[07:13] <xubuntu743> Does anyone know how to sign a key once it has been imported on 14.04?
[07:14] <xubuntu743> LOL! I thought all us computer geeks stayed up all night!
[07:18] <elfy> less jittery than some though - so manage to stay in one place for longer
[07:27] <Andrzej> somebody can tell my, why when I use static ip i don't have internet ?
[07:29] <knome> maybe your router doesn't support that ip (range)
[07:30] <knome> or if you are not behind a router, your ISP most probably doesn't support static ip's
[07:30] <knome> (unless they specifically do, and if it's like that, you shouldn't have working internet *if* you don't have a static ip)
[07:34] <Andrzej> knome: my router support that ip. when i give it for windows it's ok, but when i give it for xubuntu i don;t have internet :(
[09:01] <reyt> Can anyone help me out with a problem?
[09:06] <poeticrpm> !ask
[09:06] <baizon> poeticrpm: hes already gone
[09:06] <baizon> he waited 1 min :(
[09:06] <poeticrpm> baizon, ahh missed it
[09:07] <poeticrpm> yeah wtf? The channel isnt a concierge service
[09:08] <Kihokki> Now it is
[09:09] <poeticrpm> not sure I follow, but ok :)
[09:54] <Guido1> hello, i need some help installing my printer on a 64 bit xubuntu laptop. to install the driver i first have to onstall "ia32-libs or lib32stdc++", but both pakages are not found and sudo apt-get install package-name:i386 also doesn work
[11:47] <skribblezatcha> good morning.
[11:59] <kc1di> hello all
[11:59] <PinFloyd> hi
[13:16] <kc1di> how do you disable touch pad in xubuntu?
[13:18] <deshipu> kc1di: in settings
[13:18] <deshipu> kc1di: 'mouse & touchpad'
[13:18] <deshipu> kc1di: the 'enable this device' checkbox
[13:19] <kc1di> thanks for some reason I could not find it at first :?)
[15:02] <sdollins> Anyone have any suggestions for must-have grandma apps? :D
[15:02] <cfhowlett> sdollins depends on the gramma, doesn't it?
[15:03] <sdollins> maybe!
[15:03] <sdollins> I am forcing mine away from Windows XP.
[15:03] <sdollins> Thunderbird and Firefox are what she already uses
[15:03] <sdollins> which is primarily what she does on computer anyways so that's fine.
[15:03] <sdollins> I installed Skype but I'm not sure what else she'd possibly need.
[15:03] <cfhowlett> sdollins give her the linux alternatives to her XP apps
[15:04] <sdollins> I don't think she uses any beyond Firefox/Thunderbird.
[15:04] <cfhowlett> sdollins xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:04] <sdollins> I installed VLC
[15:04] <sdollins> and flash
[15:05] <genii> Too bad no one's packaged this yet:  http://kpg.sourceforge.net/
[15:06] <holstein> look and feel will be most important..
[15:06] <cfhowlett> sdollins hey, if you still have XP, grab the desktop wallpapers!
[15:07] <sdollins> I think greybird is pretty enough for her. She's always used the grey theme on XP.
[15:07] <sdollins> I just moved the panel to the bottom and named the menu "start" ;D
[15:29] <ryan__> any way to add a menu bar to the xubuntu panel?
[15:29] <ryan__> similar to unity
[15:30] <holstein> ryan__: yes
[15:30] <ryan__> ok
[15:31] <ryan__> what do i install
[15:31] <holstein> an easy way is, an xfce panel with a transparent background.. but, its not "managed" the same, though, it looks similar.. there are also many docks.. plank, docky, AWN, wbar. but, the xfce panel option requires no install, and has no additional overhead
[15:31] <holstein> ryan__: ^
[15:32] <ryan__> that doesnt sound like it adds the windows menu bar to the panel
[15:32] <ryan__> that just sounds like,.
[15:32] <ryan__> a transparent panel
[15:32] <xangua> ryan__: you mean global menu¿ no
[15:32] <ryan__> yeah
[15:33] <ryan__> global menu
[15:33] <holstein> ryan__: thats is unity dock like
[15:33] <holstein> ryan__: otherwise, just right click and add the normal menu, not the wisker menu..
[15:33] <ryan__> no
[15:33] <ryan__> the menu bar
[15:33] <ryan__> with file view server settings
[15:33] <ryan__> that sort of stuff
[15:33] <ryan__> how do i put that in the panel
[15:34] <holstein> ryan__: file view server settigns?
[15:34] <ryan__> the bar at the top of windows
[15:34] <holstein> ryan__: what windows?
[15:34] <GridCube> ryan__, you mean to have the menu options detached from the windows into a panel?
[15:34] <ryan__> yes
[15:34] <holstein> the menu bar at the top of windows?
[15:34] <holstein> maximus used to do that..
[15:35] <holstein> !info maximus
[15:35] <ryan__> no
[15:35] <ryan__> ugh
[15:35] <ryan__> holstein, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu_bar
[15:35] <ryan__> that
[15:35] <holstein> ryan__: i understand you are finding this frustrating.. but, there is no easy way to make xfce emulate unity
[15:35] <ryan__> i just want the menu bar
[15:35] <ryan__> in the panel
[15:36] <GridCube> ryan__, there was an applet for the panel that did that ages ago
[15:36] <holstein> ryan__: have you tried the "maximus" option? that used to be in the netbook remix and did what you are asking about
[15:36] <GridCube> i don't think it works anymore
[15:36] <holstein> ryan__: maximus addressed that functionality for the netbook remix
[15:37] <ryan__> maximus just hides window decorations
[15:37] <holstein> ryan__: it used to specifically address pulling the menu into the panel as you are asking
[15:38] <GridCube> ryan__, some people report that compiling this https://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ for xfce does the trick, some report it does not
[15:40] <baizon> ryan__: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-windowck-plugin
[15:41] <baizon> GridCube: it isnt working anymore
[15:41] <GridCube> welp
[15:41] <ryan__> baizon, that looks neat
[15:42] <baizon> im using it, every app works, no problems :)
[15:42] <ryan__> how do i install it
[15:43] <baizon> compile it
[15:43] <baizon> or install the deb
[15:43] <sdollins> Docky :D
[15:43] <sdollins> it still exists?
[15:43] <ryan__> i think plan
[15:43] <ryan__> meh
[15:44] <ryan__> im surprised no-ones ported whatever unity uses for menubars to other DEs
[15:44] <xangua> kde has had global meno for years
[15:44] <baizon> ryan__: because its gtk3
[15:44] <baizon> no one else uses it :>
[15:44] <ryan__> gnome does!
[15:45] <xangua> even before kde4
[15:45] <baizon> gnome3 doesnt use appmenu at all
[15:45] <baizon> xfce / lxde are using gtk2
[15:45] <ryan__> that sucks
[15:46] <holstein> i dont think its necessarily a goal of xfce to provide that workflow, but rather a more traditional alternative..
[16:05] <arviceblot> Hi, I'm running xubuntu 14.04 on a laptop with a touchpad and a touchscreen. Is there a way I can enable scrolling on the touchscreen? I don't see it as an option in the device settings.
[16:09] <GridCube> arviceblot, i don't think there is
[16:10] <GridCube> at least i've never seen that option on my netbook
[16:16] <arviceblot> dang, that's too bad
[16:25] <GridCube> arviceblot, some programs have gesture addons
[16:25] <GridCube> like firefox and chrome
[16:26] <GridCube> that you can install and enable things like scrolling and such
[16:42] <ddsss_> this is driving me nuts. If I turn monitor power off and on again - my desktop doesn't come back again. I have to Ctrl+Alt+F1 and "sudo service lightdm restart"... Does anyone know why is this happening?
[16:43] <ddsss_> ^it only began happening after 14.04 install...
[16:47] <baizon> ddsss_: yes its a bug
[16:47] <baizon> ddsss_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[16:52] <ddsss_> baizon, that's a relieve. I thought I was going crazy. pluggin unplugig, replacing hdmi cables.
[17:08] <GridCube> ddsss_, as pointed in several posts in that bugreport the fastest workaround is having a keybind that executes an "xrandr -s ###x####" to reset the screen
[17:10] <adymitruk> the googling does nothing and I'm wondering why new applications that I install are not showing up in the application finder..
[17:10] <adymitruk> I'm fairly new to xubuntu but familiar with ubuntu
[17:12] <holstein> adymitruk: what application?
[17:14] <adymitruk> intellij idea ce
[17:14] <adymitruk> but it happened for others too like evolution
[17:22] <GridCube> adymitruk, did you search for the apps in the wishkers menu ?
[17:22] <GridCube> or in the appfinder application?
[17:23] <adymitruk> another one is hipchat
[17:23] <adymitruk> they show up in the application menu
[17:23] <adymitruk> but not with the alt-f2
[17:28] <adymitruk> any ideas?
[17:28] <ddsss_> GridCube, what are pound signs mean?
[17:29] <GridCube> ddsss_, the screen resolution, like 1600x900 or whathevs
[17:29] <ddsss_> GridCube, so if mine is 1920x1080: xrandr -s 1920x1080
[17:30] <ddsss_> GridCube, trying it...
[17:30] <GridCube> ddsss_, if you just type xrandr you will get a list of the available resolutions
[17:31] <GridCube> the one you are currently using will be marked by an asterisk
[17:31] <ddsss_> GridCube, nope
[17:32] <GridCube> the screen did not light up?
[17:32] <ddsss_> GridCube, nope
[17:33] <GridCube> did you bind that to a key combo or you just sent it from a terminal?
[17:33] <ddsss_> GridCube, I went into keyboard-> application shortcuts and bout xrandr -s 1920x1080 to Ctrl+Alt+r
[17:34] <ddsss_>  /bout/bound/s
[17:34] <GridCube> sounds about right
[17:35] <ddsss_> GridCube, i don't think restart was needed
[17:35] <ddsss_> gonna try it again. toggling screen
[17:36] <ddsss_> nope
[17:37] <ddsss_> no idea
[17:38] <ddsss_> GridCube, maybe "xrandr --auto" ?
[17:38] <ddsss_> trying xrandr --auto
[17:39] <ddsss_> GridCube, I'll be damn - xrandr --auto fixed it...
[17:39] <GridCube> :)
[17:39] <GridCube> glad to hear that
[17:39] <ddsss_> GridCube, hmm. wait-  why after xrandr --auto xchat lost it's gtk styling....
[17:40] <ddsss_> GridCube, :)
[17:40] <GridCube> mmm try again the --set
[17:41] <ddsss_> GridCube, so xrandr --auto --set ?
[17:41] <GridCube> no no
[17:41] <GridCube> --set 1920x1080
[17:41] <GridCube> no auto
[17:42] <factotum> hello all, my question is what is the default gkt/metacity theme for xubuntu 14.10 and can they be used with Mate?
[17:42] <ddsss_> ^ it says: xrandr: --set must be used after --output
[17:42] <bazhang> 14.10?
[17:42] <factotum> yes 14.10, sorry havent had any caffiene yet
[17:43] <bazhang> thats not released yet
[17:43] <factotum> er 14.04
[17:43] <GridCube> yes, sorry, its xrandr --output YOUROUTPUT --set 1920x1080 , ddsss_
[17:43] <factotum> duh, wow, really sorry
[17:43] <GridCube> you can know your output name from just typing xrandr as well
[17:44] <GridCube> in my case it says "VBOX0 connected 1600x900+0+0 0mm x 0mm"
[17:44] <ddsss_> so GridCube HDMI1 ?
[17:44] <GridCube> yep
[17:44] <ddsss_>  xrandr --output HDMI1 --set 1920x1080 -> trying
[17:45] <ddsss_> GridCube, ahh no. xrandr: --set requires two arguments
[17:46] <GridCube> good earth, sorry
[17:47] <GridCube> ddsss_, type man xrandr
[17:47] <ddsss_> GridCube, but anyways. it doesn't matter. it seems like only xchat lost styling after xrandr --auto.
[17:47] <ddsss_> GridCube, I can live with that:)
[17:47] <ddsss_> GridCube, thanks!
[17:48] <GridCube> ddsss_, remember that the issue should be fixed in the near future anyway by the update
[17:50] <factotum> bleh, think I'll just go back to xfce
[17:51] <factotum> oh, and figured it out, it's greybird, whoo-hoo
[18:37] <adymitruk> the googling does nothing and I'm wondering why new applications that I install are not showing up in the application finder..
[18:37] <holstein> adymitruk: i understand.. what menu? and what application specifically?
[18:38] <adymitruk> evolution in alt-f2
[18:38] <adymitruk> another one is intellij
[18:38] <holstein> adymitruk: so, where are they not "showing up"? alt f2? or some menu?
[18:39] <holstein> you can use tab to autocomplete application names like that..
[18:39] <holstein> !tab
[18:39] <holstein> you can look for them in the terminal..
[18:39] <holstein> !info intellij
[18:39] <adymitruk> they show up in the regular application menu. Hitting alt-f2 is like hitting windows key in ubuntu
[18:39] <adymitruk> except these apps show up in ubuntu
[18:40] <adymitruk> holstein: ^^^
[18:40] <holstein> adymitruk: looks like intellij is a java application
[18:40] <holstein> adymitruk: alt+f2 is not like hitting the windows key in ubuntu
[18:40] <adymitruk> why should it make a difference? Aren't all these launched through the desktop file?
[18:41] <adymitruk> ok.. so what's the difference?
[18:41] <adymitruk> why do some apps show up there and others don't?
[18:41] <holstein> the super key in ubuntu is offering more of a search function.. you can try something like kupfer
[18:41] <adymitruk> even chrome doesn't
[18:41] <holstein> adymitruk: google-chrome will in alt+f2
[18:42] <holstein> adymitruk: you can use tab to autocomplete.. just like in the terminal.. alt+f2 is not a list, or a search.. its like a shortcut to launch a command
[18:42] <adymitruk> so I would think that "application finder" would find applications that I installed via the proper methods
[18:42] <holstein> adymitruk: you are asking to find more than just applications, thats why i suggested kupfer.. did you try it?
[18:42] <adymitruk> nope.. it tabs to the buttons
[18:42] <holstein> !tab
[18:42] <adymitruk> is intellij and evolution not an application?
[18:42] <GridCube> adymitruk, in a terminal?
[18:43] <adymitruk> GridCube: no. in alt-f2 dialog
[18:43] <GridCube> try the autocomplete on a terminal
[18:43] <holstein> adymitruk: as with google-chrome, you are likely not referring to it properly
[18:43] <holstein> adymitruk: please try kupfer
[18:43] <adymitruk> holstein: so is alt-f2 broken?
[18:44] <adymitruk> I figured this is out-of-the-box functionality. I guess not
[18:44] <holstein> adymitruk: no.. if you refer to "chome" as "chrome" in alt+f2, it wont run "google-chrome".. thats not breakage
[18:45] <holstein> adymitruk: you are asking for java apps to be linked.. and expecting the unity search lense function from alt+f2
[18:45] <holstein> adymitruk: have you tried kupfer?
[18:45] <adymitruk> holstein: no I'm not
[18:45] <adymitruk> I read "application finder" and it does not find applications
[18:45] <holstein> adymitruk: if you are pressing "alt+f2" and expecting a search, thats not what it does
[18:46] <adymitruk> so what's the text box for?
[18:46] <holstein> alt+f2 is not an application finder.. though, kupfer is handy for finding many things.. have you tried it?
[18:46] <holstein> adymitruk: alt+f2 is for specifically running a command.. you can run "google-chrome" there, for example.. though, "chome" will not do anything
[18:46] <adymitruk> holstein: I'm not installing more software for what I expect to be basic functionality out of a distro
[18:47] <holstein> adymitruk: its quite small, and does what i think you are looking for
[18:47] <holstein> adymitruk: there is no "unity  lense" type functionality like that in xfce..
[18:47] <adymitruk> typing "a" forexample find abiword
[18:48] <holstein> sure.. and typiing "g" will suggest google-chrome
[18:48] <adymitruk> you would expect other applications to be suggested as you write out the rest of the names
[18:48] <holstein> but, youe have to know that "google-chrome" is for chrome, and not "chrome". its not a finder like that. its just to run a command
[18:49] <holstein> you can learn to start all of the things you are trying to start by using the terminal or alt+f2.. but, if you want search, try soemthing that provides search
[18:49] <adymitruk> sure.. so why is intellij not coming up.. and why does it matter if it's written in java? what if it was natively compiled C or python or whatever?
[18:49] <holstein> adymitruk: where did you get it?
[18:50] <adymitruk> I just want to launch an application not search for one. I'm familiar with what I installed via recommended means.
[18:50] <adymitruk> I expect that application to come up
[18:50] <holstein> sure.. and you can launch that application as the creators intend
[18:51] <holstein> using whatever command they intend.. and you cancreate a command that you can have in your path or whatever you like
[18:51] <adymitruk> I got intellij from where I got evolution
[18:52] <adymitruk> one comes up and the other one doesn't
[18:52] <adymitruk> holstein: ^^^
[18:52] <holstein> adymitruk: so, sudo apt-get intellij ? or the software center? im not finding it in the default sources..
[18:53] <adymitruk> software centre
[18:53] <holstein> adymitruk: ok
[18:53] <holstein> adymitruk: i assure you, whatever command it takes to run the software can be used in alt+f2
[18:53] <holstein> adymitruk: its not a search though..
[18:55] <adymitruk> so typing "i" doesn't show it
[18:55] <adymitruk> and I know it's not a search
[18:56] <adymitruk> you already said that
[18:56] <adymitruk> I still expect to launch desktop applications through desktop launchers
[18:56] <holstein> adymitruk: sure. you cant expect to type "i" in alt-f2, just like "chrome" wont autocomplete "google-chrome" there
[18:56] <adymitruk> I know that
[18:56] <holstein> adymitruk: alt+f2 is *not* a desktop launcher, though
[18:56] <adymitruk> I see that typing g does solve the issue
[18:57] <adymitruk> nothing solves the issue for intellij
[18:57] <adymitruk> it's an application finder that seems to launch applications as well, if you want to split hairs
[18:57] <holstein> its only meant to help faciliate lanuching a command.. if you determine what is needed to start intellij, you can use that command with alt+f2
[18:57] <adymitruk> what am I not making clear to you?
[18:57] <holstein> adymitruk: its not meant to launch applications either.. its meant to give you quick access to run a command
[18:58] <holstein> adymitruk: i feel it is me not being clear
[18:58] <adymitruk> why is it called "application finder"?
[18:59] <holstein> adymitruk: you came here, expecting "chrome" to run chrome in alt+f2.. now you see that "google-chrome" is needed.. that will be the same for intellij.. the command "intellij" obvisoulsy is not what lanuches it.. but when you determine what command is needed, you can use alt+f2
[18:59] <holstein> but, alt+f2 is not "intelligent" on that level to search and suggest
[18:59] <GridCube> holstein, however it is
[18:59] <GridCube> if you click the down arrow it becomes from a launcher into a searcher
[19:00] <holstein> there you go ^
[19:00] <holstein> thats what i use kupfer for
[19:00] <holstein> because it searches whatever sources i choose
[19:00] <adymitruk> I don't care about kupfer
[19:00] <adymitruk> I care about xubuntu
[19:00] <GridCube> adymitruk, press the down arrow in the appfinder and try the search again
[19:01] <adymitruk> GridCube: yes. it finds it then
[19:01] <holstein> adymitruk: i use kupfer *in* xubuntu is what im saying..
[19:02] <adymitruk> I should not have to look outside of the distribution to launch applications. That's ridiculous.
[19:02] <holstein> adymitruk: sure.. enjoy!
[19:02] <holstein> adymitruk: seems like you found the answer with the default packages
[19:04] <GridCube> sorry adymitruk i sometimes forget that people wont do the same as i do and i assumed you where already using the launcher as finder
[19:10] <adymitruk> thanks GridCube
[19:25] <bah_> hi all, I have accidentally removed the list with network connections from the top panel, how to enable it again ?
[19:26] <bah_> (I mean the drop  menu with two arrows )
[19:28] <bah_> I can't find it in the "add new items" list in the panel settings
[19:30] <bah_> sorry, something come up... have to leave!    sorry for asking and not being able to wait for reply
[19:31] <bazhang> come back when you have time then bah_
[19:32] <bazhang> we never sleep
[23:19] <xubuntu442> Hello?
[23:20] <slickymaster> !hi | xubuntu442
[23:20] <xubuntu442> I cant seem to be able to write any other characters than just normal letters anyone know wheat i have to change?
[23:27] <ObrienDave> you probably need to find the proper code for non-standard characters
[23:28] <xubuntu442> Proper code? as in Alt pluss NumPad number?
[23:28] <ObrienDave> yes
[23:29] <crimsondusk> or use a different keyboard layout
[23:33] <xubuntu442> just tried this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[23:33] <xubuntu442> And it didnt work
[23:33] <xubuntu442> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1710325
[23:33] <xubuntu442> That was what i was suposed to paste :P
[23:50] <ObrienDave> which keyboard did you choose? which one do you have?