[00:15] <ochosi> Noskcaj, Unit193: thanks both of you!
[00:15] <Noskcaj> done
[00:15]  * Unit193 didn't do it.
[00:15] <Noskcaj> no problem ochosi 
[00:16] <ochosi> alrighty, gotta get some sleep
[00:16] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:17] <Noskcaj> g'night ochosi
[08:07] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:10] <Noskcaj> evening ochosi
[08:13] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj 
[08:13] <ochosi> so whisker is where now, debian, utopic?
[08:13] <Noskcaj> debian svn, waiting for corsac
[08:14] <ochosi> okeydokey
[08:14] <ochosi> mind to add that to trello so we keep it on the radar for utopic?
[08:14] <Noskcaj> I could upload it straight to ubuntu, but it seems pointless
[08:14] <ochosi> sure
[08:15] <Noskcaj> ok, just let me have dinner
[08:15] <ochosi> sure, bon appetit!
[08:26] <ochosi> Unit193: could you do a MR for adding inxi to the seed plz?
[08:26] <ochosi> Unit193: i'll merge it and then we can go for a -meta upload in utopic
[10:49] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, Unit193, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7730800/ <- opinions please
[10:51] <qwebirc864665> damn connection
[10:53] <knome> hey slickymasterWork, or qwebirc864665 
[10:53] <qwebirc864665> hey knome, good morning
[10:53] <knome> good afternoon :)
[10:53] <qwebirc864665> knome, did you saw the link I just posted?
[10:54] <qwebirc864665> care to give me your, always precious, input on it?
[10:54] <knome> yep
[10:54] <knome> what is it for?
[10:57] <qwebirc665109> sorry knome, I fall out yet again
[10:57] <knome> np
[10:57] <qwebirc665109> so, what do you think?
[10:59] <knome> 13:54  knome: what is it for?
[11:03] <knome> huhu, what a connection
[11:04] <Unit193> knome: FAQ?
[11:04] <knome> mmh,
[11:04] <knome> seems to me like the recommends are useless
[11:04] <knome> and recommends, kind of...
[11:04] <Unit193> Yeah.
[11:05] <knome> i mean, why wouldn't somebody just want it all
[11:06] <slickymasterWork> knome: it's for this -> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-25-10.00.log.html#l-35
[11:06] <knome> right
[11:07] <knome> 14:04  knome: seems to me like the recommends are useless
[11:07] <knome> 14:04  knome: and recommends, kind of...
[11:07] <knome> 14:04  Unit193: Yeah.
[11:07] <knome> 14:05  knome: i mean, why wouldn't somebody just want it all
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> another thing, do I have write permissions in the site»
[11:07] <knome> slickymasterWork, you're able to write and edit drafts, but not publish
[11:08] <knome> (or edit published posts)
[11:08] <slickymasterWork> so, in your opinion I should remove the recommends Q?
[11:08] <knome> well to me it looks like overkill
[11:08] <knome> instead of that, why don't you give some commands to get information on stuff
[11:09] <knome> most users aren't interested in package recommends/dependencies, they'll just install what they need to get it working
[11:09] <slickymasterWork> yeah, that makes sense, even because ochosi intends it not to be thorough
[11:09] <knome> (and if inxi is installed by default, we'll control which recommends it has (probably all))
[11:09] <Unit193> Also, it'll already be there, so nothing to install.
[11:09] <knome> yep
[11:20] <ochosi> yup
[11:20] <ochosi> the important part is: how can you use it to debug
[11:20] <ochosi> just give one or two illustrative examples
[11:21] <ochosi> we can always link to the online manpage of inxi for further information
[11:21] <ochosi> Unit193: thanks for the MR
[11:21] <Unit193> Sure.
[11:22] <ochosi> will merge it shortly
[11:24] <ochosi> Unit193: merged. could you get the upload process going?
[11:25] <Unit193> ochosi: I'd prefer to punt to bluesabre, but in theory I could...
[11:28] <ochosi> well let me rephrase then: could you make sure one of you two...?
[11:33] <ochosi> bbl
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> knome, ochosi, Unit193, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7730982/ <- new and revised version
[11:38] <slickymasterWork> let me know what you think of it
[11:44] <bluesabre> ochosi, Unit193, I can do it tonight... assuming you want me to try to get it to utopic
[11:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Of course, and ping me if you need assist.
[11:45] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: Looks better.
[11:46] <Unit193> Still think the IRC note might be helpful, but that could just be me.
[11:46] <slickymasterWork> Unit193: do you think that anything more should be added to it?
[11:46] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, you mean how to use it with irc=
[11:46] <slickymasterWork> ?
[11:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thought that'd be a good idea.
[11:47] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: Yeah.
[11:48] <slickymasterWork> right Unit193, I'll add it
[11:48] <bluesabre> I'll sign up for my meeting for upload rights tonight as well, got up a bit late this morning
[11:49] <bluesabre> I now have two sponsor endorsements https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication :)
[11:53] <knome> bluesabre, goodie
[12:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: great! lemme know when you hand it in!
[12:12] <Unit193> Yes indeed, very good.
[12:12] <slickymasterWork> knome, ochosi, Unit193, http://xubuntu.org/?p=2548
[12:15] <slickymasterWork> lunch time ->
[12:16] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: currwntly on mobile, will review when i'm back at a computer...
[12:16] <slickymasterWork> ok ochosi 
[12:16] <ochosi> meh typos, there you go
[12:18] <elfy> System:    Host hob-unicorn Kernel 3.15.0-6-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop N/A 
[12:18] <elfy>            Distro Ubuntu 14.10 utopic 
[12:18] <elfy> Machine:   System Gigabyte product N/A
[12:18] <elfy>            Mobo Gigabyte model H61M-S2PV Bios American Megatrends v FE date 06/21/2012
[12:18] <elfy> CPU:       Dual core Intel Pentium G870 (-MCP-) cache 3072 KB 
[12:18] <elfy>            Clock Speeds 1 2000 MHz 2 1600 MHz
[12:18] <elfy> Graphics:  Card NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210]
[12:18] <elfy>            Display Server X.Org 1.15.1 drivers nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
[12:18] <elfy>            Resolution 1920x1080@59.9hz
[12:18] <elfy>            GLX Renderer GeForce 210/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 331.79
[12:18] <elfy> Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller driver snd_hda_intel 
[12:18] <elfy>            Card-2 Creative Labs SB Audigy driver snd_emu10k1 
[12:18] <elfy>            Card-3 Logitech Webcam C270 driver USB Audio 
[12:18] <elfy>            Sound Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v k3.15.0-6-generic
[12:18] <elfy> Network:   Card Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet driver atl1c
[12:18] <elfy>            IF eth0 state up speed 100 Mbps duplex full mac <filter>
[12:18] <elfy> Drives:    HDD Total Size 1160.2GB (55.1% used) ID-1 /dev/sda model ST3160812AS size 160.0GB
[12:18] <elfy>            ID-2 /dev/sdb model Hitachi_HDS72101 size 1000.2GB
[12:18] <elfy> Partition: ID-1 / size 15G used 6.0G (44%) fs ext4 dev /dev/sda2 
[12:18] <elfy>            ID-2 swap-1 size 4.19GB used 0.00GB (0%) fs swap dev /dev/sda5 
[12:18] <Unit193> Exactly why you need to use inxi -c0 | pastebinit
[12:18] <elfy> RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
[12:18] <elfy> Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu 32.0C mobo 29.8C gpu 52C 
[12:18] <elfy>            Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu 1046 fan-2 1069 fan-3 0 fan-4 0 fan-5 0 
[12:18] <elfy> Info:      Processes 154 Uptime 6:22 Memory 1096.8/3917.0MB Client HexChat 2.10.0 inxi 2.1.28 
[12:18] <elfy> just so you know that it might be an idea to add |pastebinit to the inxi irc commands :)
[12:19] <elfy> FAQ needs to reflect that :)
[12:19] <knome> HUHU
[12:19] <knome> !pastebin | elfy 
[12:19] <knome> :P
[12:19] <Unit193> :D
[12:19] <slickymasterWork> there's already a FAQ about using it with an IRC client elfy 
[12:19] <elfy> knome: indeed - but people will see the faq, and use what we say 
[12:19] <knome> yep...
[12:20] <elfy> slickymasterWork: I just used waht the FAW says - and it says nothing about pastebinit
[12:20] <elfy> faq
[12:20] <elfy> /exec -o inxi -<option>
[12:20] <slickymasterWork> well, that's beacuse it's not contemplated in inxi help
[12:21] <slickymasterWork> but surelly, I can add it
[12:21] <elfy> all I am saying is that people WILL use the FAQ and WILL use what it says :)
[12:21] <elfy> yep :)
[12:21] <slickymasterWork> yes, and I agree with you
[12:22] <Unit193> (FWIW, -c0 just disables the colors so it's readable.)
[12:22] <slickymasterWork> I'll do it after lunch
[12:27] <elfy> do we actually need to have the irc commands? surely we just the cli one + pastebinit
[12:27] <bluesabre> maybe we should make a pastebinit bot
[12:27] <bluesabre> :D
[12:29] <knome> like, which detects flood, quiet's the user and somehow magically gets the rest of the paste and pastes a link for that
[12:29] <knome> ?
[12:35] <bluesabre> * *magic* * \o/
[12:35] <knome> well, it would have to be opped
[12:35] <knome> then it could see anything that the quieted user pasted
[12:37] <bluesabre> hm
[12:37] <bluesabre> anywho, gotta head to work, bbl
[12:39] <Unit193> As long as +z was set.
[12:39] <knome> Unit193, well we could make sure it was/is
[12:39] <Unit193> But, I do have the first part covered. :P
[12:40] <Unit193> +N  desktop-guide/po/id.po
[12:43] <knome> idaho?
[12:47] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh cool, just saw the other one, thanks.
[13:02] <ochosi> Unit193: sure, felt productive and cleaned up a few MRs
[14:01] <slickymasterWork> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/01/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t11:46 <- elfy, about the need on need having the irc commands in inxi FAQs
[14:02] <slickymasterWork> bah too many needs :P
[14:09] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, knome, added the ' | pastebin' parameter to the irc commands. http://xubuntu.org/?p=2548 is ready for review
[14:13] <Unit193> qwebirc533562: Forgot the -c0 option, and you'll want to change '| pastebin' => '| pastebinit' otherwise looks good.
[14:13] <qwebirc533562> lol Unit193, I saw that after previewing the page~
[14:13] <qwebirc533562> and I'll add the -c0 option
[14:13] <Unit193> (If you want to be consistant, weechat has -bx while the others have -option)
[14:14] <Unit193> Great, thanks.
[14:14] <qwebirc533562> didn't knew that about weechat
[14:14]  * qwebirc533562 never udes it
[14:14] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/8yoSSlqK4zkXBb2bLAPW
[14:14] <Unit193> That's without -c0
[15:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Reviewed your lightdm-gtk-greeter MP a little, you may want to address those issues.
[15:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh jolly, what's in the archive is what's "broken" not what you're proposing. :/
[15:25] <Unit193> Noskcaj: And, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-session/merge/+merge/224396 are you *sure* you want to be removing light-locker from xflock4?  And setting the desktop in xinitrc?
[15:26] <Unit193> Also, systemd-sysv is as of yet not in Ubuntu, but it's an alternate dep.
[17:12] <ochosi> so, as i said, xubuntu-meta needs an update
[17:12] <ochosi> then elfy and Unit193 should coordinate the testing/feedback phase a bit
[17:13] <ochosi> then after that's done we write some info about it
[17:13] <Unit193> ochosi: So, which methods of installation are you looking to support?
[17:16] <ochosi> Unit193: haven't thought about that yet tbh
[17:16] <ochosi> which ones would you support? 
[17:17] <slickymasterWork> whenever you have 5 minutes to spare ochosi there's a draft in the site for review about the inxi FAQs
[17:18]  * ochosi is currently on a train, so not the best time to do that
[17:18] <ochosi> but i'll take a look
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> np
[17:19] <ochosi> in fact Unit193 should primarily review it, he knows the most about inxi (and proposed it)
[17:19] <slickymasterWork> Unit193: ^^ an official comment/review is due on that
[17:19] <slickymasterWork> ;)
[17:20]  * slickymasterWork kind of smiles throwing some paperwork at Unit19
[17:20] <slickymasterWork> +3
[17:20] <ochosi> evil evil... .>
[17:23] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/core.html slapped that up quickly.
[17:26] <Unit193> ochosi: Think we could merge something like http://paste.openstack.org/show/cxSbNu7sUd5wjCOZjEuH/ before upload? :)
[17:28] <ochosi> heh, i guess we can
[17:28] <ochosi> put up a MR and i'll throw it in
[17:30] <ochosi> Unit193: small correction: do an "Expert (instead of "a")
[17:40] <Unit193> Fixed, and I can do the merge later, doesn't really matter if it's before the upload.
[17:40] <ochosi> sure, but why not fix everything as soon as we can
[17:41] <Unit193> Because this isn't really that important, it's so you can use `asciidoc` to turn those files into -> http://sigma.unit193.net/xubuntu.utopic/core-d.html
[17:41] <ochosi> yeah, i figured
[17:42] <ochosi> but it is something we want
[17:47] <Unit193> Yey!
[17:48] <Unit193> ochosi: Also, did you happen to see the merge proposals I linked to earlier?
[17:48] <ochosi> hm, which ones?
[17:49] <Unit193> elfy: ^ That's the link for generally how to test, except I don't remember precisely which install option doesn't install other crap, and which gets you to tasksel.  Also the second method we may not end up mentioning, but since it's an option....
[17:49] <Unit193> ochosi: https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-session/merge/+merge/224396 - and bluesabre's.
[17:50] <Unit193> But more that one, dm-tool doesn't do what we want with light-locker, right?
[17:50] <ochosi> you mean dm-tool over xflock?
[17:51] <Unit193> No, called from xflock4, line 2602 of that merge.
[17:54] <ochosi> dm-tool generally works with light-locker, but frankly it's been too long that i read that looong bugreport against xflock to remember whether there were any drawbacks
[17:54] <Unit193> So, light-locker-command -l -> dm-tool lock
[17:54] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
[17:55] <ochosi> i guess dm-tool doesn't fail gracefully (off the top of my head) if there's no light-locker running
[17:55] <ochosi> so that might be a security concern
[17:55] <ochosi> but other than that, i'm not sure now
[17:57] <Unit193> OK.
[18:00] <ochosi> bbabl
[18:34] <Unit193> Well hopefully that's alright http://paste.openstack.org/show/SmSMmJGCBrJ9VDR0MdFh/
[18:35] <slickymasterWork> ^^ that's something I can start to work on
[18:36] <Unit193> Uhhh, this is formatting for the seed files, what are you referring to?
[18:38] <slickymasterWork> I can see now the expected content of xubuntu-core
[18:38] <Unit193> It's trimmed, so not all of it. :)
[18:38] <slickymasterWork> :P
[18:54] <elfy> Unit193: so - are we now just waiting for it to be available for people to select to have a look at testing?
[18:54] <Unit193> knome: Fine, I got it.
[18:54] <Unit193> elfy: We're waiting for the meta upload so people can try the crazy minimal mode, but we don't need to.
[18:55] <elfy> we might not need to - but that's what I'll work towards 
[18:57] <Unit193> knome: That is to say, I got it how you want it, all weird like.
[19:02] <Unit193> knome: Your xinclude doesn't seem to function properly. >_>
[19:12] <knome> aha.
[19:12] <knome> Unit193, fix it?
[19:13] <knome> Unit193, and what do you mean by my?
[19:13] <knome> i told there was a problem with that before
[19:13] <knome> it appeared after the files moving for translations 
[19:13] <knome> it always worked before
[19:13] <Unit193> Hmm?
[19:14] <knome> hmm hmm.
[19:15] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/efb8eSwwweAKzGsanfxQ/
[19:16] <knome> aha?
[19:16] <knome> what's wrong with that?
[19:16] <knome> what's the content of translators.xml ?
[19:17] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/31kAytSOAp3tlfk2RoH9
[19:18] <knome> mm, that should be okay
[19:18] <knome> what's the error message then?
[19:18] <Unit193> No error, just not in the html file.
[19:19] <knome> hmm.
[19:19] <knome> what if you omit the xml header?
[19:19] <knome> also, is the translators.xml in the right directory?
[19:20] <knome> i had it working.
[19:20] <knome> manually, that is
[19:20] <knome> but it worked
[19:20] <Unit193> knome: Sorry, nevermind.  idp23238644 changes every time. >_<
[19:21] <knome> yep.
[19:22] <Unit193> So, F5 didn't work...
[19:22] <knome> of course not.
[19:24] <Unit193> I didn't know the page changed locations, that's very strange.  Anywho, as long as you like it in bash, it's done.  Do you want all translators, whether we ship it or not?
[19:24] <knome> the copyright page does. yeah, it's stupid and weird.
[19:25] <knome> all translators?
[19:25] <knome> no, i only want the translators for finnish on the finnish copyright page etc
[19:26] <Unit193> Waaait, I thought you said... Meh.
[19:26] <knome> haha.
[19:28]  * Unit193 kicks knome.
[19:28] <knome> ta.
[19:30] <Unit193> OK, well after that small change, it's all working (can't remember how much of a hack job this is even...)
[19:31] <knome> mhm
[19:31] <knome> great
[19:31] <Unit193> Now, see if you like it?
[19:32] <knome> i guess i should
[19:33] <knome> is it on the main branch?
[19:34] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/desktop-guide/ln-idp21542436.html - https://unit193.net/xubuntu/pt/ln-idp36271028.html - https://unit193.net/xubuntu/fi/ln-idp46358260.html
[19:35] <Unit193> I can't push anywhere fun.
[19:39] <Unit193> (Those are about to 404 in a second, doing another build.)
[19:42] <Unit193> for dir in am de en_AU en_GB es fi fr id it ja oc pl pt ru sq sv; do   Geeeeeez......
[19:49] <Unit193> No localization exists for "oc" or "". Using default "en".
[19:49] <Unit193> I dislike those.
[19:52] <knome> hu?
[19:52] <knome> :P
[19:53] <ochosi> any of you folks using bluetooth in 14.04?
[19:54] <knome> nah
[19:54] <knome> but tell me
[19:54] <ochosi> (i mean bluez or blueman or whatever the heck it's called we install by default)
[19:54] <ochosi> thing is that we have an icon bug there
[19:54] <ochosi> you can't see the difference between active, inactive and paired
[19:54] <knome> in 13.10, what actually controls my monitor power management?
[19:54] <elfy> that's why we made the testcase an optional - no-one was testing it
[19:54] <ochosi> it's always the same icon
[19:54] <knome> xfce4 power manager doesn't
[19:54] <knome> and is it fixed in 14.04?
[19:54] <ochosi> knome: you're digressing...
[19:55] <knome> ochosi, sure.
[19:55] <ochosi> either way, i'm mostly thinking to ask around whether others are annoyed too and if yes, we could try an SRU
[19:55] <ochosi> a SRU i mean
[19:55] <Unit193> knome: Problem?
[19:55] <ochosi> so far i don't remember seeing a bugreport about it
[19:55] <ochosi> but if any of you do, let me know
[19:55] <knome> Unit193, problem about?
[19:55] <knome> Unit193, i didn't check the URL's because you said they'd change.
[19:56] <ochosi> knome: so what's the powerman problem in 13.10?
[19:56] <knome> ochosi, i set the monitor-to-black to 15mins in the powerman
[19:56] <knome> but it blanks after 10
[19:56] <ochosi> hehe
[19:56] <ochosi> ofc
[19:56] <knome> "of course"
[19:56] <knome> yeah, sure...
[19:56] <ochosi> xfpm handles dpms, you're referring to blanking
[19:57] <knome> aha
[19:57] <ochosi> this is the whole thing we introduced lls for
[19:57] <knome> great
[19:57] <ochosi> it handles blanking
[19:57] <knome> so it ought to be fixed in 14.04?
[19:57] <ochosi> yeah, you can use lls to set the blank time
[19:57] <knome> nice
[19:57] <ochosi> but in 14.10 xfpm will handle it
[19:57] <ochosi> i implemented it a few days ago
[19:57] <knome> i don't care as long as it works..
[19:57] <knome> so,
[19:57] <ochosi> lls handles it in a very very hacky way
[19:58] <ochosi> (sets up a desktop file in autostart that sets that blank time)
[19:58] <knome> has the blank-screen-from-suspend SRU finally, completely, landed?
[19:58] <knome> fine by me.
[19:58] <ochosi> it should be in -updates, afaik
[19:58] <knome> i want to watch my youtube videos from HDMI output with no blanking.
[19:58] <ochosi> that's a different issue though
[19:58] <knome> is it?
[19:58] <ochosi> yeah
[19:58] <knome> what's the issue with that then?
[19:58] <ochosi> that's xdg-screensaver being buggy in ubuntu
[19:59] <knome> aha
[19:59] <ochosi> i proposed a MR about it a few weeks ago
[19:59] <ochosi> took me a while to find the problem and patch it
[19:59] <knome> ok, so if an app is in fullscreen, blanking shouldn't happen?
[19:59] <knome> is that what you are saying
[19:59] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/ru/ln-idp21556476.html have to say that looks the coolest. :P
[19:59] <ochosi> then media players should be able to normally inhibit the screensaver again
[20:00] <ochosi> Unit193: although the name of the translator is not cyrillic
[20:00] <ochosi> knome: so yeah, seb128 just confirmed today that he'll merge my patch and then sponsor it for utopic
[20:00] <ochosi> then we can SRU it
[20:00] <Unit193> knome: I built every language, FWIW.
[20:01] <ochosi> either way, it's a bash script, so if you don't want to wait, you can always apply my patch
[20:01] <knome> ochosi, right, but is that happening even if only ONE of the monitors has a fullscreen app?
[20:01] <knome> and is youtube fullscreen in firefox considered one?
[20:01] <knome> Unit193, nice.
[20:02] <knome> Unit193, push into a branch and do a MP, i'll get that merged soon
[20:08] <ochosi> i guess, i don't use youtube in fullscreen a lot
[20:09] <knome> mhm
[20:09] <ochosi> you can easily try by applying my 1line patch to xdg-screensaver i guess
[20:09] <knome> me neither, except when i'm outputting via HDMI...
[20:09] <Unit193> knome: Still looks like you stacked the deck. :P
[20:09] <ochosi> could be that youtube doesn't inhibit screensavers at all
[20:09] <knome> Unit193, huh?
[20:09] <knome> ochosi, i should upgrade to 14.04 on the laptop first..
[20:11] <ochosi> yup, i guess
[20:12] <knome> well i should
[20:12] <knome> i've just waited for the SRU
[20:14] <knome> actually, i'll upgrade now
[20:14] <ochosi> hmm, somehow our gmb stuff could also use an update...
[20:14] <knome> :)
[20:14] <ochosi> there are the icons, of which some are outdated
[20:14] <ochosi> then i wanted to implement a volume-control that people can optionally show
[20:14] <ochosi> (via the menu)
[20:15] <ochosi> to address another concern that was raised time and time again
[20:15] <knome> mm
[20:15] <ochosi> too much other stuff to do in fact though
[20:15] <knome> stupid concern though :P
[20:23] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/utopic/+merge/225229
[20:23] <knome> i'll look at it during half-time, if the upgrade is done by that
[20:24] <knome> probably not though
[20:27] <Unit193> I sware I used bzr add...
[21:05] <knome> ochosi, did you say the "nasty bug" with intel is fixed?
[21:05] <ochosi> intel? i never mentioned intel
[21:06] <knome> ochosi, the "window border is dashed" one
[21:06] <ochosi> ah right
[21:06] <ochosi> that one should be fixed
[21:07] <knome> because i just got it with trusty :]
[21:07] <ochosi> it was a while ago anyway
[21:07] <knome> or was it only fixed in utopic?
[21:07] <ochosi> no, it was even fixed in 13.10
[21:07] <ochosi> maybe a regression, who knows
[21:07] <knome> aha
[21:09] <knome> the indicator applet menu is weird/buggy
[21:09] <knome> the chosen row has a blue bg, but the text part has a white background
[21:09] <ochosi> you're a funny one, upgrading to your last lts release way after it has been released and then "discovering" oddities and bugs...
[21:10] <knome> haha
[21:10] <Unit193> Yeah, -messages does the weird double background for me.
[21:10] <knome> well i upgraded to trusty ages ago on desktop
[21:10] <knome> i just couldn't take the leap of faith with *all* production machines..
[21:11] <ochosi> either way, i gotta see the second half, so... ;)
[21:11] <knome> me too
[21:11] <knome> see you after that then ;)
[21:19] <knome> hmm
[21:20] <knome> right
[21:20] <knome> weird...
[21:21] <knome> well there's something fishy going in here.
[21:21] <knome> sometimes resuming from suspend after closing lid works perfectly.
[21:22] <Unit193> !fish-#ubuntu-offtopic
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[21:22] <knome> sometimes it resumes to a dimmed screen brightness, and after login, shows a blank screen
[21:23] <knome> xrandr says "Can't open display"
[21:23] <knome> i have all upgrades.
[21:24] <knome> and updates too..
[21:24] <knome> hooray?
[21:33] <knome> hmm, now it seems to work, magically..
[21:33]  * knome is happy enough
[21:33] <knome> will report a bug or sth if reappears
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[21:41] <ochosi> there is a bug with screen brightness
[21:41] <ochosi> not sure it's really related to light-locker though
[21:42] <knome> yeah, but the bigger problem was that after login the screen was blank
[21:42] <knome> and no brightness stuff helped
[21:42] <knome> but now it works...
[21:44] <ochosi> after installing the package from updates you need to change lls settings back and forth to make things work
[21:44] <ochosi> i guess we should blog about that at some point
[21:44] <knome> yeah, weirdo
[21:44] <ochosi> well actually it's not weird
[21:45] <knome> for a regular user it is
[21:45] <ochosi> just annoying
[21:45] <ochosi> yeah, but there's not much we can do about that
[21:45] <knome> i'm so tried :|
[21:45] <knome> really hope a quick BEL goal so i can go to bed
[21:48] <knome> it's been so close so long
[21:49] <ochosi> wrong chan
[21:49] <knome> haha
[21:49] <knome> yes father
[21:49]  * ochosi slaps knome 
[21:49] <knome> ta
[21:49] <ochosi> yw
[21:49]  * knome bows for the father
[22:50] <knome> Unit193, merged
[22:50] <knome> Unit193, ta
[22:50] <Unit193> Sure thing, doc.
[22:51] <ochosi> wait, i thought slickymaster was "doc"?
[22:52] <knome> just replace one of the vocals and add the mandatory k and it's me
[22:52] <knome> "one of the"...
[22:52] <knome> i'm fast today
[23:03] <Unit193> knome: Can I move the card to "Done"? :)
[23:06] <knome> yyep, i'd think so
[23:07] <slickymaster> Unit193, knome I've done it already 
[23:07] <Unit193> Hah.
[23:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: gah, so the utopic package got borked?
[23:08] <bluesabre> (greeter)
[23:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not precisely, is ido still needed?
[23:08] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[23:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: It lost all the Ubuntu specific history as the person doing the merge didn't feel it was needed.
[23:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, ido required for indicators
[23:09] <bluesabre> ah
[23:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: #ubuntu-devel, the icons last I knew.
[23:09] <bluesabre> so the person that rewrote my merge then
[23:09] <bluesabre> nice
[23:09] <bluesabre> :D
[23:09] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I don't know what the package is, but if it was ever synced, we probably lost everything before that
[23:10] <bluesabre> I'll look into repairing that
[23:10] <Unit193> See #ubuntu-devel. :P
[23:11] <bluesabre> ah
[23:11] <Noskcaj> oh
[23:11] <Unit193> Noskcaj: I pinged you about xfce4-session.
[23:12] <knome> ok, i'm off
[23:12] <knome> nighty all
[23:12] <Unit193> G'night.
[23:12] <bluesabre> night knome
[23:13] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I never saw it sorry
[23:13] <slickymaster> nighty knome 
[23:13] <Noskcaj> What was the issue?
[23:13] <ochosi> night knome 
[23:13] <Unit193> [11:25:01] < Unit193> Noskcaj: And, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-session/merge/+merge/224396 are you *sure* you want to be  removing light-locker from xflock4?  And setting the desktop in xinitrc?
[23:14] <Unit193> [11:26:18] < Unit193> Also, systemd-sysv is as of yet not in Ubuntu, but it's an alternate dep.
[23:14] <Noskcaj> mistakes were made
[23:15] <Noskcaj> I'll fix that thisafternoon