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bduk1More almal05:40
nuvolariMôre bduk1 :)05:40
nuvolarioh hi tinuva 05:40
nuvolariMaaz: coffee please05:49
Maaznuvolari: There isn't a pot on05:49
nuvolariMaaz: pot on05:49
Maaznuvolari: Huh?05:49
nuvolari:P05:49
nuvolariMaaz: kettle on05:49
Maaznuvolari: Excuse me?05:49
nuvolariargh, it's been too long05:49
nuvolari*since I've made coffee05:49
nuvolariMaaz: help coffee05:50
Maaznuvolari: Times coffee brewing and reserves cups for people. You can use it like this:05:50
Maaz  coffee (on|please)05:50
nuvolariMaaz: coffee on05:50
* Maaz washes some mugs05:50
nuvolariMaaz: coffee please05:50
Maaznuvolari: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses05:50
nuvolarioh my word Maaz 05:51
nuvolariI do05:51
MaazCoffee's ready for nuvolari!05:54
ThatGraemeGuymorning all06:02
Squirmmorning06:06
nuvolarithank you Maaz :)06:06
nuvolarihi Squirm 06:06
Kilosguten morgen06:16
nuvolarioh hi oom Kilos :>06:25
nuvolarimag oom 'n mooi dag hê06:25
Kiloslo nuvolari dankie seun en jy ook06:26
Kiloshi bushtech have voda done nothing about your connection?06:26
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 06:26
mazalMorning everyone06:29
Kiloshi mazal bduk1 06:30
mazalOom Kilos , wat doen mens met 'n skroewedraaier in minetest ?06:30
Kiloshaha ThatGraemeGuy se jy maak goed reg06:31
mazalWatse goete ?06:31
Kilosek weet nie, self nog nie uitgevind nie06:32
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://wiki.minetest.net/Screwdriver06:32
Kilosty ThatGraemeGuy 06:32
Kilosoh my , is that how the fly turned planks around06:33
Kilosi leave them as they fall06:34
mazalThanx ThatGraemeGuy 06:34
ThatGraemeGuyyw06:34
bushtechKilos: voda sent a guy out wdo did some tests which he mailed to voda radio section, the next day that tower stabilised, so strongly suspect that tower was wonky.07:11
bushtechstill trying to figure out what these short outages are when no activity my side07:12
bushtechoops.He's gone. gpu popped again?07:13
charlgood morning07:25
charlhi mazal, ThatGraemeGuy, bushtech07:25
charlMaaz: coffee on07:25
* Maaz washes some mugs07:25
bushtechmorning Charl07:25
mazalHi charl07:26
ThatGraemeGuyhi charl07:28
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!07:29
Kilosmorning superfly 07:30
Kilossigh power in pta sucks07:30
bushtechKilos: voda sent a guy out wdo did some tests which he mailed to voda radio section, the next day that tower stabilised, so strongly suspect that tower was wonky.07:30
bushtechstill trying to figure out what these short outages are when no activity my side07:30
Kilosbushtech, run 07:30
Kilossec07:30
Kilosmtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.807:31
Kilosoh you on win07:31
Kilosoi07:31
bushtechcan do on ubuntu server07:31
Kilostry run the ping from a server07:31
Kiloshaha07:32
Kilosmaybe you got timeouts when afk07:32
bushtechyep. mostly happens overnight07:33
Kiloswhat kind of work do you do that you cant run ubuntu on everything07:34
Kilosim running win7 on one pc just so i can use IE07:35
bushtechI have family that run widows that need help07:35
KilosIE in winetricks script is so tiny i battle to read07:36
Kilosaha07:36
bushtechWhy need IE. I deleted IE on my win 707:36
Kilossec07:37
bushtechOK ran that command. What di I need to look at?07:37
bushtechdi = do07:37
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Kilosit will keep running and should keep connection active07:38
Kilosyou can paste the results to slexy.org and one of the clever guys will explain07:38
bushtechOK. Thanks.  data usage?07:38
Kilosminimal07:38
bushtechGreat! Let's see if it works07:39
Kilosi have to use IE for these peeps07:39
Kiloshttps://workplace.clickworker.com/en/07:40
Kilosthe fox is good to start but cant do the  second lot of assesments07:40
bushtechAh. was wondering cos I could open link07:42
Kilosif you look at the uhrs assesments i think its called there you see they say only IE works07:43
bushtechbiggest packet loss on my mtr consistenly on 196.25.10.69 =6%07:43
Kilosyou can pause it and copy paste to slexy.org07:45
Kilosmy packet losses all show 0%07:46
Kilosyou can see which is the bad link there too07:46
Kilosbut 6% is min. we had one that went to 70%07:47
bushtechmine leaks like a bad tap. only top 2 show 0%07:48
Kilosoi07:49
KilosThatGraemeGuy, is there something bushtech  can do about it?07:50
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:54
bushtechIntersting. running another mtr from my lappy through putty. results look very different07:55
Kilosand thats going through the server that reports losses?07:55
bushtechyep ssh into ubuntuserver07:58
Kilosdoes it show the same bad links?07:58
Kilosi dont know enough about this07:58
Kilosor anything else IT involved07:58
bushtechThey are getting closes to each other now but server shows 8.8.8.8 on 52% while SSH shows 0% for 8.8.8.808:00
Kilosmaybe server fixes them for you?08:01
bushtechnot sure what you mean Kilos. the mtr running in terminal on server shows that big loss. The remote login shows )%08:03
Vince-0Haai kbmonkey_ 08:04
Vince-0I mean Kilos 08:04
Kiloslol08:04
Kilosi mean that the server is fixing the packet losses so your lappy doesnt get all the probs08:05
Kilosor absorbing them08:05
Kilosthe pro is good at this kinda stuff but so busy he rarely gets chat time anymore08:06
bushtechI'll keep watching it for a while. As long as it keeps my connection up I'll be happy08:07
Kilosif you are clued up on windows stuff you can join ##kilos , thats where we do non linux help08:09
ThatGraemeGuyuh08:13
ThatGraemeGuysummary?08:13
Kilospacket losses with mtr08:13
Kiloshow to fix or improve it08:14
ThatGraemeGuyspeak to your network admin/ISP08:14
ThatGraemeGuythere's nothing any end user can do about that08:14
Kilosserver shows higher losses than lappy that ssh to it08:14
ThatGraemeGuyeh sorry, busy now08:15
Kilosthere you go bushtech rev voda some more, they can actually see you online while chatting to them08:15
Kilosnp ty ThatGraemeGuy 08:15
bushtechThanks Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy08:17
* mazal het kopseer , het die woord windows gehoor08:18
Kiloshope you get things improved bushtech 08:21
Kiloshaha @ mazal 08:22
mazalMaar aan die ander kant moet ek darem sê daai gaming kas van my loop soos 'n warm roomys. Niks probleme nie08:23
Kilosmooi08:33
Kilosmaar wat van ons sn mazal speel jy nog daar ook?08:39
Kilosohi my fly08:40
mazalNope oom , ek en Barry speel op myne. Teen die tyd toe ek hoor van die nuwe een by julle sonder lag het ek te veel effort in myne se software en hardware ingesit om hom te abandon. Ek en Barry het toe besluit om op myne aan te gaan.08:41
superflyohi08:41
Kilosso ons kan jou goed oorneem mazal ?08:43
mazalOom Kilos , ja julle kan maar09:23
bduk1Los my goed ek vertrou nognie die Mazal se server heeltemal nie09:23
mazalJy het min vertroue in Linux bduk ?09:23
charlis julle nog besig om mindtest te speel ?09:27
charlof waar gaan dit oor09:27
superflycharl: I don't know if they are playing at the moment, but the server is still there, and we do still play09:28
charlsuperfly: ah :)09:28
charli wanted to try it at some point09:28
mazalCharl I still play daily , just not on the same server09:29
superflycharl: you can ask ThatGraemeGuy for the URL09:29
ThatGraemeGuyhuh09:29
superflys/URL/domain name/09:29
superflyThatGraemeGuy: for minetest09:29
ThatGraemeGuymt.donaldson.za.net port 3000009:30
charlhmm latency is a bit high 156 ms09:30
charlis that a problem ?09:31
ThatGraemeGuynope09:31
Kiloslol09:31
ThatGraemeGuymazal: have you started getting lag again?09:32
mazalNothing at all ThatGraemeGuy 09:33
ThatGraemeGuyso you just like the whole apartheid thing? :-p09:33
mazalNope , like I told Kilos , by the time I found out about youer server I already put in too much time on software and hardware for mine to abandon it09:34
charllol apartheid09:34
mazalI didn't know about the plan of yours09:34
Kiloshahaha09:34
ThatGraemeGuyhehehe09:34
ThatGraemeGuyits cool no need to explain09:34
ThatGraemeGuywe're not cool enough for you, message received09:35
* ThatGraemeGuy cries in the corner while rocking back and forth slowly09:35
Kilosrofl09:35
charl:D09:36
ThatGraemeGuyI'm waiting patiently for the new version so that we can get mesecons and home decor without having to tell everyone to use a unstable build :-D09:47
Kilosty09:47
ThatGraemeGuysupposed to be released on sunday09:49
* Kilos waits with baited breath10:28
Kilosi think thats the right spelling10:28
Kilosour spell checker is too busy these days10:29
bushtechcorrect10:37
ThatGraemeGuy"bated" breath10:47
* ThatGraemeGuy crawls back into his corner10:47
Kiloshaha ty10:47
KilosMaaz, define bated10:48
MaazKilos: Bate \Bate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Bated}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Bating}.] [From abate.] 1. To lessen by retrenching, deducting, or reducing; to abate; to beat down; to lower. [1913 Webster]  He must either bate the laborer's wages, or not employ or not pay him.                --Locke. [1913 Webster]  2. To allow by way of abatement or deduction. [1913 Webster]10:48
MaazTo whom he bates nothing of what he stood upon with the parliament.                       …10:48
KilosMaaz, define baited10:48
MaazKilos: Bait \Bait\ (b[=a]t), v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Baited}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Baiting}.] [OE. baiten, beit[=e]n, to feed, harass, fr. Icel. beita, orig., to cause to bite, fr. b[imac]ta. [root]87. See {Bite}.] [1913 Webster] 1. To provoke and harass; esp., to harass or torment for sport; as, to bait a bear with dogs; to bait a bull. [1913 Webster]  2. To give a10:48
Maazportion of food and drink to, upon the road; as, to bait horses. --Holland. [1913 Webster]  3.…10:48
Kilosi baited my hooks to catch salmon10:49
bushtechI stand corrected. bushtech hangs head in shame10:51
Kiloshaha we all here to learn something or other10:51
Kilosno shame involved10:51
Kilosthyey both sound good when talking though10:54
Kilosthey10:54
mazalNow I finally understand why I shouldn't backup to NTFS or FAT3211:22
mazalPicked up recently that my scripts doesn't run. Then saw my steam refuse to open as well.11:23
mazalInvestigated and found that all my scripts and steam has lost it's executable permission. Then remembered that I restored a /home backup that was lying on NTFS11:23
charlimportant lessons learned11:37
* nuvolari <3 Zest T111:40
nuvolariwell, kinda waiting for the battery life test11:41
charlooh this looks good11:48
charlfor equivalent of 136 euro that's a good deal11:48
charlwb tinuva 12:08
charlso apparently if you use irc you are an extremist12:08
charlaccording to the NSA, in any case12:08
charlirc is an "extremist forum"12:08
charlso, my fellow extremists...12:08
mazallol12:08
charlhttp://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/xkeyscorerules100.txt12:09
nuvolariwait what?12:33
nuvolarilol12:33
* nuvolari be extremist12:33
nuvolariconforming to non-standard communication12:34
nuvolariin quotes12:34
mazalBye everyone , enjoy your weekend12:44
Kilosyou too mazal 12:44
charli hear irc extremism is on the rise ...12:55
charli think the only real extremists are the nsa with these draconian measures12:55
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nuvolariit's only extremist because they need to go to extremes to understand it :P13:02
charllol13:03
nuvolariwhy, actually, does a form of communication need to be 'extremist'?13:06
nuvolariso when they start to use pidgeons, will the NSA start to kill the pidgeons?13:07
charllol13:07
Kiloshahaha13:15
magespawngood afternoon all13:20
nuvolarioh hi magespawn 13:21
charlhi magespawn 13:23
charllong time no speak to, you been busy ?13:23
Kiloshi magespawn 13:24
charlshit 30 degrees outside right now13:44
charland it's even partly cloudy13:44
charl:(13:44
magespawnyup with work and personal stuff13:44
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charlmagespawn: no man that is no excuse you must come say hi more often :)13:49
charldon't abandon your brothers and sisters in arms :)13:49
magespawnindeed13:55
magespawni ofetn forgat13:55
magespawnoften forget13:55
magespawni am busy setting up a webserver and other software on a laptop so that i can move it around to showcase some software14:13
charlmagespawn: VM ?14:39
charlhave you looked at packer and vagrant ?14:39
charlworks with both virtualbox and vmware14:39
magespawncharl no i installed ubuntu server on the laptop and i am working from there15:02
charlah15:06
magespawnhome time for me, later all15:06
charlsame here15:10
charllater all15:10
charlhey psychicist :)16:52
charlhow are you doing16:52
Kiloshi psychicist 16:52
Kiloshi kbmonkey_ 17:22
kbmonkey_hi Kilos 17:24
kbmonkey_jas but I lag slow tonight17:25
Kilosagain17:25
kbmonkey_how are you Kilos ?17:26
Kilosim ok ty lad and you kbmonkey_ ?17:26
Kilosfind where your lag is and have it fixed17:27
theblazehenEvening all, Kilos 17:33
Kiloshi theblazehen power back on?17:33
theblazehenKilos: yeah :) since yesterday17:34
theblazehenAnyone mind filling out https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1LqwPjgb32p2lhk3a1pIm5XDYVIZo6GRNUgI6u6kA2MY/viewform ?17:34
kbmonkeyhow is the mining going Kilos ?17:35
kbmonkeybeen getting home late lately, not much play time17:35
Kiloslekker kbmonkey very rare to get any lag17:35
kbmonkeywas hoping to try play some tonight but now I got battles with the tubes 17:35
kbmonkeyKilos: is it still the server of graemeguy?17:38
Kilosyip works well17:38
kbmonkeyhmm, just says connecting for a long time.17:39
Kilosstop and try again17:39
kbmonkeyI am17:39
kbmonkey3rd times a charm17:39
Kilosoh my17:40
kbmonkeyconnecting...17:42
kbmonkey_at least updates are flying :D17:45
kbmonkey_oh dear, it is replacing sysvinit with systemd...17:45
Kiloslol17:45
Kilosoh my already17:45
kbmonkey_rolling release xD17:46
theblazehenkbmonkey_: debian?17:47
theblazehen...17:47
kbmonkey_oh wow I see the minetest changelog has some android build files :D17:47
kbmonkey_theblazehen: yep17:47
kbmonkey_theblazehen: crunchbang17:47
theblazehenai. Was hoping it might be gentoo :(17:47
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theblazehenI want to like gentoo but I don't17:48
kbmonkeyI got my sis to download me freebsd I must go copy it from her...17:48
theblazehenkbmonkey: yeah, was thinking of running it myself.. But KSP don't work on there17:49
kbmonkey1cc40c0 Add support for Android 2.3+ :D :D17:50
kbmonkeyKSP theblazehen ?17:51
theblazehenKerbal Space Program17:51
theblazehentl;dr http://i.imgur.com/KxUHaU0.jpg17:51
SquirmSo17:51
Squirmdecided to leave for Cape Town now17:51
theblazehenhi Squirm 17:52
psychicisthich17:52
Squirmwill see you all on the other side :P17:52
psychicist:)17:52
psychicisthi Kilos 17:52
psychicisthi kbmonkey 17:52
psychicisthi charl 17:52
Kilosgo safe Squirm 17:52
psychicistsorry, I was watching the world cup17:52
theblazehenhi psychicist 17:52
psychicisthi theblazehen 17:52
psychicisthi Squirm 17:52
psychicistsee you on the other side, my friend17:53
psychicist:D17:53
kbmonkeyha ha good image theblazehen! the little guys remind me of Invader Zim!17:54
theblazehenkbmonkey: lol17:54
kbmonkeycool Squirm have a good trip!17:54
kbmonkeyKilos: rebuilding minetest after source update. 17:55
Kiloswhat source?17:56
kbmonkeyif I can't play I may just have to do something else like eat nachos xD17:56
kbmonkeysource code for minetest17:56
Kiloslol17:56
Kilosdidnt you have it installed?17:56
Kilosif it aint broke dont fix it17:56
kbmonkeywell it wont connect man17:57
theblazehenKilos: If it aint broke, break it17:57
Kilosstill now17:57
kbmonkey^ what theblazehen said XD17:57
theblazehenThen fix it better17:57
kbmonkeywe love breaking things17:58
charlah i discovered the secret now17:58
charlchromium plays youtube videos over html5 video at 1080p17:58
theblazehencharl: -Syu --force?17:58
theblazehenoh..17:58
charlfirefox can only do at 360p17:58
charlwhat is that - -Syu --force ??17:59
Kiloswhen you have time one of you two try opera browser please17:59
theblazehencharl: A way to occasionally break arch linux when passed as arguaments to pacman17:59
charlKilos: ooh no :( opera is closed source :(17:59
kbmonkeycharl: you could try remove the flash addons for firefox and go to youtube.com/html5 and enable it 18:00
Kilosno man18:00
charltheblazehen: ah :)18:00
charlkbmonkey: i don't have flash addons in firefox18:00
charlkbmonkey: i don't even have flash installed18:00
KilosMaaz, google opera browser for debian linux18:00
MaazKilos: "Opera - Debian Wiki" https://wiki.debian.org/Opera :: "The Opera .deb Repository" http://deb.opera.com/ :: "Linux i386 - Opera Web Browser | Faster & safer | Download the ..." http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux-i386 :: "Linux PowerPC - Opera Web Browser | Faster & safer | Download ..." http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux-ppc&ver=10.1018:00
Maaz:: "Opera for Debian - CNET Download.com" http://download.cnet.com/Opera-for-Debian/3000-2…18:00
charlflash is pure evil that technology, it's a huge security risk having it enabled in your browser18:00
kbmonkeyopera is gross18:01
theblazehencharl: Preach!18:01
Kiloswill be interesting to see how it performs18:01
kbmonkeycharl: gnash and videotop to the rescue :D18:01
Kiloslol kbmonkey its my main browser18:01
kbmonkeyopera is not free software18:01
Kilosmuch faster than the fox18:01
charlkbmonkey: gnash makes me gnash on my teeth ... last time i tried it it was total kaput18:01
kbmonkeyit is free to download, but that is all18:01
Kiloswhat more you want?18:02
psychicistcharl, I am doing fine, thanks. how have you been?18:02
charlpsychicist: i'm doing great !18:02
kbmonkeyha ha charl *crunches teeth*18:02
Kilosupdates are free too and addons and plugins18:02
charlpsychicist: just wishing the rain would stop and the weather would clear up in NL right now18:02
psychicistcharl, I am considering moving on and away from Poland, but there are two things keeping me here (money and girls) :)18:02
kbmonkeyKilos: when we talk about free, we mean free as in freedom, not as in free beer :)18:02
Kiloslol18:02
charlkbmonkey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeping_and_gnashing_of_teeth18:03
psychicistcharl, here the weather is always good during summer, there isn't much to complain about18:03
charlthat's how i feel about gnash :)18:03
Kilosman it works kiff, you dont need to fiddle with the source code18:03
Kilosai! ek sukkel party keer18:03
charlKilos: it's not about being able to mess with the source code, it's about the principle of free and open source software compared to proprietary source code18:04
charlunlikely (considering it's norwegian) but for all that we know, the nsa can have spyware built into it18:04
Kilosso do you refuse to use nvidia and the other one too18:04
charlthe same counts for skype, for example18:04
charlKilos: of course ! i use intel hd graphics card18:05
charland especially considering that skype has been bought by microsoft18:05
charland we all know how microsoft feels about the nsa :) very positive indeed18:05
kbmonkeyKilos: if you buy a car but you can't know what condition the engine is, or even how many cylinders the thing has, it makes you worry!18:05
theblazehenkbmonkey: good analogy18:06
charlyeah good one !18:06
kbmonkeybut if you let mechanics from all over the world look at the engine, and they can all agree it is safe to drive, then you feel better, yes? ;)18:06
Kiloswell my friends it works well here. and outpaces the fox and doesnt upgrade so often or so big18:06
charlbrb18:07
Kilosthe fly told me to try it and im thankful18:07
Kilosi dont trust other mechanics18:07
theblazehenKilos: Just use VPN with compression..18:08
Kilosi dont even know what that is18:09
theblazehenKilos: virtual network connection18:10
Kiloswith what?18:10
theblazehenkbmonkey: whats up with your connection? 3g?18:10
kbmonkeytheblazehen: yes :(18:11
kbmonkey12 second ping time to nickserv18:11
theblazehenkbmonkey: Try dropping down to edge? 18:11
theblazehenWhen I have bad 3G edge is often better18:11
kbmonkeyis edge the same as 2G? I can only force 2G or 3G18:12
theblazehenyeah, @G18:12
theblazehen2G*18:12
Kiloskbmonkey, listen now18:12
kbmonkeyKilos: connected! 18:13
Kilosfind 400 bucks18:13
kbmonkeyyes...?18:13
* kbmonkey puts banana in ear and listens18:13
Kilosgo to telkom shop and get their promo starter pack and tell them open it there because you want the d-link dwm-157 not the 15618:14
Kilosthe 156 is 7.2m/s and the 157 is 22m/s18:14
Kilosand has stronger reception18:15
Kilosian has found with different customers the 157 works where no other modems even get signal18:15
kbmonkeyokay Kilos I'll go chat with them18:16
kbmonkeyKilos: I have never played on a server this fast wow18:19
Kiloswonderful hey18:19
kbmonkeyare you under in the mines?18:23
Kilosya here by my house18:24
kbmonkeyhow deep are you now?18:28
Kilos-9018:29
Kilosthe deep is -380018:29
Kilosto go faster press e18:29
ThatGraemeGuy'lo18:40
kbmonkeyhai18:42
kbmonkeyhmm wonder if I should switch networks while router charges... 18:43
superflyohi19:02
theblazehenhi ThatGraemeGuy superfly 19:03
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:09
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