[06:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:11] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:34] <Theblazehen> hi guys
[06:34] <Theblazehen> anyone else hit with no power?
[06:39] <Theblazehen> hey Kilos 
[06:41] <Kilos> hi Theblazehen 
[06:41] <Kilos> hit ThatGraemeGuy inetpro and others too
[06:41] <Kilos> s/hit/hi
[07:20] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19 
[07:26] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:26] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:27] <Kilos> howdy inetpro 
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> ow why you hit me?!
[07:27] <Kilos> when
[07:27] <Kilos> im not even there
 hit ThatGraemeGuy inetpro and others too
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[07:28] <Kilos> lol hi man note s/hiy/hi
[07:28] <Kilos> wbb sheep time
[07:36] <charl> good morning
[07:36] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:36]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:42] <Kilos> hi charl 
[07:42] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:42] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[07:42] <charl> hi Kilos 
[07:43] <charl> ok i'm asking an operator on freenode to nickserv drop this nickname now
[07:43] <charl> 09:37 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Aug 29 12:38:26 2012 (1 year, 43 weeks, 5 days, 18:58:59 ago)
[07:43] <Kilos> why?
[07:43] <charl> then i can register it
[07:43] <Kilos> ah
[07:44] <Kilos> you mean someone else had it
[07:44] <charl> some *sshole that registered it and never even used it
[07:44] <charl> 09:37 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen  : Aug 29 13:02:30 2012 (1 year, 43 weeks, 5 days, 18:34:55 ago)
[07:44] <Kilos> ya do that
[07:45] <Kilos> like when i started within a week my name was stolen and registered
[07:45] <JabberwockyA19> morning everyone o/
[07:45] <charl> hi JabberwockyA19 
[07:45] <Kilos> thats when i swopped to kilos and registered
[07:47] <charl> hi Vince-0 
[07:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:48] <Vince-0> haai mense
[08:10] <charl> bbl
[08:25] <charl> i has it :)
[08:28] <Kilos> good no more dragging tail
[08:29] <charl> lol
[08:29] <charl> i get no more tail now ?
[08:29] <charl> oh well i had enough tail already
[08:31] <Kilos> haha only if you disconnect and reconnect quickly
[08:37] <charl> nah i take it slow
[12:15] <mazal> Hi everyone
[12:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo mazal
[12:16] <mazal> Is it possible , with Ubuntu to create a LVM of two drives after install , and the two drives is not part of the OS
[12:16] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[12:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[12:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think so, but you need to describe in more detail
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> paste output of 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sd?' to http://slexy.org/
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> and also 'mount
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> and also 'mount', 'pvs' & 'lvs'
[12:19] <mazal> Here is my scenario , currently my Ubuntu runs on an external HDD. 14.04
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[12:19] <mazal> Backups runs to another external
[12:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[12:20] <mazal> However , my data ( that get's backed up ) has become too much for the 2TB backup drive.
[12:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> right
[12:20] <mazal> Now I am thinking of putting in 2x2TB internals and make one volume of them
[12:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[12:21] <mazal> But without re-installing my OS or installing my OS on the internals
[12:21] <mazal> This possible ?
[12:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> so they will just be storage, not hosting any O/S filesystems?
[12:21] <mazal> Correct. OS must stay on external as I use it at home and at work. OS must stay mobile
[12:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[12:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah you can do that
[12:22] <mazal> I know zero of LVM so don't even know where to start
[12:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you realise in that scenario, if 1 disk fails, your entire LVM is irrecoverable
[12:22] <mazal> I just know LVM can make 1 big volume of multiple drives
[12:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> i assume you're ok with that since its for backup space
[12:22] <mazal> Yeah that part bothers me a bit , maybe I must just keep two drives seperate and seperate the backups between them
[12:23] <mazal> 2 Seperate shares and just manage what goes where
[12:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> or get a third disk and make a RAID5 volume
[12:24] <mazal> I know even less of RAID lol
[12:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, without RAID, LVM just adds space together, and if a part of it dies the whole volume dies
[12:24] <mazal> Don't one need expensive raid cards for that ?
[12:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, linux software raid is perfectly feasible on modern hardware
[12:25] <mazal> Does RAID 5 add space together ?
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> RAID5 requires at least 3 disks
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you only get the usable space of 2
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> what happens is that every piece of data written is written in such a way that 1 missing piece can be re-constructed from the 2 non-missing pieces
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> (assuming a 3-disk array)
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> so in a RAID5 array with 3 disks, 1 entire disk can be lost and the data can still be read
[12:27] <mazal> So 3x TB disks gives 4tb usable space ?
[12:27] <mazal> 3x 2TB
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[12:27] <mazal> Hmm
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> for RAID5, your usable capacity is (n-1) x size of disk
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> where n is the number of disks
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> for RAID6 you can lose 2 whole disks so your usable capacity is (n-2) x size of disk
[12:28] <mazal> I will think a bit what the best option will be
[12:28] <mazal> All the data will be backups , not live data
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> so a RAID6 with 5x 2TB disks gives you 3x 2TB of capacity, and up to 2 disks can fail completely and your data is still accessible
[12:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> if it were me and its for backup only I'd just go with RAID0 or LVM
[12:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> actually if it were me i'd make it way more complicated probably ;-)
[12:30] <mazal> What's RAID0 ?
[12:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'd probably split each disk and have a RAID1 for crazy important data and a RAID0 for other stuff
[12:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> RAID0 is a "stripe", where your data is split and each disk gets a piece
[12:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if you lose a disk you lose all the pieces on that disk and the data as a whole is also toast
[12:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> similar to LVM, except LVM is more flexible as you can add any old size to an LVM but RAID0 pieces must be of equal size
[12:31] <mazal> So RAID0 will give 4TB as 1 volume , but everything gone if 1 drive fails ?
[12:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[12:32] <mazal> In a 2x 2TB setup
[12:32] <mazal> So RAID0 is same as LVM basically  ?
[12:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> almost, the members of a RAID0 must be the same size, but you can add any old bit of disk to LVM
[12:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> but in terms of "lost 1 piece, lose the whole pie", yes the same
[12:34] <mazal> Ok thanx Greame , will go think about all the options and decide what would be best
[12:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> good luck :-)
[12:55] <mazal> Bye everyone
[15:31] <Kilos> sorry, swopping modems
[17:37] <Kilos> grrrr i forgot the e220 times out
[17:37] <Kilos> ohi my superfly 
[17:38] <Kilos> hows you and the family
[17:56] <Kilos> oi oi oi
[18:21] <superfly> Maaz: Tell Kilos Hi, we're all fine. How are you?
[18:21] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[18:27] <Kilos> ah superfly sorry . i got something wrong here with modems disconnecting all the time
[18:27] <Kilos> apart from cold im good too ty
[18:27] <superfly> no problem
[18:27] <superfly> I'm not here all the time
[18:28] <Kilos> ya i n oticed
[18:28] <Kilos> took my new dlink to xp for a while and since them it seems to timeout like the e220 does
[18:28] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:37] <charl> wb Kilos 
[18:37] <charl> hi superfly 
[18:37] <Kilos> ty charl 
[18:38] <Kilos> running mtr to see if timeouts will stop
[19:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight