[06:58] <Kilos> morning all
[07:37] <Kilos> hi bushtech hopping again
[08:25] <Vince-0> he must be in the bush
[08:49] <Kilos> haha ya he is kinda
[08:49] <Kilos> some nature reserve place near pretoria
[08:49] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:49] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[08:54] <Kilos> bduk, doen my n guns asb. vra mazal om vir die laaste keur net in ons minetest te gaan en sy huis deur te vervand met hout deur of dit te delete
[08:54] <Kilos> en die chests
[08:55] <bduk> More almal
[08:55] <bduk> Eksal vir hom sms 
[08:56] <Kilos> dankie baie, se hy kan als uit chests op vloer gooi sommer ek sal skoonmaak dankie
[08:59] <Kilos> anyone got an idea how to make ubuntu see an android tablet so sis kan get her stuff off it to put on her xp pc
[09:05] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[09:09] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[09:18]  * Kilos gotta install something to let ubuntu be able to see and work on an android tablet
[09:22] <SilverCode> Kilos: what kind of tablet is it, and what version of Android is it running?
[09:23] <Kilos> hi SilverCode stylco she says
[09:23] <SilverCode> Google made things much harder with the 4.1 (?) release that prevented you from being able to mount the tablet as a normal HDD
[09:23] <Kilos> i dunno how to find the version on it
[09:24] <SilverCode> normally you go to the settings and choose "About Phone/Tablet"
[09:24] <SilverCode> and it lists the version somewhere
[09:24] <SilverCode> but with the random brands, it that isn't always the case
[09:25] <Kilos> eish 4.1.1
[09:25] <SilverCode> the easiest solution is just use something like Dropbox
[09:25] <Kilos> oi
[09:26] <Kilos> we need to know how to remove pics and music so it has space on it again
[09:26] <Kilos> move them to a flash or something
[09:27] <Kilos> she already has dropbox with lotsa stuff but that was when she was at a free wifi area, here data is limited
[09:27] <SilverCode> on my PC (using Netrunner .. basically Kubuntu 14.04), if I plug my Galaxy Note 10.1 in, it shows up as an MTP device
[09:27] <SilverCode> which allows me to copy stuff off it
[09:28] <Kilos> oh i can go to 14.04 kde
[09:28] <Kilos> so i must just install netrunner?
[09:28] <SilverCode> I have a sneaky suspicion that the problem won't be on the Ubuntu side
[09:28] <SilverCode> but rather the tablet side
[09:29] <Kilos> i looked in synaptic and there are lots of android packages but i havent a clue what is needed
[09:29] <SilverCode> I've dealt with some cheap chiense Android devices that just refuse to show up via USB connections
[09:30] <Kilos> ah
[09:30] <Kilos> terrible things. 
[09:30] <SilverCode> if you plug the device in, and run "dmesg | tail", does it look like the PC is actually *seeing* the device?
[09:30] <Kilos> lemme try
[09:32] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20EVedBaF
[09:32] <Kilos> i just see usb stuff. dont show anything meaningful to me
[09:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:45] <SilverCode> well the good news is it knows you have plugged something in
[09:45] <SilverCode> the bad news it is doesn't seem to actuall "register" it
[09:45] <SilverCode> not sure how to get around that
[09:46] <SilverCode> are you plugging it directly into the PC, or connecting through a USB hub?
[09:47] <Kilos> direct on front usb port
[09:47] <Kilos> how can you see it sees it
[09:47] <Kilos> which line told you that
[09:47] <Kilos> hehe
[09:48] <Kilos> isnt it an android app that needs to be installed
[09:53] <Kilos> excuse my ignorance
[10:12] <Kilos> installed some of the android stuff from synaptic related to android devices and new  "dmesg | tail" is very different
[10:12] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2jxfrOQ6z
[10:41] <SilverCode> Kilos: it looks like it is having a hard time communicating properly over USB. Normally this is due to a bad cable/usb port, or the device hasn't followed the proper USB spec
[10:42] <SilverCode> I could be wrong, but I don't think installing anything on the device or the PC will help
[10:42] <Kilos> ah ty SilverCode for your help
[10:43] <SilverCode> sorry I can't give more information, but things like this are hard to debug without having the stuff infront of you
[10:43] <Kilos> np
[10:44] <Kilos> im grateful for any guidance
[13:53] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[14:34] <smile> hoi :p
[14:34] <Kilos> hoi smile 
[14:35] <Kilos> :-)
[14:35] <psychicist> hoi smile :)
[14:40] <charl> good afternoon
[14:40] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:40]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:41] <Kilos> hi psychicist again i think and charl 
[14:41] <charl> hi Kilos 
[14:43] <psychicist> hi charl 
[14:43] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[14:43] <psychicist> yeah
[14:43] <Kilos> haha
[14:43] <psychicist> I am around but relaxing a bit
[14:43] <Kilos> you lucky hey
[14:43] <psychicist> it's weekend after all
[14:43] <psychicist> yeah
[14:43] <Kilos> yeah 
[14:43] <psychicist> I also upgraded my Kubuntu from 13.04 to 13.10 and 14.04 last night
[14:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[14:44] <psychicist> so I think I deserve it to relax a bit now
[14:44] <charl> hi psychicist 
[14:44] <Kilos> whew why not install 14.04 strtaight
[14:44] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[14:44] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[14:44] <Kilos> straight then just run backup
[14:44] <psychicist> because it would be harder, I would have had to mess with the bootloader and stuff
[14:44] <psychicist> because I am running it off an USB drive
[14:45] <Kilos> oh kde aint got a good backup thing like deja-dup in ubuntu
[14:45] <charl> ah i want to try that
[14:45] <charl> running it off usb
[14:45] <Kilos> ah
[14:45] <charl> i tried to install it but it seems like the installer doesn't make it easy
[14:46] <charl> i have an old 16gb one lying here that i could use as a portable ubuntu install
[14:47] <psychicist> yeah
[14:47] <Kilos> i have done it . sold one with 12.04 installed with all the apps for data recovery and drive repair info
[14:47] <psychicist> the installer works
[14:48] <Kilos> i just installed straight to the usb stick
[14:48] <psychicist> but then when I tried to boot the system, the drive letters didn't match
[14:48] <psychicist> or rather the drive names in Linux
[14:48] <charl> it only gave me options to "replace" and "erase" etc but not to do a fresh install on a usb alongside my existing install
[14:48] <psychicist> so /dev/sdc turned out to have changed to /dev/sdb and I had to fix that manually
[14:49] <charl> i fear i might need to first disconnect or wipe the hard drive so i can select a drive to install to
[14:49] <Kilos> oh ya i unplugged the internal and installed
[14:49] <charl> problem to disconnect if i'm on a laptop
[14:49] <charl> then i have to open the whole thing up
[14:49] <charl> ubuntu installer sucks :(
[14:49] <psychicist> I can't unplug the internal because this is my work laptop
[14:49] <Kilos> oi
[14:50] <psychicist> I just don't boot into Windows when I don't need to
[14:50] <charl> i only run windows inside a vm for when i have to use it for some app
[14:50] <charl> our support ticket application only runs in IE at work
[14:50] <charl> so i run it inside vmware
[14:51] <psychicist> I would like to try installing onto an eSATA drive, though
[14:51] <psychicist> I would probably get better performance using that
[14:51] <charl> eSATA - like an external hard drive?
[14:51] <Kilos> in unity with disk-utility you can format the stick to mbr then install should be easy as the dvd sees it as a bootable drive
[14:51] <psychicist> yeah
[14:51] <charl> yeah but then you have to plug it in every time, and it's much larger than a flash drive
[14:51] <charl> these days you get 32gb or larger on a flash drive
[14:52] <psychicist> oh, but I am using an USB drive actually
[14:52] <charl> which is more than enough for a system disk
[14:52] <psychicist> I mean and external USB hard drive
[14:52] <psychicist> an*
[14:52] <psychicist> with a full installation of Kubuntu
[14:52] <charl> oh i see
[14:52] <charl> actually one step better would be sd card
[14:53] <psychicist> probably yes
[14:53] <charl> because sd card fits nicely internally so i can move my laptop around freely without fear of knocking out or damaging the usb flash drive
[14:53] <charl> although then it's not as portable anymore because i can't boot a regular pc off it without an sd card reader
[14:53] <charl> but super handy for laptops though
[14:54] <charl> some desktops have sd card readers but most don't :(
[14:54] <psychicist> you can always build a card reader into it like I did
[14:55] <charl> possible but it's my work machine so i don't want to mess with it too much
[14:55] <charl> my laptop is my personal one
[14:56] <psychicist> oh, I understand
[14:56] <psychicist> an external USB card reader then, but that would defeat the purpose probably
[14:58] <charl> i dunno i still have a spare usb flash drive lying around, i'll do that first :)
[14:58] <charl> will see about the card later
[14:58] <Kilos> i just wanted a bootable ubuntu stick for repairing crashed pcs mainly boot probs and then for data recovery
[14:59] <Kilos> and it works
[14:59] <charl> Kilos: that's a good thing to have lying around
[15:00] <Kilos> haha i had it for 2 weeks. was planning on selling them with a booklet i wrote but ian grabbed it and gave me R2oo so i was happy 
[15:00] <Kilos> oi
[15:00] <Kilos> R200
[15:00] <Kilos> stick cost R110
[15:00] <Kilos> 16G
[15:01] <Kilos> he used it to fix his pc, and now uses it at clients as well
[15:02] <Kilos> i installed boot-repair on it as well and that comes in handy with pcs with boot probs
[15:02] <charl> psychicist: you do java development as well ?
[15:02] <charl> or you were learning it ?
[15:03] <superfly> anyone got any clues as to why my plasma doesn't load once I've logged in?
[15:03] <psychicist> charl, I know java actually, but I am not doing any development at the moment. I want to get certified for OCAJ/OCPJ
[15:04] <charl> psychicist: ah, i tried eclim for the first time yesterday, it was a bit of a pain to get working properly but once i "got it" it works really nicely
[15:04] <psychicist> charl, what is that?
[15:04] <charl> psychicist: problem with eclim is it's based off eclipse, and i don't know what you think of eclipse, but i really don't like it
[15:05] <charl> eclim is a vim plugin for java development that works off eclipse in the background
[15:05] <psychicist> oh, I don't like eclipse either
[15:05] <charl> so you get things like context menus for all your java classes etc
[15:05] <Kilos> sjoe superfly ian had that and someone gave me a command for him to run
[15:05] <psychicist> that is quite nice, yes
[15:05] <charl> wb smile 
[15:06] <Kilos> something with sudo blah blah plasma start or start plasma
[15:06] <charl> psychicist: i don't really care for context menus that much but they are handy sometimes
[15:06] <smile> thanks :p
[15:06] <superfly> charl, psychicist, have you guys looked at IntelliJ?
[15:06] <charl> nope, googling
[15:07] <smile> charl: I'm trying out a bash script, which involves restarting Firefox :P
[15:07] <charl> smile: ah you use chatzilla... :)
[15:07] <charl> superfly: does it have good maven integration ?
[15:08] <superfly> not sure, I don't do Java
[15:08] <charl> lol
[15:08] <superfly> they have a Python plugin, so I use that
[15:08] <psychicist> superfly, hi. I haven't looked at it, no. I have netbeans installed in case I need an IDE
[15:08] <charl> i'll park it and perhaps i can try it at work
[15:08] <superfly> well, I use PyCharm, which is the python plugin in a product
[15:08] <charl> we were looking for a better ide than eclipse because we all hate it
[15:08] <superfly> in my experience it's the IDE that sucks the least
[15:08] <charl> i refuse to use it, i use vim instead, still the best editor :)
[15:08] <psychicist> yeah
[15:09] <charl> ah i see it has support for spring
[15:09] <superfly> I'm waiting for KDevelop to have a decent Python plugin... right now PyCharm still beats it, but PyCharm is still annoying.
[15:09] <charl> that's good
[15:09] <superfly> we moved our C++ dev from Eclipse CDT to KDevelop
[15:10] <charl> i used to use kdevelop long time ago (7 years or so)
[15:10] <charl> since then moved to vim and never looked back
[15:11] <superfly> we do a lot of pairing, so we need to be able to just sit down at any PC and work
[15:11] <superfly> thus KDevelop works the best
[15:11] <superfly> (and it's got some pretty awesome features)
[15:12] <charl> superfly: do you work like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYBjVTMUQY0
[15:13] <superfly> hahaha
[15:13] <superfly> I know that video well
[15:13] <superfly> we use BitBucket at work, and when that video came out it did the rounds
[15:13] <charl> my response to pair programming: no thank you :P
[15:13] <smile> charl: yes :p
[15:13] <charl> oh my goodness, a pull request
[15:14] <charl> :O
[15:14] <charl> fork, spoon and knife
[15:14] <superfly> charl: have you seen this? https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
[15:15] <charl> superfly: nope, watching it now
[15:17] <charl> superfly: hmmm can't download the .mov and i don't have flash installed
[15:17] <charl> when i try to download the mov it keeps pausing or something
[15:17] <superfly> might be on youtube
[15:18] <charl> oh wait, here it goes now
[15:18] <charl> just had to retry 10 times
[15:19] <superfly> ok
[15:19] <superfly> seemed to work for me
[15:20] <charl> amazon s3 bah
[15:20] <charl> for a company that was "the first" they seem to have fallen far behind
[15:22] <charl> whahaha that video
[15:22] <charl> ok i'm off ttyl all
[15:24] <psychicist> see you later charl 
[15:32] <smile> charl: apparently, I can create multiple profiles for firefox, one test profile and one running profile :p
[15:38] <superfly> Kilos: I found my problem.... disk space
[15:38] <superfly> I'm running this particular Kubuntu off an 8 gig flash drive
[15:38] <superfly> 8 is actually too little...
[15:46] <Kilos> ouch superfly what size disk?
[15:46] <Kilos> oh ok i read more
[15:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:47] <Kilos> hi Rynomster 
[15:52] <Kilos> maybe i must get 0ad with my night surfer data, minetest is using 3 or 4 months data a month 
[15:52] <Kilos> but i love it
[16:22] <theblazehen> Kilos: try freeciv or freecol maybe?
[16:22] <Kilos> what are they theblazehen ?
[16:23] <Kilos> i need something that doesnt wanna go online
[16:23] <Kilos> want to
[16:27] <Kilos> and i cannot stop playing minetest, just need to limit how much i do
[16:27] <charl> have you people been looking at blackphone
[16:28] <Kilos> ya since i was young, all telcom phones were black
[16:28] <Kilos> hehe
[16:28] <Kilos> now telcom is telkom
[16:30] <charl> talking about https://www.blackphone.ch/
[16:31] <charl> the review (in dutch) does not sound so positive http://webwereld.nl/beveiliging/83057-blackphone-traag--onhandig-maar-wel-superveilig-update
[16:32] <charl> i'm looking for a 100
[16:33] <charl> 100% open source phone
[16:33] <charl> sorry hit enter by mistake
[16:51] <Kilos> lol
[16:51] <Kilos> i enjoy when you okes also make mistakes
[16:51] <charl> Kilos: we are human we make mistakes all the time :P
[16:51] <Kilos> i often have to first edit my lines
[16:52] <charl> problem is once you hit enter it's out there :P
[16:52] <Kilos> ya lol
[16:53] <Kilos> i get killed lots in minetest from hitting wrong keys
[16:54] <charl> http://zestmobile.net/ nice !
[17:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:02] <Kilos> superfly, i found the original hole in the top lava source that you and the monkey fixed way back then
[18:02] <Kilos> graeme taught me how to work with lava 
[18:03] <Kilos> n ow i can clean up my whole mine
[18:03] <Kilos> bit of a stutter there
[18:05] <theblazehen> Anyone know how to compile java prjects?
[18:10] <mazal> Evening everyone
[18:10] <mazal> Oom Kilos here ?
[18:10] <Kilos> ya ek is
[18:11] <mazal> Barry het my laat weet ek moet my huise se deure oopmaak
[18:11] <mazal> Maar ek het nie daai adres by die huis nie , kan oom vir my gee asb.
[18:11] <Kilos> nie moet nie maar sal jy asb. en die kaste
[18:11] <Kilos> sec
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:58] <smile> good night!
[18:58] <smile> :)
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> was it something i said? :-o
[18:58] <smile> nope ;)
[19:01] <charl> hey magespawn 
[19:02] <magespawn> hey cahrl
[19:02] <magespawn> woops
[19:02] <magespawn> hey charl 
[19:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy magespawn 
[19:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos
[19:03] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[19:03] <magespawn> ho ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[19:10] <charl> magespawn: you know stuff about asterisk right ?
[19:10] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:10] <magespawn> yup charl, some stuff at least
[19:10] <charl> magespawn: how well does sip work behind nat routing these days
[19:10] <charl> cause that used to be a major problem
[19:12] <magespawn> the asterisk authenticates to the external sip server and keeps the connection alive that way
[19:13] <charl> i'm looking at some options right now for secure voip
[19:13] <charl> i'm mainly looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP
[19:13] <charl> i'm also looking at jitsi and freeswitch atm
[19:14] <magespawn> never heard of jitsi but i think freeswitch is based on asterisk
[19:14] <charl> jitsi is looking really awesome right now
[19:16]  * magespawn goes to look
[19:16] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi
[19:24] <magespawn> that looks pretty complete
[19:25] <charl> ja man
[19:27] <charl> i already run an xmpp server (prosody) so i wonder if it will work
[19:27] <charl> if i just run voip over jitsi using xmpp+jingle
[19:28] <charl> otherwise i will need to look at adding some voip / sip server but then it will have to be secure and encrypted, preferably end to end
[19:28] <charl> that's why i was looking at zrtp
[19:28] <charl> but back when i used to work with asterisk (many years ago) i found it to be very insecure
[19:28] <charl> practically nothing was encrypted back then and there weren't even proper authentication mechanisms
[19:28] <charl> it was all "we trust you cause you're on the lan" and also hence the problems with nat routing
[19:28] <Rynomster> hi Kilos
[19:29] <Rynomster> how are you?
[19:29] <charl> nat traversal shouldn't be necessary in any case considering we should all be using ipv6y already
[19:29] <charl> *ipv6
[19:29] <Kilos> well ty Rynomster and you?
[19:29] <charl> hi Rynomster 
[19:29] <Rynomster> im well thx :)
[19:29] <Kilos> just cold actually
[19:29] <Rynomster> hit charl
[19:29] <Rynomster> hi*
[19:29] <charl> lol
[19:29] <Rynomster> yea very cold :(
[19:29] <charl> no please don't hit me :)
[19:29] <Rynomster> soz lol
[19:29]  * Rynomster slaps charl with a large trout
[19:29] <magespawn> i do not think that all the isp's here in sa have given put ipv6 addresses to the customers yet
[19:30] <charl> i think that counts for most countries sadly
[19:30] <charl> magespawn: http://www.google.com/intl/nl/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption
[19:31] <Kilos> does ipv6 mean data disappears faster?
[19:31] <charl> germany and the us are both doing pretty well but as for the rest ...
[19:31] <charl> Kilos: data disappears? what?
[19:31] <charl> i hope it won't increase packet loss no...
[19:31] <Kilos> lol i mean gets used quicker man
[19:31] <Kilos> caps that is
[19:32] <Kilos> you uncapped peeps are spoiled
[19:32] <charl> eh, i don't think that has anything to do with it
[19:32] <charl> ipv6 is just the follow-up of ipv4 with better protocols and much more address space
[19:32] <Kilos> oh course
[19:32] <charl> so it will probably remain unchanged in that respect
[19:32] <Kilos> oh so not faster
[19:32] <charl> as in, it won't make a significant difference either way
[19:33] <magespawn> i was wondering about how the tracking of computers would work with ipv6
[19:33] <charl> tracking of computers ?
[19:33] <charl> how do you mean
[19:34] <magespawn> well as i understand it the last part of an ipv6 address in unique to the computer
[19:36] <charl> the last 64 bits is the network segment part
[19:37] <charl> so the first 64 bits identifies the network segment and the last 64 bits is upscaled from the 48-bit mac address on the network segment
[19:37] <charl> or the computer can choose a random mac address (privacy extensions)
[19:37] <charl> and that keeps changing over time too
[19:37] <charl> so every day for example you can have a new randomised ip address
[19:38] <charl> s/random mac address/random last 64 bits/
[19:38] <charl> it can also of course randomise the mac address but that's a different story
[19:39] <charl> when you look at an "upscaled" mac address it has the trademark "ff:fe" in there somewhere
[19:40] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_address#Modified_EUI-64
[19:40] <magespawn> i thought the mac would stay fixed, unless you took stpes to change it
[19:40] <charl> yes you can easily randomise the mac address but you have to do it using the operating system after booting
[19:41] <charl> because by default it will always revert back to what the manufacturer set it to 
[19:42] <magespawn> most people would not know to even look to do that
[19:42] <charl> you can use macchanger for example
[19:42] <charl> https://github.com/alobbs/macchanger
[19:43] <charl> you can also set it using the ifconfig command
[19:43] <charl> sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF
[19:43] <charl> but privacy extensions are enabled by default on debian and ubuntu
[19:43] <charl> openbsd too
[19:43] <charl> and i would assume most other gnu/linux or *bsd distrobutions
[19:44] <charl> so there should be absolutely no need for worry
[19:45] <magespawn> i do use the other os a fair amount
[19:45] <charl> bbl
[19:45] <charl> need to go shower
[19:45] <charl> been hot and humid all day and i'm sweaty :(
[19:48] <magespawn> showers are good
[19:53] <magespawn> amusing how the map of alaska is green, i wonder how many addresses they use up there
[19:59] <Kilos> how are you magespawn ?
[20:12] <charl> big soccer match now
[20:12] <charl> nl vs costa rica
[20:42] <magespawn> Kilos i am fine, a bit tired from a busy week
[20:42] <Kilos> sjoe , look after yourself man
[20:43] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[20:43] <Xethron> hi Kilos
[21:00] <magespawn> Kilos, it is all good thanks
[21:00] <Kilos> ok
[21:01] <magespawn> i am off to bed now, good night all
[21:02] <magespawn> exit
[21:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight