[12:24] <belkinsa> Happy Fourth of July everyone!
[21:19] <dsmythies> knome are you around?
[21:22] <dsmythies> knome: I am wondering about this deletion: <<Include(DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/MenuBar)>> as I liked it was way to move around quickly within the system docs pages.
[21:23] <dsmythies> Example reference:
[21:23] <dsmythies> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/BuildingDocumentation?action=diff&rev1=34&rev2=35
[22:11] <knome> dsmythies, from my point of view, this supports the new user better.
[22:12] <knome> dsmythies, when they land on the main page, their attention does not go to the menubar and sublinks but the content
[22:12] <knome> inside that content, we can control what we want them to read first and what are the last steps
[22:34] <dsmythies> knome: O.K. but now I do not how to move around between the serverguide and building and editing and repository pages. Something I do constantly. (I can learn a new method.)
[22:36] <knome> dsmythies, if they are constantly used together, maybe we can think where we'd need to the other pages in the wiki
[22:37] <knome> or we can of course go back to the old menu stuff, though i'd still say that's counterproductive for new users
[22:40] <dsmythies> knome: Thanks for explaining. I'll just bookmark all the pages I use. Previously, I only had one bookmarked, because I just used the menu after that. And truth be known all the pages I use weren't part of the menu anyhow.
[22:42] <knome> mhm
[22:42] <knome> belkinsa said she'd like a sitemap-like page, so maybe that's one option
[22:43] <knome> because clearly we aren't linking all the pages in the menu or anywhere where you can get a good idea what kind of pages we have
[22:45] <dsmythies> I just want to dart around as fast as possible... (I suspect I speak for all of us when I say "there just isn't enough time")
[22:47] <knome> sure.
[22:47] <knome> though having to dart around many many pages tells me about another problem than the menu
[22:47] <knome> which is badly organized data
[22:49] <knome> ok, i need to go to bed
[22:49] <knome> i'm falling asleep with my laptop on the lap
[22:51] <dsmythies> I just went through that group of pages during the last cycle. Myself, I think they are O.K. and organized alright. I just keep forgetting how to do stuff and find if I deviate from the list then I make a mistake. I mainly go between these three (even for desktop stuff):
[22:51] <dsmythies> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members-Serverguide
[22:51] <knome> they look OK, but they could be better :)
[22:52] <knome> but yeah, i'm probably the wrong person to evaluate that anyway since i'm not really using them
[22:52] <dsmythies> Oh, I missed that you are exiting... never mind.
[22:52] <knome> that's okay
[22:52] <knome> have a nice day :)
[22:52] <dsmythies> Have a nice night
[22:52] <knome> and good night!