[03:26] <diddledan> *yawwn*
[05:35] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:37] <mapps> morning MooDoo
[05:37] <mapps> just got back from the casino:(
[06:07] <Myrtti> moin
[06:12] <mapps> moin
[06:40] <Myrtti> almost had a breakdown when I thought my allergy medication box had slid through the gap between the mattress and bed end to the floor
[06:40] <Myrtti> crisis averted.
[06:45] <nigelb> Ha, we have two different stashes of antihistamines.
[06:45] <nigelb> Mine and Hers.
[06:50] <Myrtti> I've got several stashes of different kinds. Most don't work.
[07:02] <nigelb> We both use the same tablet.
[07:02] <nigelb> Some days, it's a sneeze riot at home :(
[07:02] <MooDoo> bloomin MS strike again...
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> Microsoft strike?
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> if only they went on strike
[07:03] <nigelb> It would do more good than harm ;)
[07:03] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: lol no, I use no-ip,org for my web hosting, MS has taken over the domain for bad usage reasons....sigh which means my sites are down
[07:03] <MooDoo> yeah yeah yeah i know I shouldn't be using dynamic IP's for web hosting
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> Ah, that's useless
[07:44] <DJones> Can anybody recommend an alternative to no-ip
[07:44] <DJones> MooDoo: Yeah, I'm hit with that issue as well, luckily I saw reports on it before I left home & was able to get my ip address so I can connect to my server
[07:45] <diplo> DJones, http://freedns.afraid.org
[07:46] <SuperMatt> I'll be honest and suggest rackspace dns
[07:46] <SuperMatt> because you can use the api to update your ip
[07:46] <SuperMatt> dns is free with us, all you need is a cloud account, which is also free (if you don't get managed support)
[07:47] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ooooooo
[07:47] <SuperMatt> unlikely to be pulled down
[07:47] <DJones> SuperMatt: Have you got a link for that
[07:47] <MooDoo> http://www.rackspace.co.uk/cloud/dns
[07:47] <SuperMatt> mycloud.rackspace.co.uk for signing up
[07:48] <Myrtti> "SuperMatt told us to DOOOO EEETT"
[07:49] <diplo> Rackspace sees large sign up volume @ 8:50 Tuesday morning :)
[07:50] <MooDoo> lol I've actually just created a new hostname one that isn't affected, then updated DNS, no point in moving to RS to be honest, it'd still take time for DNS to update no matte where i went
[07:50] <popey> yeah, i use afraid.org
[07:50] <popey> never had a problem with it
[07:51] <MooDoo> popey: did they used to be something else, that web page seems awefully familiar.
[07:52] <DJones> Sheesh, their captcha images are aweful
[07:52] <SuperMatt> I don't really care what dns people use, I was just positing the idea of rackspace cloud ;)
[07:57] <popey> MooDoo: not that I'm aware
[07:59] <popey> the nice thing is my router can update afraid.org, so I don't have to worry about the host expiring
[08:01] <awilkins> I had that for dyndns before they purged their free customer base
[08:01] <awilkins> Now I just have a script that runs in a hotplug event that curls duckdns
[08:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Second Second Half of the Year Day! :-D
[08:14] <SuperMatt> yes... yes we are
[08:14] <SuperMatt> in the second half of the year
[08:14] <SuperMatt> I assumed that the second half of the year was on 21st June because of the solstice
[08:14] <SuperMatt> I didn't think to think too logically
[08:26] <Myrtti> I ordered two pairs of scissors
[08:26] <Myrtti> inspired by watching http://vimeo.com/98953952
[08:26] <SuperMatt> is that so you can use each pair to open the other pair?
[08:28] <foobarry> Myrtti: my wife is going to the farm to buy untreated  sheep fleeces :S
[08:28] <foobarry> i think she's into this yarn stuff a bit much :P
[08:28] <Myrtti> no, one pair of thread snips for my spinning and knitting and sewing, one kut-it multitool for the SO for his electric tinkering
[08:29] <Myrtti> foobarry: well... I'm somewhat seriously considering getting the Glass so I can record spinning videos more easily
[08:29] <foobarry> hehe
[08:29] <foobarry> not cheap this hobby
[08:29] <Myrtti> so far I've managed to talk myself out of it
[08:29] <foobarry> helmet + duct tape + phone/camera
[08:34] <milissa> http://adf.ly/pyduc
[08:41] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:42] <diddledan> hmm, morning, does that mean it's nearly time for bed?
[09:20] <bashrc> morning
[09:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:28] <MooDoo> morning bashrc and brobostigon
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and bashrc
[10:19] <ndf> ha... morning... just about...
[10:20] <ndf> 40 mins left of it
[10:21] <ndf> haha I like your hostname
[10:22] <ndf> (KrimZon that is...)
[10:24] <ndf> you're connected twice btw... KrimZon & KrimZon_2
[10:37] <papars> Hi. I have problems with my fans as they are not working at all. My problem is described here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/490292/dell-fans-not-working
[10:37] <papars> Can anybody help me?
[10:37] <ndf> uhm....
[10:38] <ndf> you do realise ubuntu don't make dell machines or provide hardware tech support for dell?
[10:38] <ndf> sorry that sounds quite rude without tone of voice
[10:39] <papars> ndf: thanks a lot for your answer... However, I just asked some help, as I something is wrong with my laptop and Ubuntu...
[10:39] <ndf> oh I see, something has been installed that stopped them
[10:39] <ndf> you ommoitted that fact
[10:39] <ndf> *omitted
[10:39] <MooDoo> papars: have you tried installing lm-sensors and running it from the command like to tell you how hot your system is?
[10:40] <ndf> you made it sound like there was a hardware problem
[10:41] <papars> I'm sorry ndf if I made you understand that...
[10:41] <papars> yes, MooDoo, I have done that. my system's temperature is at 64 C now. And as I said the fan is not spinning at all...
[10:42] <papars> even if I run the command i8kfan -1 2 (full speed) my fan spins for only a couple of seconds
[10:43] <MooDoo> no idea then :(
[10:43] <MooDoo> have you also tried in #ubuntu ?
[10:45] <papars> yes, but I can say I did not get any good answer
[10:50] <diplo> papars, I had a similar issue with mine.. it was related to not having the drivers
[10:50] <diplo> Mine needed the AMD blob to control the fan
[10:50] <diplo> Ju8s treading the page now
[10:51] <diplo> just*
[10:53] <diplo> Have you modprobed to make sure the i8k module has loaded?
[10:53] <diplo> lsmod even :)
[10:54] <diplo> i8kctl Any output from that command ?
[10:58] <awilkins> Is Zeitgeist still used by Unity?
[10:59] <awilkins> I need something to help me do my timesheets better
[10:59] <papars> Hi diplo. Thanks a lot for your help
[11:00] <awilkins> Ok, so that's a "yes" since if you put in Zeitgeist you get the privacy settings thingy
[11:00] <papars> The output of i8kctl is : 1.0 A07 GX2S1X1 60 -1 0 -1 0 -1 -1
[11:03] <awilkins> So, Zeitgeist is rubbish at knowing that you are spending time in terminal windows
[11:03] <bashrc> loitering in the terminal
[11:04] <ndf> what is it for? I've not heard of this before
[11:05] <mgdm> bashrc: I think there's a Tom Hanks film about that
[11:06] <bashrc> I think it's for minotoring what you're doing and then altering the UI accordingly
[11:06] <bashrc> recent files, etc
[11:06] <ndf> oic
[11:11] <awilkins> Yeah, I want something that helps me do my time cards
[11:11] <awilkins> Only I spend a LOT of time hacking in terminals
[11:11] <awilkins> I guess I'd need to create a data source that raises ZG events for which folder I'm n, etc
[11:12] <awilkins> The events it seems to log at the moment seem limited to "files that got opened with Nautilus", and web pages
[11:14] <awilkins> And it won't help me with Windows unless it's really true that dbus works on Windows now :-)
[11:15] <awilkins> Really I want data that's a lot finer grained than it seems to capture ; window focuses with title, window title changes
[11:16] <awilkins> Essentially I want RescueTime without the creepy corporation analyzing my events, then I want my own event digester that helps me disperse time into our time logging system
[11:18] <diplo> papars, I believe -1 is saying the fan is disabled after your serial the 4th one should be fan speed
[11:18] <diplo> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/controlling-dell-fan-speeds-temperature-on-ubuntu-debian-linux/
[11:18] <diplo> i8kctl fan 2 -
[11:18] <diplo> i8kctl fan 2 2
[11:18] <diplo> Should set both fans to full speed
[11:18] <diplo> Latter one
[11:19] <foobarry> wow. hairdresser refused an appointment, already has too much business
[11:20] <foobarry> never heard that before
[11:20] <ndf> it's that time of year everyone needs to shed their winter coat
[11:20] <ndf> lol
[11:20] <ndf> malting
[11:20] <foobarry> says he aint taking on new clients
[11:21] <ndf> awilkins: this rescuetime lookkks interesting - but yes I'd agree I'd rather manage it myself rather than have them holding all the records...
[11:21] <ndf> *-kk
[11:21] <ndf> =/
[11:22] <ndf> I'm sure I didn't press that 3 times then, must have had an odd glitch there (this is a vbox guest OS)
[11:23] <ndf> anyone here ever recovered a HDD with safecopy?
[11:23] <ndf> it's been going for 5 days and it's only on 99% of stage2(of3) lol
[11:23] <ndf> it's only a 60gb drive
[11:24] <ndf> ]loooong business
[11:25] <diplo> ndf, not used that program but one drive I had was going for 3-4 weeks
[11:26] <ndf> what did you use? ddrescue?
[11:26] <diplo> Windows prog I'm afraid to say :)
[11:26] <ndf> ah fair play
[11:26] <diplo> Having a blank at this  moment on what it was called
[11:27] <diplo> But used photorec and ddrescue before
[11:27] <papars> ndf I only have one fan :)
[11:28] <ndf> apparently safecopy uses more low-level hardware calls than ddrescue/others
[11:28] <ndf> papars: I think it was diplo who replied about the fan(s) ;P
[11:28] <diplo> :)
[11:28] <diplo> So drop one of the 2's
[11:29] <diplo> Did that work ?
[11:29] <ndf> damnit, my cuppa's not bottomless =(
[11:34] <papars> lol. I found it. the problem is that the configuration is not at /etc/i8mon like described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=842775
[11:34] <papars> but at ~/.i8kmon
[11:35] <papars> So I copied everything that the site mentions to ~/.i8kmon and it seems that it's ok now
[11:35] <papars> I spend roughly 7-8 hours to find a solution to this thing...
[11:35] <papars> Thanks a lot guys
[11:36] <ndf> I think usually the configs in /etc/ are supposed to be 'defaults' copied to ~/.programName/, seems they never copied?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> ndf: depends on the program. Most programs just read the /etc file, then the ~/.foo file
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> others read the ~/.foo if it exists, and /etc/foo if it doesn't
[11:37] <davmor2> papars: add it to your askubuntu.com request it might help others and if you should happen to forget on your next install it acts as a reminder :)
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> others "merge" both
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> (in memory)
[11:37] <ndf> ah right so it's a bit pick'n'mix mish-mash then
[11:37] <ndf> lol
[11:37] <papars> yes, I'm doing that now. Thanks a lot guys! :)
[11:40] <ndf> =)
[11:43] <papars> Posted! Again, thanks a lot guys. I have to leave now. Take care :)
[11:46] <ndf> =)
[11:50] <ndf> awilkins: maybe gnome-activity-journal can help you?
[11:50] <awilkins> ndf, I have installed it but it just doesn't record enough data
[11:51] <awilkins> ndf, The visible activity is really sporadic and light because I do a lot of work in a terminal
[11:51] <ndf> oh right
[11:51] <papars> Can I ask you how we can set a program to run all time? I mean if I execute the command i8kmon my fan works fine. when I close the terminal it doesn't.
[11:52] <ndf> oh it seems it's just a GUI for zeitgeist anyway
[11:52] <papars> Therefore I need that i8kmon to run all the time
[11:57] <ndf> papars: I would imagine it would be one of the first things you want running, so I'd do some research on where you can put it in the init scripts? I'm not sure how appropriate this method is but it's all that came to my mind
[11:59] <diplo> papars, tclsh /usr/bin/i8kmon --daemon --nouserconfig --auto
[11:59] <diplo> From that link I gave you earlier
[11:59] <diplo> in the comments
[12:15] <papars> diplo: so that means I'll have to execute it manually every time I turn on my computer?
[12:19] <awilkins> papars, Usual way is to have a script in /etc/init.d/
[12:19] <awilkins> Well, for System V init
[12:21] <awilkins> Probably best to use system V init rather than upstart because Ubuntu will move to systemd
[12:21] <awilkins> `init` is the thing that starts things automatically when you bood
[12:22] <papars> oohh, thanks a lot. and what should I write in the script?
[12:23] <awilkins> papars, I don't have enough experience to tell you... but that should be enough for you to find things out ; have a look at /etc/init.d/dbus for example
[12:26] <awilkins> Then you have to actually add it to a runlevel to start up when your machine does
[12:30] <diplo> papars,
[12:30] <diplo> There is a set config(daemon) 1 for config according to manpages
[12:30] <diplo> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/i8kmon.1.html
[12:30] <diplo>    This program can be used by normal  users  as  Gnome  panel  applet  or
[12:30] <diplo>         started  as daemon by an init script. Under Debian GNU/Linux it is pos‐
[12:30] <diplo>         sible to start the daemon automatically by creating an /etc/i8kmon con‐
[12:30] <diplo>         figfile  containing  the  line  "set  config(daemon)  1".  Note the the
[12:30] <diplo>         /etc/i8kmon configfile is not installed by the i8kutils package because
[12:30] <diplo>         the  program  is designed to be run by normal users. If you want to use
[12:30] <diplo>         it as daemon you must create the config file yourself.
[12:30] <diplo> Which is why you probably didn't have the config file there
[12:31] <ndf> well that sounds like a complete solution
[12:31] <ndf> =)
[12:33] <diplo> Lines looked smaller on the page than what was pasted here :)
[12:37] <popey> Got a dashcam! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWQ5GAr02A seems to work okay.
[12:41] <Azelphur> popey: now you can film crazy shenanigans like all the Russians do and be a youtube sensation \o/
[12:41] <popey> hehe
[12:41] <diddledan> I'm waiting for the crash
[12:41] <ndf> haha I love those crazy russians, they sort out road rage the best way: "get out and punch me!"
[12:42] <Azelphur> ndf: more like get into epic car chase, run car off the road, get out with crowbar xD
[12:42] <foobarry> what did you do to all the traffic
[12:43] <ndf> haha yeah I've also seen a car with a bear in it, a car with a cow hanging half out the back window, car with a horse in it... lol
[12:43] <Azelphur> ndf: don't forget the meteors.
[12:43] <ndf> of course!
[12:43] <ndf> lol
[12:43] <foobarry> what model popey
[12:43] <Azelphur> it's all fun and games on Russian dashcams
[12:43] <ndf> this looks a lot like Bristol
[12:43] <diddledan> in soviet russia
[12:43] <foobarry> farnborough
[12:44] <diddledan> ...
[12:44] <diddledan> cameras dash you?
[12:44]  * diddledan scratches his head
[12:44] <ndf> haha
[12:44] <diddledan> farnborough ftw
[12:45] <ndf> 3 advocates of Farnborough, /t #ubuntu-uk Welcome to #Farnborough
[12:45] <popey> hah
[12:46] <diddledan> just down teh roads from me
[12:46] <popey> not much traffic at lunchtime
[12:46] <popey> the clock on the cam is wrong, need to fix that
[12:46] <diddledan> amazingstoke for the more win
[12:46] <ndf> lol
[12:46] <foobarry> which camera is it?
[12:47] <foobarry> my wife is making an ubuntu mug warmer using the sills of crochet and felt
[12:47] <popey> G1W
[12:48] <foobarry> micro sd?
[12:49] <popey> ya
[12:49] <foobarry> usb charging via dangly cable? thats a prob though
[12:50] <foobarry> to cigarette socket
[12:50] <popey> yeah, routed it round the windscreen
[12:50] <popey> mostly hidden
[12:51] <foobarry> wonder if my car allows auto start/stop
[12:51] <popey> whats the issue?
[12:53] <foobarry> whether the cigarette socket gets power at ignition time, or is on all the time
[12:53] <ndf> ECU/wiring loom tech support -> #ubuntu-uk
[12:53] <mgdm> I suspect it'll be switched with the ignition
[12:54] <mgdm> at least all the cars I've ever done tat with have been that way
[12:54] <ndf> yeah mine is ignition
[12:55] <foobarry> one amazon review said it couldn't be mounted near the botton of the windscreen, popey seems to be ok there though
[12:55] <ndf> my dad just got a vauxhall insignia through his work and it automatically turns ignition off and back on again to start the engine again if you are still on the clutch if/when it stalls
[12:56] <foobarry> i get perturbed by cars that cut ignotiion when waiting at the traffic lights
[12:56] <ndf> haha yea
[12:57] <ndf> I don't like these electric parking brakes
[12:57] <ndf> they takee like 4 seconds to be put on
[12:57] <ndf> and I'm reaching for a handbrake that isn't there
[12:57] <ndf> lol
[12:57] <ndf> *-e
[12:59] <popey> foobarry: most cigarette lighters in front are only on when ignition is on
[12:59] <popey> the ones in the boot on my car are always on, good for a fridge
[13:01] <popey> yea, i mounted it at the top, but you get reflections from the dashboard. will play with the angles a bit
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> not good for starting the engine after running the fridge for a week :P
[13:02] <ndf> MartijnVdS: +1, did that with our Land Rover
[13:02] <popey> indeed
[13:04] <popey> surprised nobody watched the video and picked holes in my driving ☻
[13:06] <foobarry> i think you were driving carefullt
[13:07] <foobarry> easier when there's no traffic
[13:07] <davmor2> popey: I haven't seen it yet :D
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> yeah.. where IS everyone? the road is almost empty ;)
[13:14] <popey> lunchtime is quiet in farnborough, although I was on the outskirts, not in the middle of "town"
[13:14] <popey> will do another later
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: the video looks great though
[13:15] <popey> yeah, it's not bad given bright sky, dark road
[13:15] <popey> dunno how much it will record time-wise.
[13:16] <popey> actually I can calculate it
[13:16] <popey> -rw-r--r--  1 alan alan 282M Jun 29 18:14 18110006.MOV
[13:16] <popey> 3 mins
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: have you had it long enough to check night-time quality?
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: so.. 100M/min?
[13:16] <popey> no
[13:16] <popey> yeah, about that
[13:16] <popey> 32GB card
[13:17] <foobarry> question is do i buy one instead of a chrome cast
[13:17] <foobarry> gonna be an expensive month
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> 320 minutes :)
[13:17] <popey> content consumption or content creation? ☻
[13:17] <foobarry> chromecast, synology and a spinning wheel
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> chromecast isn't that expensive though. Dashcam costs at least twice as much
[13:18] <popey> nah
[13:18] <popey> dashcam + card = 46 quid
[13:18] <popey> chromecast = 30 quid
[13:19] <mgdm> Chromecast \o/
[13:20] <foobarry> i was gonna buy my boss a cc too
[13:20] <foobarry> for being a good boss
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: only 46?
[13:21] <popey> yeah
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> wow. When I last looked they started at €100
[13:22] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IPDD59W/
[13:23] <popey> also, skies over farnborough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZXxNvuQCNE
[13:23] <popey> time lapse of 13:00 to 14:00
[13:23] <popey> ish
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> time lapse \o/
[13:23] <popey> there's an interesting cloud formation which pops into view at ~29 s :D
[13:23] <ndf> ooh I like timelapses
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: "License Plate" is a feature of the device. What does that mean?
[13:24] <foobarry> hopeflly ocr
[13:24] <popey> you type in your plate, it puts it on screen
[13:24] <foobarry> meh
[13:24] <popey> i guess if you had lots of cars
[13:24] <popey> and wanted to know which video came from which car
[13:25] <popey> got the webcam out because it's airshow soon, get some footage of planes flying about
[13:26] <foobarry> yay
[13:26] <foobarry> bad traffic though
[13:26] <foobarry> farnborough at airshow time sucks
[13:27] <ali1234> 60FPS pls
[13:27] <foobarry> we had a wedding in farnham to go to and farnborough air show broke it
[13:27] <ali1234> youtube supports it now
[13:27] <popey> haha
[13:28] <ndf> oops, paused the vm for a sec there
[13:28] <ndf> lol
[13:29] <ndf> hm chromecast looks cool, but don't most people have computers attatched to their TVs already?
[13:29] <foobarry> no
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> no. way too noisy
[13:29] <mgdm> most people? absolutely not
[13:29] <ali1234> annoyingly i think old videos uploaded with 60FPS don't playback at 60FPS
[13:29] <foobarry> chromecast negates it
[13:30] <ndf> hm so the home media pc is not real?
[13:30] <mgdm> I have an Apple TV and a Chromecast, I doubt I've used the ATV since the CC (and my N7) arrived
[13:30] <foobarry> most people do not have them
[13:31] <ali1234> most people don't have HTPCs because they're noisy and buggy and annoying
[13:31] <foobarry> i have a mac mini running debian that i plug to my pvr using usb1 for backups
[13:31] <popey> ali1234: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9MN7AyfaVk in theory that's 60fps
[13:31] <mgdm> ndf: media PCs are something that a tiny minority of geek types have
[13:31] <popey> can you tell?
[13:31] <ndf> well I've always had a computer attached to my TV, and a lot of my friends do, so we must be an anomaly
[13:31] <foobarry> most people have consoles
[13:31] <mgdm> it's why things like YouView and Sky boxes and Tivo do so well
[13:31] <ali1234> popey: right click -> stats for nerds - tells you the framerate
[13:31] <mgdm> most folk want something with a relatively normal remote, not something with a keyboard and mouse
[13:32] <foobarry> anyone know about NPAPI plugins and chrome v35+ ?
[13:32] <ndf> true; my xbox broke 2 years ago and I've not console-gamed since then
[13:32] <foobarry> java no worky
[13:32] <ali1234> i'm not sure if a) linux flash can't do it, b) youtube doesn't support it for all videos yet, c) my computer just sucks (unlikely) - but it isn't working
[13:32]  * awilkins has an ancient MythTV box that is noisy
[13:32] <popey> fps isnt one it has
[13:32] <awilkins> Sempron running at 1.3GHz
[13:32] <ali1234> popey: are you using pepper flash?
[13:32] <awilkins> 512MB of RAM shared with GPU
[13:32] <popey> dunno
[13:32] <ndf> mgdm: i have a Veho Mimi key-003 (it's a game pad with qwerty keyboard and sixaxis mouse control
[13:33] <ali1234> well i'm using firefox... it shows fps here
[13:33] <popey> no, html5
[13:33] <awilkins> Was thinking of replacing it with a NUC or something but I'd have to replace my whole setup (I'm still in SDWorld)
[13:33] <mgdm> ndf: yes - most people don't want that
[13:34] <awilkins> mgdm, Mmmm, but people are OK with TiVo
[13:34] <mgdm> that's my point
[13:34] <awilkins> mgdm, My HTPC is noisy, which is mostly a hardware consideration
[13:34] <ndf> I'm tempted to build a new TV box as NAS/DVB-over-satellite so I can watch freesat and play with weather satellites
[13:35] <awilkins> mgdm, I could happily replace it all with quieter hardware but the same software
[13:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: welcome to the fun that is house buying
[13:35] <mgdm> Sure, but you're in the minority
[13:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: bloomin' slow process that is it
[13:35] <bigcalm> that it is
[13:36] <awilkins> mgdm, My ex loved the thing ; wouldn't let me change anything about it, even the theme
[13:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed have a chat with aquarius if you think yours is slow :D
[13:37] <ali1234> popey: the titanfall video plays at 60fps for me but only at 720p quality. your video however does not
[13:37] <popey> hmm
[13:37] <popey> 2014070113_60.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 1280 x 720, >30 fps, video: Microsoft MPEG-4 v2
[13:37] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SRTEXSpcyI
[13:38] <ali1234> i wonder if google bought twitch.tv to get their 60fps streaming tech
[13:38] <davmor2> ali1234: I was about to tell you to watch your language then ;) titan-fall really needs a hyphen in it :)
[13:38] <ndf> bit of an 'anfall
[13:38] <ali1234> they've had it for ages. ironically their flash player is terrible and plays about 10fps but if you stream the stream with mplayer it looks incredible
[13:39] <foobarry> how can i find how routes have been added on centos/RH? have checked /etc/rc.local and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/route-eth1
[13:48] <diplo> route -n
[13:48] <diplo> Or just route - the -n doesn't look up dns
[13:48] <diplo> And if it's an older CentOS box it used to be in network-scripts/static-routes
[13:48] <foobarry> ip route tells me about routes
[13:49] <foobarry> but cannot reboot to see if persistent
[13:49] <diplo> Ah.. umm I can't say I've had to check that as it's me who adds them most of the time :D
[13:49]  * diplo looks
[13:50] <diplo> But tbh, if it's not in one of those 3 places I'd say it isn't
[13:54] <ndf> transforming to ash can't be much different from transforming to poo
[13:54] <ndf> oops wrong chan hahah
[13:55] <foobarry> #poolovers
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> ndf: if you want to be the very best, like no-one ever was...
[13:55] <ndf> haha
[15:56] <foobarry> 4G on giffgaff sucks
[15:56] <foobarry> poor deal
[15:57] <MooDoo> phew nick back
[16:21] <mapp> whats wrong with my damn 3g
[16:21] <mapp> speedtest app shows ping of 7870ms 0.58 down 1.76 up
[16:21] <mapp> so slow to access anything
[16:21] <mapp> foobarry why? i thought giffgaff powered by o2?
[16:25] <KrimZon> ndf: different computers
[16:33] <KrimZon> oh wow, a geforce 6600 looks to be still supported by ubuntu 14.04
[16:33] <Myrtti> bad MobileFun, BAD!
[16:34] <Myrtti> nnngghhh I don't want to buy a Pebble
[16:34] <Myrtti> noooooooo
[16:35] <mapp> 7870ms ping
[16:35] <mapp> like lol
[16:37] <mapp> 7870ms ping ee 3g
[16:37] <mapp> my other sim ee 4g 48ms ping
[16:37] <mapp> how can the 3g be THAT much worse
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> mapp: different protocols. Different tower. Busier network.
[16:41] <mapp> ah
[16:41] <mapp> i assumed it was same tower and network
[16:41] <mapp> i figured itd be busier but still thought its same network
[16:42] <davmor2> foobarry: tesco mobile aren't charging any extra for 4g if that helps
[16:44] <awilkins> Allegedly you can punt a Nexus 4 into LTE mode with some kind of hack
[16:44] <bashrc> LTE mode?
[16:44] <awilkins> 4g
[16:44] <bashrc> oh
[16:44] <davmor2> awilkins: I thought you just needed to update android
[16:45] <awilkins> davmor2, Don't think so, wasn't advertised as being a feature
[16:45] <mapp> is it not meant to be 4g capable then?
[16:45] <bashrc> I think nexus 4 is 3g
[16:45] <davmor2> awilkins: it was always supported on the chip just not by the version android it shipped with.  I could be wrong though
[16:45] <awilkins> It is, but hardware is there for 4g
[16:45] <awilkins> There's an app to flash the modem to 4g capable :-)
[16:45] <awilkins> But you have to root it.
[16:46] <davmor2> http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/themes-apps/app-nexus-4-modem-flasher-lte-enabler-t2607221
[16:47] <davmor2> indeed needs app and modem flash
[16:49] <awilkins> Also, LTE would basically destroy most peoples data plan in the UK in a few minutes :-)
[16:49] <awilkins> Well, if you used it
[16:49] <awilkins> To it's full extent
[16:49] <awilkins> But for lower latency and congestion it sounds like a winner
[16:52] <davmor2> awilkins: I don't know you can get an unlimited data plan on tesco mobile and they charge no more for their 4g plan so that must be a winner right :D
[16:52] <davmor2> awilkins: it would certainly test their definition of unlimited I guess :)
[16:53] <awilkins> Ah, I'm on 1TB
[16:53] <awilkins> OOps,. 1GB
[16:53] <awilkins> 1TB would be a bit awesome 'cos I'm allowed tethering too
[16:55] <awilkins> Bah, NExus 4 LTE flash useless to me
[16:56] <awilkins> And everyone else in the UK
[16:56] <awilkins> Only works on band 4
[16:56] <awilkins> UK LTE networks are on bands 3, 7, 20, 42 and 43
[16:57] <Azelphur> awilkins: afaik the Nexus 4 has no antenna connected to its LTE chip either, so even if it did work, it'd be near useless
[16:57] <Azelphur> that was my understanding when I read about the hack ages ago
[18:44] <Azelphur> Is there any eye-candy stuff yet besides compiz?
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: for what?
[18:44] <Azelphur> for eye candy?
[18:44] <Azelphur> I mean, similar sort of functionality to compiz, just not compiz
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> yeah but context?
[18:45] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: in the context of fancy desktop eye candy, the cube was cool, that sort of thing
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> ah.. I think they stopped innovating with burning and wobbly windows
[18:46] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: It went down the toilet when canonical started breaking it sadly
[18:46] <Azelphur> they introduced a bunch of changes for unity, broke a bunch of stuff, and never bothered to fix any of the stuff they broke as it wasn't used in Unity
[18:47] <Azelphur> but yea, I heard about compton, I'm not sure what that does, might be interesting
[18:50] <davmor2> Azelphur: how do you think canonical broke compiz exactly?
[18:50] <Azelphur> davmor2: they introduced a bunch of bugs as I say
[18:51] <davmor2> Azelphur: no we didn't. Unity is just a plugin we didn't touch compiz
[18:51] <Azelphur> davmor2: that smspillaz fellow is a canonical dude, isn't he?
[18:52] <Azelphur> davmor2: I'm mostly re-iterating what I was told by scott moreau, who was/is a developer
[18:54] <davmor2> Azelphur: So he was and worked on compiz aiui making compiz faster and more reliable. Or I think that was the plan at least
[18:54] <Azelphur> davmor2: yea, may have been the theory, but in practice it seems to have introduced a few bugs, I haven't tried compiz in like a year, maybe it has improved since then.
[18:55] <Azelphur> as I say last time I tried cube was broken, it'd constantly wipe your settings for no particular reason (ccsm bug?) and if you enabled certain addons it'd crash, although I can't remember which
[18:55] <Azelphur> tl;dr it was pretty broke
[18:59] <ali1234> Azelphur: yes, xfwm supports ezoom now
[18:59] <ali1234> compiz didn't have any other useful features, therefore you may now stop using it
[18:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: that is one of the main things I missed
[19:00] <Azelphur> I haven't been using it for a while, but 2560x1440 is somewhat painful without zoom
[19:00] <Azelphur> how do I zoom in XFCE?
[19:02] <ali1234> turn on compositor, hold alt, mousewheel
[19:03] <Azelphur> I see :)
[19:03] <ali1234> davmor2: canonical broke compiz by poaching the lead developer then persuading him to move development to launchpad and alienating all the other developers
[19:08] <Azelphur> ali1234: some googling reveals kwin as an option too
[19:09] <ali1234> kwin is really buggy with nvidia
[19:09] <Azelphur> ah
[19:09] <ali1234> just like compiz, in fact, but worse
[19:09] <ali1234> xfwm uses xrender and gets far better performance with nvidia prop drivers
[19:09] <Azelphur> yea, but xfwm doesn't have any eye candy :<
[19:09] <ali1234> but you will get tearing
[19:10] <ali1234> i'm waiting on nvidia to support present and dri3, then the tearing will go away. but they'll probably never do that.
[19:10] <ali1234> what they might do is support wayland, and Xwayland supports present, so then we'll get tear free that way
[19:11] <Azelphur> yea, I reckon the wayland support will be the next thing
[19:11] <ali1234> wayland isn't very interesting for desktops, except as a backend for X
[19:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: weston is pretty cool
[19:11] <ali1234> lol
[19:12] <ali1234> no it isn't. it only got minimize support about a month ago
[19:12] <ali1234> it's a toy at best
[19:12] <Azelphur> wat
[19:12] <Azelphur> you're behind the times :P
[19:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: this video is 9 months old and clearly shows minimize along with a load of other stuff being used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZJrCt9e7To
[19:13] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[19:13] <ali1234> have you ever actually used it?
[19:13] <Azelphur> nope
[19:14] <ali1234> those are launchers, not minimized windows
[19:14] <ali1234> it doesn't even have a panel that shows running apps
[19:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: if it's launchers, why does he have the same launcher 4 times?
[19:15] <ali1234> because the apps he's running all have the same default icon
[19:15] <ali1234> they are the weston samples
[19:15] <ali1234> you can install weston today and run it in a window
[19:15] <ali1234> the version in 14.04 isn't new enough to have minimize
[19:16] <ali1234> if you click the minimize button it just prints "minimize_hook" on the terminal you ran it from
[19:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxqdEcFV0M
[19:17] <Azelphur> another one, clearly shows minimize
[19:17] <ali1234> one thing it does have going for it is that it can emulate multimonitor by opening two windows
[19:17] <Azelphur> I think it has potential, but I agree it's not ready for a daily driver yet
[19:17] <ali1234> yeah that is soreau's experimental branch with minimize support
[19:17] <ali1234> check video uploader
[19:17] <Azelphur> I know
[19:18] <Azelphur> I keep an eye on soreau, he's always doing cool things.
[19:18] <ali1234> there's a reason why he forked it all...
[19:18] <Azelphur> yea, because the main repo is slow to accept changes
[19:18] <ali1234> it's not about speed
[19:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: I think that was one of the reasons Canonical went off int he Mir direction too
[19:19] <ali1234> maybe. mir isn't really very different to wayland at all
[19:20] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:06] <ali1234> okay so i did the steam homedir thing
[20:06] <ali1234> now i need to add /home/steam to the xdg path searched for .desktop files
[20:06] <ali1234> or rather /home/steam/.local/share/applications/
[20:12] <ali1234> it's actually very easy to make a "portable" steam this way
[20:13] <ali1234> or share one install with multiple users
[20:21] <foobarry> http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/1/5860878/arcade-machines-found-in-old-building
[20:28] <foobarry> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krita/krita-open-source-digital-painting-accelerate-deve
[20:28] <foobarry> krita doing kickstarter, reach first goal
[20:29] <foobarry> "The reason our last release was so good is that the Krita Foundation has been able to fund Dmitry Kazakov to work on Krita full-time for 6 months."
[23:08] <dogmatic69_> how can I install something and exclude some dependencies?
[23:08] <dogmatic69_> eg: I use cherokee server and percona, something wants apache / mysql