[00:27] Why is synaptic always freezing after some uptime while fighting over the cpu ressources with dbus and gnomeshell? any known bugs? [00:28] it takes orders of magnitude more time to load up and unfreeze [00:29] any known bugs in dbus which may be related to this? [00:42] syntroPi, Bug 1328586 [00:42] bug 1328586 in at-spi2-core (Ubuntu) "Synaptic is reading state information for a minute or so" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1328586 [00:46] syntroPi, although that should be fixed in utopic and gnome3-staging [02:08] darkxst, thanks thats exactly the issue i have here on x64trusty with gnome 3 staging ppa [02:08] gnome-shell, dbus-daemon and synaptic are fighting over cpu ressources while it loads [02:09] syntroPi, it should have been fixed with gnome-shell - 3.12.2-0ubuntu0~trusty2 , unless you use the magnifier [02:11] whut? the magnifier? i use https://github.com/tobiasquinn/gnome-shell-mousewheel-zoom on gnome-shell 3.12.2-0ubuntu0~trusty2 [02:14] sometimes it loads with normal speed right after booting (2s or such) but once it got in that weird state only reboot resolves it. whole gnome-shell is sluggish while it does its crazy loading freeze [02:14] that would be using the magnifier [02:15] yup how come? [02:18] syntroPi, to zoom! [02:19] yes ofc just wondering how the gnome-shell zoom is related to that issue [02:19] https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointNine/Features/FocusCaretTracking [02:19] zoom uses a11y features [02:23] thanks i will disable the zoom and read into those bugs to understand more of this [02:29] syntroPi, you can run synaptic with "NO_AT_BRIDGE=1" as a work-around [02:34] WOW thank you that works [09:53] hi [09:53] does update-notifier work for you in 14.04? [09:55] hey melodie! [09:55] I'm on utopic now, but recall update-notifier crashing a lot in 14.04 [09:57] hi darkxst! ok, but I meet with this issue in a fresh install of Bento Precise on a eeepc 1101HA and a guy on #ubuntu-fr looked for himself and noticed 130 packages to be updated in his GUbuntu 14.04, this is why I am coming here to ask. Would you know how I can debug? what command lines and or log files I should look at? [09:58] melodie, backtrace? [09:58] of course the guy using Ubuntu Gnome Trusty has update-notifier that should have notified and which didn't [09:58] how do I use backtrace? [09:58] if it crashed, there should be a crash file in /var/crash [09:58] I have no idea about that : just "backtrace update-notifier" ? [09:59] ok I look /var/crash [09:59] ubuntu-bug [09:59] ok [09:59] melodie, and I don't think its anything specific to ubuntu GNOME [10:01] the /var/crash directory is empty [10:01] is "backtrace" a tool? [10:02] melodie, no, a backtrace is trace of the crash [10:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [10:03] thank you [10:03] if there is nothing in /var/crash it probably didnt crash and just isnt working [10:04] darkxst in case of crash break the window! XD (I have done a desktop file containing a command line for direct update and upgrade) [10:05] but for now I removed it all and reinstalled it all. I had apt configured without the recommend depends and I have re-configured with the recommend depends, before reinstalling. I'll see how it behaves now [10:05] hummm [10:05] still no notification after reboot, so far [10:06] melodie, file a bug, although I think the notifaction goes off at a set time [10:06] each day [10:11] darkxst, hi, are you sure there is no abi break in gjs? [10:12] ricotz, its like 2 patches, and no abi break [10:13] or 3: [10:13] 6 days cairo: enable multithreading for cairo-xlib Giovanni Campagna 3 -2/+16 [10:13] 2014-06-15 mainloop: restore priority arguments to *_add() calls Giovanni Campagna 1 -9/+15 [10:13] 2014-05-02 Fix building Regress-1.0.gir with cairo disabled [10:13] i am pretty sure there are like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gjs/commit/?id=675ce6243cc5ac1925cf937dcd49f26f36ef9da2 [10:13] i am speaking of the 1.41.3 upload [10:14] ah the 1.40.1 tag is missing [10:14] ricotz, yes, most of that is in 1.40.1 [10:15] any way i wouldn't count on it to remain stable [10:15] like mutter does [10:16] ricotz, right, I will probably break it with js31! [10:17] i would have bumped it as precaution [10:18] yeah the js31 rebuild is another things and get caught already due shlib-deps generation [10:18] ricotz, I will bump it when required, 1.41.3 could well have been 1.40.2 [10:19] * ricotz just noticed the update while it creates conflicts here ;) [10:19] ok [10:20] conflicts? [10:20] i mean i bumped the library in my ppa, so apt isn't so happy about it ;) [10:21] oh I see [10:22] I would suggest holding off on that until js31, but guess that is too late! [10:25] ricotz, gjs is pretty stable, most api changes come as a result of spidermonkey upgraddes [10:25] darkxst, don't worry i will just a push new version [10:26] darkxst, hmm, i would call it stable while seeing the mentioned api cleanup commit [10:26] melodie, file a bug, although I think the notifaction goes off at a set time || do you know someone who could say more about that? [10:27] I think it used to be displayed each time we would boot, when configured to be launched each day [10:27] going now [10:29] ricotz, we have been running current gjs with old GNOME for a few cycles, and really the biggest issue was E4x removal [10:30] (and of course I removed that as part of js24 [10:31] melodie, not to sure, I think it fires at a set time each day, I am constantly upgrading my system so often miss notifications [10:33] darkxst, ok, there are other consumers as well, but there is actually just gnome-shell really using it [10:33] (libpeas support isnt built on ubuntu) [10:34] ricotz, shell and gnome apps [10:34] it is the same with mutter, they are removing api which wasnt used in gnome-shell, and therefore not breaking things in this regard [10:34] polkit has a gjs backend also, but not built on ubuntu [10:34] but it is still an abi break [10:36] mutter is pretty much volatile! [10:37] same developers with no commitment to abi/api stability ;) [10:37] .. for those library [10:37] ies [10:45] darkxst then I'll have to find out more about update-notifier [10:45] mutter is a moving target, gjs not so much [10:47] melodie, just dig in, its just a python scripts I think [10:50] melodie, or chat with the -desktop team, they would know more [10:50] if it is python using python-gi, and you are using the gnome3-staging ppa, annotation changes in gtk+3.0 could result in problems, i guess [10:51] ricotz, melodie doesnt even use GNOME [10:52] she is making an openbox remix [10:56] alright, i assumed an ubuntuGNOME problems here ;P [10:58] ricotz, its spillover from phillw's world! [11:05] ricotz, not too sure how she ended up in this channel, maybe I am being stalked! [11:06] darkxst, heh, i see, and you waited until she left [11:07] ubot5 knows everything [11:07] ricotz: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:09] ricotz, ubot5 doesnt seem to know much! [11:59] After todays upgrades in staging PPA I can't open gnome-control-center or any settings. I get error while loading shared libraries: libgtop-2.0.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [12:04] ceed^, sorry, please downgrade the libgtop packages [12:06] ricotz, I'm not sure I know how to only downgrade a couple of packages. [12:07] looking it up now... :) [12:09] Can do it with Synaptic it seems.. [12:10] sudo apt-get install libgtop2-7=2.28.5-2 libgtop2-common=2.28.5-2 libgtop2-dev=2.28.5-2 gir1.2-gtop-2.0=2.28.5-2 [12:10] ceed^, this should do the trick [12:11] thanks! [12:13] ricotz, settings are back, thanks. Do I have to be careful with updates now so I do not get the broken packages back? [12:16] ceed^, no, the packages should stick and won't get updated again until the next proper update [12:19] Thank you so much! :) [16:08] hi [16:11] i would like to install ubuntu onto a windows 8 computer that in virus ridden. Please let me know if I can just go ahead and install ubunto or do I need to reformat windows 8 [21:01] darkxst, Should we be packaging gnome-sound-recorder? It was new in 3.12 [22:18] Noskcaj, yes [22:18] i'll get that done some time today then