| wgrant | helmut: Thanks for poking us about that. Do you have a timeline for those packages starting to land in sid? | 00:24 |
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| DalekSec | (Instrusted to try asking here.) So why is it when I use bzr lp-propose (with or without target branch), it seemingly randomly targets whatever it wants, not what I specify? Most recently, I targetted nothing and it errord out, I targetted branch/utopic and it tried to submit to branch/trusty. | 03:55 |
| wgrant | DalekSec: How are you invoking it? | 04:01 |
| DalekSec | bzr lp-propose or bzr lp-propose lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.utopic or bzr lp-propose bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.utopic/ | 04:08 |
| DalekSec | Also tried putting in some "saved" location in .bzr/branch/branch.conf | 04:12 |
| wgrant | DalekSec: It's working fine for me. Which version of bzr are you using? | 04:15 |
| wgrant | ubuntu-seeds has no development focus, so there will be no default. | 04:16 |
| DalekSec | Installed: 2.6.0+bzr6593-1ubuntu1.1 | 04:16 |
| DalekSec | It'd be a great tool, but it works about 30% of the time.:/ | 04:17 |
| DalekSec | But yeah, happens on many different repos, that's just the latest. :/ | 04:21 |
| wgrant | DalekSec: It's a bug in bzr. It tries to turn the given submit branch URL into a Launchpad API URL using lp_api.LaunchpadBranch.from_bzr, which calls candidate_urls, which looks up the branch's parent branch. | 04:26 |
| wgrant | I'm not sure why it doesn't use bzr_branch.base | 04:27 |
| wgrant | But I'd be filing a bug against bzr. | 04:27 |
| DalekSec | I would if I knew what was going on more than bzr being bzr.. I'll use that info and see if I can find any reported bug. | 04:29 |
| DalekSec | Hrm, perhaps 1078211. | 04:34 |
| wgrant | Yup, that looks like it. | 04:35 |
| DalekSec | wgrant: As always, thanks for your help. Do you ever stop looking here? :P | 04:36 |
| wgrant | Sometimes for almost eight hours a day! | 04:36 |
| DalekSec | \o/ | 04:36 |
| DalekSec | Welp, have a good night. | 04:37 |
| wgrant | Night. | 04:37 |
| helmut | wgrant: we are in the process of updating the tools and updating the infrastructure. the next steps (hopefully) are uploading to wheezy-backports, updating ftp-master's installation and then uploading to experimental. I think sid should be safe for a month at least. | 04:47 |
| wgrant | helmut: Thanks. experimental's interesting for us too. I can easily formulate some example packages to test, but are there some existing samples? | 04:48 |
| helmut | wgrant: there are quite a few patches in the debian bts. most of them are in bug reports blocked by #744246 | 04:49 |
| helmut | (that's a debian number) | 04:49 |
| wgrant | helmut: Thanks. | 04:50 |
| helmut | wgrant: one thing I'd like to see become common is Build-Depends: myownbinarypackage <profile.cross> | 04:50 |
| helmut | wgrant: that's a good test-case, because it uses a profile in a positive way, so you need to ignore this build-dependency unless the cross profile is activated. | 04:51 |
| helmut | wgrant: cjwatson pointed out to me that lp:launchpad-buildd and sbuild likely need changes. I didn't check the former, but patches for the latter can be found at http://bugs.debian.org/731798 | 04:54 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 731798 in sbuild "sbuild: please add build profile support" [Normal,Open] | 04:54 |
| helmut | since debian traditionally uses a different sbuild package from the one in sid, this bug may stay open even after using build profiles. | 04:55 |
| wgrant | helmut: Our sbuild is currently a fork of DSA sbuild from ~2004, so sadly the patches won't be terribly useful. Until we upgrade to something more modern, I intend to do the minimum and just drop any dep that is restricted and doesn't have at least one negative term. | 04:55 |
| wgrant | That is the minimum, isn't it? | 04:56 |
| helmut | yes, that is perfectly ok and is what we are proposing the the wheezy-backports, see https://lists.debian.org/deity/2014/04/msg00142.html | 04:56 |
| helmut | there you can see example patches for dpkg and apt that support just the syntax without actually supporting profiles | 04:57 |
| helmut | and there is not much more to do anyway unless you actually want to use build profiles. | 04:58 |
| helmut | so just supporting the syntax may get you a long way. | 04:58 |
| helmut | the main use case currently is for cross-compilation and bootstrapping, where knowing what dependencies can be dropped in staged builds is cruicial. | 04:59 |
| wgrant | Yeah, exactly. We don't do early bootstrapping directly in Launchpad. We use a modern distro sbuild for that. | 05:00 |
| wgrant | Thanks. | 05:01 |
| helmut | if you have any other questions at a later time or need patch review, just ask. you'll reach those driving build profiles in oftc #debian-bootstrap | 05:02 |
| helmut | should I stumble accross more infrastructure pieces in Debian that likely have a match in launchpad, I shall notify you. | 05:02 |
| wgrant | helmut: Great. IRC or wgrant@ubuntu.com works, but I can't think of much else. I'll test it all out next week. | 05:04 |
| helmut | I see that launchpad will be faster in supporting build profiles than Debian will be. | 05:05 |
| wgrant | I'm hoping to avoid the unpleasantness back in 2010 of having to quickly implement 3.0 (quilt) just after it started landing it sid. | 05:07 |
| helmut | I guess that is why vorlon asked me to poke you. | 05:08 |
| helmut | wgrant: my plan is to use doxygen as a test package in experimental first and only if nothing breaks upload to sid. | 05:09 |
| wgrant | Sounds good. | 05:10 |
| wgrant | I hate the mess of loops around doxygen :) | 05:10 |
| helmut | in what ways did it cause grief to you? | 05:10 |
| wgrant | Oh, just the doxygen -> graphviz -> THE ENTIRE WORLD dep chain makes arch bootstraps annoying. | 05:11 |
| helmut | the profile stuff will not get around that issue | 05:11 |
| helmut | it only removes the qt dependency | 05:12 |
| wgrant | Ahh | 05:12 |
| helmut | on the bright side, bootstrapping is already in way better shape than it was recently (at least in sid) due to the amount of patches applied. | 05:14 |
| helmut | my personal interest resides mostly in https://wiki.debian.org/HelmutGrohne/rebootstrap </advertisement> | 05:15 |
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