[01:03] <nobull> does anybody know a solution to akonadi crash at boot?
[01:13] <nobull> does anybody know a solution to akonadi crash at boot?
[01:18] <nobull> anybody there?
[01:25] <nobull> \quit
[01:35] <nobull> can anybody help with akonadi crashes?
[01:38] <Roey> mmm hello I need some help here, I can't hear audio
[01:38] <Roey> only from the command-lien tty and then only as long as I am on that tty, else it mutes
[01:38] <Roey> er, else the audio cuts out
[01:38] <Roey> and on tty7, the kde tty, I don't hear sound at all
[01:42] <Heliarc> Is Kubuntu lighter then Xubuntu?
[01:48] <Roey> valorie:  hey Valorie, any idea?
[02:10] <nobull> @Heliarc no it is not
[04:43] <EvilEagle> is there an easy way to kill and restart plasma.  a wife notification is stuck on my screen.  i cant click anything but can alt tab
[04:45] <punkgeek> ctrl + alt + backspace
[04:45] <EvilEagle> somehow i brought up a system monitor under cpu usage plasma says disk sleep
[04:46] <EvilEagle> ok i died how to i restart it
[04:48] <EvilEagle> it that is, just nm i guess ill reboot.
[05:24] <rosco_y> how do I change my power-save settings, so my system doesn't keep going to the login screen on no activity?
[05:45] <rosco_y> how do I change my power-save settings, so my system doesn't keep going to the login screen on no activity?
[05:47] <function9> System Settings/ Power Management
[05:49] <rosco_y> function9: ty :)
[05:49] <function9> np :)
[07:22] <Michael07> Using a Thinkpad X240 and kUBUNTU 14.04, I can't get the touchpad usable or at least the mouse buttons working. Tried several links describing this issue and finally I'm thinking of a KDE-issue now, as other UBUNTUs or MINT 17 Cinnamon behave much better. More details and results of my test are here: http://paste.kde.org/phl0clkzl. Where should I ask for assistance with these problems?
[07:26] <function9> Michael07: #kde :)
[09:58] <bonk3rzz> need help..... just did a update on kubuntu 14.04 and kde pannel wont move close all the prettys are gone ie wabble windows and the keyboard wont wont on some windows any idea ??? thanks
[09:59] <function9> stable repos?
[10:00] <bonk3rzz> i belive sobut i cant type into any of my terminals in fact hex chat is the only thing taking the keyboard right noe
[10:02] <hateball> bonk3rzz: did you reboot/restart your session after updating
[10:02] <bonk3rzz> yes
[10:03] <bonk3rzz> i still have a butt load of upbate but but i cant authencate
[10:03] <bonk3rzz> ahhhh
[10:03] <bonk3rzz> copy and paste works
[10:04] <function9> bonk3rzz: fireup synaptic if you can, in the menu enable fix broken packages
[10:04] <function9> click apply
[10:05] <bonk3rzz> where is it in there?/
[10:06] <bonk3rzz> nm
[10:09] <bonk3rzz> http://pastebin.com/5fS1YLhx
[10:09] <bonk3rzz> got follow error
[10:09] <function9> bonk3rzz: sudo apt install synaptic
[10:11] <bonk3rzz> one sec
[10:12] <bonk3rzz> no typin makes things hard and slow and i guess there is 110 updates IDK what happened
[10:13] <hateball> why would you install synaptic to install updates?
[10:13] <hateball> .... in KDE
[10:14] <hateball> bonk3rzz: you can jump to a vTTY by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 and log in there and apply upgrades. switch back to X with ctrl+alt+f7
[10:15] <function9> hateball: he just did the upgrades, and everything is messed up
[10:15] <hateball> function9: I don't see how installing another GUI package manager would make that any better
[10:16] <function9> hateball: to check for broken packages
[10:16] <hateball> Rather, switch to tty1, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" is a much cleaner solution
[10:18] <function9> bonk3rzz: hateball will help you.
[10:18] <function9> bbl
[10:21] <hateball> bonk3rzz: As for the Spotify error, you need to update the GPG key, it should be on their webpage where you got the instructions to add the repo in the first place
[10:21] <hateball> Not being able to update Spotify shouldnt break your entire DE however
[10:23] <bonk3rzztab> What was it to grt back out again...
[10:24] <bonk3rzztab> Ctrl a
[10:24] <bonk3rzztab> F1
[10:24] <bonk3rzztab> But how do i get back out??
[10:33] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:37] <function9> hi
[10:47] <bonk3rzz> AHHHHhhh why me today??? so it say kde-window-manger is not installed (i have not idea why] then is says E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) when i try to instakk it AAhhhh what is going on today
[10:55] <Roey> lordievader:  howdy :)
[10:55] <hateball> bonk3rzz: ctrl+alt+f1 for a vtty, ctrl+alt+f7 to get to X
[10:55] <lordievader> Hey Roeym how are you?
[10:56] <Roey> all good!
[10:56] <Roey> lordievader:  so I'm having an issue with sound
[10:56] <Roey> I can't hear it
[10:56] <Roey> unlesss I am on a TTY
[10:56] <Roey> and then I can only hear sound as long as I am in that TTY
[10:57] <Roey> if I switch to the KDE terminal then the sound cuts out
[10:58] <lordievader> Try pavucontrol to verify that Pulseaudio sends something to your speakers.
[10:58]  * lordievader back to work.
[10:58] <Roey> ahhhh yes, pavucontrol
[11:00] <Roey> lordievader:  hmm pavuconrol doesn't show anything special
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:06] <johnflux> Hi all
[11:06] <function9> hi
[11:07] <johnflux> I install kubuntu 14.04, but when I boot it crashes when trying to start X.  I have an nvidia gtx580 board
[11:07] <johnflux> (also, I'm not new to linux)
[11:08] <johnflux> I've tried booting to recovery mode and installing the nvidia drivers
[11:08] <johnflux> but when I run startx, the screen goes black and the machine locks up
[11:08] <johnflux> I can't think what else to try
[11:09] <function9> johnflux: did you try the generic driver?
[11:09] <johnflux> function9: how?  unininstall nvidia-* ?
[11:12] <johnflux> function9: I tried apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*  and rebooted.  Still crashes when it gets to X
[11:12] <johnflux> function9: sometimes it even crashes before it starts X...  most strange
[11:13] <Roey> hey BluesKaj!
[11:13] <Roey> BluesKaj:  I can't hear sound :9
[11:14] <Roey> BluesKaj:  I've already looked at pavucontrol (thanks lordievader) and yet all the settings there seem fine..
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Roey, check alsamixer for automute, sometimes it's re-enabled after upgrades
[11:15] <Roey> BluesKaj:  I did
[11:15] <Roey> BluesKaj:  it was muted for spdif, so I unmuted it
[11:17] <function9> johnflux: sorry I was on the phone
[11:17] <Roey> BluesKaj:  when I open a terminal and type "play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*", then the program sits at 00:00... doesn't progress.
[11:17] <Roey> BluesKaj:  doesn't even respond to ctrl-c
[11:17] <function9> johnflux: in a root shell type X -configure
[11:17] <Roey> BluesKaj:  in Amarok, if I hit 'play', the progress meter doesn't advance
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Roey, whay are using ctrl c?
[11:18] <Roey> to get out of the play command
[11:18] <Roey> BluesKaj:  it appear frozen
[11:18] <Roey> *appeas
[11:18] <Roey> gah
[11:18] <Roey> *appears
[11:18] <function9> johnflux: then cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:18] <function9> brb
[11:19] <johnflux> function9: X -configure  has a null pointer segmentation fault in libpthread
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Roey, have you checked your multimedia.audio&video>device preferences in sys settings?
[11:20] <function9> johnflux: killall Xsessions that are hanging, and try again bbl
[11:21] <Roey> BluesKaj:  yes, and when I hit "test" I don't hear output from either of my headphones or spdif
[11:21] <johnflux> function9: ps aux | grep --ignore-case X      reveals no other sessions
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Roey, which audio chip again?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> look in the upper left in alsamixer , Roey
[11:24] <Roey> 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[11:25] <Roey> I was  poring through lshw results
[11:25] <Roey> thanks
[11:25] <Roey> Realtek ALC888
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Roey, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[11:25] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[11:26] <BluesKaj> if the driver loads properly there will be no output from the modprobe command, Roey\
[11:26] <Roey> BluesKaj:  it was already loaded
[11:27] <Roey> and there was no output when I ran that comand just now
[11:27] <BluesKaj> you don't don't know that
[11:27] <Roey> I mean from system startup, right
[11:27] <Roey> if I  reboot then I won't see the messages probably
[11:27] <BluesKaj> that's correct, there's no output because the command loaded it
[11:27] <Roey> maybe look in /var/log/syslog?
[11:28] <Roey> I did apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday and that's when this changed
[11:29] <BluesKaj> it's a bug with the intel-hda driver ...sometimes it doesn't load at boot after an upgrade
[11:29] <Roey> ok
[11:29] <Roey> but again, I do hear it as long as I am in the text TTY from where I did startx
[11:29] <BluesKaj> not all intel drivers nehave this way, but some still do
[11:30] <BluesKaj> behave
[11:32] <Roey> ok
[11:32] <Roey> I mean I did lsmod before & after, and I saw that it had already been loaded
[11:35] <Roey> BluesKaj:  ^
[11:36] <BluesKaj> loaded but not used for some reason
[11:36] <Roey> ok
[11:37] <Roey> So do you still want me to reboot?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> lots of drivers we don't use get loaded
[11:39] <Roey> okay
[11:40] <BluesKaj> I have to go for 30mins or so ..BBL
[11:40] <Roey> okay
[11:40] <Roey> thanks
[11:50] <BluesKaj> ah good, wife is gonna do the errands
[11:58] <johnflux> function9: I disabled the intel graphics card in the bios
[11:59] <johnflux> function9: and now it all works fine
[12:00] <Roey> BluesKaj:  \o/
[12:00] <function9> johnflux: glad you worked it out :)
[12:03] <Roey> BluesKaj:  so I was wondering if you still want me to reboot
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Roey, try, sudo alsa force-reload, but if that doesn't do it, then a reboot is the only option afaik.
[12:17] <Roey> BluesKaj:  ok, I did force-reload, and then issued the play command again.  Same problem, it just freezes in place anddos not advance.
[12:17] <Roey> BluesKaj:  and in Amarok when I hit "play", the progress bar does not advance.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> which app is play linked to ?
[12:18] <Roey> sox
[12:18] <BluesKaj> bah
[12:18] <Roey> heh
[12:21] <BluesKaj> well then reboot, that's all I can suggest
[12:22] <BluesKaj> why bother with sox unless you use it to convert between formats
[13:39] <Guest86741> hi guys, I was trying to install Kubuntu 14.04 and after the installation my pc get freeze on the kubuntu splah, I tried at least 5 times uninstalling and installing again and nothing different, I thought OK I'll try with Opensuse, I hat the ISO 12.3 I installed it and everithing was OK, so I wanted the lastest version and I downloaded 13.1, I installed it and it crashed, the problem is  the same with Kubuntu, it start but get freeze, I have to start
[13:39] <Guest86741> it in recovery mode but in normal mode it doesn't work..... I tried many things but nothing, I was thinking tha maybe it's a problem with the lastest version and my hardware so there are any way to write to the developers specifying my hardware or something like that???
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Guest86741, did you try to update and upgrade at the VT/TTY ?  ctl+alt+F1-F6
[13:54] <BluesKaj> try it from the login page
[13:56] <Guest86741> but I didn't get login page, I just got the letter "KUBUNTU" with the border flashing
[13:59] <BluesKaj> ok thats not the splash
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Guest86741, recommend you try the minimal install
[14:01] <BluesKaj> !minimal | Guest86741
[15:46] <dmatt> halo, is there any way to rescue ktp contacts from 13.04 backup an put them into fresh 14.04 install?
[17:23] <vbgunz> I cloned my system from an nvidia proprietary driver system and put it on a system without an nvidia card. How do I get the proper display resolution and functionality?
[17:25] <vbgunz> i'm sure I might have to dpkg-reconfigure x something but I'm not sure what
[17:25] <vbgunz> anyone?
[17:25] <vbgunz> I'm gonna try something that might boot me out of a working system, but gonna do it :/
[17:26] <lordievader> vbgunz: What card does the system have and what driver is it running?
[17:27] <vbgunz> not sure how to tell, the driver manager in kubuntu doesn't tell me anything (literally) and the res should be 1366x768 but I'm stuck at 1024x768
[17:27] <vbgunz> I'm currently removing everything nvidia, I thought just backing up the xorg file i had would be enough, evidently not
[17:27] <lordievader> vbgunz: Please pastebin the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA"
[17:28] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, best not to have a xorh file until you find the gpu, sudo lshw -C video
[17:29] <BluesKaj> xorg
[17:29] <vbgunz> http://pastebin.com/L1VpSjT9
[17:30] <lordievader> vbgunz: No need to remove Nvidia related things.
[17:30] <lordievader> Still strange it doesn't load a driver for the Intel card.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> xorg is preventing it methinks
[17:31] <vbgunz> I was pretty convinced I didn't need to but the only resolution option I have is 1024x768 which is wrong and Steam doesn't start up at all complaining about opel gl extensions *but* knowing how good Intel is, at least should be, I believe I'm stuck at something that can be solved
[17:32] <lordievader> vbgunz: There is no driver loaded for the Intel card/chip, that's your problem.
[17:32] <vbgunz> my kubuntu driver manager by the way shows me nothing, I'm convinced something is wrong with that
[17:32] <lordievader> vbgunz: Nope, nothing wrong with that ;)
[17:32] <vbgunz> hmm, on the other system, all I ever did was install the nvidia blob from the official repos, nothing experimental, no ppas
[17:33] <vbgunz> hmm, maybe an "all good, nothing to see here" would have told me something, I expected to see something in that window
[17:34] <vbgunz> well I removed everything I could about nvidia, gonna try rebooting
[17:34] <vbgunz> brb
[17:34] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, looks to me like the intel driver is probly the i915
[17:36] <lordievader> Could it be that xserver-xorg-video-intel was removed?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> we'll see when he returns
[17:39] <vbgunz> lordievader: you're right, removing everything nvidia didn't help at all
[17:40] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, check for xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:40] <vbgunz> ok
[17:40] <vbgunz> I might need to install that
[17:40] <BluesKaj> that's why we're asking
[17:41] <vbgunz> it says I have it
[17:41] <BluesKaj> ok look for nvidia
[17:41] <vbgunz> not sure how to look for it really, I just did an apt-get on that package and it said I had it, coming from an AMD system
[17:41] <BluesKaj> and nouveau
[17:42] <BluesKaj> in your package manager
[17:42] <vbgunz> ok
[17:42] <Walex> vbgunz: very important link to follow
[17:43] <vbgunz> Walex: I don't see a link?
[17:43] <Walex> vbgunz: if your problem is to get Steam to work well on Kubuntu before 14.04
[17:44] <vbgunz> I'm on 14.04, when plugging this esata disk into an nvidia powered system, everything runs flawless, this is just a notebook where there's no nvidia in sight and it's just borked.
[17:44] <Walex> vbgunz: ahhhhh!
[17:44] <lordievader> vbgunz: What output do you get from "sudo modinfo i915"?
[17:45] <vbgunz> a lot of info lordievader
[17:45] <Walex> vbgunz: the crucial detail is whether the system has installed the nVidia binary driver or not.
[17:45] <Walex> vbgunz: if the system has the nVidia binary driver, it also has installed stuff that breaks most other drivers.
[17:45] <vbgunz> yes, and I just ran a suo apt-get remove nvidia* and removed as much of it as I could. would be awesome if I didn't have to do that though
[17:45] <vbgunz> lordievader: should I pastebin this?
[17:46] <vbgunz> or am I looking for something?
[17:46] <lordievader> vbgunz: Please do, together witht the output of "lsmod|grep i915"
[17:46] <Walex> vbgunz: then the next question is whether the nVidia binary driver was installed with the Ubuntu packages of the nVidia installer
[17:46] <Walex> vbgunz: then the next question is whether the nVidia binary driver was installed with the Ubuntu packages OR with the nVidia installer
[17:47] <vbgunz> the nvidia driver was as official as possible, no ppa or from the nvidia website
[17:47] <vbgunz> loride hold up, gonna paste this
[17:47] <Walex> vbgunz: the "nvidia driver was as official as possible" means "noveau" :-)
[17:48] <vbgunz> http://pastebin.com/DbanqJJG
[17:49] <vbgunz> http://pastebin.com/rf8P2L71
[17:49] <lordievader> As I figured, it's loaded but unused.
[17:49] <vbgunz> man, when I go into systemsettings, the only resolution I have is 1024x768 and steam complains that it's missing opengl extensions
[17:50] <lordievader> vbgunz: You could blacklist both nvidia and nouveau.
[17:50] <vbgunz> should I try removing everything nouveau?
[17:50] <Walex> vbgunz: no, that's silly
[17:50] <lordievader> vbgunz: That's a bad idea.
[17:50] <vbgunz> thanks, I feel great that being a silly idea
[17:50] <Walex> vbgunz: the thing to do is to ensure that the nVidia *binary* driver is removed
[17:50] <vbgunz> I'd really rather not
[17:51] <lordievader> Walex: Blacklisting it should be enough ;)
[17:51] <Walex> vbgunz: and then to write a few lines of 'xorg.conf' to ensure that the 'intel' driver is used
[17:51] <vbgunz> well, I removed as much from apt-get as I could, how do I start black listing?
[17:51] <Walex> lordievader: no, because the autoconf often uses the 'modesetting' or 'vesa' drivers and those should not be blacklisted
[17:52] <lordievader> Oh, that's a good one, blacklist and rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bak or something.
[17:52] <vbgunz> I did, first thing I did in fact
[17:52] <vbgunz> I did have a custom xorg to work with several displays and use the nvidia driver. the first thing I did was mv it out of the way
[17:52] <Walex> vbgunz: lordievader: your approach is somewhat confused...
[17:53] <lordievader> Blacklist, rename xorg... what's confusing?
[17:53] <Walex> vbgunz: once you are sure that the nVidia binary driver is no longer present, the next step is to look at the Xorg log and check which driver gets activated
[17:53] <vbgunz> ok, that's /var/log/x something
[17:53] <vbgunz> I think I can find it
[17:54] <vbgunz> Xorg.0.log?
[17:54] <Walex> lordievader: blacklisting is just trying to stop the autoconf, but it is likley that the autoconf is not an issue.
[17:55] <Walex> lordievader: the most likely issues are: the laptop has Optimus or something like that. there are still nVidia binary libraries and modules around. the 'modestting' or 'vesa' drivers are autoactivated.
[17:55] <vbgunz> not sure how to tell what's being loaded from the log file
[17:55] <Walex> vbgunz: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:55] <vbgunz> I don't think this notebook has nvidia at all
[17:55] <BluesKaj> Walex, no optimus there , he has only one gpu
[17:55] <BluesKaj> intrl
[17:56] <BluesKaj> err intel
[17:56] <lordievader> Walex: Blacklisting stops the module from loading.
[17:56] <lordievader> And since Ubuntu likes modules a whole lot, it's a perfect way of disabling drivers.
[17:56] <Walex> so the optimal way to get everything to work is: verify that the installation is clean and that the 'intel' driver and related DRM modules get loaded on both the kernel and the X side.
[17:57] <Walex> lordievader: blacklisting means blacklisting several things "just in case", and some of those things should not be blacklisted because they cvan be useful.
[17:57] <vbgunz> here's Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/xz3YhxvT
[17:58] <lordievader> Walex: Several things? I was just saying nouveau and nvidia, nothing more.
[17:58] <Walex> lordievader: but also 'modesetting' and 'vesa' could be there.
[17:59] <Walex> vbgunz: anyhow in your case the issue is that the 'intel' driver gets loaded but the server cannot acces the DRM device
[17:59] <vbgunz> not sure how to work around that
[17:59] <BluesKaj> personally a xorg really isn't needed unless there are special circumstances like some rare gpu, but an intel i915 diver is very commonly used without any xorg.conf at all
[17:59] <Walex> lordievader: ahhh and in the case it is actually fbdev' that gets loaded, so that should have been blacklisted
[18:00] <vbgunz> I mean, it's a beautiful thing when things just sort of work, I'm stretching it I know but I imagined cloning this system wouldn't really require I just reinstall to get something working
[18:00] <Walex> vbgunz: autconf "usually works".
[18:00] <vbgunz> where do I look at what I can blacklist?
[18:01] <vbgunz> I know there's a blacklist file, let me see if I can locate it
[18:01] <lordievader> Walex: I don't see how or why modesetting and vesa would be blacklisted.
[18:01] <lordievader> vbgunz: /etc/modprobe.d/
[18:02] <Walex> lordievader: well, if you want to ensure that the 'intel' module gets loaded and only it gets loaded, and you want to achieve it by blacklisting, you need to blacklist every other module that autoconfig might possibly use instead of 'intel'.
[18:02] <vbgunz> that's everything in that directory http://pastebin.com/3ky9cZcU
[18:02] <Walex> lordievader: but I see that you know better, so please go ahead.
[18:02] <vbgunz> I should just jump in the generic file and paste that or start just black listing?
[18:04] <lordievader> vbgunz: Like I said, I'd blacklist the nvidia driver and nouveau. They shouldn't interfere, but still.
[18:04] <vbgunz> ok, I'm in blacklist.conf, should I just add blacklist nvidia and blacklist nouveau ?
[18:04] <vbgunz> ok I'll do that, as a minor workaround, it's no problem
[18:05] <vbgunz> ok, did it, should I just reboot and see if something got fixed?
[18:05] <lordievader> vbgunz: Yes, perhaps nvidia needs a version number. Looking at the nvidia-304 blacklisting it blacklists nouveau and a couple of nvidia versions (nvidia-173,nvidia-96).
[18:06] <vbgunz> ok brb then
[18:09] <vbgunz> I blacklisted nvidia and nouveau both on their own lines in blacklist.conf and that didn't work in solving the resolution of 1024x768 -> 1360x768
[18:09] <vbgunz> hmm, I really wish this was easier, a bit more automatic :)
[18:10] <lordievader> vbgunz: Is the driver loaded?
[18:10] <vbgunz> how to tell?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, well cloning from different hardware isb't exactly the best install method
[18:11] <lordievader> vbgunz: lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA
[18:11] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I'm not really trying to actually "install", I'm trying to go on vacation and take my desktop with me temporarily
[18:12] <BluesKaj> still not a good idea,
[18:12] <vbgunz> lordievader: I don't think so, I probably should have seen i915 in there?
[18:13] <lordievader> vbgunz: You don't, do you?
[18:13] <vbgunz> lordievader: no, I see vga compatible controller
[18:14] <vbgunz> I'll pastebin it anyway
[18:14] <lordievader> vbgunz: It should mention "Kernel driver in use: i915", else the driver ain't used.
[18:14] <vbgunz> yeah, damn
[18:14] <BluesKaj> blacklisting usually requires a reboot iirx
[18:15] <vbgunz> http://pastebin.com/UDAf1bxV
[18:15] <vbgunz> I did reboot
[18:15] <vbgunz> I rebooted after adding nvidia and nouveau to blacklist.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/
[18:16] <vbgunz> wireless works, sound works, bluetooth dongle works, keyboard, mouse, just the video driver does not load
[18:18] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, did you install xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[18:18] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I went to install it and it said I already had it
[18:18] <vbgunz> xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version.
[18:19] <vbgunz> can I maybe dpkg-reconfigure something or is that going to far?
[18:19] <vbgunz> hmm, hold up
[18:20] <lordievader> vbgunz: Worth a shot, when you are booting add "video=i915:modeset=1" to the line containing 'kernel' in the grub menu (you need to edit the default entry)
[18:20] <vbgunz> does booting up with nomodeset in grub mean something?
[18:20] <vbgunz> I actually boot up with that
[18:20] <vbgunz> I have nomodeset, let me try booting without it then try that? cool?
[18:22] <vbgunz> ok, updated grub, gonna reboot
[18:25] <vbgunz> YES! remove nomodeset from the grub kernel command line caused me the vide driver to load up!
[18:25] <lordievader> vbgunz: Nice, good to hear :)
[18:25] <vbgunz> lordievader, BluesKaj, Walex thank you guys so much for everything, every little clue and bit helped!
[18:25] <lordievader> Just to verify, it shows up unders "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA"?
[18:25] <vbgunz> you guys are awesome!
[18:26] <vbgunz> Kernel driver in use: i915
[18:26] <vbgunz> :D
[18:26] <vbgunz> lordievader: thanks for your tenaciousness!
[18:26] <BluesKaj> good
[18:26] <lordievader> Nice :)
[18:26] <vbgunz> you're an awesome Badger!
[18:30] <vbgunz> ok gonna reboot and change some stuff on the main desktop, create a new backup and hopefully just plus and play!
[18:30] <vbgunz> you guys are awesome, no joke!
[18:36] <Roey> hey all again
[18:36] <Roey> hello BluesKaj & lordievader
[18:36] <Roey> still no sound here
[18:39] <lordievader> Roey: I haven't really followed the discussion from this morning, could you give a recap?
[18:46] <Roey> Sure, so I checked settings on vapucontrol and they seemd all fine.
[18:46] <Roey> I saw that the intel sound driver module had been loaded from startup
[18:47] <Roey> lordievader:  not sure if there are any errors that were given off (where could I check for those?)
[18:47] <Roey> lordievader:  seems like I can play sound fine from a text TTY but not when I switch to any other TTY or in KDE
[18:52] <BluesKaj> Roey, you haven't mentioned sox, just like this morning...tell them everything you're using so we don't waste anymore time
[18:52] <Roey> ah, understood:
[18:53] <Roey> lordievader, BluesKaj: when I issue "play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*", I see sox play coming up, and it stays stuck at 00:00, doesn't even respond to ctrl-c.  In Amarok, when I hit Play, the progress meter doesn't move and no sound is heard.  In Youtube, the video plays without sound.
[18:53] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:54] <Roey> When I check vapucontrol and KDE system settings' sound settings, those appear fine from both front end and back end perspective
[18:55] <lordievader> Roey: You mention the TTY, how do you play audio files from there?
[18:56] <Roey> I login at the console and then issue "play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*"
[18:56] <Roey> lordievader:  ^
[18:56] <Roey> my bad, I aim to always start out my replies with people's nicks
[18:57] <lordievader> Roey: Ok, what happens when you do the same thing from the Konsole under KDE?
[18:58] <Roey> lordievader:  as I mentioned above, instead of playing, the sox play command appears to freeze up, not advancing in the progress bar and responding to ctrl-c
[18:59] <Roey> lordievader:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7745031/
[18:59] <lordievader> Roey: Is pulseaudio running?
[18:59] <Roey> lordievader:  roey     30915  0.0  0.0 774108  7288 ?        S<l  Jul03   0:01 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[19:01] <lordievader> Roey: A small test, "echo 'autospawn=no' >> ~/.pulse/client.conf&&pulseaudio -k&&play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*"
[19:02] <Roey> So a couple of things:
[19:02] <Roey> 1) the sox play command works as intended, and I hear sound
[19:02] <Roey> 2) a pop-up appears saying "Fatal Error: Unable to connect to PulseAudio: OK"
[19:03] <lordievader> Roey: 1) There seems to be a problem with pulse. 2) You left pavucontrol open ;)
[19:03] <Roey> aha :)
[19:04] <Roey> hey now Youtube works
[19:04] <Roey> pulseaudio is no longer running btw
[19:05] <Roey> lordievader:  when I try to play a file with Amarok, it doesn't respond
[19:05] <lordievader> Roey: I know, now you are using bare ALSA. There seems to be a problem with your install/config of pulseaudio. Do you run a custom setup?
[19:05] <Roey> not that I know
[19:05] <Roey> it happened as soon as I did apt-get dist-upgrade a couple of days ago
[19:05] <lordievader> Roey: You are now probably facing my biggest complaint with ALSA, it is capable of one stream at a time.
[19:06] <Roey> oh is that so
[19:06] <Roey> didn't know that
[19:06] <Roey> I've been able to play multiple videos with mplayer
[19:06] <Roey> and have multiple videos stream on Youtube
[19:06] <Roey> is that because they were multiplexed through pulseaudio?
[19:06] <lordievader> Roey: Using PA I bet.
[19:06] <Roey> well yes
[19:07] <lordievader> Roey: This is the reason PA exists, or so I've come to believe, it was called PolyAudio before.
[19:07] <lordievader> Poly ring any bells?
[19:08] <lordievader> Anyhow, try running pulseaudio in the foreground and see if any errors show up.
[19:11] <Roey> poly sounds like it's begging for a cracker
[19:11] <Roey> (to crack its security vulnerabiltiies)
[19:11] <Roey> lordievader:  ok
[19:12] <Roey> pulseaudio -D ?
[19:12] <Roey> or how?
[19:12] <Roey> oh, that is for daemonizing
[19:12] <lordievader> Roey: Nope, that puts it in the background, simply: pulseaudio
[19:12] <lordievader> Roey: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/poly-
[19:16] <Roey> lordievader:  Hmm. ok.
[19:16] <Roey> lordievader:  youtube crashes when I tried to play a video when I have something playing in Amarok.
[19:16] <lordievader> Roey: Does Pulseaudio show any usefull info?
[19:17] <Roey> it doesn't print out anything
[19:18] <Roey> also,k the sox play command outputs sound at the same time as Amarok is playing, I found.
[19:20] <lordievader> Roey: Hmm, try starting pa with the -v option.
[19:20] <Roey> ah, ok.
[19:23] <Roey> lordievader:  I re-startd Firefox with PA running
[19:23] <Roey> now sound appears to work on Yotuube
[19:24] <BluesKaj> is sox running /
[19:25] <Roey> it appears to run correctly now
[19:25] <Roey> BluesKaj:  we re-started PA
[19:26] <Roey> that was basically it
[19:26] <Roey> BluesKaj, lordievader:  thing is, this is not working from startup
[19:26] <Roey> also, KDE Mixer is empty for all the playback streams with this message "nothing is playing audio"
[19:27] <lordievader> Roey: You probably now want to remove the 'autospawn no' line from ~/.pulse/client.conf
[19:29] <Roey> okay
[19:29] <Roey> it has two statements saying "autospawn no"
[19:29] <lordievader> Roey: Yes, remove it.
[19:29] <lordievader> Roey: Do you have any custom boot scripts I should be aware off?
[19:29] <Roey> alright.  I left it an empty file.
[19:30] <Roey> lordievader:  I do the following in /etc/rc.local:  /usr/bin/amixer -c 0 set "Auto-Mute Mode" Disabled
[19:32] <lordievader> Is this a recent change?
[19:32] <Roey> I did it when I installed Trusty Tahr fresh
[19:39] <lordievader> Roey: By the by, with respawn on all you should have to do when it happens again is "pulseaudio -k". The respawn option restarts it when pa goes down.
[19:39] <Roey> ok
[19:39] <Roey> pulseaudio -k.. that kills it?
[19:39] <Roey> gracefully?
[19:42] <Roey> lordievader, BluesKaj: thanks, guys :)
[19:45] <lordievader> Roey: Yes, see the man page ;)
[19:45] <Roey> aye :)
[19:47] <Roey> lordievader:  why does my SPDIF keep muting...argh
[19:49] <vbgunz> lordievader, BluesKaj, Walex I just want to update you guys. Using apt-get to remove everything "nvidia" and black listing nvidia and nouveau isn't what was needed in my case. Simply removing nomodeset from the kernel command line (can't remember why it was there in the first place) was the trick. So now I can use my Nvidia desktop, backup to an esata disk and boot on Intel hardware perfectly :)
[19:50] <vbgunz> I guess in case anyone ever ask, the kernel command line should be investigated, just wanted to update that in my case, no other tricks or mods were necessary
[19:52] <vbgunz> You guys were really awesome in helping me track down the issue, so major thanks!
[19:52] <lordievader> Roey: I have no experience with SPDIF.
[19:55] <BluesKaj> Roey, is your spdif digital out connected to anything?
[19:58] <Roey> BluesKaj:  my receiver
[19:58] <Roey> yes
[19:58] <BluesKaj> is it turned on ?
[19:58] <Roey> yes it is
[19:59] <BluesKaj> then you mustr have automute enabled agian]
[20:00] <BluesKaj> I 've heard that some cards auto mute the spdif/pcm out if the analog section is running
[20:00] <BluesKaj> spdif/pcm is basically a passthru
[20:01] <BluesKaj> luckily mine doesn't mute since I don't use the analog out
[20:03] <Roey> aqh ok
[20:03] <Roey> *ah, ok.
[20:03] <Roey> I'm using standard sound from the motherboard
[20:03] <Roey> correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the sound controller built-in to the CPU these days?
[20:03] <Roey> or is it a motherboard component
[20:04] <BluesKaj> yes but are you using analog as well\?
[20:04] <Roey> i.e. different chips from different mobo vendors
[20:04] <Roey> right
[20:04] <Roey> I have it on headphones as well.
[20:04] <lordievader> Usually it is a chip on the mobo.
[20:04] <BluesKaj> hmm, that could be it
[20:04] <lordievader> Doesn't make them better...
[20:05] <Roey> I've been doing this for a long time and this is the first time I got a response like this
[20:06] <BluesKaj> well, i have to leave for a while
[20:06] <Roey> alright
[20:06] <Roey> thanks
[20:07] <BluesKaj> I may be bacl later , not sure
[20:07] <Roey> for all your assistance
[20:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[22:06] <LiamW> hi, I've installed Kubuntu via the netinstall CD, and whenever I start up nothing happens
[22:07] <LiamW> whenever I log in I should say
[22:07] <LiamW> the greeter works;
[22:08] <LiamW> I switched to tty1 to load up plasma-desktop, and it worked (DISPLAY=:0)
[22:08] <LiamW> but can I find a way to avoid doing this every time I want to log in?
[22:16] <shallwe> hi guys
[22:16] <shallwe> um using kubuntu 14.05, i update today, is it alread with kde 5?
[22:16] <shallwe> *im
[22:18] <function9> no
[22:22] <shallwe> :(
[22:22] <shallwe> but is it alread released right?
[22:22] <shallwe> wow wait, i got a huge update o.O
[22:23] <shallwe> yah i think its kde 5
[22:24] <shallwe> i dont know its 4.13.2 its not kde 5 :(
[22:24] <function9> kde 5 is still in beta stage
[22:25] <shallwe> humm
[22:26] <shallwe> in wikipedia kde says stable release 5.0 1 july 2014
[22:26] <shallwe> i will try find in kde site
[22:29] <function9> ok
[22:44] <phoenixz> I just downloaded kubuntu live, installed it on a USB on Windows using usb2iso, but the USB won't boot, no matter what I try.. Anybody who has run into this?
[23:31] <r05en> Hi to all
[23:31] <function9> hi
[23:36] <LiamW> phoenixz: likely you didn't do it right, your flash drive won't work or your BIOS downright won't support it
[23:36] <LiamW> Older ThinkPads are like that
[23:38] <function9> johnflux_: wb :)