[05:39] <Guest71828> morning all
[05:40] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:40] <MooDoo> that's better
[05:42] <mapp> morning mate
[05:42] <mapp> watched much tv MooDoo?
[05:43] <MooDoo> not really, started to watch ray donovan last night, but nah
[05:43] <mapp> hmm i started that but found it hard to get into
[05:59] <MooDoo> I've only watched one, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt
[07:02] <Myrtti> OOOOOHHHH
[07:02] <Myrtti> You can add Paypal to Google Play now!
[07:09] <diddledan> Myrtti: seems not possible on the web
[07:09] <Myrtti> diddledan: https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2651410#paypal
[07:11] <Myrtti> https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/4646425
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> In the countries listed, credit cards aren't used as often I think?
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> I know people in .nl tend to be *scared* of having them somehow
[07:16] <Myrtti> I'm not too keen on them either
[07:16] <Myrtti> I keep zero balance on mine
[07:16] <Myrtti> it's only for emergencies
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> Mine is for Amazon and holidays :)
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> and things like the google play store stuff
[07:21] <Myrtti> I've got my debit card on Amazon and Google Play, not credit
[07:21] <Myrtti> but my sister refuses to put either on Google Play, so she'll like Paypal
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> Dutch debit cards dont have credit card-like numbers
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> just IBAN
[07:24] <diddledan> that means they only work in nl?
[07:24] <diddledan> my debit card works wherever mastercard is accepted \o/
[07:24] <Myrtti> yeah, likewise
[07:25] <Myrtti> do any of the banks over here do personalised cards?
[07:25] <diddledan> it's not something I've looked into
[07:25] <Myrtti> barclays I see, and halifax
[07:25] <Myrtti> not keen on either
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: no, they work using the "Maestro" standard (chip+pin) across the world
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: they just don't have a "credit card style" number etc. on them
[07:30] <diddledan> aah
[07:45] <gebbione> hi all, i have an old system i want to recover from hardware death. Yesterday i started it again after a few years
[07:46] <gebbione> and it looks like a power supply problem as power comes up but dies/shuts down just moments after
[07:46] <gebbione> any suggestions on what i can troubleshoot?
[07:47] <gebbione> maybe i need to replace the bios battery?
[07:47] <popey> morning
[07:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> gebbione: I'd try with a new/different power supply
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> gebbione: or just plug the disk into a different machine and make sure you have a backup of the data
[08:05] <gebbione> MartijnVdS, i am doing the data backup
[08:05] <gebbione> but dont have a spare psu
[08:05] <gebbione> it was funny that it did run for 15/20sec and then suddenly died yesterday night
[08:06] <gebbione> and now it will only try to spin the fans for less then a second and die straight away
[08:06] <gebbione> anyway i ll see if i can see the parts
[08:06] <gebbione> cheers
[08:07] <bigcalm> My mouse is being sporadic about registering that I've clicked the middle button
[08:07] <bigcalm> Everything else works just fine on it
[08:08]  * bigcalm goes to find another mouse
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy US Independence Day! :-D
[08:23] <bigcalm> Splitters!
[09:00] <diddledan> wow, my googley play order has shipped
[09:00] <diddledan> I only ordered it at 6am this morning
[09:02] <Myrtti> ooh er
[09:02] <Myrtti> what did you order?
[09:03] <diddledan> I accidentally ordered a watch
[09:03] <diddledan> the lg one
[09:03] <Myrtti> lol accidentally
[09:06] <foobarry> tax office sent a cheque to me yesterady, uninvited
[09:06] <diddledan> ouch
[09:07] <diddledan> where do they get off giving random punters their money back?!
[09:08] <davmor2> foobarry: yeah apparently there was a cock up with the figures so some people were overcharged apparently.  This will be the refund on that I assume.
[09:12] <Myrtti> the tax bracket for my dad was too high last year because the tax man assessed he'd get half a year more income than what he did (passed away year and a week ago), so the estate (me) is going to get about 1500€ refund come December. Decided to use it to cover some wedding costs. No we don't have a place and date yet
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:14] <diddledan> ello brobostigon
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning diddledan
[09:22] <Myrtti> \o/ Paypal paying works on Google Play \o/ just bought a book
[09:28] <davmor2> Myrtti: I'm glad I re-read that tax bracket statement.  1500euros on weeding is way too excessive :D  Wedding sounds far more enjoyable :)
[09:28] <diddledan> why does the wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices _still_ list the galaxy nexus (maguro) as working with OTA updates?
[09:29] <bashrc> maybe very harsh weeds
[09:29] <popey> diddledan: its a wiki, feel free to edit it
[09:30] <diddledan> popey: I don't know what to put instead tho
[09:30] <diddledan> I'm not involved :-)
[09:30] <popey> but you know something is wrong
[09:30] <popey> on a wiki
[09:31] <popey> but took time to tell us here rather than just, you know, fix it ☻
[09:31] <popey> tell me what line is wrong and I'll fix it
[09:31] <popey> wiki by proxy
[09:31] <diddledan> hehe
[09:31] <diddledan> I'm just logging-in
[09:31] <popey> i see "Galaxy Nexus (deprecated)"
[09:32] <diddledan> yeah that's the bit I'm referring to - the sentence directly above the table says that OTA works with those devices in said table
[09:32] <popey> maybe just add a carriage return before || Galaxy Nexus
[09:32] <popey> that will break it into two tables
[09:32] <popey> and thus fix the issue ☻
[09:33] <bigcalm> popey: do you leave your charging pads pluged in and switched on all of the time?
[09:33] <popey> yes
[09:33] <popey> well, no
[09:33] <popey> plugged into a usb hub attached to pc
[09:33] <bigcalm> How long have you had them?
[09:33] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:34] <diddledan> grr, the openid auth system seems to be timing out when I click the confirmation to share my detials with the wiki
[09:34] <bigcalm> I think I might unplug some things while on the cruise
[09:34] <diddledan> "waiting for wiki.ubuntu.com"
[09:34] <foobarry> is google giving 500 error for anyone else?
[09:34] <Myrtti> yes
[09:34] <foobarry> davmor2: they gave me £200
[09:34] <diddledan> not me
[09:34] <diddledan> googley workly fo me
[09:34] <bigcalm> .co.uk is giving a 500 to me
[09:35] <Myrtti> works now again
[09:35] <diddledan> Myrtti: their automated failover probably kicked in
[09:35] <Myrtti> human psychology is odd. I have no idea why I've got the sense of forboding about Rolf Harris sentencing.
[09:35] <bigcalm> About 3,660,000 results (10.89 seconds)
[09:36] <bigcalm> That's a very long time to wait with them
[09:36] <popey> Delivered On: Tuesday, 29 April 2014
[09:36] <diddledan> VERY
[09:36] <popey> bigcalm: ^ that long
[09:36] <bigcalm> popey: but not powered all of the time I'm guessing? They use some power, just wondering if I should bother unplugging them when not in use
[09:37] <Myrtti> 1,270,000 results (13.64 seconds)
[09:37] <popey> powered 99% of the time
[09:37] <popey> they use very little power
[09:37] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[09:37]  * bigcalm leaves them be
[09:37] <Myrtti> I'm wondering what the difference of the QI receiver on Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 are
[09:37]  * popey puts a device on one and looks how much current it takes
[09:38] <popey> 0.5A when there's a phone on it
[09:38] <popey> 0.01A when no phone on it
[09:38] <Myrtti> my sister has the same kind of Rearth Ringke Fusion case on her N4 as I've got on my N5 and hers doesn't charge on the Nokia Fatboy QI
[09:38] <Myrtti> mine does
[09:53] <diddledan> popey: you should have a notification that I've edited the page (it says it told you!)
[09:57] <popey> ☻
[09:57] <popey> I do
[10:06] <popey> diddledan: nice edit!
[10:06] <diddledan> ta
[10:06] <diddledan> :-)
[11:00] <diddledan> my watch is at london north-west depot
[11:00] <diddledan> not far to get to amazingstoke I wouldn't think - maybe get it tomorrow
[11:01] <diddledan> more likely monday tho
[11:02] <Azelphur> diddledan: oO, shipped out huh?
[11:02] <Azelphur> yea mine has dispatched too
[11:02] <Myrtti> they probably won't deliver on Saturdays
[11:02] <Myrtti> so don't hold your breath
[11:03] <Azelphur> how do you get tracking?
[11:03] <Myrtti> atleast the Nexus 5 wasn't delivered on Saturday, it was loaded in the van on Saturday but that didn't mean a thing
[11:04] <diddledan> Azelphur: in the email that says it shipped they included a tracking link
[11:04] <Azelphur> hmm, I never got one.
[11:05] <Azelphur> oh, I guess mine hasn't dispatched yet
[11:05] <diddledan> maybe yours is via a different courier?
[11:05]  * Azelphur shrugs
[11:06] <diddledan> the email states at the top: "Great news! Your order on Google Play has shipped."
[11:06] <diddledan> (maybe that helps you find it
[11:06] <Azelphur> also they lied, it says "Dispatched from warehouse by 4 July."
[11:14] <bigcalm> I'm loving http://www.programmerexcuses.com/
[11:19] <bigcalm> http://a.desktopprassets.com/wallpapers/aecc1f260d84a7985f152af41b450c21f7b131fc/star_wars_wide.jpg
[11:29] <Azelphur> diddledan: just got the shipped email
[11:29] <diddledan> \o/
[11:31] <davmor2> popey: I don't believe you would sell your children.  I can believe you might let one go for a game but not both ;)
[11:35] <dvrr> how to resolve packet loss belkin router. ( I updated Firmware Info. There is no new firmware update available for this Router! ! )     please  guide me
[11:37] <foobarry> how do you know it's the router
[11:37] <foobarry> could be your network card
[11:37] <Myrtti> Belkin...
[11:37] <Myrtti> toss it in the sea and get something better. I've not had nothing but trouble and woe with mine
[11:41] <Myrtti> they're too light even to be used as a weight for a crab pot
[11:41] <foobarry> a few belkins can be openwrted
[11:42] <davmor2> my last belkin didn't last 6 months before I had to reset it daily to make it work.  I grabbed a tp-link on the cheap but that has memory management issue on the default software so put dd-wrt on it never looked back.  Next router I bought was tp-link again stuck dd-wrt straight on it perfect little router :)
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> dd-wrt is crappy old though. Better use OpenWRT
[11:43] <foobarry> synology can stream to chromecast \o/
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it can?!
[11:48] <diddledan> nice
[11:50] <Myrtti> uhoh, here goes
[12:14]  * bigcalm goes on holiday, back 14th July. Taaraa peeps :)
[12:14] <Myrtti> taraa
[12:22] <Myrtti> 5 years and 9 months.
[12:22] <Myrtti> wow
[12:58] <diddledan> I think it must be fooding time
[12:58] <diddledan> brb
[13:06] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: http://blog.synology.com/blog/?p=2377
[13:28]  * diddledan wraps up advertising on the hantslug mailing list
[13:29] <Azelphur> holy crap, no wonder that router I set up in a local cafe had it's DHCP table full
[13:29] <diddledan> o_O
[13:29] <Azelphur> It filled up, so I lowered the DHCP lease time to 1 hour, it currently has 74 entries in the DHCP table
[13:29] <diddledan> you might be better off with a 15 minute or maybe less lease time
[13:30] <diddledan> cafes get a lot of footfall
[13:30] <Azelphur> well 74 is still less than 255, we're still ok
[13:30] <diddledan> true
[13:30] <Azelphur> and this is more of a cafe where the typical sit is like an hour
[13:30] <diddledan> keep an eye on it tho
[13:30] <Azelphur> so, if it goes over I'll probably reflash the router with *wrt and give it a much larger DHCP pool
[13:30] <Azelphur> eg 192.168.*
[13:30] <diddledan> would be nice if you could set up a monitoring system that alerts you when it gets near the limit
[13:30] <Azelphur> indeed
[13:30] <diddledan> (nagios et al would do that)
[13:31] <diddledan> icinga is nagios without the cruft
[13:31] <Azelphur> diddledan: would need to drop the stock firmware though :)
[13:31] <diddledan> aah
[13:58] <foobarry> adagios
[13:58] <foobarry> is worth a look
[13:59] <foobarry> instead of icingi/nagios
[14:00] <diddledan> I don't know that one
[14:01] <diddledan> looks intriguing
[14:50] <mapp> ugh
[14:50] <mapp> raining
[14:50] <mapp> ;[
[14:53] <popey> where?
[14:54] <popey> still sunny here
[14:54] <Laney> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[14:54] <Laney> it's-a-coming
[14:55] <popey> i haz bbq stuffs
[14:56] <mapp> Nice
[14:56] <mapp> in the sunny ol midlands
[14:56] <mapp> and my hand hurts..slept on it funny;/
[14:57] <popey> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/mobile works nice on ubuntu phone
[14:58] <mapp> can anyone recommend some good headphones..noise cancelling..want them for flying mainly..last time could barely hear the audio from my nexus7
[14:58] <awilkins> mapp, Are in-the-ear-canal phones acceptable?
[14:59] <awilkins> mapp, I used Etymotic in-the-ear ones until I mangled the cable and I'm presently using Jays
[14:59] <mapp> hmm not sure i know which you mean..ive got some ear buds where they have like a soft sponge thing and look like theyre meant to go in the ear..but they fall out
[14:59] <mapp> il google it
[14:59] <awilkins> mapp, When I get around to soldering a new plug on my Etymotics I'll probably go back to them
[14:59] <Laney> I had Etymotic HF-5s until they broke
[14:59] <awilkins> mapp, They have the sponge ones, but I usually use the silicone ones
[15:00] <Laney> super great
[15:00] <Laney> one you get used to shoving something down your ear
[15:00] <mapp> hmm mayve ive got funny ears but they always fall out
[15:00] <awilkins> Yeah, the sound quality is primo... but they are uncomfortable for a while
[15:00] <Laney> you get different sized ones
[15:00] <mapp> how would i know what size?!
[15:00] <Laney> comes with them
[15:01] <mapp> ah
[15:01] <Laney> or you can get them moulded for £££
[15:01] <mapp> i think over the head ones would be better..always had trouble with in ear like that
[15:01] <mapp> not keen on getting those beats..dont wanna look like a teen sheep
[15:02] <awilkins> They're mostly about looks, aren't they?
[15:02] <awilkins> And they won't stop plane noise
[15:02] <mapp> i read theyre actually decent
[15:02] <awilkins> Unless they do antinoise ones
[15:02] <mapp> argh
[15:02] <awilkins> I like the in-ear ones... they're polite, other people can't hear them
[15:02] <mgdm> `/30
[15:02] <mgdm> oops
[15:02] <awilkins> Open backs are just rude
[15:03] <awilkins> Unless you're in your own homw
[15:03] <mapp> i get that awilkins just worried of them being useless
[15:03] <mapp> and falling out my ears;p
[15:03] <mapp> this was what i looked at
[15:03] <mapp> http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/gadgets-tech/silent-flight-7-best-noisecancelling-headphones-9540664.html?origin=internalSearch
[15:04] <mapp> sony ones..well im not a pro 449 seems a bit much
[15:04] <mapp> wow beats are 269 too
[15:05] <awilkins> Got my Etymotic ER6i set for £70
[15:05] <awilkins> But I don't think they make them anymore
[15:05] <awilkins> Not sure what the equivalent model is now
[15:05] <mapp> i might get those Bose ones
[15:05] <awilkins> I like the look of the Tivoli ones. If you like wood.
[15:05] <mapp> is it possible i get these in the ear ones and they fall out like other in the ear cheap ones?
[15:06] <mgdm> I've heard that the Bose ones are decent, but I have no personal experience - a few friends have them
[15:06] <mapp> its only for flying tbh..doubt id wear them out or to the gym
[15:06] <awilkins> mapp, I don't know.... the in-the-ear ones that are buds only contact the rim of your ear canal
[15:06] <mapp> but watching a film with my normal ear buds sucked..had to hold them in my ear to hear it loud enough
[15:07] <awilkins> mapp, The ones I've used have silicone grommets that you basically push INTO your ear canal
[15:07] <awilkins> THere's an art to it
[15:07] <mapp> hm
[15:07] <awilkins> You have to pull your ear back at a certain angle with your thumb and push them right in
[15:07] <mgdm> awilkins: my ear canals are too small for those
[15:08] <mapp> ive always had probs with in ear which is what worries me
[15:08] <mgdm> I got quite nice Shure headphones once and couldn't use 'em, even after ordering the extra extra extra small rubber bits
[15:08] <awilkins> Yeah, I suppose it's like anything else that you wear that's a tight fit
[15:09] <mapp> think il buy the bose ones
[15:09] <mapp> gotta also remember..toothpaste..seem to forget it every time;p and some kind of small aftershave
[15:10] <mapp> the tennis is nice in hd..i wouldve liked to have seen the tennis in 3dbut they stopped doing it few years back:(
[15:24] <diddledan> had em talking round in circles for 6 minutes, not bad
[15:25] <diddledan> they didn't even get past my postcode and address before they gave up
[15:25] <diddledan> gotta love the "uk survey centre"
[15:26] <diddledan> spamcalls ftw
[15:26] <mapp> i just hang up
[15:26] <diddledan> 6 minutes for them to realise I wasn't going to answer their survey questions seriously
[15:26] <mapp> my job isnt to speak to them
[15:26] <diddledan> I like making them work for ti
[15:27] <mapp> i especially like it when i get the 'hi is that mr jones' 'mope 'who is it' 'doesnt matter to you..bye'
[15:27] <mapp> lol
[15:27] <diddledan> this one wouldn't believe that my phone number can be reverse mapped using public records (BT phone directory) to my physical address - they insisted that I tell them what it is
[15:29] <diddledan> I gave him a chance at least, I told him that he had the first three digits of my post code correct but the rest was wrong, and then I went further by telling him the last digit which left him with 26^26+10^10 potential combinations
[15:29] <diddledan> less than that even
[15:30] <diddledan> 126 combinations
[15:30] <diddledan> 1 letter and two numbers
[15:30] <diddledan> my math foo sucks
[15:31] <diddledan> it's not 10^10 at all, it's 10^2
[15:31] <diddledan> somewhat of a large difference
[17:25] <mapp> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2353009/windows-2000-added-more-new-users-in-june-than-windows-8
[17:25] <mapp> :D
[19:00] <diddledan> is btrfs safe to use for root yet?
[19:01] <diddledan> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/754674-using-bcache-to-soup-up-your-sata-drive
[19:08] <ali1234> you might get more benefit from using BFQ
[19:09] <diddledan> I don't know what that is *to google!*
[19:09] <diddledan> aah a different queuing scheduler?
[19:12]  * diddledan settles down to watch the 15 minute demo vid
[20:00] <brobostigon> ST:FC e4. now.
[20:00] <diddledan> stfc?
[20:01] <diddledan> star trek the final crusade?
[20:01] <brobostigon> first contact
[20:01] <diddledan> aah
[20:01] <diddledan> where's me remote
[20:01] <brobostigon> :)
[21:39] <Myrtti> Well, that's a first. Went for a Tesco run after dinner and who else was in there buying sandwiches and a roll of Polos than the former primey John Major with his bodyguard.
[21:40] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[21:42] <Myrtti> I wonder if he ever shops at any other local shop than this one inaugurated by his wife in days of yore
[21:43] <brobostigon> ah.
[21:44] <Seeker> argh
[21:45] <Seeker> I can't finish my workmate :(
[21:45] <brobostigon> i bet he needs a bodyguard, just like alot of our current government do, they are so disliked.
[21:46] <Seeker> most politicians are hated somewhere
[21:46] <Myrtti> well there are enough nutjobs for every uk prime I bet
[21:46] <Myrtti> yeah
[21:47] <brobostigon> and even some uk prime ministers are nutjobs the,selves.
[21:47] <brobostigon> like the current incumbant.
[21:49] <Seeker> thankfully, not as bad as the previous bunch
[21:50] <brobostigon> well, they were not as bad as the current bunch, by some margin.
[21:50] <Seeker> heh
[23:16] <mgdm> evening
[23:20] <daftykins> hey