[06:58] morning all [07:37] hi bushtech hopping again [08:25] he must be in the bush [08:49] haha ya he is kinda [08:49] some nature reserve place near pretoria [08:49] hi Vince-0 [08:49] hi bduk [08:54] bduk, doen my n guns asb. vra mazal om vir die laaste keur net in ons minetest te gaan en sy huis deur te vervand met hout deur of dit te delete [08:54] en die chests [08:55] More almal [08:55] Eksal vir hom sms [08:56] dankie baie, se hy kan als uit chests op vloer gooi sommer ek sal skoonmaak dankie [08:59] anyone got an idea how to make ubuntu see an android tablet so sis kan get her stuff off it to put on her xp pc [09:05] hi psychicist [09:09] hi Kilos [09:18] * Kilos gotta install something to let ubuntu be able to see and work on an android tablet [09:22] Kilos: what kind of tablet is it, and what version of Android is it running? [09:23] hi SilverCode stylco she says [09:23] Google made things much harder with the 4.1 (?) release that prevented you from being able to mount the tablet as a normal HDD [09:23] i dunno how to find the version on it [09:24] normally you go to the settings and choose "About Phone/Tablet" [09:24] and it lists the version somewhere [09:24] but with the random brands, it that isn't always the case [09:25] eish 4.1.1 [09:25] the easiest solution is just use something like Dropbox [09:25] oi [09:26] we need to know how to remove pics and music so it has space on it again [09:26] move them to a flash or something [09:27] she already has dropbox with lotsa stuff but that was when she was at a free wifi area, here data is limited [09:27] on my PC (using Netrunner .. basically Kubuntu 14.04), if I plug my Galaxy Note 10.1 in, it shows up as an MTP device [09:27] which allows me to copy stuff off it [09:28] oh i can go to 14.04 kde [09:28] so i must just install netrunner? [09:28] I have a sneaky suspicion that the problem won't be on the Ubuntu side [09:28] but rather the tablet side [09:29] i looked in synaptic and there are lots of android packages but i havent a clue what is needed [09:29] I've dealt with some cheap chiense Android devices that just refuse to show up via USB connections [09:30] ah [09:30] terrible things. [09:30] if you plug the device in, and run "dmesg | tail", does it look like the PC is actually *seeing* the device? [09:30] lemme try [09:32] http://slexy.org/view/s20EVedBaF [09:32] i just see usb stuff. dont show anything meaningful to me [09:34] sjoe [09:45] well the good news is it knows you have plugged something in [09:45] the bad news it is doesn't seem to actuall "register" it [09:45] not sure how to get around that === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle [09:46] are you plugging it directly into the PC, or connecting through a USB hub? [09:47] direct on front usb port [09:47] how can you see it sees it [09:47] which line told you that [09:47] hehe [09:48] isnt it an android app that needs to be installed [09:53] excuse my ignorance [10:12] installed some of the android stuff from synaptic related to android devices and new "dmesg | tail" is very different [10:12] http://slexy.org/view/s2jxfrOQ6z [10:41] Kilos: it looks like it is having a hard time communicating properly over USB. Normally this is due to a bad cable/usb port, or the device hasn't followed the proper USB spec [10:42] I could be wrong, but I don't think installing anything on the device or the PC will help [10:42] ah ty SilverCode for your help [10:43] sorry I can't give more information, but things like this are hard to debug without having the stuff infront of you [10:43] np [10:44] im grateful for any guidance === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] [13:53] ohi superfly [14:34] hoi :p [14:34] hoi smile [14:35] :-) [14:35] hoi smile :) [14:40] good afternoon [14:40] Maaz: coffee on [14:40] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [14:41] hi psychicist again i think and charl [14:41] hi Kilos [14:43] hi charl [14:43] hi Kilos [14:43] yeah [14:43] haha [14:43] I am around but relaxing a bit [14:43] you lucky hey [14:43] it's weekend after all [14:43] yeah [14:43] yeah [14:43] I also upgraded my Kubuntu from 13.04 to 13.10 and 14.04 last night [14:44] Coffee's ready for charl! [14:44] so I think I deserve it to relax a bit now [14:44] hi psychicist [14:44] whew why not install 14.04 strtaight [14:44] Maaz: thanks [14:44] charl: Okay :-) [14:44] straight then just run backup [14:44] because it would be harder, I would have had to mess with the bootloader and stuff [14:44] because I am running it off an USB drive [14:45] oh kde aint got a good backup thing like deja-dup in ubuntu [14:45] ah i want to try that [14:45] running it off usb [14:45] ah [14:45] i tried to install it but it seems like the installer doesn't make it easy [14:46] i have an old 16gb one lying here that i could use as a portable ubuntu install [14:47] yeah [14:47] i have done it . sold one with 12.04 installed with all the apps for data recovery and drive repair info [14:47] the installer works [14:48] i just installed straight to the usb stick [14:48] but then when I tried to boot the system, the drive letters didn't match [14:48] or rather the drive names in Linux [14:48] it only gave me options to "replace" and "erase" etc but not to do a fresh install on a usb alongside my existing install [14:48] so /dev/sdc turned out to have changed to /dev/sdb and I had to fix that manually [14:49] i fear i might need to first disconnect or wipe the hard drive so i can select a drive to install to [14:49] oh ya i unplugged the internal and installed [14:49] problem to disconnect if i'm on a laptop [14:49] then i have to open the whole thing up [14:49] ubuntu installer sucks :( [14:49] I can't unplug the internal because this is my work laptop [14:49] oi [14:50] I just don't boot into Windows when I don't need to [14:50] i only run windows inside a vm for when i have to use it for some app [14:50] our support ticket application only runs in IE at work [14:50] so i run it inside vmware [14:51] I would like to try installing onto an eSATA drive, though [14:51] I would probably get better performance using that [14:51] eSATA - like an external hard drive? [14:51] in unity with disk-utility you can format the stick to mbr then install should be easy as the dvd sees it as a bootable drive [14:51] yeah [14:51] yeah but then you have to plug it in every time, and it's much larger than a flash drive [14:51] these days you get 32gb or larger on a flash drive [14:52] oh, but I am using an USB drive actually [14:52] which is more than enough for a system disk [14:52] I mean and external USB hard drive [14:52] an* [14:52] with a full installation of Kubuntu [14:52] oh i see [14:52] actually one step better would be sd card [14:53] probably yes [14:53] because sd card fits nicely internally so i can move my laptop around freely without fear of knocking out or damaging the usb flash drive [14:53] although then it's not as portable anymore because i can't boot a regular pc off it without an sd card reader [14:53] but super handy for laptops though [14:54] some desktops have sd card readers but most don't :( [14:54] you can always build a card reader into it like I did [14:55] possible but it's my work machine so i don't want to mess with it too much [14:55] my laptop is my personal one [14:56] oh, I understand [14:56] an external USB card reader then, but that would defeat the purpose probably [14:58] i dunno i still have a spare usb flash drive lying around, i'll do that first :) [14:58] will see about the card later [14:58] i just wanted a bootable ubuntu stick for repairing crashed pcs mainly boot probs and then for data recovery [14:59] and it works [14:59] Kilos: that's a good thing to have lying around [15:00] haha i had it for 2 weeks. was planning on selling them with a booklet i wrote but ian grabbed it and gave me R2oo so i was happy [15:00] oi [15:00] R200 [15:00] stick cost R110 [15:00] 16G [15:01] he used it to fix his pc, and now uses it at clients as well [15:02] i installed boot-repair on it as well and that comes in handy with pcs with boot probs [15:02] psychicist: you do java development as well ? [15:02] or you were learning it ? [15:03] anyone got any clues as to why my plasma doesn't load once I've logged in? [15:03] charl, I know java actually, but I am not doing any development at the moment. I want to get certified for OCAJ/OCPJ [15:04] psychicist: ah, i tried eclim for the first time yesterday, it was a bit of a pain to get working properly but once i "got it" it works really nicely [15:04] charl, what is that? [15:04] psychicist: problem with eclim is it's based off eclipse, and i don't know what you think of eclipse, but i really don't like it [15:05] eclim is a vim plugin for java development that works off eclipse in the background [15:05] oh, I don't like eclipse either [15:05] so you get things like context menus for all your java classes etc [15:05] sjoe superfly ian had that and someone gave me a command for him to run [15:05] that is quite nice, yes [15:05] wb smile [15:06] something with sudo blah blah plasma start or start plasma [15:06] psychicist: i don't really care for context menus that much but they are handy sometimes [15:06] thanks :p [15:06] charl, psychicist, have you guys looked at IntelliJ? [15:06] nope, googling [15:07] charl: I'm trying out a bash script, which involves restarting Firefox :P [15:07] smile: ah you use chatzilla... :) [15:07] superfly: does it have good maven integration ? [15:08] not sure, I don't do Java [15:08] lol [15:08] they have a Python plugin, so I use that [15:08] superfly, hi. I haven't looked at it, no. I have netbeans installed in case I need an IDE [15:08] i'll park it and perhaps i can try it at work [15:08] well, I use PyCharm, which is the python plugin in a product [15:08] we were looking for a better ide than eclipse because we all hate it [15:08] in my experience it's the IDE that sucks the least [15:08] i refuse to use it, i use vim instead, still the best editor :) [15:08] yeah [15:09] ah i see it has support for spring [15:09] I'm waiting for KDevelop to have a decent Python plugin... right now PyCharm still beats it, but PyCharm is still annoying. [15:09] that's good [15:09] we moved our C++ dev from Eclipse CDT to KDevelop [15:10] i used to use kdevelop long time ago (7 years or so) [15:10] since then moved to vim and never looked back [15:11] we do a lot of pairing, so we need to be able to just sit down at any PC and work [15:11] thus KDevelop works the best [15:11] (and it's got some pretty awesome features) [15:12] superfly: do you work like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYBjVTMUQY0 [15:13] hahaha [15:13] I know that video well [15:13] we use BitBucket at work, and when that video came out it did the rounds [15:13] my response to pair programming: no thank you :P [15:13] charl: yes :p [15:13] oh my goodness, a pull request [15:14] :O [15:14] fork, spoon and knife [15:14] charl: have you seen this? https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat [15:15] superfly: nope, watching it now [15:17] superfly: hmmm can't download the .mov and i don't have flash installed [15:17] when i try to download the mov it keeps pausing or something [15:17] might be on youtube [15:18] oh wait, here it goes now [15:18] just had to retry 10 times [15:19] ok [15:19] seemed to work for me [15:20] amazon s3 bah [15:20] for a company that was "the first" they seem to have fallen far behind [15:22] whahaha that video [15:22] ok i'm off ttyl all [15:24] see you later charl [15:32] charl: apparently, I can create multiple profiles for firefox, one test profile and one running profile :p === smile is now known as smile|eten [15:38] Kilos: I found my problem.... disk space [15:38] I'm running this particular Kubuntu off an 8 gig flash drive [15:38] 8 is actually too little... [15:46] ouch superfly what size disk? [15:46] oh ok i read more [15:46] sjoe [15:47] hi Rynomster [15:52] maybe i must get 0ad with my night surfer data, minetest is using 3 or 4 months data a month [15:52] but i love it [16:22] Kilos: try freeciv or freecol maybe? [16:22] what are they theblazehen ? [16:23] i need something that doesnt wanna go online [16:23] want to [16:27] and i cannot stop playing minetest, just need to limit how much i do [16:27] have you people been looking at blackphone [16:28] ya since i was young, all telcom phones were black [16:28] hehe [16:28] now telcom is telkom [16:30] talking about https://www.blackphone.ch/ [16:31] the review (in dutch) does not sound so positive http://webwereld.nl/beveiliging/83057-blackphone-traag--onhandig-maar-wel-superveilig-update [16:32] i'm looking for a 100 [16:33] 100% open source phone [16:33] sorry hit enter by mistake [16:51] lol [16:51] i enjoy when you okes also make mistakes [16:51] Kilos: we are human we make mistakes all the time :P [16:51] i often have to first edit my lines [16:52] problem is once you hit enter it's out there :P [16:52] ya lol [16:53] i get killed lots in minetest from hitting wrong keys [16:54] http://zestmobile.net/ nice ! [17:58] hmm... [18:02] superfly, i found the original hole in the top lava source that you and the monkey fixed way back then [18:02] graeme taught me how to work with lava [18:03] n ow i can clean up my whole mine [18:03] bit of a stutter there [18:05] Anyone know how to compile java prjects? [18:10] Evening everyone [18:10] Oom Kilos here ? [18:10] ya ek is [18:11] Barry het my laat weet ek moet my huise se deure oopmaak [18:11] Maar ek het nie daai adres by die huis nie , kan oom vir my gee asb. [18:11] nie moet nie maar sal jy asb. en die kaste [18:11] sec === smile|eten is now known as smile [18:56] 'lo [18:58] good night! [18:58] :) [18:58] was it something i said? :-o [18:58] nope ;) [19:01] hey magespawn [19:02] hey cahrl [19:02] woops [19:02] hey charl [19:03] hi ThatGraemeGuy magespawn [19:03] hi Kilos [19:03] hi Kilos [19:03] ho ThatGraemeGuy [19:09] 'lo [19:10] magespawn: you know stuff about asterisk right ? [19:10] hi ThatGraemeGuy [19:10] yup charl, some stuff at least [19:10] magespawn: how well does sip work behind nat routing these days [19:10] cause that used to be a major problem [19:12] the asterisk authenticates to the external sip server and keeps the connection alive that way [19:13] i'm looking at some options right now for secure voip [19:13] i'm mainly looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP [19:13] i'm also looking at jitsi and freeswitch atm [19:14] never heard of jitsi but i think freeswitch is based on asterisk [19:14] jitsi is looking really awesome right now [19:16] * magespawn goes to look [19:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi [19:24] that looks pretty complete [19:25] ja man [19:27] i already run an xmpp server (prosody) so i wonder if it will work [19:27] if i just run voip over jitsi using xmpp+jingle [19:28] otherwise i will need to look at adding some voip / sip server but then it will have to be secure and encrypted, preferably end to end [19:28] that's why i was looking at zrtp [19:28] but back when i used to work with asterisk (many years ago) i found it to be very insecure [19:28] practically nothing was encrypted back then and there weren't even proper authentication mechanisms [19:28] it was all "we trust you cause you're on the lan" and also hence the problems with nat routing [19:28] hi Kilos [19:29] how are you? [19:29] nat traversal shouldn't be necessary in any case considering we should all be using ipv6y already [19:29] *ipv6 [19:29] well ty Rynomster and you? [19:29] hi Rynomster [19:29] im well thx :) [19:29] just cold actually [19:29] hit charl [19:29] hi* [19:29] lol [19:29] yea very cold :( [19:29] no please don't hit me :) [19:29] soz lol [19:29] * Rynomster slaps charl with a large trout [19:29] i do not think that all the isp's here in sa have given put ipv6 addresses to the customers yet [19:30] i think that counts for most countries sadly [19:30] magespawn: http://www.google.com/intl/nl/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption [19:31] does ipv6 mean data disappears faster? [19:31] germany and the us are both doing pretty well but as for the rest ... [19:31] Kilos: data disappears? what? [19:31] i hope it won't increase packet loss no... [19:31] lol i mean gets used quicker man [19:31] caps that is [19:32] you uncapped peeps are spoiled [19:32] eh, i don't think that has anything to do with it [19:32] ipv6 is just the follow-up of ipv4 with better protocols and much more address space [19:32] oh course [19:32] so it will probably remain unchanged in that respect [19:32] oh so not faster [19:32] as in, it won't make a significant difference either way [19:33] i was wondering about how the tracking of computers would work with ipv6 [19:33] tracking of computers ? [19:33] how do you mean [19:34] well as i understand it the last part of an ipv6 address in unique to the computer [19:36] the last 64 bits is the network segment part [19:37] so the first 64 bits identifies the network segment and the last 64 bits is upscaled from the 48-bit mac address on the network segment [19:37] or the computer can choose a random mac address (privacy extensions) [19:37] and that keeps changing over time too [19:37] so every day for example you can have a new randomised ip address [19:38] s/random mac address/random last 64 bits/ [19:38] it can also of course randomise the mac address but that's a different story [19:39] when you look at an "upscaled" mac address it has the trademark "ff:fe" in there somewhere [19:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_address#Modified_EUI-64 [19:40] i thought the mac would stay fixed, unless you took stpes to change it [19:40] yes you can easily randomise the mac address but you have to do it using the operating system after booting [19:41] because by default it will always revert back to what the manufacturer set it to [19:42] most people would not know to even look to do that [19:42] you can use macchanger for example [19:42] https://github.com/alobbs/macchanger [19:43] you can also set it using the ifconfig command [19:43] sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF [19:43] but privacy extensions are enabled by default on debian and ubuntu [19:43] openbsd too [19:43] and i would assume most other gnu/linux or *bsd distrobutions [19:44] so there should be absolutely no need for worry [19:45] i do use the other os a fair amount [19:45] bbl [19:45] need to go shower [19:45] been hot and humid all day and i'm sweaty :( [19:48] showers are good [19:53] amusing how the map of alaska is green, i wonder how many addresses they use up there [19:59] how are you magespawn ? [20:12] big soccer match now [20:12] nl vs costa rica [20:42] Kilos i am fine, a bit tired from a busy week [20:42] sjoe , look after yourself man [20:43] hi Xethron [20:43] hi Kilos [21:00] Kilos, it is all good thanks [21:00] ok [21:01] i am off to bed now, good night all [21:02] exit [21:42] night all. sleep tight