNine/Features/FocusCaretTracking
[02:19] <darkxst> zoom uses a11y features
[02:23] <syntroPi> thanks i will disable the zoom and read into those bugs to understand more of this
[02:29] <darkxst> syntroPi, you can run synaptic with "NO_AT_BRIDGE=1" as a work-around
[02:34] <syntroPi> WOW thank you that works
[09:53] <melodie> hi
[09:53] <melodie> does update-notifier work for you in 14.04?
[09:55] <darkxst> hey melodie!
[09:55] <darkxst> I'm on utopic now, but recall update-notifier crashing a lot in 14.04
[09:57] <melodie> hi darkxst! ok, but I meet with this issue in a fresh install of Bento Precise on a eeepc 1101HA and a guy on #ubuntu-fr looked for himself and noticed 130 packages to be updated in his GUbuntu 14.04, this is why I am coming here to ask. Would you know how I can debug? what command lines and or log files I should look at?
[09:58] <darkxst> melodie, backtrace?
[09:58] <melodie> of course the guy using Ubuntu Gnome Trusty has update-notifier that should have notified and which didn't
[09:58] <melodie> how do I use backtrace?
[09:58] <darkxst> if it crashed, there should be a crash file in /var/crash
[09:58] <melodie> I have no idea about that : just "backtrace update-notifier" ?
[09:59] <melodie> ok I look /var/crash
[09:59] <darkxst> ubuntu-bug <that crash file>
[09:59] <melodie> ok
[09:59] <darkxst> melodie, and I don't think its anything specific to ubuntu GNOME
[10:01] <melodie> the /var/crash directory is empty
[10:01] <melodie> is "backtrace" a tool?
[10:02] <darkxst> melodie, no, a backtrace is trace of the crash
[10:02] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[10:03] <melodie> thank you
[10:03] <darkxst> if there is nothing in /var/crash it probably didnt crash and just isnt working
[10:04] <melodie> darkxst in case of crash break the window! XD (I have done a desktop file containing a command line for direct update and upgrade)
[10:05] <melodie> but for now I removed it all and reinstalled it all. I had apt configured without the recommend depends and I have re-configured with the recommend depends, before reinstalling. I'll see how it behaves now
[10:05] <melodie> hummm
[10:05] <melodie> still no notification after reboot, so far
[10:06] <darkxst> melodie, file a bug, although I think the notifaction goes off at a set time
[10:06] <darkxst> each day
[10:11] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, are you sure there is no abi break in gjs?
[10:12] <darkxst> ricotz, its like 2 patches, and no abi break
[10:13] <darkxst> or 3:
[10:13] <darkxst> 6 days	cairo: enable multithreading for cairo-xlib	Giovanni Campagna	3	-2/+16
[10:13] <darkxst> 2014-06-15	mainloop: restore priority arguments to *_add() calls	Giovanni Campagna	1	-9/+15
[10:13] <darkxst> 2014-05-02	Fix building Regress-1.0.gir with cairo disabled
[10:13] <ricotz> i am pretty sure there are like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gjs/commit/?id=675ce6243cc5ac1925cf937dcd49f26f36ef9da2
[10:13] <ricotz> i am speaking of the 1.41.3 upload
[10:14] <ricotz> ah the 1.40.1 tag is missing
[10:14] <darkxst> ricotz, yes, most of that is in 1.40.1
[10:15] <ricotz> any way i wouldn't count on it to remain stable
[10:15] <ricotz> like mutter does
[10:16] <darkxst> ricotz, right, I will probably break it with js31!
[10:17] <ricotz> i would have bumped it as precaution
[10:18] <ricotz> yeah the js31 rebuild is another things and get caught already due shlib-deps generation
[10:18] <darkxst> ricotz, I will bump it when required, 1.41.3 could well have been 1.40.2
[10:19]  * ricotz just noticed the update while it creates conflicts here ;)
[10:19] <ricotz> ok
[10:20] <darkxst> conflicts?
[10:20] <ricotz> i mean i bumped the library in my ppa, so apt isn't so happy about it ;)
[10:21] <darkxst> oh I see
[10:22] <darkxst> I would suggest holding off on that until js31, but guess that is too late!
[10:25] <darkxst> ricotz, gjs is pretty stable, most api changes come as a result of spidermonkey upgraddes
[10:25] <ricotz> darkxst, don't worry i will just a push new version
[10:26] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, i would call it stable while seeing the mentioned api cleanup commit
 melodie, file a bug, although I think the notifaction goes off at a set time  || do you know someone who could say more about that?
[10:27] <melodie> I think it used to be displayed each time we would boot, when configured to be launched each day
[10:27] <melodie> going now
[10:29] <darkxst> ricotz, we have been running current gjs with old GNOME for a few cycles, and really the biggest issue was E4x removal
[10:30] <darkxst> (and of course I removed that as part of js24
[10:31] <darkxst> melodie, not to sure, I think it fires at a set time each day, I am constantly upgrading my system so often miss notifications
[10:33] <ricotz> darkxst, ok, there are other consumers as well, but there is actually just gnome-shell really using it
[10:33] <ricotz> (libpeas support isnt built on ubuntu)
[10:34] <darkxst> ricotz, shell and gnome apps
[10:34] <ricotz> it is the same with mutter, they are removing api which wasnt used in gnome-shell, and therefore not breaking things in this regard
[10:34] <darkxst> polkit has a gjs backend also, but not built on ubuntu
[10:34] <ricotz> but it is still an abi break
[10:36] <darkxst> mutter is pretty much volatile!
[10:37] <ricotz> same developers with no commitment to abi/api stability ;)
[10:37] <ricotz> .. for those library
[10:37] <ricotz> ies
[10:45] <melodie> darkxst then I'll have to find out more about update-notifier
[10:45] <darkxst> mutter is a moving target, gjs not so much
[10:47] <darkxst> melodie, just dig in, its just a python scripts I think
[10:50] <darkxst> melodie, or chat with the -desktop team, they would know more
[10:50] <ricotz> if it is python using python-gi, and you are using the gnome3-staging ppa, annotation changes in gtk+3.0 could result in problems, i guess
[10:51] <darkxst> ricotz, melodie doesnt even use GNOME
[10:52] <darkxst> she is making an openbox remix
[10:56] <ricotz> alright, i assumed an ubuntuGNOME problems here ;P
[10:58] <darkxst> ricotz, its spillover from phillw's world!
[11:05] <darkxst> ricotz, not too sure how she ended up in this channel, maybe I am being stalked!
[11:06] <ricotz> darkxst, heh, i see, and you waited until she left
[11:07] <ricotz> ubot5 knows everything
[11:09] <darkxst> ricotz, ubot5 doesnt seem to know much!
[11:59] <ceed^> After todays upgrades in staging PPA I can't open gnome-control-center or any settings. I get error while loading shared libraries: libgtop-2.0.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:04] <ricotz> ceed^, sorry, please downgrade the libgtop packages
[12:06] <ceed^> ricotz, I'm not sure I know how to only downgrade a couple of packages.
[12:07] <ceed^> looking it up now... :)
[12:09] <ceed^> Can do it with Synaptic it seems..
[12:10] <ricotz> sudo apt-get install libgtop2-7=2.28.5-2 libgtop2-common=2.28.5-2 libgtop2-dev=2.28.5-2 gir1.2-gtop-2.0=2.28.5-2
[12:10] <ricotz> ceed^, this should do the trick
[12:11] <ceed^> thanks!
[12:13] <ceed^> ricotz, settings are back, thanks. Do I have to be careful with updates now so I do not get the broken packages back?
[12:16] <ricotz> ceed^, no, the packages should stick and won't get updated again until the next proper update
[12:19] <ceed^> Thank you so much! :)
[16:08] <john8681> hi
[16:11] <john8681> i would like to install ubuntu onto a windows 8 computer that in virus ridden. Please let me know if I can just go ahead and install ubunto or do I need to reformat windows 8
[21:01] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Should we be packaging gnome-sound-recorder? It was new in 3.12
[22:18] <darkxst> Noskcaj, yes
[22:18] <Noskcaj> i'll get that done some time today then