[00:02] <acovrig> because I don't feel like waiting 62hr for dd to clear a drive...
[00:02] <DANtheBEASTman> daftykins: no not really
[00:02] <DANtheBEASTman> i'm reasonably proficient with linux but I'm stumped here
[00:03] <earth2mark> quick question regarding cloning a disk with dd — is this not a good idea if the source disk is mounted read-only, i.e. in recovery mode?
[00:03] <jasongrave> Yo! DANtheBEASTman earth2mark
[00:03] <DANtheBEASTman> what
[00:06] <Byt3> Ola
[00:12] <errrrrik> anybody using elementaryos?
[00:12] <Beldar> errrrrik, Not supported here is all.
[00:12] <Beldar> They have a channel
[00:13] <errrrrik> just ubuntu users here?
[00:13] <ObrienDave> i think someone uses it over on #xubuntu-offtopic
[00:13] <Beldar> errrrrik, Ubuntu and canonical distros yes.
[00:14] <syntroPi> errrrrik, /JOIN #elementary
[00:15] <errrrrik> thanks syn
[00:18] <ice9> is the a yahoo messenger client that supports video/audio chat?
[00:19] <ObrienDave> pidgin, i think
[00:20] <Fudge> need some help troubleshooting usb problem,. using trusty 3.13 kernel. Sometimes not often usb works, like today. But most of the time it does not.
[00:20] <larzconwell> I'm on 12.04 and when running `runlevel` I get "unknown" anyone know how to fix this?
[00:20] <daftykins> acovrig: urandom is overkill. /dev/zero is fine for disk blanking
[00:20] <Fudge> larzconwell:  i thought runlevels were non existent anymore
[00:21] <Beldar> Fudge, Have you updated the kernel on the usb and this is a ISO load not a full install?
[00:21] <Fudge> Beldar:  installed to ssd, bout 3 months ago
[00:22] <Fudge> Beldar:  it started happening when I overclocked my K series CPU, but now it is underclocked after resetting bios, now running at 3000mhz
[00:22] <Fudge> from dmidecode         Current Speed: 3000 MHz
[00:22] <acovrig> daftykins, but I need the result to be indistinguishable from losetup -e aes
[00:23] <Beldar> Fudge, Honestly that is a lot of mixed info rather confusing, can you make a clear description to the channel.
[00:23] <Fudge> Beldar:  my usb gear is actually working currently at the moment. But could garuntee if I rebooted it would not
[00:23] <daftykins> acovrig: riiiiiight, how come?
[00:24] <Fudge> Beldar:  um can try, my usb keyboard mouse and microphone sometimes work in Ubuntu Trusty 3.13 kernel. Noticed the behaviour after I overclocked my I5 but now it is underclocked.
[00:24] <DANtheBEASTman> Hi, I have a b43 wireless chip, and for some reason I can't get it working on 14.04. i've `apt-get install firmware-b43-installer` but running `modprobe b43` just sits there and hangs
[00:24] <Beldar> Fudge, That is better but that is "channel' info I have no idea.
[00:25] <Fudge> thanks Beldar  ill start researching if there are usb roblems with ubuntu and uefi on gigabyte boards
[00:26] <jay__> hey DANtheBEASTman I have firmware-b43-installer on running right now
[00:26] <daftykins> DANtheBEASTman: done this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/450631/broadcom-b43-wifi-not-working-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[00:26] <jay__> it was annoying to get it working but can be done. so you've already installed the packages? DANtheBEASTman
[00:27] <acovrig> I would like to make a truly hidden fs (as per http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/34684/truly-deniable-encryption)
[00:27] <jay__> there is  a dependency it will install with it. DANtheBEASTman
[00:28] <DANtheBEASTman> hmm i had only installed b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer.. i'll try the others
[00:28] <jay__> after you install the firmware-b43-installer do an grade. someone here will know the apt command
[00:29] <jay__> oh also, you have to restart the computer even though it doesn't tell you to DANtheBEASTman .  Maybe that's all you need to do now?
[00:29] <DANtheBEASTman> oh I need to /remove/ STA, hadn't done that, hopefully that will help
[00:30] <Fudge> Beldar:  something on gigabyte boards called IOMMU enabling fixes problems I am reading
[00:30] <syntroPi> acovrig, how would you explain that it makes sense for you to walk around with a disk full of random data?
[00:33] <Beldar> Fudge, For the record I have no help for you, you want to address the channel if you need help.
[00:33] <acovrig> mbr has a limit of 2TB, so the last 750G can't have a partition in it, so it could make sense to put random data there
[00:33] <jay__> DANtheBEASTman. if you've installed in package run this command "apt-get upgrade" then, restart your computer
[00:33] <Fudge> Beldar:  I am aware of that, I am simply giving you closure, ou're welcome :p
[00:33] <jay__> i bet it'll be good to do. i had the same issue a few days ago
[00:33] <jay__> good to go*
[00:36] <Oxid> how can i set the system so it won't go to sleep after 30 min ?
[00:37] <usr13> Oxid: screenserver settings, power save options
[00:37] <Beldar> Oxid, look in brightness and lock for a time dropdown
[00:38] <Beldar> my mistake power
[00:39] <Oxid> i think is good brightness and lock and i turn lock off
[00:39] <jay__> can someone direct me to an article or something about how to understand the SYNOPSIS when doing "man apt-cache" for example
[00:40] <jay__> or understanding the SYNOPSIS for any manual for that matter
[00:41] <noidea> What might be the best option for having multiple ftp running on one server?
[00:41] <daftykins> not using FTP at all
[00:42] <noidea> i don't get it
[00:42] <daftykins> what are you trying to do?
[00:44] <noidea> i have a one ftp already setup, but i am think about setting up another with anonymous file upload only, as opposed to the secure one i have now.
[00:49] <syntroPi> jay__, not sure but isnt it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus–Naur_Form    ?
[00:50] <syntroPi> or something similar
[00:59] <martin__> hello. i need some advice.
[01:00] <martin__> about making ubuntu to be the second os to boot, after windows 7. each os exists in its own drive. as of now, the ubuntu boots up when the computer is turned on.
[01:01] <daftykins> martin__: read up on GRUB so as to change the default
[01:01] <daftykins> !grub | martin__
[01:02] <martin__> ok. so read about GRUB.
[01:02] <daftykins> martin__: well, how to change the default :) i'd bet putting "ubuntu grub windows default" would get you a nice google result unfortunately it's too late for me to assist directly
[01:03] <missvale1ka> Hiya all! I am writting to y ou from irssi, I need to know how to mount a specific folder of a partition only.
[01:03] <martin__> dafty, thanks for trying. i'll be reading about it.
[01:03] <missvale1ka> I know you can make a home partition, However, I, Also, Want one specific folder of my home partition to be mounted as that specific folder, In this case, /usr/share,
[01:04] <sjelly> Help - trying to re-install Spotify on 14.04. Previous install was version 0.9.43.xx, andtrying to install 0.9.11.26. Have removed previous version using apt-get --purge remove, then apt-get update. When I run apt-get install it still installs the previous version.
[01:06] <Beldar> sjelly, You will get the latest available ubuntu repos
[01:08] <sjelly> If apt-get install gets me only the latest available ubuntu repos, how can I get the most up to date version?
[01:08] <missvale1ka> Asking a question here is like waiting in line at the free clinic, lol..
[01:08] <Beldar> !info Spotify
[01:08] <Beldar> sjelly, This a PPA version?
[01:09] <sjelly> From repository.spotify.com
[01:10] <ObrienDave> sjelly, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/install-spotify-ubuntu-14-04/
[01:11] <Beldar> sjelly, Ah just be aware 3rd party apps are not technically supported here, so the help may be slower if at all.
[01:11] <Zacru> Hey, is this a good place to ask questions about problems installing 64bit Ubuntu?
[01:11] <ObrienDave> sure
[01:12] <Zacru> Cool.  I downloaded the 64bit iso and loaded it onto a USB drive and then when I do the live boot mode it says I'm running 32-bit.  Is this normal?
[01:12] <Beldar> sjelly, Your general issue, the version you will have to take up with Spotify.
[01:13] <Beldar> Zacru, Sounds like you downloaded the 32 bit.
[01:13] <ObrienDave> Zacru, no, it is not normal
[01:13] <sjelly> OK, well thanks for the responses. I have followed the instructions in the ubuntuhandbook link provided. Was just wondering if there was some reason why it was reverting to the older version. I actually have the lastest version running on another Ubuntu box, but don't remember doing anything during the install.
[01:14] <ObrienDave> sjelly, you probably did not purge the old version properly
[01:14] <Beldar> missvale1ka, If you want a file the partition will have to be mounted, just make a symlink.
[01:15] <Zacru> The file name is "ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso" and the md5 even matches the one for 64bit on here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/MD5SUMS
[01:15] <Zacru> Could it be that they got mixed up somehow?
[01:15] <ObrienDave> not likely
[01:15] <sjelly> ObrienDave - I suspect you're right, because when I relaunch the application it remembers my login details, etc.
[01:16] <sjelly> I used sudo apt-get --purge remove
[01:16] <Beldar> sjelly, Look for the config
[01:17] <ObrienDave> sjelly, sudo apt-get --purge spotify, i believe
[01:17] <Beldar> purge no remove
[01:17] <sjelly> ok
[01:18] <ObrienDave> sjelly, get the latest deb here: http://repository.spotify.com/pool/non-free/s/spotify/
[01:21] <Zacru> So if I have the right iso, why would it boot in 32-bit mode?
[01:21] <ObrienDave> no clue on that. are you sure you have a 64bit CPU? just asking
[01:23] <Beldar> Zacru, what does uname -a show
[01:23] <Zacru> ObrienDave,  Yeah, I tried it on one computer that has 64bit Windows 8 and on one running 64bit Ubuntu.  They both booted to 32-bit mode.
[01:24] <Zacru> Beldar, It has this: "Linux ubuntu 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:08:14 UTC 2014 i686 athlon i686 GNU/Linux"
[01:24] <ObrienDave> i686 is 32bit
[01:25] <sjelly> Think I found the cause - latest version is 64-bit only.... and the machine I'm trying to run it on is 32-bit.....
[01:25] <ObrienDave> sjelly, that will do it LOL
[01:25] <Beldar> Zacru, very strange an impossible circumstance to be honest, 64 will not go 32bit.
[01:28] <Zacru> Just re-downloaded and am making a new disk.
[01:29] <sjelly> LOL indeed!
[01:31] <Zacru> Okay, going to reboot on the new one. Be back in a bit.
[01:33] <Zacru_> it;s in 64-bit now...
[01:34] <Zacru_> Could it be caused using usb 3.0 instead of usb 2.0?
[01:37] <ObrienDave> no
[01:38] <Guest38518> hi
[01:39] <Guest38518> hi
[01:57] <obscene> hello
[01:58] <obscene> I am new to linux
[01:58] <ObrienDave> okay
[01:58] <obscene> sorry
[01:59] <ObrienDave> welcome to the world of Linux. how can we help you?
[02:01] <goldenfox> He'll be back
[02:01] <ObrienDave> eventually LOL
[02:02] <goldenfox> ^_^
[02:02] <CrypticByte> Is there a way in 14.04 to add custom right click menu options.
[02:03] <ObrienDave> as far as...?
[02:04] <goldenfox> Have you tried nautilus-actions-config-tool ?
[02:04] <CrypticByte> yes but it doesn't appear to actually do anything
[02:05] <ObrienDave> what are you trying to add to the context menu?
[02:05] <CrypticByte> Create Launcher
[02:06] <ObrienDave> biaf
[02:08] <CrypticByte> apparently it doesn't save my command it just keeps deleting it after I save it and exit the action configuration tool
[02:09] <missvale1ka> I know you can make a home partition, However, I, Also, Want one specific folder of my home partition to be mounted as that specific folder, In this case, /usr/share,
[02:12] <eeee> how do you schedule jobs with cron, isn't it crontab -e? im adding 12 * * * * <command>, but nothing happens, im trying to get aria2c to resume a download every once in a while since my internet connection keeps disconnecting
[02:13] <neil> Does anyone here program in C ?
[02:13] <eeee> neil: try #c
[02:14] <CrypticByte> ok got the create launcher working, now in HexChat how do you get it to minimize to the system notification area?  I dont see anywhere for me to do it
[02:14] <neil> eeee, Cannot join #C (Channel is invite only). :(
[02:15] <Beldar> CrypticByte, top right corner has the standard buttons
[02:16] <Beldar> CrypticByte, This the gnome shell perchance?
[02:16] <CrypticByte> Beldar, unity
[02:16] <CrypticByte> i want to be able to hit the X and it minimize to the system tray where the clock and all that is, like all other DE do
[02:16] <ObrienDave> CrypticByte, look in prefs,chatting,alerts
[02:16] <eeee> neil: try ##c-unregistered, i think you have to register your nick to join #c
[02:16] <CrypticByte> i did no option for a sytem tray icon
[02:17] <Beldar> CrypticByte, X is close - is minimize
[02:17] <mikeg3> How do I run fsck in ubuntu 14.04
[02:17] <Beldar> !fsck | mike3
[02:18] <loganlee> hmmmm
[02:18] <TwistTheNeil> eeee, cool, thanks!
[02:18] <CrypticByte> I guess HexChat just doesn't have a sytem tray icon humm, guess I'll try another IRC client
[02:18] <sveta> it does
[02:19] <Beldar> does here I'm using it now
[02:19] <CrypticByte> not on mine and like i said no where in the alerts section does it say one thing about a system tray icon
[02:19] <ObrienDave> CrypticByte, it does, i'm on HexChat now
[02:19] <sveta> you may want to chat to #hexchat about it
[02:19] <CrypticByte> nah i'll try xchat never had an issue with it before :)
[02:20] <eeee> can anybody help me with crontab?
[02:21] <sveta> if you ask
[02:21] <eeee> how do you schedule jobs with cron, isn't it crontab -e? im adding 12 * * * * <command>, but nothing happens, im trying to get aria2c to resume a download every once in a while since my internet connection keeps disconnecting
[02:21] <sveta> cron jobs get logged to /var/log/syslog so you may be able to see something useful from it there telling why it fails
[02:22] <Beldar> mikeg3, That link enough to get you going?
[02:23] <eeee> CRON[20873]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
[02:24] <sveta> do you have the /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf file?
[02:25] <mikeg3> Beldar:  think so assuming there is no easier  GUI way to disk check.
[02:25] <missvale1ka> exit
[02:25] <Beldar> mikeg3, Not really but the commands are pretty straight forward. What is it you need to check?
[02:26] <eeee> sveta: yes i do
[02:26] <ObrienDave> CrypticByte, http://imagebin.org/315036
[02:27] <eeee> should i uncomment #cron.*				/var/log/cron.log ?
[02:27] <sveta> can you uncomment the line which starts with "cron.*" (remove the hash), save the file, and see if you've got anything in there?
[02:27] <sveta> yes please
[02:27] <loganlee> hmmmmm
[02:29] <mikeg3> Beldar: I am  actually just trying to check a Parallels VM that improperly shut down, wonder if it being a VM changes things.
[02:33] <mikeg3> Beldar:  guess it being a virtual machine doesn't matter for fsck, but the check seemed very fast
[02:36] <eeee> sveta: cron.log isn't being created
[02:38] <sveta> does it add new messages to syslog while it's not creating that file?
[02:38] <eeee> yeah same error as before
[02:39] <sveta> try installing 'postfix' package and see if it makes a difference
[02:41] <Loshki> Is there a channel for vncviewer/vncserver?
[02:41] <loganlee> whats the difference between ubuntu and debian?
[02:41] <holstein> Loshki: which?
[02:42] <holstein> loganlee: lots of plumbing, but, basically, intended audience..
[02:42] <xangua> loganlee: you might wanna take it to  offtopic
[02:43] <Loshki> holstein: well, I'm not sure where the issue is yet. I'm looking for better ways to cut&paste from a vncviewer session to the local host.
[02:44] <holstein> Loshki: thats actually typically blocked, as a security risk.. you should look up ways around that with your specific VNC software.. i ask again, what are you using?
[02:46] <eeee> sveta: i did a sudo service rsyslog restart and cron.log appeared
[02:47] <eeee> but there's not much more info there though
[02:47] <loganlee> i have ubuntu installed on a VM inside windows 8
[02:47] <Loshki> holstein: so you did. TightVNC Viewer version 1.3.9 with Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.9 server with a version of xclipboard which doesn't identify itself...
[02:48] <sveta> what does it say?
[02:48] <sveta> eeee: ^^
[02:48] <eeee> same error as in the syslog
[02:49] <eeee> i noticed in the syslog that root runs cron for php5
[02:49] <eeee> but it's being run from somewhere other than root's crontab
[02:49] <eeee> anyways it seems error free
[02:50] <loganlee> !hello
[02:50] <loganlee> ...
[02:50] <holstein> Loshki: i read there is an option in the tightvnc server for disabling clipboard.. do you see that?
[02:51] <Loshki> holstein: nothing about it in the man page. Looking on the web...
[02:52] <sveta> eeee: and installing postfix made what difference? none?
[02:52] <eeee> i didn't install it, should i?
[02:52] <eeee> i thought it was just for the cron.log
[02:52] <sveta> I would probably try; it is an mta thing
[02:52] <eeee> ok
[02:53] <sivik> anyone know the fix for videos playing too fast in firefox/chrome?
[02:53] <sveta> for some reason it looks like cron likes to use mail transfer agents for sending you detailed emails about the output from your cron jobs
[02:53] <sivik> With ubuntu 14.04
[02:53] <sveta> all videos?
[02:53] <holstein> sivik: check your flash version if its just flash videos..
[02:53] <holstein> sivik: https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[02:54] <sivik> I know its doing it to me in youtube and on subsonice server.
[02:54] <Loshki> holstein: theres actually a popup menu using F8 with an option to copy local to remote & vice versa. Doesn't seem to actually work, though. Still looking...
[02:54] <sivik> So I'm not sure if its flash or what
[02:54] <loganlee> !hello | Log1x
[02:54] <loganlee> !hello | loganlee
[02:54] <holstein> sivik: confirm if its flash, or not. and check your flash version with the link i gave.. https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[02:54] <loganlee> !hello > loganlee
[02:55] <eeee> sveta: i found root's php cron, it's in /etc/cron.d/php5
[02:55] <sivik> holstein, it says 14.0.0.125
[02:55] <sivik> Is there a site that has a flash video I can test with
[02:56] <eeee> postfix is installing
[02:56] <sveta> eeee: that's normal (I don't know what it does, but it is an ok thing to happen when php is installed)
[02:56] <sveta> ok
[02:56] <sveta> loganlee: hi! :)
[02:56] <eeee> sveta: i set it to local only right?
[02:56] <sveta> yes please
[02:57] <sivik> damnit, its not a flash issue
[02:58] <sivik> looks to be a jwplayer issue
[02:59] <loganlee> sveta, hello my friend
[03:01] <sivik> it is flash, thats good to know
[03:01] <sivik> Wonder if its an issue with my video drivers?  they won't install right
[03:01] <eeee> sveta: cool, it sends the output to /var/mail/<user>
[03:02] <sveta> as that user, type 'mail' in terminal, see what it tells you
[03:04] <sveta> sivik: you may want to show your error messages, but don't highlight me, ask the entire channel; it's not a very solid topic with me
[03:04] <eeee> sveta: it shows an aria2c error
[03:04] <sivik> I would love to be able to find error messages
[03:04] <sveta> eeee: we're getting there :)
[03:04] <sveta> !logs
[03:04] <sveta> nope
[03:04] <sveta> !log
[03:04] <sveta> hmm
[03:04] <sveta> one minute
[03:04] <sukhe_> hi. I have a weird issue with increasing the open file descriptor limit. I made changes to limits.conf and updated pam.d/sshd so that for a SSH session, the limits are preserved. if I log in as a normal user, ulimit -n gives me the correct hard and soft limits. if I log in as root, I get the older defaults
[03:05] <sveta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles sivik
[03:05] <sveta> eeee: what is that error? anything you can resolve by adjusting your command?
[03:07] <eeee> i think so, it's taking the directory im in and searching for the file there to resume
[03:08] <trism> sukhe_: root isn't included in the wildcard, you have to specify separately
[03:08] <sivik> no errors when running chrome from command line
[03:08] <sukhe_> trism: woah. thanks! that worked.
[03:09] <sivik> this is damn frustrating
[03:09] <sveta> mmm
[03:10] <eeee> sveta: ok should work now with the -d /path/to/file option
[03:10] <eeee> sveta: thanks for your help! :)
[03:13] <holstein> sivik: you likely wont see helpful errors with closed flash issues like that.. id just try as a different user.. the guest account, and go from there
[03:14] <sivik> i wonder if its a video driver issue
[03:14] <sivik> I'm trying to find something else to play as a video.
[03:14] <sivik> in vlc
[03:16] <eeee> i see aria2c running when i run ps aux, how can i check though what's going on with it?
[03:18] <cursera> hey  i thought ubuntu no longer suported non pae kernel   and i  found  14.04 lts  32 bits for machines with less 2gb
[03:18] <holstein> !pae
[03:18] <Beldar> cursera, xubuntu and lubuntu are non pae
[03:18] <Beldar> on installs anyway
[03:18] <holstein> thus, ubuntu is.. there is a non pae kernel for ubuntu now
[03:19] <cursera> yes but i remember read long time ago no more suport for non pae kernel
[03:19] <loganlee> !pae
[03:19] <holstein> cursera: sure.. you can read, right now.. right here. ther *is* support for pae
[03:19] <xangua> Only if you install from minimal I guess
[03:19] <xangua> Or net install? What is used now?
[03:20] <holstein> cursera: there is a "forcepae" kernel mode option
[03:20] <holstein> !forcepae
[03:21] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE its all outlined here, cursera
[03:21] <loganlee> !hurd
[03:21] <xangua> !Iwantfactoidsback
[03:22]  * ObrienDave refrains from using !42
[03:22] <eeee> if you run something via cron, how can you check the output of the program ?
[03:24] <sivik> now it loads videos fine in vlc but not in my other plugins.
[03:24] <sivik> so I gotta find the chrome vlc plugin
[03:25] <holstein> sivik: your other plugins?
[03:26] <sivik> holstein, like flash
[03:26] <sivik> and if I download the video, totem plays too fast.
[03:27] <sivik> it even plays music too fast even without video.  Something is'nt working right.
[03:27] <eeee> how can i run gnome-terminal && <command> and have the <command> run in the new terminal ?
[03:28] <ObrienDave> sivik, check your plakback speed settings. i have no issues with VLC like that
[03:28] <moussaZ> use & after the command?
[03:28] <sivik> ObrienDave, its working fine in vlc
[03:28] <sivik> except it sees my audio drivers aren't installed
[03:28] <jhutchins> eeee: I don't think you can, but you can set GT to run a command when it starts.
[03:29] <eeee> jhutchins: what im trying to achieve ultimately, is view what a program that i ran via cron is doing
[03:29] <ObrienDave> grrrr, danged typos with my fat fingers LOL
[03:29] <eeee> i can see it in ps aux, but how can i check on it?
[03:29] <jhutchins> eeee: You can also launch screen with a command in a new window.
[03:32] <eeee> you're talking about letting GT run a command when it starts, right?
[03:32] <eeee> what you suggested earlier
[03:33] <holstein> sivik: "its sees my audio drivers are not installed"? what does that mean? do you have audio or no?
[03:34] <eeee> ok it is pretty cool, i can set it to a certain profile, and have gnome-terminal load that profile in the command i run
[03:34] <sivik> holstein, no audio
[03:34] <eeee> thanks jhutchins
[03:34] <sivik> It might be tied to that
[03:34] <holstein> sivik: then, what have you been talking about playing too fast? what audio?
[03:35] <sivik> holstein, the video in all players but vlc are running too fast.
[03:35] <holstein> sivik: without audio?
[03:37] <LonelyDanbo> is there a program that will let me remap my gamepad's button to combination keyboard keys instead of single keyboard keys? The game I'm trying to use it on won't accept in-game remapping, so I need to do it with an external client.
[03:39] <sgllghr> Anyone having problems downloading or installing software, or is the problem on my end?
[03:39] <sivik> sgllghr, all good on my end
[03:39] <sivik> Could be the apt server you are connecting ot
[03:39] <sivik> to
[03:40] <ObrienDave> sgllghr, which mirror are you using?
[03:41] <sveta> eeee: gnome-terminal -e <command>
[03:41] <sgllghr> sivik: Could be. I've tried a couple, though. Let me check which was last.
[03:41] <eeee> sveta: im trying it now
[03:42] <eeee> cuz for some reason with-profile <profile> doesn't run the start-up command, weird
[03:42] <sveta> eeee: 'screen' is a thing it would start in background, and you would be able to "attach" to it in a terminal using "screen -rAadU"; it is GNU screen, maintained by the GNU project.
[03:42] <eeee> but -e echo e opens a window and closes it right away
[03:42] <sveta> eeee: you can run that command without cron and see if it wors, a bit more interactive and easier to debug.
[03:42] <sveta> *if it works
[03:43] <eeee> ok thanks
[03:44] <sveta> "gnome-terminal -e echo e" closes the window when echo stops running -- instantly. if you run your program through it and if it doesn't close off, then the window of the terminal would remain. -- gnome is also maintained (or at least was founded) by the GNU project, and unity environment includes it by default iirc.
[03:44] <sgllghr> sivik: us.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:45] <eeee> apparently if you type gnome-terminal -e "command and options here" it works
[03:45] <eeee> (the quotes are required or it doesnt take any options just the command name)
[03:45] <sveta> acknowledged; that sounds reasonable.
[03:47] <ObrienDave> sgllghr, have you tried changing mirrors?
[03:47] <sgllghr> Yeah; I seem to be hanging on something translation-related when I run an apt-get update.
[03:47] <moussaZ> eeee: have you tried & or is not what you're after?
[03:47] <sgllghr> Same place each time, whichever mirror.
[03:48] <eeee> moussaZ: i tried it, didn't work
[03:48] <sveta> moussaZ: it is okay.
[03:48] <moussaZ> ok
[03:48] <sveta> moussaZ: he's trying to run a program and see what it's outputting.
[03:48] <moussaZ> oh ok
[03:48] <ObrienDave> sgllghr, you probably have a PPA hanging up the process
[03:48] <eeee> i got an error when i tried the gnome-terminal -e "command options"
[03:49] <eeee> error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.
[03:49] <sveta> eeee: I'm a bit concerned about the program running, then you run your script (every few hours or whatever) and start a second instance of the program. would the program figure out that it's already running?
[03:49] <REDfetish> is there any APK emulator for ubuntu?
[03:49] <eeee> luckily in /var/mail postfix sends the output of the program there all the time
[03:49] <eeee> so i can check what's going on
[03:49] <holstein> REDfetish: android emulator?
[03:49] <sgllghr> ObrienDave: I'd think so too, but it's on a shiny fresh install on a new secondary computer. And on my main machine.
[03:50] <sgllghr> Same place.
[03:50] <ObrienDave> REDfetish, only thing i can think of is the android developer suite, eclipse
[03:50] <LonelyDanbo> anyone know how I can search for a gamepad app that remaps to multiple keyboard keys? I suck at searching despite being an internet addict forever.
[03:50] <REDfetish> yup
[03:50] <ObrienDave> sgllghr, no PPAs?
[03:50] <sveta> eeee: for the something something not set: add `` $HOME/.profile; '' without quotes to the beginning of your cron command - it will read in your user's environment variables I believe.
[03:50] <holstein> REDfetish: http://techapple.net/2014/05/5-best-android-emulators-linux-run-android-apps-linux-ubuntulinuxmintfedoraarchlinuxopensusemageiacentos-etc/
[03:51] <sgllghr> ObrienDave: Not on the new machine. Brand-new install.
[03:51] <ObrienDave> sgllghr, gotcha
[03:51] <REDfetish> thank you holstein and ObrienDave
[03:51] <eeee> sveta: actually, your concern is in place, aria2c doesn't check if it's already downloading the file and makes another instance
[03:52] <REDfetish> I think Genymotion is perfect :)
[03:53] <ObrienDave> ok, most of them require Vbox or WINE
[03:53] <REDfetish> right
[03:53] <sveta> eeee: you may want to do some more smart checking (in a script) and have cron run the script, -or- simply kill it off ("pkill aria2c") before starting yuor second instance, if you're okay with that. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2366693/run-cron-job-only-if-it-isnt-already-running is a somewhat ugly (due to their script being php) example of the former.
[03:55] <sveta> eeee: those checks are sane only if you know that your program exits when there is a problem. if you want to restart it -every- time instead, using pkill every time would suffice.
[03:55] <eeee> yeah, pkill will be great
[03:56] <LonelyDanbo> what do they call the keys like "ctrl" and "alt"? "modifier keys"???
[03:56] <eeee> its almost 7 am here O.o
[03:56] <sveta> eeee: I'm heading for a run outside for a couple hours or maybe more; hope you would stay and/or return here at a point so that I could look at what you come up with.
[03:56] <eeee> alright
[03:56] <sveta> thanks. :)
[03:57] <eeee> sveta: thanks for all your help, really appreciated :)
[03:57] <holstein> LonelyDanbo: like with "alt" or "alternate", you press it, and you get an alternate option.. a modified option.. it modifies what the key was doing
[04:00] <x9> Hello! I've got a Toshiba Satellite C55 laptop, running Xubuntu 14.04, and the built-in Wifi isn't working right! It claims I'm connected, but it's not really! Can someone please help?
[04:01] <sgllghr> ObrienDave, sivik: Thanks for the help. Problem appears to have resolved by switching to an overseas server.
[04:02] <x9> Additionally, where can I get the plugin/codec for M4A audio playback?
[04:03] <dotDeb> I think Ubuntu restricted extras?
[04:03] <x9> dotDeb: Doesn't the restricted extras pack also contain additional Wi-Fi drivers?
[04:03] <holstein> !restricted | x9
[04:04] <holstein> x9: the restricted extras does not have wifi drivers
[04:04] <holstein> !wifi
[04:05] <dotDeb> no WiFi drivers, no
[04:06] <ObrienDave> sgllghr, glad you got that sorted out
[04:09] <x9> I enjoy how I will have to compile my own drivers for a computer that was first marketed for having built-in Wi-Fi.
[04:11] <LonelyDanbo> anyone know how I can search for a gamepad app that remaps to multiple keyboard keys? I suck at searching despite being an internet addict forever.
[04:14] <varunendra> x9, can we see the output of "lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net" please?
[04:14] <x9> varunendra: in a minute after this make operation finishes
[04:20] <x9> varunendra, x9@BANANAS:~/Desktop/backports-3.11-rc3-1$ lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net
[04:20] <x9> 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter [10ec:8179] (rev 01)
[04:20] <x9> 	Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:0181]
[04:20] <x9> 	Kernel driver in use: rtl8188ee
[04:20] <x9> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 07)
[04:20] <x9> 	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:ff1e]
[04:20] <unopaste> x9 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[04:21]  * x9 facedesks... sorry
[04:22] <varunendra> x9, so which driver are you compiling?
[04:22] <x9> varunendra, the one on this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/337785/wireless-not-working-on-toshiba-satellite-c55-a5281
[04:25] <varunendra> x9, chili555 (whose post you are following) is no doubt the best person for the job, but you may already have a newer kernel then the driver version suggested in the post. Sometimes an older version is the only good idea, but just out of curiosity, what kernel version you are using? (output of "uname -mr")
[04:25] <x9> 3.13.0-30-generic x86_64, varunendra
[04:26] <varunendra> And the driver suggested there is from kernel 3.11 :)
[04:27] <varunendra> x9, try that driver, and if the problem persists, try a newer version from here : http://drvbp1.linux-foundation.org/~mcgrof/rel-html/backports/ (3.15 is the latest)
[04:27] <x9> should I just try the 3.15 version? or try 3.11 first?
[04:28] <varunendra> x9, go ahead with 3.11 since it is a tested version. Try anything else only if the problem persists after a reboot.
[04:28] <loganlee> hello my brothers
[04:28]  * loganlee enjoying coffee
[04:29] <varunendra> hello loganlee :)
[04:29] <x9> varunendra: according to this http://askubuntu.com/questions/400306/realtek-8188ee-wireless-driver-solved I may just need to try 3.15 anyways
[04:32] <varunendra> x9, sometimes the problem may be other than the driver itself. In such case, the wireless_script report discussed here may help (won't fix anything, would just create a detailed report) : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13024222
[04:32] <LonelyDanbo> why does this webpage say for xdotool to "go to Control Center→ Keyboard Shortcuts" when it has no GUI?
[04:33] <varunendra> x9, did you get the same error message while 'make' process?
[04:33] <x9> indeed I did var
[04:33] <x9> varunendra*
[04:36] <varunendra> x9, then go ahead with 3.15 :) I'll have to go now, may come back in 15-20 minutes though.
[04:36] <x9> alright, thank you!
[04:36] <varunendra> np, good luck x9 :)
[04:38] <x9> bloody hell, it's still failing the same way...
[04:38] <LonelyDanbo> I don't understand what's wrong with me. I can't persevere. I don't know how to evaluate... efficiency. I mean... I do it sometimes, not necessarily well, but I don't know when to.
[04:39] <cursera> .
[04:39] <cursera> .
[04:39] <cursera> .......
[04:43] <LonelyDanbo> I wish I could find my way before I die.l.
[04:44] <sawant> hiiii
[04:45] <sawant>  am getting less /gpl and / copyright at beginning of installation how to proceed
[04:46] <sawant> help plzzzz
[04:47] <ObrienDave> sawant, what seems to be the problem?
[04:48] <x9> any simple way to update my kernel to 3.15?
[04:49] <ObrienDave> x9, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/06/install-upgrade-linux-kernel-3-15/
[04:49] <ObrienDave> glwt
[04:49] <sawant> I purchased a laptop which has Linux os wen I power on laptop it redirects me to page which says less gpl and less copyright I cannot go to desktop
[04:52] <ObrienDave> sawant, not understanding the "less gpl" and "less copyright" parts
[04:53] <ObrienDave> can you post the EXACT error message?
[04:54] <sawant> I said I purchased a new machine I want to get to desktop so wen I power on machine I get these error
[04:56] <ObrienDave> sawant, are you in this chat room using this machine now or another computer?
[04:56] <x9> so I'm running the latest kernel, but I'm still having Wi-Fi problems.
[04:58] <sawant> another Machine
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> x9: wifi chipset and ubuntu version?
[04:59] <ObrienDave> sawant, ok, can you post a picture of the error message to an image hosting site and give us a link to the picture, please
[04:59] <x9> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 14.04, RealTek RTL8188EE
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> x9: did you try realteks driver website for latest drivers?
[05:00] <x9> wouldn't that give me windows drivers?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> x9: they have a bunch of linux drivers
[05:00] <piglit> anyone here using mc? how can i select multiple dirs for cp ?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> x9: some realtek cards might need some firmwire
[05:02] <x9> I can't find anything on their site for that chipset
[05:02] <Alex____> hi
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> just for info: the ubuntu-touch developers have been working alot to improve ubuntu-touch, its looking very neat already on my nexus7 tablet, if your interested join #ubuntu-touch
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> x9: did you check your additional drivers section?
[05:04] <x9> lotuspsychje, nothing there
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> x9: what does lshw -C network say?
[05:05] <ObrienDave> x9, what brand of computer?
[05:05] <sawant> *The complete license terms can be found in the root directory.* *please type "less /GPL" and "less /COPYRIGHT" to view. *
[05:05] <x9> ObrienDave, it's a Toshiba
[05:05] <sawant> Acer aspire e1 _522
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> !details | sawant
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> sawant: explain what you are trying to do plz, installing ubuntu? whats the original Os on the acer?
[05:07] <x9> lotuspsychje, here is the output of that http://pastebin.com/VDTZTfUE
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> x9: driver=rtl8188ee driverversion=3.15.0-031500-generic firmware=N/A
[05:08] <x9> so I need to flash a firmware?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> x9: might be..whats your wifi doig exactly?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> disconnects?
[05:08] <x9> lotuspsychje: it claims to be connected to my wifi, but it's not really. Router claims it as active, but there's no Internet access..
[05:09] <x9> basically, it is connected to wifi, but not the internet.
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> x9: did you install ubuntu with internet enabled?
[05:09] <x9> lotuspsychje: as in connected to the internet? no, it was an offline install
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> x9: maybe try to install, with eth cable?
[05:10] <x9> lotuspsychje: is there I way I can get around that? that seems more like a "last resort" kind of thing... but I will if I desperately have to
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> x9: so at least we sure ubuntu chooses best updated driver
[05:11] <subb1> hi guys.
[05:11] <subb1> while removing a package, I accidentally removed network-manager from my laptop. How do I go about reinstalling it back?
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> x9: well i think its gonna be digging for the right driver/firmware to get your card working best
[05:12] <x9> so I'm basically going to have to reinstall everything. good thing there's nothing much on here...
[05:13] <varunendra> subb1, you should be able to get the download URIs with "apt-get install --print-uris network-manager-gnome" command
[05:13] <varunendra> x9, wut's the report now?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> x9: you dont have to..this is how i would do it
[05:13] <x9> varunendra, I updated the entire kernel to 3.15 but I'm still having trouble
[05:13] <x9> lotuspsychje recommends a reinstall connected to the internet
[05:14] <subb1> varunendra, that still requires network
[05:14] <varunendra> x9, may we see the report I mentioned earlier? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13024222)
[05:14] <Arahael> Why would a reinstall fix things?
[05:14] <allenrm> hey folks
[05:14] <ObrienDave> subb1, how are you communicating on IRC?
[05:14] <subb1> varunendra, I have no networking on my computer now. how can I install it? cd-rom?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> x9: wich ubuntu version did you have again?
[05:14] <x9> 14.04 lotuspsychje
[05:14] <loganlee> subb1, usb stick?
[05:14] <subb1> ObrienDave, im using my pc now, DUH!
[05:15] <varunendra> subb1, nope, that command will just print the download URIs of the required packages instead of actually downloading them, due to the "--print-uris" option
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> Arahael: its not the first time, ubuntu chooses best updated drivers when internet enabled setup
[05:15] <subb1> varunendra, hey thanks. let me check that!
[05:15] <Arahael> lotuspsychje: Weird, and there's no way to trigger this after the install!?
[05:15] <loganlee> !ronaldo
[05:16] <x9> here you are varunendra
[05:16] <x9> http://pastebin.com/uwR7yTa0
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> Arahael: yes sure, you can update afterwards also..but for driver recognize i prefer internet setup
[05:17] <Arahael> x9: Looks like nothing's wrong with the drivers there and it should all be working fine, although that gateway address is odd.
[05:17] <Arahael> x9: Not wrong, but not a typical configuration.
[05:17] <x9> Arahael: you can blame ATT U-verse for that
[05:17] <Arahael> x9: Interesting.
[05:18] <Arahael> x9: I'm inclined to suggest that your drivers are fine.
[05:18] <Arahael> x9: (I'm more of a debian user though, so I come from a different system)
[05:18] <x9> one report gave an N/A for firmware of the chip though... though that may have come from not running it as su...
[05:19] <x9> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rtl8188ee driverversion=3.15.0-031500-generic firmware=N/A confirmed, N/A firmware
[05:19] <dioioib> good evening
[05:20] <x9> so where the hell do I find a firmware for this chip?
[05:20] <varunendra> x9, there are many things that are not too bad, but can be (rather 'should be') optimized to suite the driver.
[05:21] <varunendra> x9, firmware was loaded fine ([   20.772319] rtl8188ee: Using firmware rtlwifi/rtl8188efw.bin)
[05:21] <varunendra> x9, do you have admin access to the router/access-point you are connecting to?
[05:21] <qballer> Hey guys, can anyone help me with this http://askubuntu.com/questions/491719/graphics-hdmi-driver-not-defined ?
[05:21] <x9> lshw -C network listed the n/a firmware... yes I do varunendra
[05:22] <varunendra> x9, that is common for lshw command. No errors in dmesg means everything was fine on firmware front.
[05:23] <varunendra> x9, please change the encryption type in the router to pure WPA2-PSK with AES (CCMP). Currently it is set to WPA/WPA2 mixed mode with TKIP. Also try changing channel to 1 or 11, they usually offer better signal quality.
[05:24] <varunendra> x9, I would also completely disable IPv6 following this post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12640479 , or at least set it to "Ignore" in Network Manager.
[05:24] <x9> varunendra: wouldn't that be a software problem then? and it would be consistent across Ubuntu on most computers... this is the third Ubuntu computer in this building and it's the only one with problems
[05:26] <varunendra> x9, like I said, those settings are *supposed* to work, but it is a known fact that WPA/WPA2 is a poor combination, affecting speed and sometimes overall performance including connectivity. We are just optimizing things. WPA2 with AES is not only more secure, but is more efficient too
[05:27] <varunendra> x9, you can also try some driver parameters available for your driver, example post (with different driver, but with same parameters) : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12815912
[05:28] <varunendra> That is something to be tried in the OS itself.
[05:28] <x9> set to channel 1 with AES... going to do a test, fingers crossed...
[05:28] <subb1> varunendra, thanks a lot mate. It worked!
[05:28] <subb1> :)
[05:29] <varunendra> subb1, welcome :)
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> x9: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog while you playing your wifi, it might show relevant info
[05:31] <x9> and fail... :( but I did learn that it's a problem between Router<->Internet, not Computer<->Router...
[05:32] <varunendra> x9, "it's a problem between Router<->Internet, not Computer<->Router..." - how did you conclude that?
[05:32] <x9> because I can get into my router settings while on Wi-Fi
[05:32] <x9> the router settings page is fine, but getting outside on the internet doesn't work
[05:32] <varunendra> x9, can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
[05:33] <varunendra> x9, as per the report, you were connected via cable. Is it still connected that way?
[05:34] <Casteris> Can someone help me?
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> Casteris: if you describe your problem, yes
[05:35] <Casteris> I don't know how to connect to my screen
[05:35] <Casteris> I can see it using ls
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> Casteris: give us more details plz, what are you trying to do?
[05:36] <Casteris> Run a MC server
[05:36] <Casteris> It's already open
[05:36] <Casteris> Like the multitasking screen commands
[05:36] <Casteris> Oh
[05:37] <Casteris> I'm using ssh on an rdp server
[05:38] <x9> Ethernet decided it didn't want to reconnect, forcing me to reboot...
[05:38] <Casteris> Lol
[05:39] <x9> varunendra, I could ping 8.8.8.8 and go through my router settings... but I can't access things like Google or whatever through Firefox... and IRC just starts the lag meter climbing...
[05:41] <varunendra> x9, I suggest you try setting 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as DNS servers in Network Manager in Ubuntu.
[05:42] <Casteris> Can anyone help me?
[05:42] <x9> that's two on one line, how do I separate them?
[05:42] <ObrienDave> 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4
[05:43] <x9> do I have to reboot to save changes, or should I just pull the plug and test?
[05:43] <Arahael> Note that dns servers, such as google's, can include tracking information.
[05:43] <ObrienDave> no reboot required
[05:44] <x9> here goes nothing...
[05:44] <Casteris> Anyone know how to connect to a screen on ssh ubuntu?
[05:44] <Casteris> Reconnect
[05:45] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: screen -r -d   deattaches and reconnects to it
[05:45] <varunendra> x9, if "nm-tool" command reflects the changed DNS, it has become effective, otherwise not. You may have to restart the 'network-manager' or whole 'networking' service in that case (or simply reboot).
[05:45] <Casteris> I know but it says
[05:46] <x9> how I wish I had another wifi network to test with...
[05:47] <Arahael> x9: Does your mobile have a portable hotspot feature?
[05:47] <varunendra> x9, a smartphone working as a wifi hotspot :p
[05:47] <varunendra> :D
[05:48] <profall> Not sure if this is an ubuntu question or a linux question in general
[05:48] <Casteris> Schrod, https://db.tt/n7toDfH2
[05:48] <x9> unfortunately I'm on verizon and they charge up the @$$ for basic tethering... and I'm on Windows Phone so no way around that yet
[05:48] <profall> Anyone ever hear of a way to make it so users can edit only certain things in a file, but not the whole file. Just certain lines.
[05:48] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: if you have more than one screen, you probably need to run a 'screen -ls' to see what's open.  then you can add the id number to the end of your screen re-connect.  you can also name them when you start them so if you start with screen -S mc then you can screen -r -d mc    later.
[05:49] <x9> and yes, the DNS hasn't been changed yet... is there a killall command to restart networking?
[05:49] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: ok, do a screen -ls   they are either named as something else, not named, or you lost them.
[05:50] <Casteris> https://db.tt/qBSdapBW
[05:50] <varunendra> x9, 'sudo service network-manager restart' and 'sudo service networking restart' - CAUTION : restarting networking service reboots the system sometimes, in some buggy ones.
[05:51] <Casteris> Just did the -ls
[05:51] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: so, that one that you see as 'attached' you would probably need the -d flag to get to that one.  Otherwise you should be able to connect using those id's
[05:51] <x9> can't restart the networking service...
[05:51] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: example, screen -r -d MC  should get you to MC
[05:52] <x9> is there a way to get out of su?
[05:52] <ObrienDave> exit
[05:52] <x9> or do I have to close/reopen terminal?
[05:52] <SchrodingersScat> x9: 'exit'?
[05:52] <Casteris> With both r and d?
[05:52] <varunendra> x9, simply disconnect -> reconnect to the AP
[05:52] <x9> :P
[05:52] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: yes, because it's still attached.
[05:52] <x9> DNSs listed properly, true test... here goes nothing (again)...
[05:53] <ObrienDave> *crosses fingers*
[05:53] <Casteris> How do I see processes?
[05:53] <loganlee> Casmo, ps
[05:53] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: top, htop, ps
[05:54] <varunendra> x9, so 'nm-tool' shows the changed DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) and the browsing problem still exists?
[05:54] <varunendra> x9, travelling time (fun time) over, time to go again.. :|
[05:55] <Casteris> https://db.tt/c3GFW2jd Schrod maybe I should kill Minecraft.... how do I do so?
[05:55] <varunendra> x9, if the problem is too stubborn, I suggest you start a thread at ubuntuforums.org. You may PM me there if no smart guy picks up your thread. My ID is same there (varunendra)
[05:55] <sveta> Casteris: system > task manager, under gnome. (should be a bit similar under Unity, too). -- try sudo kill -9 2412
[05:56] <Casteris> I'm on SSH
[05:56] <hyprvx> x9 here, and the Wi-Fi now works... at least in Firefox... XChat is still lagging out
[05:56] <varunendra> x9, your card may be problematic sometimes, but it works. Hope it is indeed the router settings, not the card.
[05:56] <varunendra> bye for now..
[05:56] <sveta> Casteris: then the "sudo kill -9 2412" would kill the tmux instance forcibly, hopefully including the processes you're concerned about.
[05:57] <sveta> Casteris: I read the pid from the column at the left.
[05:57] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: clean way would be to get to the screen and I forget if it's 'stop' or 'exit' to shut down the server, otherwise you can also hit f9 from within htop there and kill the process
[05:57] <Casteris> I remember something about tmux
[05:57] <Casteris> Lool
[05:58] <Casteris> I can't get kill them with F10 because I'm on mobile
[05:58] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: sveta's way also works
[05:59] <Casteris> ....
[05:59] <Casteris> I just did tmux
[05:59] <Casteris> And it connected me to the screen
[05:59] <Casteris> >-> thanks a lot guys
[05:59] <sveta> perfect
[05:59] <SchrodingersScat> great, good luck
[05:59] <Casteris> Wait a minute
[06:00] <x9> so I'm in with firefox, but it's slow and other applications still aren't working...
[06:00] <sveta> what do they do when you try to launch them?
[06:00] <ObrienDave> is a reboot in order?
[06:00] <x9> sveta: Xchat isn't connected to the IRC server, it
[06:00] <Casteris> How do I get rid of all screens?
[06:01] <x9> its lagging like crazy
[06:01] <x9> I'm going to try rebooting and see what happens
[06:02] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: hmm, you could attach to them then exit from them all, maybe 'killall screen' if you want?
[06:03] <sveta> Casteris: "killall tmux" or "killall screen", optionally with -9 argument for forced kill?
[06:03] <Casteris> Okay they're all gone
[06:03] <sveta> ok
[06:04] <x9> so a reboot has fixed all problems. all this BS was fixed by adding 8 numbers and 6 decimal points.
[06:04] <x9> thank you everybody that helped, I love you all.
[06:04] <ObrienDave> funny how it works that way LOL
[06:04] <x9> now I'm going to bed, it's 1:05 AM. thank you all! good night/morning/afternoon/whatever
[06:05] <Casteris> The screens are gone
[06:05] <Casteris> When I do tmux it just adds a green bar on the bottom
[06:07] <Casteris> But the Minecraft is still running
[06:07] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: yeah, looks like it was under tmux, not a screen? in your screenshot there's all those java lines under that tmux process.
[06:07] <Casteris> Ya it was
[06:08] <Casteris> I forgot about that
[06:09] <samtodd> Hello, I have booted up to Linux via a disc. I tried to install ubuntu but it requires a format of my hard drive. But before I do that I need backup files to a dvd disc. I only have one optical drive. If I remove the ubuntu disc it quits working.
[06:09] <samtodd> How can I backup my files?
[06:09] <Casteris> I know there is a way to start the mc server and attach it to tmux
[06:10] <SchrodingersScat> samtodd: can you load the ubuntu image onto a usb drive instead?  if you have to use dvd media to backup then that might be your option.
[06:10] <Casteris>  Linux so weird :O
[06:10] <ObrienDave> samtodd, STOP! no it does not require that
[06:10] <SchrodingersScat> well, true, doesn't /require/ a format
[06:10] <samtodd> It says I cannot create a partition
[06:11] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: it will be intuitive once you get used to it.
[06:11] <samtodd> Let me try again and tell you exactly what it says...
[06:11] <Casteris> How do I close down that tmux session?
[06:12] <SchrodingersScat> never used it, you can check 'man tmux'
[06:13] <diverdude> I am manually installing an app on my linux box. Is it correct to put all headers in /usr/include, all .so and .a in /usr/lib and all executables in /usr/bin?
[06:14] <Casteris> How do I kill any kind of process not using htop
[06:14] <napoello> hey guys, could someone help me in setting up rdp in a Linux VirtualBox server?  I've been trying to set it up so I can connect for the past day yet all I get is an error stating unable to connect.
[06:15] <ObrienDave> samtodd, what OS is on there now?
[06:16] <ObrienDave> diverdude, which app?
[06:16] <diverdude> ObrienDave,  this: http://www.hdfgroup.org/ftp/HDF5/current/bin/linux-x86_64/hdf5-1.8.13-linux-x86_64-shared.tar.gz
[06:16] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: should be f9, it says on the bottom, but you can also use the killall command like before, or kill with that process number
[06:17] <diverdude> ObrienDave, its a lib and a set of tools
[06:17] <napoello> I did try asking in #VBox but they directed me here until I decide to install the package from their site, rather than Ubuntu's repository
[06:17] <Casteris> I'm on mobile. No F9 here
[06:17] <ObrienDave> diverdude, ok, beyond me ;P
[06:17] <samtodd> obrien I have no operating system at all.
[06:18] <samtodd> My hard drive with the OS took a crap
[06:18] <martin1969> hello, i need some advice. i installed ubuntu and windows 7 on  separate drives and now both drives show up as sda. how do i change my ubuntu drive to sdb so that the windows hard drive boots up and let me select the os i want to use?
[06:18] <Casteris> And I don't think I have access to kill a process with a command
[06:18] <martin1969> as it is, the ubuntu boots up first.
[06:18] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: then that limits you to typing out one of the other methods of killing it, like 'kill -15 `pidof tmux`'
[06:18] <ObrienDave> samtodd, this is a blank HD?
[06:18] <bekks> Casteris: pkill tmux
[06:19] <samtodd> No, its not blank, it has all my files in it
[06:19] <Casteris> Operation not Peltier r
[06:20] <Casteris> Permitted*
[06:20] <samtodd> ,0br
[06:20] <Casteris> I know I can use the F9 but I'm on mobile since I'm away from home atm
[06:21] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: oh, because it's a minecraft user, not your cloud user, that could be it.
[06:21] <samtodd> The installer has detected that the follwing disks have mounted partitions:
[06:21] <samtodd> /dev/sda
[06:21] <samtodd> Do you want the installer to try to unmount the partitions on these disks before continuing?
[06:21] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: if you can sudo, then sudo pkill tmux  would probably kill it.
[06:21] <samtodd> I've tried yes and no to this question.
[06:23] <ObrienDave> samtodd, do you have an external drive to backup to?
[06:23] <samtodd> No sir, I have only one drive.
[06:23] <samtodd> I suppose I can buy a new drive tomorrow.
[06:24] <Casteris> Okay, the tmux is gone
[06:24] <samtodd> But I was hoping to RMA the one that crapped out without having to purchase anything.
[06:24] <Casteris> How can you list the files in your current directory
[06:25] <ObrienDave> samtodd, so let me understand this, you have one HD, no OS, but is data on the drive you want to keep?
[06:25] <ObrienDave> *there is
[06:25] <loganlee> Casteris, ls `pwd`
[06:25] <samtodd> Yes this is correct.
[06:26] <Casteris>  Nothing showed up
[06:27] <ObrienDave> samtodd, does the installer give you an option to install along side of windows, for example
[06:27] <Casteris> Okay I went up a directory and 2 things popped up
[06:28] <SchrodingersScat> Casteris: ls shows files in a directory
[06:28] <wheatthin> samtodd, so, do you have a usb flash drive? Or an online account to drive space on a cloud network?
[06:29] <samtodd> I don't have a USB drive.
[06:29] <ObrienDave> samtodd, better yet, does it give you the option of "something else"?
[06:29] <Casteris> Ok I see how it works
[06:29] <wheatthin> samtodd, ok, how about a bootable dvd?
[06:29] <Casteris> How do I start a .sh?
[06:29] <samtodd> ObrienDave, it does say "something else"
[06:29] <wheatthin> Casteris, sh filename.sh or ./filename.sh
[06:30] <samtodd> wheatthin, I have google drive
[06:30] <Casteris> Ok it started
[06:30] <ObrienDave> samtodd, ok, can you read the data now?
[06:30] <wheatthin> samtodd, well if you have a livedvd, I'd boot up with it, mount the drive without the os, but has the data, and tar.gz it, then upload it to google drive
[06:30] <Casteris> And the app crashed lol
[06:30] <samtodd> ObrienDave, yes under device i have /dev/sda... and /dev/sda1 ntfs 250056MB
[06:32] <wheatthin> cause I dunno if you can resize an ntfs partition without losing data, otherwise I'd say do that, and create a bootable linux partition and install onto that
[06:32] <marjinal1st> How can I find and kill all PTP daemons in Ubuntu? Trying to connect a SLR camera
[06:32] <wheatthin> then follow recovery process
[06:32] <samtodd> ObrienDave, I click on the sda1 and hit "install now" and it says "no root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu"
[06:33] <wheatthin> Hmm
[06:33] <wheatthin> that's cause it's ntfs
[06:34] <Casteris> How do I delete files?
[06:34] <bekks> Casteris: Using "rm".
[06:34] <Casteris>  Thanks for all the help so far guys
[06:35] <samtodd> wheatthin, It is possible to boot from my google drive?!
[06:35] <ObrienDave> samtodd, ok, you need to go to "something else", reduce the size of the NTFS partition from the RIGHT, create a EXT4 partition making it mount as /
[06:36] <samtodd> okay
[06:37] <Casteris> When it asks if I want to delete, what do I do to confirm it?
[06:37] <bekks> Casteris: "man rm", and find "rm -i"
[06:37] <ObrienDave> samtodd, it might say something about not having a swap partition, if you have 8GB of RAM, you can ignore it
[06:38] <samtodd> k
[06:38] <ObrienDave> smoke break, brb
[06:38] <samtodd> I am going to reduce by 50gb
[06:39] <SinnerNyx> Sorry if this is a duplicate, but my IRC client had bugged out: ok, I'm trying to run zerofree on a lubuntu VM I have going. "lsof / | awk '$4 ~ /[0-9].*w/'" shows rsyslogd and init as the only processes using the root filesystem, after I run "telinit 1"
[06:40] <SinnerNyx> However sending a kill -TERM or kill -QUIT signal to rsyslogd just makes it restart... I also tried /etc/init.d/rsyslog stop, with no success.
[06:40] <samtodd> uh oh, I might've deleted everything.
[06:41] <Casteris> That's a problem
[06:42] <digitalshield336> hey guys, I need some direction. Anyone think they can help me out?
[06:42] <bekks> digitalshield336: "top left" sounds like a good direction.
[06:42] <SinnerNyx> digitalshield336: Can I recommend "Life of Pi"
[06:43] <digitalshield336> top left?
[06:43] <bekks> digitalshield336: Thats a valid direction, IMHO.
[06:43] <digitalshield336> hahaha
[06:43] <digitalshield336> nice
[06:43] <SinnerNyx> digitalshield336: channel humour. Don't ask to ask, just ask your question, and if someone can they will help.
[06:43] <digitalshield336> ok
[06:44] <ObrienDave> samtodd, if you have not applied the changes yet, use the UNDO
[06:45] <digitalshield336> here’s the deal. I’m hacking a linux vm machine and CANNOT figure out how to get the shadow file.  I’ve got the user name and pw for another user on the machine, but cannot copy the shadow file over anything, ftp, smb, ssh.  I don’t know what else to do, I can’t get a command shell either….
[06:45] <samtodd> I clicked revert but its not doing anything
[06:46] <ObrienDave> just cancel
[06:46] <Casteris> Why would we help you hack someone...
[06:46] <Casteris> But that I can help you anyway
[06:46] <digitalshield336> it’s my own vm
[06:46] <digitalshield336> practice
[06:46] <Casteris> Not*
[06:46] <bekks> digitalshield336: For hacking, you are on the wrong network.
[06:46] <Casteris> White hat then
[06:47] <digitalshield336> yes
[06:47] <samtodd> In file explorer it says "unable to access "250 GB Volume" No object for d-bus interface
[06:48] <digitalshield336> i figured maybe one of you dudes might be a guru
[06:48] <digitalshield336> ;-)
[06:48] <SinnerNyx> digitalshield336: maybe this helps? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recovering-deleted-etcshadow-password-file.html
[06:48] <kastan> hey community does anyone know how to stream your computer screen to your samsung smart tv
[06:49] <ObrienDave> samtodd, does gparted still show the NTFS partition?
[06:49] <SinnerNyx> In rsyslogd's man pages it says that sending kill -QUIT -TERM or -INT to the rsyslogd process will cause it to die. I'm guessing init is restarting it automatically. Is there some way to stop init from doing so?
[06:49] <digitalshield336> Sinner, I would but I can’t get a shell
[06:49] <samtodd> what is gparted?
[06:49] <SinnerNyx> digitalshield336: not even in recovery mode?
[06:49] <SinnerNyx> samtodd: it's a partition management program.
[06:50] <ObrienDave> samtodd, at the bottom does it show pending operations? the program your looking at the partitions with
[06:50] <samtodd> I closed it
[06:50] <ObrienDave> did you apply the changes or just close it?
[06:51] <samtodd> I hit quit
[06:51] <samtodd> It's not that big of a deal.
[06:51] <samtodd> gparted comfirms I screwed up
[06:52] <ObrienDave> you might have gotten lucky, fire up the installer again and get to "something else" again
[06:52] <samtodd> k
[06:53] <samtodd> there is no more ntfs file system.
[06:53] <samtodd> there is ext4 185gb, and unallocated 47gb
[06:53] <samtodd> 3.1gb used on the ext4
[06:56] <ObrienDave> 3.1GB is just about right for a new install of Ubuntu
[06:56] <ObrienDave> damn
[06:57] <samtodd> I don't think it ever did install though.
[06:57] <samtodd> If it did it was super quick
[06:57] <ObrienDave> should take about 20 minutes from DVD
[06:59] <samtodd> Would restarting my system do anything?
[07:02] <ObrienDave> thinking
[07:04] <samtodd> I lost all the important data with the other hard drive yesterday. Everything that might be lost right now can be replaced.
[07:04] <ObrienDave> you sure?
[07:04] <samtodd> yeah
[07:05] <samtodd> Where does a complete newbie go for linux info. Like linux for dummies
[07:05] <ObrienDave> then give it a go, if it doesn't boot, you'll have to use the DVD to install from stratch anyway
[07:06] <ObrienDave> samtodd, you're in the BEST place for that right now
[07:06] <fishflaps> eat me
[07:07] <Casteris> I hate seafood
[07:07] <samtodd> I don't even know where to start with the command line. Or what I need it for.
[07:08] <Arahael> samtodd: Don't worry about it then.
[07:08] <Arahael> samtodd: However, if you want a comprehensive understanding of the system, the command line will be needed.
[07:09] <Arahael> samtodd: This applies to windows and mac os x as well.
[07:09] <ObrienDave> samtodd, you'll pick it up little by little
[07:09] <fishflaps> you on drugs
[07:11] <samtodd> Alright I'm going to reboot and see if this thing is installed.
[07:11] <ObrienDave> ok, we'll be here
[07:11] <fishflaps> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[07:11] <Casteris> Good luck
[07:11] <samtodd> Thank ObrienDave
[07:12] <samtodd> before I go...
[07:12] <samtodd> I have ubuntu 13.04. should I get the newest version?
[07:12] <ObrienDave> mmight as well
[07:13] <samtodd> Does that work like an upgrade? or is a reinstall?
[07:13] <ObrienDave> i would go for the full ISO install
[07:13] <star_prone> Hi
[07:13] <samtodd> So Again I need to be booted from my hard drive to burn it to a disk
[07:14] <ObrienDave> samtodd, you can install 13.04 now, and then upgrade once we get it working
[07:15] <Tom2014> Hello. I'm installing Ubuntu Server in Virtualbox and for about 15 minutes it stucks on 83%. Is it OK?
[07:15] <chrirc> hi...a quick question...in directory paths...if we type  ~/usr/share/... what does the ~ mean?
[07:15] <Tom2014> I spent 256MB RAM for this virtual machine.
[07:15] <ObrienDave> samtodd, no, since you already lost the NTFS, we'll overwrite the entire drive
[07:16] <Casteris> Please wait while we connect you to a Linux specialist!
[07:16] <bekks> Tom2014: you're better off using 1GB at least
[07:16] <loganlee> hello my brothers
[07:16] <star_prone> I'm having the following problem: I have connected a monitor through an HDMI cable to my laptop. everything worked fine but after the laptop entered in standby mode, upon getting it back and running the monitor was showing the message "no signal input"
[07:16] <ObrienDave> chrirc, ~ means from the root directory
[07:17] <loganlee> nonono
[07:17] <star_prone> I have restarted the laptop but the problem persists
[07:17] <loganlee> it means home directory
[07:17] <chrirc> ok...thank you....
[07:17] <loganlee> chrirc, no no no it means your home directory not root
[07:17] <star_prone> does anyone knows if this might be a software problem or a hardware problem
[07:18] <ObrienDave> but /usr/share is not under your home directory
[07:19] <chrirc> thats why i asksed.....i want to clarify if ~ means root or home directory
[07:19] <ObrienDave> ~ means home, i stand corrected
[07:21] <chrirc> ok....thanks
[07:21] <ObrienDave> so, your example is not a valid path on my drive
[07:22] <bekks> chrirc: Please dont use ... in every post.
[07:30] <Casteris> Goodnight all
[07:35] <helmut_> hi
[07:36] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[07:42] <SinnerNyx> In rsyslogd's man pages it says that sending kill -QUIT -TERM or -INT to the rsyslogd process will cause it to die. I'm guessing init is restarting it automatically. Is there some way to stop init from doing so?
[07:59] <rymate1234> why does hexchat do this in ubuntu? http://i.imgur.com/D0De6tc.png
[07:59] <rymate1234> it doesnt do it in windows iirc
[08:00] <puzzola> j/ ubuntu-it
[08:00] <puzzola> sorry
[08:01] <t4> hey, after installing linux mint I lost my windows on GRUB and BootRepair seems to have failed getting it back. What can I do? http://paste2.org/y4MLFwcy
[08:01] <ObrienDave> rymate1234, umm, do what?
[08:02] <thonza> after 9h suspend computer wake up on freeze login screen.
[08:02] <Ben64> t4: you'll have to check with the mint support channel for that. #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[08:02] <rymate1234> ObrienDave, the window title appears to use two lines
[08:02] <rymate1234> rather than the standard one line
[08:02] <t4> Ben64: I've had the same problem with Ubuntu and Xubuntu and I thought this would be a general issue
[08:03] <Ben64> t4: but you're not running ubuntu or xubuntu, so it's a mint issue
[08:03] <ObrienDave> rymate1234, it could be the font size you're using
[08:04] <rymate1234> im using the ubuntu defaults
[08:06] <rymate1234> obiwandk, i fixed it
[08:06] <rymate1234> copying over my hexchat settings from linux added a newline to my server names
[08:06] <ObrienDave> rymate1234, hmm, no clue, i'm on Xubuntu. I tried switching list side, window size to minimum, still get one line for title
[08:07] <rymate1234> whoops wrong ping
[08:07] <rymate1234> ObrienDave, i fixed it - copying over my hexchat settings from windows added a newline to my server names
[08:07] <rymate1234> im guessing an encoding issue
[08:08] <ObrienDave> ok, good to know and remember, thanks
[08:08] <ObrienDave> ah, probably because windows uses CR + LF at the end of each line
[08:09] <ObrienDave> Linux only uses LF
[08:09] <rymate1234> ah
[08:38] <TBDragon> hi every1 , i just wondering is it possible to change from eOS to Ubuntu without re-installing ?!
[08:39] <TBDragon> like deleting all eOS packages and the desktop theme etc... is that work ?!
[08:39] <bekks> TBDragon: Yes, there is no way.
[08:40] <TBDragon> bekks: how ??
[08:41] <ObrienDave> TBDragon, bekks means you MUST re-install
[08:43] <TBDragon> ObrienDave: i see , cuz it will be hard for me to re-download and install most the programs i work with :(
[08:43] <TBDragon> is it possible to have a backup for some packages and programs and restore them after re-install ?!
[08:44] <trijntje> dpkg --get-selections
[08:44] <fwedom> i've got a server with a french provider who have left french as the default language when i'm ssh'd in
[08:45] <fwedom> what's the easiest way to change it?
[08:45] <trijntje> If eOS is based on debian, and even then you will install a lot of stuf you dont need
[08:46] <rymate1234> how do i install the various themes avaliable in xubuntu without installing xubuntu?
[08:47] <fwedom> export LC_ALL=C
[08:53] <live> hello everybody
[08:54] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[08:54] <Yakisoba-San> hi
[08:56] <darkxploit> hello.. i have been able to set up port forwarding on port 5000 on my virtual box which is on NAT. Now when i ssh on the localhost with port 5000, it works succesfully. Now i have port forward on 80 [guest] and 6000[host port], i can telnet over localhost on port 6000..  but how i do render the site accessible on my pc.. thnks.. pleaseeee help me
[08:57] <darkxploit> the site is running on the vm
[08:57] <darkxploit> both ubuntu
[08:57] <Sec> You can always bridge it and get over port forwarding
[08:58] <darkxploit> Sec, i need to do it on NAT mode.. i can
[08:58] <tbdragon> does any1 try a good backup tool for apps and dpkg ?
[08:58] <bekks> !backup | tbdragon
[08:58] <darkxploit> tbdragon, no idea
[09:08] <apb1963> tbdragon: Also take a look at aptik for packages, and "Back In Time" which is an rsync GUI front-end
[09:19] <vagvaf> hello guys, i'm trying to connect a windows mobile device to ubuntu. it has a usb and a serial port. i tried with the usb one but i don't know what's going on withActiveSync, i also tried to connect with the serial port using a serial-to-usb adapter with no luck. any ideas?
[09:31] <plm671> h
[09:31] <plm671> h
[09:31] <pschmitt> Yo, when booting my PC via WOL it reboots instead of shutting down. Is that a BIOS issue? Should I change my WOL settings?
[09:32] <koturk> you mean it reboots instead of starting up?
[09:33] <pschmitt> no, WOL works as expected ie. it starts up when I send the magic packet, but afterwards I have to shutdown it twice
[09:33] <pschmitt> I can my PC but then when I do a shutdown -h now it reboots instead of halting
[09:34] <koturk> thats not a wol issue
[09:34] <cynicallemon> pschmitt, try a shutdown -hP
[09:35] <koturk> unless you think its being woken up with wol as soon as its shutdown
[09:35] <plm671> 0
[09:35] <plm671> 0
[09:35] <pschmitt> koturk: how can I determine this?
[09:35] <pschmitt> with -hP its the same
[09:36] <koturk> where are you sending the packet from? your router?
[09:37] <pschmitt> my raspberry pi
[09:37] <plm671> hola
[09:38] <koturk> well unplug the device you use to send the wol packet, then shutdown your machine locally, and see if it turns back on.
[09:38] <pschmitt> okay I'll try that
[09:43] <leeyaa> hello
[09:43] <leeyaa> what is the best method to detect if os is ubuntu ?
[09:43] <leeyaa> with bash
[09:43] <bekks> lsb_release -sd
[09:45] <leeyaa> bekks: is that reliable enough? im writing a script to detect if os is ubuntu or centos
[09:47] <high_fiver> pschmitt, you want to use -P not -h
[09:47] <high_fiver> pschmitt, -h     Requests that the system be either halted or powered off after it has been brought down, with the choice as to which left up to the system.
[09:49] <high_fiver> pschmitt, you could also use $ sudo poweroff
[09:49] <pschmitt> high_fiver: I thought of that, but with poweroff my system stays powered on
[09:49] <pschmitt> it stop everythig but it still is "on"
[09:51] <high_fiver> leeyaa, lsb_release - print distribution-specific information - read the man
[09:52] <high_fiver> how do you get the channel bot to print man page info
[09:52] <pschmitt> high_fiver: same behavior when issuing a shutdown -P
[09:52] <high_fiver> pschmitt, are you executing the command as yourself or sudo?
[09:53] <pschmitt> sudo
[09:53] <mp7> hi
[09:55] <high_fiver> pschmitt, $ sudo halt
[09:56] <unkn-error> when I Visit a webpage, using firefox, chromium, opera developer, renqonk, etc. where is the browser chache stored? Like all the pictures, texts from the website etc? Is it somewhere in /home/username/something?
[09:57] <high_fiver> unkn-error, ~/.cache
[09:59] <unkn-error> high_fiver: is this the same for the flash plugin and webm / html5 also? I mean, If I watch on youtube, that movie will be stored in ~/.chache?
[09:59] <high_fiver> unkn-error, erm not sure, let me check
[09:59] <plm671> leogrey a
[10:00] <plm671> leogrey a
[10:00] <plm671> leogrey a
[10:00] <unkn-error> oky
[10:04] <high_fiver> unkn-error, Google Chrome has a folder MediaCache
[10:06] <high_fiver> unkn-error, yeah looks like it does
[10:07] <high_fiver> unkn-error, in Cached (same dir as Media Cache)
[10:08] <unkn-error> thank you high_fiver I was curious if they are saved in /home/username or in /tmp, as /home is encrypted and /tmp not
[10:08] <high_fiver> unkn-error, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7373/where-are-stored-the-youtube-videos-cache-in-google-chrome
[10:09] <unkn-error> high_fiver: http://superuser.com/questions/235535/in-google-chrome-on-linux-where-is-the-flv-if-not-in-tmp
[10:10] <sveta> plm671: hi.
[10:10] <zubuntu> hi
[10:10] <zubuntu> when will the new icons be available ?
[10:10] <unkn-error> in this two links " /tmp " is in the discussion
[10:11] <unkn-error> so hm :)
[10:11] <sveta> zubuntu: "the new icons"? please clarify. I would look it up for you then.
[10:11] <unkn-error> dose anyone know what is the difference between an Generic Kernel and the RealTime/Low Latency one?
[10:12] <cfhowlett> unkn-error RT kernel is used for heavy duty music recording/editing
[10:13] <high_fiver> unkn-error, the links say that firefox used /tmp and chome/chromium use .cache (roughly speaking, only glanced)
[10:13] <unkn-error> do I need RT kernel (it is a must) for converting videos from propretary .MP4 to free gpl format like .ogg(vorbis) or to .webm?
[10:13] <cfhowlett> unkn-error you do not
[10:14] <high_fiver> when are the freaking ubuntu touch icons going to be made available is what I want to know!!
[10:15] <cfhowlett> !touch | high_fiver
[10:16] <unkn-error> high_fiver: maybe there is some email address to developers somewhere, to write an email to them, maybe they will answer
[10:17] <unkn-error> cfhowlett: is there some speed improvements with RT versus Generic, regarding photography apps like Krita / Darktable / Gimp etc?
[10:17] <cfhowlett> unkn-error none that I know of.  lots of ram and a quality GPU would help in that regard
[10:18] <unkn-error> thank you for help cfhowlett , high_fiver !
[10:18] <high_fiver> not a pressing issue, I can patiently wait
[10:18] <cfhowlett> unkn-error but you might want to join #ubuntustudio or even install the the US video/photo metapackages
[10:18] <high_fiver> unkn-error, np
[10:19] <unkn-error> what is US video/photo metapackages?
[10:19] <cfhowlett> !studio|unkn-error
[10:19] <high_fiver> my charger hasn't just broken!!
[10:20] <high_fiver> *screwing*
[10:20] <unkn-error> ohhh okay, so I will search "ubuntu studio" in synaptic
[10:20] <cfhowlett> unkn-error nope/
[10:20] <cfhowlett> unkn-error wait 1
[10:22] <cfhowlett> unkn-error search for ubuntustudio*      or use the terminal.  sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-video
[10:22] <unkn-error> cfhowlett: I will need only the photography stuff, not all stuff from ubuntu-stdio, so I guess the meta package is ubuntustudio-photography
[10:22] <cfhowlett> unkn-error verifying now - wait 1
[10:24] <cfhowlett> unkn-error sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-graphics
[10:32] <Lee_Cruise> hungry
[10:32] <cfhowlett> !ot|Lee_Cruise
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> Looks like Trusty finally nailed it :-)
[10:34] <Lee_Cruise> #ubuntu:How to set proxy
[10:35] <cfhowlett> !proxy | Lee_Cruise
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> Lee_Cruise: for apt-get you need to set it in /etc/apt/apt.conf as well
[10:35] <Fudge> how can I stop low graphics mode from coing up in trusty. I cant choose the options it has
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: if you run: sudo lshw -C display ,do you see an Intel and an Nvidia GPU?
[10:36] <Lee_Cruise> However, apt.conf not take effect
[10:36] <Fudge> ActionParsnip:  its an i5 46070k I think so is Intel
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Lee_Cruise: can you pastebin ypur apt.conf file please
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: no Nvidia GPU in the system too?
[10:37] <Lee_Cruise> My English is very bad, there are Chinese people do?
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> !cn
[10:37] <cfhowlett> Lee_Cruise 1.3 billion chinese as I recall
[10:38] <Fudge> nah ActionParsnip  just the onboard video,        product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[10:38] <cfhowlett> !kylin | Lee_Cruise
[10:38] <Fudge> im in precise at moment chrooted
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: is the system fully updated?
[10:38] <Fudge> yeah mate, actually I jsut isntalled it today
[10:39] <Fudge> was working fine, installed some packages for my dev environment etc and upon reboot had low graphics mode
[10:39] <Lee_Cruise> Thank you, no kylin
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: the only 3 suggestions I have is make an xorg.conf file, try the xorg edgers ppa update ppa (less fresh more stable) or the xorg edgers ppa itself (experimental)
[10:40] <Fudge> ActionParsnip:  xorg.log gives errors about udev
[10:40] <Fudge> thanks mate, either or just re-install it again loL
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: or try Trusty instead, the newer drivers and xorg may help
[10:40] <Fudge> ActionParsnip:  the problem is with trusty, I have fallen back to a precise install
[10:40] <Fudge> 3.13 kernel
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: or try the mainline kernel, the newer kernel may have a newer driver which may help
[10:42] <Fudge> ActionParsnip:  look at this xorg log failure http://paste.ubuntu.com/7750764/
[10:42] <unkn-error> cfhowlett: thank you, installing, regarding video conversion I have found an awesome program but it has a stupid name: " transmageddon " and sadly it is not by default in ubuntu studio, but I used with a big succes when converting stuff to theora and webm
[10:42] <cfhowlett> unkn-error happy2help
[10:43] <cfhowlett> !info transmageddon
[10:44] <mmsteak> This isnt the right channel, but ive got a story to tell. My best friends mom just came onto me
[10:44] <Fudge> mmsteak:  yes, it's not the right channel
[10:44] <cfhowlett> mmsteak leave.  now.
[10:44] <mmsteak> Lol nvm
[10:44] <tmx1> guys i need to change the password to a win7 box, and im readin it can be done with the ubuntu live cd
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: tried the boot option: nomodeset
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> tmx1: it can yes
[10:44] <tmx1> i got the latest ubuntu ISO, but what do i do to make the liveCD?
[10:44] <Fudge> ActionParsnip:  so at the gub menu just type that?
[10:45] <tmx1> never done this before
[10:45] <Fudge> grub
[10:45] <cfhowlett> tmx1 it can/could.  search the net for a tutorial
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> tmx1: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14369/change-or-reset-windows-password-from-a-ubuntu-live-cd/
[10:45] <steve__> hi!
[10:46] <Fudge> tmx1:  chntpw I think the package is
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> tmx1: took me what.... 20 seconds to find.....
[10:46] <tmx1> hmm i was there
[10:46] <Fudge> very good wiki articles on it
[10:46] <Fudge> ActionParsnip:  ill go give it a try, thanks
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> tmx1: its also on the ultimate boot cd. Dead handy
[10:46] <MichaelLong> tmx1, systemrecuecd could do it aswell
[10:47] <steve__> In 10 years of trying irc channels, I've never gotten jack for help. bye.
[10:47] <ObrienDave> coe back when you can't stay so long LOL
[10:47] <ObrienDave> *come
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> Steve__: i believe i've helped you some in the past....
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> Oh well.
[10:48] <cfhowlett> he came, he vented, he left.  Next.
[10:49] <aron_ha|> i just downloaded an image from the website and was wondering if you would consider donations in cryptocurrency?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> Tmx1: the passwords in Windows are in a jetdirect database, not very secure at all.
[10:49] <histo> aron_ha|: what?
[10:49] <ObrienDave> you can always throw me a bitcoin or two LOL
[10:49] <cfhowlett> aron_ha| I don't remember seeing a crypto-contribute but that is an interesting idea
[10:49] <histo> tmx1: install chntpw
[10:50] <histo> tmx1: and use that
[10:50] <tmx1> im getting that ultimate Boot CD now
[10:50] <histo> tmx1: you can do it from ubuntu
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> Tmx1: its a great toolkit. Handy to have. Just set the password to blank and it'll be fine
[10:50] <histo> tmx1: sudo apt-get install chntpw
[10:50] <tmx1> i will try both i guess
[10:51] <histo> tmx1: no need just use one
[10:51] <tmx1> i swear i havent had to reset a local admin password in over 12 years
[10:51] <tmx1> crazy
[10:51] <spotma> sorry, me again
[10:51] <MichaelLong> tmx1, you always using the same genereally eh? :P
[10:52] <spotma> how would i go about completely removing the default language of a dedicated server i have?
[10:52] <spotma> then installing my prefered locale?
[10:52] <histo> !locale | spotma
[10:54] <histo> spotma: check out the second link
[10:54] <tmx1> thing is in this latest Ubuntu ISO, it's not the same as in that DOC
[10:55] <tmx1> I dont see a System -> Administration
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> spotma: localepurge can be used.
[10:55] <spotma> locale gives me LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> tmx1: just install chntpw and use the guide from there.
[10:55] <Fudge> ActionParsnip:  no joy here never mind, ill reinstall it. install is only hours old anyway
[10:55] <tmx1> yes but install from where?
[10:56] <MichaelLong> a terminal?
[10:56] <tmx1> ive booted the Ubuntu ISO now
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> Tmx1: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install chntpw
[10:57] <histo> tmx1: in a terminal ^^^
[10:57] <histo> tmx1: ctrl+alt+t  to open one or use the shortcuts or dash to open terminal
[10:57] <tmx1> ahah
[10:58] <tmx1> nice
[11:00] <tmx1> cant find chntpw
[11:00] <tmx1> wth
[11:00] <tmx1> unable to locate package chntpw
[11:00] <histo> tmx1: did you sudo apt-get update?
[11:01] <tmx1> no
[11:01] <tmx1> doing now
[11:01] <tmx1> and done
[11:01] <tmx1> same thing
[11:01] <murlidhar> how to change wm theme? without changing the gtk theme ?
[11:02] <histo> murlidhar: which desktop?
[11:02] <murlidhar> histo: unity
[11:02] <ObrienDave> !info chntpw
[11:03] <kagumu> hello
[11:03] <histo> kagumu: hola
[11:03] <ObrienDave> tmx1, check your spelling, please
[11:04] <kagumu> histo, what's up ?
[11:04] <histo> ObrienDave: just needed to update first from livecd
[11:04] <histo> kagumu: not much
[11:04] <ObrienDave> k, gotcha
[11:04] <tmx1> lol its CORRECT
[11:04] <tmx1> word for word
[11:04] <ObrienDave> ya never know ;P
[11:04] <histo> tmx1: did it work after update?
[11:07] <Adzz> Hi All, I'm trying to find a guide on how to install Ubuntu 14.04 with FDE, anyone know where i can find it?
[11:07] <histo> Adzz: what's FDE?
[11:07] <Adzz> histo: Full disk encryption
[11:08] <cfhowlett> !encryption | Adzz
[11:08] <MichaelLong> tmx1, get yourself systemrescuecd. it has the same feature directly seletable from the boot-menu and it is persistent
[11:08] <histo> Adzz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto
[11:08] <Adzz> cfhowlett:  I don't want home directory encryption, i want full disk encryption
[11:09] <tmx1> UBCD worked better
[11:09] <tmx1> just did it now
[11:09] <elv> Hello I need help to restore my GPT partition table. On windows i mistakenly deleted an ext4 partition. I managed to restore it with testdisk but it only showed up in PC/Intel not in GPT/UEFI. Now i can see the ext4 partition with a live cd, all files are ok but he windows partition is now missing and the disk is un bootable.
[11:09] <histo> tmx1: worked better how?
[11:09] <Adzz> histo: It says post 12.10 there's an option for FDE  - "Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation for security". But there's not that option for while im installing
[11:10] <histo> elv: isn't the partition table still at the end of the disk?
[11:10] <krisx> is it ok to use the new ubuntu with unity DE?
[11:11] <cfhowlett> krisx ???? default IS unity DE
[11:11] <histo> krisx: define okay?
[11:11] <krisx> yeah
[11:11] <elv> histo: don't now I think that now i have a mix of GPT/MBR but linux partition has taken the place of the windows one...
[11:11] <tmx1> anyways
[11:11] <tmx1> thnx for tips
[11:11] <krisx> I felt bad using unity
[11:12] <krisx> and changed to gnome
[11:12] <histo> elv: testdisk probably jsut recovered what it though was the begining and end of partitions for mbr disk.
[11:12] <histo> elv: what is the output of parted -l /dev/of/the/disk
[11:13] <elv> histo: Warning: /dev/sda contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables.  Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table.  Is this a GPT partition table? Yes/No?
[11:13] <histo> elv: tell it yes
[11:14] <elv> histo: if i answer yes  then it doesn't show my restored ext4 partion
[11:14] <cfhowlett> elv I've had this error.  removing my GPT left some kind of residuals.  I had to use the gpt to MBR conversion utility to finally kill it so I could install.
[11:14] <histo> elv: was the ext4 partition in the gpt table or msdos one?
[11:15] <sveta> krisx: Gnome is (or was) developed by GNU. I couldn't figure out whether they're still in charge of it.
[11:17] <elv> histo I had 4 partition 1)UEFI 2)MS reserved 3)Windows and 4)Linux. When i used testdisk the 4) deleted partition showed up only in PC/intel mode (not in GPT) but there it didn't showed the 2).
[11:17] <histo> elv: well record where the start and end are for the partition and then add it to the gpt table
[11:20] <histo> elv: or you can install the sleuthkit and mmls /dev/sdX
[11:22] <histo> elv: hrm.. just found a tool FixParts may be of help
[11:22] <histo> elv: http://www.rodsbooks.com/fixparts/
[11:22] <histo> there's a howot
[11:22] <histo> s/howot/howto/
[11:23] <elv> fixparts it's saying that only works with mbr
[11:26] <histo> elv: ahh just read that it can only remove stray gpt data not fix it. My bad. Well either way just get the start and end of the ext4 partition and add it to your partition table
[11:31] <guest2484> Question to OTR (Off-the-record): Should be the private key also very secure (like GnuPG) or doesn't it matter if another person have the key?
[11:31] <histo> guest2484: private key to what?
[11:33] <aron_ha|> i have no idea what u are referring to, but a private key should generally be private ...
[11:33] <guest2484> histo: So the OTR-private-key is like the GPG-private key?
[11:33] <histo> guest2484: do you mena the signature key?
[11:34] <histo> guest2484: never heard of off the record but from skimming http://archive09.linux.com/articles/48770  it's worth the read and should answer your questions
[11:53] <DadFoundMy> i am having trouble suspending to ram, can anyone help me trouble shoot?
[11:55] <histo> DadFoundMy: what sort of problems?
[11:56] <Amoz> probably freeze/crash and unable to resume, I suppose
[11:57] <Amoz> DadFoundMy, first of all it'd be great to have some more info about your computer hardware.
[11:58] <Amoz> also, have you tried this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[11:58] <histo> DadFoundMy: did you try the suggestions from ##linux yet?
[11:59] <knob> Good morning everyone.
[11:59] <knob> I would like to install outrec (http://sourceforge.net/projects/outrec/files/), yet I have no idea how to go about it.
[11:59] <knob> Once I download the files... what proceeds?
[12:00] <histo> !source | knob
[12:00] <histo> knob: sorry that factoid has changed,  Most source code you download will have instructions on installation.
[12:00] <knob> histo, I have never done this.
[12:00] <histo> knob: I suggest using checkinstall instead of the make install part as it will create a deb for you to install and easily remove.
[12:01] <knob> I downloaded the tar.gz   inside there are two directories... debian and src
[12:01] <eeee> first extract it, run tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz
[12:01] <Amoz> knob, why dont you install from ppa?
[12:01] <knob> The what?
[12:02] <eeee> knob: if you want to install from ppa run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:techm3/outrec
[12:03] <Amoz> it's only for ubuntu lucid
[12:03] <Amoz> better to just download the deb manually
[12:03] <Amoz> knob, I'd download it from here https://launchpad.net/~techm3/+archive/outrec/+files/outrecen_0.0.2-1_all.deb
[12:03] <knob> man... this is flying over my head.
[12:03] <knob> Ok
[12:03] <knob> So
[12:04] <Amoz> and then you just do $ sudo dpkg -i outrecen_0.0.2-1_all.deb
[12:04] <histo> knob: Don't they have build instructions on their site?  typically you unpack then you cd to the source's directory and ./configure && make && make install but I would substitute the make install with checkinstall to create your own deb
[12:04] <histo> !checkinstall | know
[12:05] <knob> OK ok... I downloaded.   I untared...
[12:06] <knob> I went into the  deb/
[12:06] <knob> Into   debian/      then do I run  ./config?
[12:06] <knob> ./configure?
[12:07] <eeee> i think you should cd to src folder
[12:07] <jask> [17:36] <jask> Hi all. Has anybody tried to make fonts look more like OS X fonts on the linux machine? I tried Infinality but that is more like blurry [17:36] <jask> I meant the thickness of fonts
[12:07] <knob> eeee, ok, I am in   src/      Yet,  ./configure does not run.         Errors out
[12:07] <knob> No such file or directory.
[12:08] <eeee> run make
[12:08] <rewbycraft> jask: HiDPI?
[12:08] <jask> rewbycraft: Oho, googling
[12:08] <Amoz> knob, unless you run ubuntu lucid I wouldn't bother with that old piece of software.
[12:08] <rewbycraft> jask: I believe OSX fonts are HiDPI.
[12:08] <knob> Amoz, ok... well... what I want is to record a YouTube audio
[12:08] <knob> I tried with Audacity
[12:08] <Amoz> knob, then alternatives should work right? try this one https://launchpad.net/~osmoma/+archive/audio-recorder
[12:09] <knob> yet, as almost everything, there are 20 more hoops to jump through before getting the thing to work.
[12:09] <eeee> knob:  you can use youtube-mp3.org
[12:09] <rewbycraft> knob: And audacity didn't work?
[12:09] <jask> rewbycraft: yeah, that
[12:09] <jask> rewbycraft: it's not possible in Ubuntu?
[12:09] <knob> eeee, yes... I know... yet I want to be able to record what I hear.  Youtube was an example.
[12:09] <jask> rewbycraft:  so I actually need that kind of display?
[12:09] <cfhowlett> knob download and save the video.  open in audacity = extract the audio.  export as .mp3
[12:09] <knob> rewbycraft, man, I loaded up Audacity, yet it's not recording what I hear.  It just flatlines
[12:09] <knob> Wow
[12:10] <Amoz> knob, did you set it to record from the actual sound card output?
[12:10] <Amoz> knob, http://askubuntu.com/questions/229352/how-to-record-output-to-speakers
[12:10] <rewbycraft> jask: The HiDPI is a font type. I'm not sure if it works right now. I don't have a HiDPI screen so I wouldn't benefit from it.
[12:10] <Amoz> knob, basically you should be able to do this: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:osmoma/audio-recorder
[12:10] <knob> Amoz, ok... back to pulseAudio... going to try that route now.   updating in a sec
[12:10] <Amoz> knob, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install audio-recorder
[12:11] <Amoz> knob, try audio-recorder first
[12:11] <knob> So... do I do what you said ^^^, or do I do it via the package manader thing?
[12:11] <knob> *manager?
[12:11] <rewbycraft> knob: Set audacity for the right input? (default input should work). Make sure you set the mic-volume in the audio-settings (click on the speaker icon in your unity panel -> settings) to base.
[12:11] <knob> *Ubuntu Software Center
[12:11] <rewbycraft> knob: I suspect your mic is muted.
[12:11] <Amoz> knob, ubuntu software center is just a frontend for the commands I gave you
[12:12] <knob> rewbycraft, checking tha tout now...
[12:12] <knob> If I open my sound settings, in the  Input tab, there is nothing.   It is greyed out (Like if I had no Input device)
[12:13] <rewbycraft> Erm... Knob, can you install pavucontrol and open "PulseAudio Volume Control" in the dash? It is usually a better program than the built in one.
[12:13] <knob> rewbycraft, installing right now.
[12:14] <knob> btw, thanks a ton everyone in this channel.  =)         I was just kinda frustrated 5 minutes ago
[12:14] <knob> Yet thanks for the help.  Very much appreciated :)
[12:14] <TJ-> knob: You can list all the sources and sinks using, at the terminal, "pactl list" - which allows us to review your system's config
[12:14] <rewbycraft> TJ-: You think it's not picking the sound card up?
[12:15] <TJ-> rewbycraft: I don't guess, I prefer to see actual data ... saves much time and confusion :)
[12:16] <knob> Ok, should I dump that into pastebin?
[12:17] <rewbycraft> TJ-: Fair deuce.
[12:18] <TJ-> knob: That would be very helpful. You can use the pastebinit utility to automate that kind of data capture by piping the output of a command to it, as in "pactl list | pastebinit" and then simply pasting the resulting hyperlink here for us
[12:18] <knob> Ok, did the  pactl list    : http://pastebin.com/vwxrp4bT
[12:18] <knob> TJ-, that is a nice utility.   Much better than copy/pasting
[12:19] <knob> Ok, pulseAudio is installed
[12:19] <cyford> how do i install linux tools on a custom kernel ?
[12:20] <rewbycraft> knob: Can you try opening the pulseaudio volume control app as I said and check the input tab?
[12:21] <knob> rewbycraft, OK got it.  Input tab I have
[12:21] <knob> Front Mic, Rear mic, Line in
[12:21] <pvt_petey> hi
[12:21] <knob> This is under he    "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"    device
[12:21] <rewbycraft> There is a speaker icon-button there. Make sure it *isn't* selected.
[12:21] <pvt_petey> I've got a macbook with no functioning boot from usb or superdrive and I want to install lubuntu
[12:21] <TJ-> knob: OK, that shows that you have two main input 'sources', one HDMI and one 'regular', but they are both 'SUSPENDED'. So you have the devices, you simply need to enable the Analog Stereo input
[12:21] <rewbycraft> And that the slider is on "Base"
[12:22] <pvt_petey> can I use virtual box as a lifeboat to install lubuntu and then another copy on the hard drive partition that I set up
[12:22] <knob> rewbycraft, "base" being 100% (0dB)   ?
[12:22] <knob> TJ-, hm.... ok ok.
[12:23] <rewbycraft> knob: Depends. Set it to 10% when you're recording external mixers and stuff. Set it to 100% when recording mics directly.
[12:23] <knob> Ok I see.
[12:24] <cfhowlett> pvt_petey you can
[12:24] <drake01> How do we open volume control settings from command line in ubuntu 12.04 ?
[12:24] <knob> drake01, try alsamixer?
[12:25] <knob> And in Audacity, do you suggest to have the microphone source as   "sysdefault" ?
[12:26] <rewbycraft> knob: Yes.
[12:27] <knob> Ok, I think now we're down to Audacity.      When I open the PulseAudio control panel, I see the "audio pulse slider" going up and down with the music
[12:27] <knob> So pulse audio does see what I'm playing in YouTube
[12:27] <rewbycraft> knob: Great! I'll make a screenshot with the audacity settings you'll want.
[12:28] <knob> Ok thanks man.
[12:28] <drake01> knob: that's one option. So I was using pavucontrol. For the microphone front-left and front-right volume doesn't obey the volume I set. It fluctuates from 40% to 120%
[12:28] <pvt_petey> cfhowlett how would I go about it  ?
[12:29] <rewbycraft> drake01: Skype?
[12:29] <rewbycraft> drake01: It likes to mess with it.
[12:30] <nispr0> hello installing linux atm going to dual boot. I am choosing where to install the bootloader now and I have already install windows. I have two disks one has windows 7 bootloader installed, should I install bootloadern on the same hardrive as windows bootloader or the other one?
[12:30] <rewbycraft> knob: http://imgur.com/brwX5C2
[12:30] <drake01> rewbycraft: google-hangout actually.
[12:30] <nispr0> maybe dosent matter?
[12:30] <rewbycraft> drake01: Ah. Those programs like to mess with your mic.
[12:30] <rewbycraft> nispr0: I'd say the windows drive.
[12:31] <rewbycraft> nispr0: But make a backup of the bootsector first!
[12:31] <nispr0> rewbycraft: that what I was thinking to
[12:32] <knob> rewbycraft, Ok.
[12:32] <nispr0> rewbycraft: I will go for that, thx
[12:32] <knob> I re-checked, and I think I'm still having mis-config over here.
[12:32] <rewbycraft> nispr0: You might be able to install the bootloader on the other drive. But you'll have to tell your bios to boot from the other drive.
[12:32] <knob> In PulseAudio, under the Input Devices tab, I have     Built-in Audio Analog Stereo.
[12:32] <knob> Let me take a screenshot... sec.
[12:32] <nispr0> rewbycraft: alright so it really dosen\t matter
[12:33] <nispr0> rewbycraft: I will never be using the windows bootloader anyways
[12:33] <rewbycraft> knob: If the audio is bad. Try turning down the mic volume in the pulseaudio volume control until the bar is about halfway.
[12:33] <drake01> rewbycraft: yeah but its annoying at the other end. I am able to hear what the other person's saying. but other person can't. Any way to solve it?
[12:33] <rewbycraft> nispr0: It really depends if your bios supports using other drives.
[12:33] <LonelyDanbo> I have a Coolermaster Storm Recon mouse, and the software for it that changes LED colors and adjustable DPI settings doesn't work properly under WINE. {it doesn't detect the mouse.} I'm having trouble finding search results. I may have found something for the LEDs alone, and it was my main concern, but so far it's not working. eg: "xset -led 3"
[12:33] <knob> rewbycraft, man, I still haven't gotten to that point.
[12:33] <knob> I still don't have audio in audacity
[12:33] <rewbycraft> knob: Can you post a screen shot of the same windows as I did?
[12:34] <knob> Man,. yes...
[12:34] <knob> Yet, when I select
[12:34] <cfhowlett> pvt_petey install vbox.  install the 32 bit ubuntu to your vbox.
[12:34] <knob> ughh. .. man.   Everything gets complicated. I can't take a screenshot of the open menu because the print screen button does not work with the open menu
[12:34] <knob> If I close the menu, then I can take the screenshot, yet the menu is closed.
[12:34] <knob> =\
[12:35] <rewbycraft> knob: Open audacity and pulseaudio volume control (the program I asked you to install) and make a screenshot of that.
[12:35] <rewbycraft> drake01: Is your mic muted?
[12:35] <eeee> knob: shutter is a great screenshot program btw
[12:35] <knob> ok... doing that
[12:36] <vagvaf> hello guys, i'm trying to connect a windows mobile device to ubuntu. it has a usb and a serial port. i tried with the usb one but i don't know what's going on withActiveSync, i also tried to connect with the serial port using a serial-to-usb adapter with no luck. any ideas?
[12:37] <knob> rewbycraft, http://imgur.com/CubQoUp
[12:38] <LonelyDanbo> hm...  /sys/class/leds is an empty folder. [xset led 3] doesn't change that. I'm looking for mouse settings elsewhere but...
[12:39] <rewbycraft> knob: Hmm... Lemme investigate a bit.
[12:40] <pvt_petey> cvhowlett done that, what about installing on a physical partition
[12:40] <knob> rewbycraft, ok... got it partially working!
[12:40] <rewbycraft> knob: Partially?
[12:41] <knob> I set Audacity to start recording.          once that is done, over in PulseAudio, the     "ALSA plug-in [audacity]" popped up
[12:41] <knob> Then, from the dropdown menu, I was able to select  "Monitor of Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
[12:41] <codecowboy> since updating via software update (never again!) I have no desktop after login. have googled etc and tried many suggestions but nothing is working. Anyone seen this problem and managed to resolve?
[12:41] <knob> Selected that, and now I see the waveforms over in audacity
[12:41] <knob> Wowza
[12:41] <rewbycraft> knob: Good. Can you check the configuration tab in Pulseaudio volume control? Tell me the setting for the built-in-audio.
[12:41] <knob> rewbycraft, and others.   Thanks you
[12:41] <knob> rewbycraft, checking now
[12:41] <rewbycraft> knob: The monitor is what your computer is outputting btw.
[12:42] <knob> rewbycraft, for   built-in audio, I have     Analog Stereo Duplic
[12:42] <knob> *Duplex
[12:42] <rewbycraft> knob: Hmm. That's the correct setting,.
[12:43] <cfhowlett> pvt_petey never done it myself, but ... https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fnoscooby.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F08%2F13%2Fclone-or-copy-a-virtualbox-hdd%2F
[12:43] <knob> I think it was the part about ALSA plug-in [audacity] appearing over in Pulse Audio (once Audacity started recording).
[12:44] <knob> Hey, another question.   Is there a way to make Pulse Audio the default audio thingy?    Or once installed it already is?
[12:44] <rewbycraft> knob: Which pulseaudio program?
[12:45] <knob> Once I installed Pulse Audio, I went over to Applications --> Sound & Video --> Pulse Audio
[12:45] <knob> Then I got the PulseAudio control panel.
[12:45] <knob> Will PulseAudio be "controlling" the audio by default from now on?
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> knob  you mean the default media player?
[12:46] <rewbycraft> knob: No you can't. Pulseaudio was always controlling your audio. It's just that I asked you to install another config panel for it. The sound menu in the unity panel controls pulseaudio just as well.
[12:46] <osse> I installed 14.04 beta which I have now fully updated. In the launcher I have a shortcut named "Install RELEASE". If I start it then I see a program akin to the livecd installer. Can I remove the launcher and forget about? Or should I perhaps go through it?
[12:46] <knob> Mm... Well, maybe I don't even know what PulseAudio does still.   Haha... sorry guys.   I just thought that PulseAudio "supplants" the regular audio controls in the latest ubuntu
[12:46] <knob> rewbycraft, ahh ok ok
[12:47] <knob> MonkeyDust, never mind... I am still a n00b.  :D
[12:47] <rewbycraft> knob: Want a little background on pulseaudio and linux audio in general?
[12:48] <trijntje> osse: why did you install the beta if 14.04 is already released?
[12:48] <knob> rewbycraft, heck yeah man!
[12:49] <osse> trijntje: I installed it before the release
[12:49] <LonelyDanbo> hm... xset led settings are for keyboard leds. I guess that explains why it's not effecting my mouse
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> keyboard != mouse
[12:52] <LonelyDanbo> I don't know how to accomplish this. my search results aren't giving me answers to my questions.
[12:52] <rewbycraft> knob: Okay. Linux has a thing called ALSA which handles the actual audio cards and allows for basic volume control and such. IIRC it only allows one program to use the audio card (I might be wrong on that point). So things like pulseaudio and Jack were invented. Pulseaudio is an audioserver on top of alsa (it also overrides the alsa settings with it's own). A program such as flashplayer, vlc or audacity can connect to pulseaudio and send a
[12:52] <rewbycraft> udio to it. Pulseaudio will then mix the audio together and send it to alsa (you can even say what card to send it to). Recording applications can ask pulseaudio to send them the audio from the audio card (input signal) or the audio that's being played over the speakers currently (a monitor signal).
[12:52] <rewbycraft> Hmm... Achievement get: Line limit
[12:54] <knob> I like PulseAudio more now.          Seems to make life easier.
[12:54] <knob> :)
[12:55] <rewbycraft> knob: Can you try the solution here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/67451/pulseaudio-does-not-recognize-laptop-microphone (reinstall pavucontrol after pulseaudio though)
[12:55] <rewbycraft> knob: It makes life a lot easier... When it works.
[12:55] <rewbycraft> knob: It usually works. But when it doesn't, it's a pain to get working again.
[12:56] <MonkeyDust> rewbycraft  sounds like computers in general
[12:57] <rewbycraft> knob: I like pulseaudio (or pulse for short) because I can tell program A to use my built-in card and program B to use my usb-card. Very handy.
[12:58] <rewbycraft> MonkeyDust: Electronics in general
[12:59] <runasas> ...
[12:59] <runasas> hi
[13:00] <rewbycraft> o/ runasas
[13:00] <runasas> hello?
[13:00] <rewbycraft> Is there something runasas?
[13:00] <cfhowlett> runasas ask your ubuntu questions
[13:00] <runasas> ???
[13:01] <rewbycraft> Runasas: Read the channel topic.
[13:01] <runasas> sorry i am German
[13:01] <cfhowlett> !de| runasas
[13:01] <runasas> byebye
[13:01] <cfhowlett> runasas tschuss
[13:02] <LonelyDanbo> I find trying to figure out how to do things in Linux very discouraging, and I also suck handling discouragement.
[13:02] <rewbycraft> Lonely: Depends on what you wanna do. Somethings are hard, others are easy.
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> LonelyDanbo  learning something new can be frustrating, especially if you're used to something completely different
[13:03] <cfhowlett> LonelyDanbo sounds like you're unwilling to learn
[13:03] <MonkeyDust> LonelyDanbo  "easy" depends on how skilled you are and on how used you are to something else
[13:03] <rewbycraft> LonelyDanbo: Once you learn how linux ticks, most things are easy.
[13:03] <LonelyDanbo> m. I guess considering I didn't decide to learn a whole lot about it because I wasn't interesting in being a sysadmin, it's making things that should be easy more difficult.
[13:04] <rewbycraft> LonelyDanbo: You don't need to be a sysadmin. But it's good to know a little bit about what programs run your system and the general linux filesystem structure.
[13:04] <MonkeyDust> LonelyDanbo  90% of servers worlwide run linux
[13:05] <cfhowlett> LonelyDanbo one step at a time.  choose ONE thing you wish to do.  learn how.  move on.
[13:05] <LonelyDanbo> yeah but is there a intro linux manual LITE?
[13:05] <b100s> hi2all
[13:05] <cfhowlett> !manual|LonelyDanbo
[13:06] <cfhowlett> b100s ask your ubuntu question
[13:06] <MonkeyDust> LonelyDanbo  how did you learn windows or mac? simply by using it? same goes for linux
[13:06] <DadFoundMy> sorry before i was trouble shooting how i cant resume from  suspend, but my internet went out (china internet sucks),  anyone still here to help?
[13:06] <rewbycraft> MonkeyDust: Fun fact: My first time using linux was over an ssh connection to my webhost (it provided ssh access). It was a lot of learning (bash can be kinda hard to learn), but when I then wanted to try it for myself. I then found it to be very easy, because I already knew a lot about how linux functioned.
[13:06] <LonelyDanbo> huh. ok. thanks. I'll see if it fits the bill.
[13:07]  * cfhowlett completely agrees with DadFoundMy re: China internet
[13:07] <b100s> what will be better to install to my old HP laptop with next hardware: core 2 duo T7500 2.2GHz, 4Gb RAM ? Ubuntu with unity or lubuntu?
[13:07] <DadFoundMy> cfhowlett: atleast your probably used to it. this is my first week as an exchange student
[13:07] <rewbycraft> b100s: LUbuntu
[13:07] <cfhowlett> b100s lubuntu is optimized for older and slower hardware
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> b100s  install ubuntu, then lxde on top of it and try both
[13:08] <cfhowlett> DadFoundMy LOL.   you will feel pain.  I'm in beijing.
[13:09] <LonelyDanbo> well... while it used to be harder to use Windows for many things, I think over time the more common activities have become much easier to do. even with Linux. I remember like 20 years ago there was no fancy auto-installing GUI with web browser.
[13:09] <cfhowlett> LonelyDanbo muscle memory.  you weren't BORN knowing windows.  this is just a different OS.
[13:10] <svetlana> LonelyDanbo:  mosaic was that hard to install in 1994?
[13:10] <rewbycraft> LonelyDanbo: True. Things become easier as you learn the software.
[13:10] <rewbycraft> LonelyDanbo: And as it matures.
[13:11] <LonelyDanbo> it's not muscle memory. 20 years ago I installed Linux and didn't know what to type at the command prompt and got rid of it. now there's stuff with web browsers. you don't need to know anything to browser the internet on Linux.
[13:11] <Energy> my dick is free who want take my dick in the mouth ?
[13:11] <cfhowlett> !ops | Energy
[13:12] <rewbycraft> LonelyDanbo: Not entirely correct. You need to be able to move the mouse and type.
[13:12] <Fusl> !ops Energy
[13:12] <popey> Energy: that kinda of chat isn't welcome here.
[13:12] <Energy> op me !
[13:12] <cfhowlett> Energy play elsewhere
[13:13] <LonelyDanbo> the mouse is pretty intuitive, but both are pretty easy compared to being dropped down into the Linux command prompt.
[13:13] <cfhowlett> LonelyDanbo why are you using the command prompt and not the gui?
[13:13] <theadmin> LonelyDanbo: There are usually ways to do what the commands do with the graphical interface, it's just easier for people here to give a command rather than to explain a long tricky-clicky path via the GUI
[13:13] <LonelyDanbo> I didn't know about any GUI 20 years ago.
[13:13] <rewbycraft> LonelyDanbo: I don't mind being dropped into a console, I use one every day.
[13:14] <cfhowlett> LonelyDanbo default desktop ubuntu runs the unity gui.  works for the majority of users.
[13:14] <jayjee> rewbycraft, b100s, would you also suggest Xubuntu on that configuration ?
[13:14] <Energy> i want play with a vagina !
[13:14] <rewbycraft> jayjee: Why not. Should work.
[13:14] <cfhowlett> !ops ENERGY
[13:14] <cfhowlett> popey thanks
[13:15] <jayjee> okay rewbycraft .
[13:15] <rewbycraft> cfhowlett: I prefer AwesomeWM to unity,
[13:16] <LonelyDanbo> I'm saying the reason it's easier is not the result of me learning over time, but of it becoming more streamlined over time. Ubuntu now is almost as widely accessible as Windows, but it didn't used to be.
[13:16] <cfhowlett> LonelyDanbo please continue this discussion in #ubuntu-offotpic so we can maintain tech support in this channel.  thanks.
[13:17] <rewbycraft> LonelyDanbo: See you in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[13:17] <theadmin> LonelyDanbo: Sure, but Ubuntu is younger than Windows. Windows was created way back when, 1980s? Ubuntu only exists since 2004.
[13:18] <LonelyDanbo> I guess.
[13:20] <DadFoundMy> noob question, but does xubuntu come with a partition tool?
[13:21] <cfhowlett> DadFoundMy on the iso, yes.
[13:21] <cfhowlett> gparted
[13:21] <DadFoundMy> cfhowlett: so i have to put the disk in?
[13:22] <theadmin> DadFoundMy: You have to boot from the DVD to use it, it doesn't install along with the rest of the distribution because editing an online drive doesn't work too well
[13:22] <cfhowlett> DadFoundMy or install gparted to your running system but you should NOT partition a live system
[13:23] <DadFoundMy> I'll just boot it from the live CD. I think my resume issues are coming from my swap partition not being double the size of my RAM
[13:23] <popey> DadFoundMy: it doesnt need to be
[13:24] <theadmin> DadFoundMy: Doesn't have to be. Technically, it only need be as large as your RAM, double-size is often too much these days
[13:24] <theadmin> Especially considering many machines have ~16GB RAM these days
[13:25] <DadFoundMy> damn no lead than. My swap partition is only 4gb and my ram is 4gb
[13:25] <theadmin> DadFoundMy: Are you having issues with hibernation?
[13:25] <Firefly67> hi, when I log in remotely to my work machine, the terminal becomes dead if I am inactive for more than a few minutes. Is there any way to keep it alive for a longer time?
[13:25] <DadFoundMy> theadmin: i am having issues resuming from suspend
[13:26] <popey> Firefly67: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/keep-your-linux-ssh-session-from-disconnecting/
[13:26] <theadmin> DadFoundMy: Oh, that doesn't have anything to do with swap for sure, suspend goes to RAM
[13:26] <theadmin> DadFoundMy: I am not quite sure what the issue may be, though
[13:26] <DadFoundMy> damn, any sugestions on where to start troubleshooting?
[13:26] <Firefly67> thanks popey - it is something I can do from my laptop, it isn't something set on the remote machine?
[13:26] <popey> Firefly67: also, mosh is good for keeping connections alive
[13:27] <pvt_petey> this sucks
[13:27] <popey> DadFoundMy: yes, we have a guide for troubleshooting resume issues https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[13:27] <DadFoundMy> popey: thanks
[13:28] <b100s> what about xubuntu ?
[13:28] <rewbycraft> b100s: What about it?
[13:28] <b100s> is it better then lubuntu on laptop with 2.2 GHz ?
[13:28] <b100s> and 4Gb RAM
[13:28] <b100s> for use it for coding and develop. or no matter?
[13:28] <theadmin> b100s: That device can run regular Ubuntu without issues, really
[13:28] <DadFoundMy> b100s: i prefer xubuntu to lubuntu, but lubuntu performance is probably slightly better
[13:28] <b100s> and i can install ubuntu as well with unity?
[13:28] <theadmin> b100s: Sure
[13:28] <rewbycraft> b100s: In my experience lubuntu is lighter and quicker.
[13:29] <DadFoundMy> yep should be able to
[13:29] <rewbycraft> b100s: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop <-- installs unity on lubuntu
[13:29] <b100s> so lubuntu and ubuntu diff is unity<->lxfc
[13:30] <DadFoundMy> yeah the only real difference
[13:30] <b100s> what about xubuntu? what diff?
[13:30] <bladewolf> Hello?
[13:30] <DadFoundMy> b100s: xfce4
[13:30] <theadmin> b100s: Different desktop
[13:30] <cfhowlett> b100s xfce but not optimized as lubuntu is.
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> bladewolf  it works we see you
[13:30] <b100s> so, the same only face
[13:30] <bladewolf> How do I SSH into a webserver?
[13:30] <rewbycraft> bladewolf: ssh <username>@<server ip>
[13:30] <theadmin> bladewolf: ssh username@hostname.tld
[13:30] <popey> bladewolf: you don't, you ssh to an ssh server ☻
[13:30] <DadFoundMy> xfce has slightly higher RAM usage, i just prefer it cuz is werkz
[13:31] <fAz4> how can i delete 10 lines after matched pattern ?
[13:31] <MonkeyDust> fAz4  with which text editor?
[13:31] <bladewolf> rewbycraft: Thanks, but it's a shared hosting. I need to SSH into the filestorage for my website on it
[13:31] <fAz4> MonkeyDust:  with sed
[13:32] <theadmin> bladewolf: Again, use the syntax above. You may need to look through the control panel to get username/password/host though if it's a shared hosting
[13:32] <theadmin> Because they are often not obvious
[13:32] <MonkeyDust> fAz4  i guess the channel #bash is what you want
[13:32] <rewbycraft> bladewolf: What are you trying to do? Transfer files or get console access?
[13:32] <bladewolf> rewbycraft: Get console access
[13:33] <theadmin> bladewolf: If you just want to upload files via SFTP, you can use the "Connect to server" feature in the ubuntu's filemanager
[13:33] <rewbycraft> bladewolf: the ssh command me and theadmin posted will do it.
[13:33] <rewbycraft> bladewolf: For console access that is.
[13:35] <bladewolf> When I try to SSH in, the console just goes onto a newline and does nothing
[13:35] <b100s> rewbycraft, and how can i do back from ubuntu to lubuntu? sudo apt-get install lubuntu-deskto  ?
[13:35] <theadmin> b100s: Yah
[13:35] <bladewolf> Why is that?
[13:35] <theadmin> b100s: Well, you won't need to "apt-get install" it if you already installed lubuntu from Ubuntu, just select it when you log in
[13:35] <theadmin> bladewolf: Means it's trying to connect but times out, I suppose
[13:35] <rewbycraft> b100s: They'll be both installed. You can simply click the (l)ubuntu logo in the login screen and click which one you want.
[13:36] <bladewolf> theadmin: How would I get the host to ssh in?
[13:36] <b100s> nice, thx. how can i set it by default?
[13:36] <b100s> rewbycraft,
[13:36] <rewbycraft> b100s: It'll remember your last choice.
[13:36] <theadmin> bladewolf: Well, you'd have to look through your hosting's control panel for that data.
[13:36] <b100s> so smart :)
[13:37] <b100s> looks like in feature it will be OS for blond girls
[13:37] <b100s> future *
[13:37] <theadmin> bladewolf: USUALLY, but far from always, it's your domain -- so for example if it's bladewolf.example.org and your hosting username is bladewolf, you could go ssh bladewolf@bladewolf.example.org
[13:37] <rewbycraft> b100s: Lightdm is the login program used by both ubuntu and lubuntu. It is fairly smart.
[13:38] <rewbycraft> theadmin: I used bluehost for a while and I had to use the box's general domain to login.
[13:38] <theadmin> rewbycraft: Yes, that happens too.
[13:38] <bladewolf> theadmin: I'm using HourB to host. Where would I find the SSH info?
[13:39] <theadmin> bladewolf: I have no idea, honestly, I never worked with them. If you can't find it, contact them and they should help you.
[13:39] <bladewolf> Ah found it
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> b100s  look up Cathy Malmrose from ZaReason, she's blonde
[13:40] <zeretiuz> I have a problem with wierd characters in ubuntu and esp irssi. I get a bunch of
[13:41] <zeretiuz> what seems to be unicoe chars
[13:41] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: The chars are invisible for me.
[13:41] <zeretiuz> whan peeps log on
[13:41] <zeretiuz> hmm.. is it an terminal setting maybe?
[13:41] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: ? Do you mean the login sound?
[13:42] <zeretiuz> reby> no... I just get chars I o not care about
[13:42] <zeretiuz> I can take a ss
[13:43] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: Can you get us a screenshot then?
[13:43] <zeretiuz> rew> yeah, I am on it
[13:44] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: Why do you type rew> ?
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> zeretiuz  type rew, then hit tab to complete the name
[13:46] <zeretiuz> here it is... check the white one out... http://postimg.org/image/b2yq03n8t/1804ac83/
[13:47] <rewbycraft> It's a character that's not recognized. Did you do weird stuff with the fonts?
[13:47] <zeretiuz> yeah, sorry about the irecting... rev <tab> it will be from now on...
[13:47] <Thatguy> How do I boot ubuntu with no GUI or anything full terminal
[13:47] <MonkeyDust> !text | Thatguy
[13:48] <Thatguy> thanks
[13:48] <zeretiuz> hmm... not sure if I did wierd stuff
[13:48] <zeretiuz> I changed themes, and made the font smaller... still I did not change fonts...
[13:49] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: Usually channel names like that are because somebody uses an international char (like say chinese or korean) and you don't have the font for it.
[13:49] <jayjee> rewbycraft, in this command : sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop <- from where do you get the word 'ubuntu-desktop'.  I'm looking for names of others.
[13:50] <zeretiuz> rewbycraft: what shoul I do to include it... I suppose it is an unicode thinggy_
[13:50] <rewbycraft> Realistically, unless you know what it is supposed to be, you can't.
[13:50] <MonkeyDust> jayjee  use apt-get search desktop|less   <-- without sudo
[13:50] <zeretiuz> It is not a gamebreaker.. it is just very annoying
[13:51] <MonkeyDust> jayjee  use apt-cache search desktop|less   <-- without sudo
[13:51] <jayjee> MonkeyDust, Thanks.
[13:52] <Thatguy> ive added text to the linux line in grub but still boots GUI
[13:52] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: Sorry dude. It's like seeing a strange language. You need to figure out what it is first before you can get someone to translate it.
[13:52] <zeretiuz> that evil character is on every (or alteast 99%) of all who logs out... might it be my irssi theme_
[13:52] <zeretiuz> |?
[13:53] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: Maybe your theme. Might also be some kind of return char.
[13:55] <zeretiuz> revering theme change... brb
[13:57] <soee> do you know what plugin do i have to install to get Save for Web item in gimp File menu ?
[13:58] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: And? Any lick?
[13:59] <rewbycraft> *luck
[13:59] <zeretiuz> rewbycraft: meh no, I changed theme to default, but still the same thing
[14:00] <rewbycraft> Can you copy one of those lines to say gedit and see what char it's supposed to be?
[14:00] <Blocker> Hi all. I was in the process of upgrading to a supported version of ubuntu with the command "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and got the fllowing error (I think my connection dropped out). I got the error "Errors were encountered while processing:
[14:00] <Blocker>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nux-tools_2.14.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:00] <zeretiuz> could it be that I use a se and an en keyb layout?
[14:00] <Blocker> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" .If I use the same command will it start from where it stopped or start again from the beginning?
[14:01] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: Could be. I only use the en layout so can't comment on it.
[14:01] <rewbycraft> Blocker: Can you pastebin the entire log?
[14:02] <zeretiuz> rewbycraft: will try to just use en... if that helps... en is great for coing... but it lacks åäö :)
[14:04] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: En international?
[14:05] <cyford> my cpu shows turbo at 1.6,   where it should be 2.7ghz
[14:05] <cyford> how do i get i7 turbo booster to work
[14:06] <fisuk> hi guys, has anyone tried VA-API encoding on tahr? gst-inspect-1.0 doesn't seem to list the required encoder vaapiencode_h264, so i guess the ubuntu gstreamer vaapi-lib has been compiled without encoding support?
[14:06] <Blocker> rewbycraft: did that work?
[14:06] <cfhowlett> !trusty|fisuk
[14:06] <rewbycraft> Blocker: Did what work?
[14:07] <cfhowlett> fisuk see #ubuntu+1 for support
[14:07] <cfhowlett> fisuk doh!  no that's worng.  sorry
[14:07] <rewbycraft> cfhowlett: A little behind m8?
[14:07] <Blocker> rewbycraft: I worked it out. Thanks..
[14:07] <zeretiuz> oh blooy hell, I removed the se keyboard layout an that annoying char dissappeared
[14:07] <jay__> hey guys. i keep getting prompt by some "keyring" program when i open a web browser. how can i uninstall this annoying key ring thing?
[14:08] <rewbycraft> Blocker: Ah, so it's fixed?
[14:08] <Amoz> zeretiuz, dumma svenska ;)
[14:08] <jay__> i looked though my programs but couldn't find one with that name
[14:08] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: Fixed?
[14:08] <zeretiuz> Amoz: indeed...
[14:08] <zeretiuz> rewbycraft: yeah, thanks mate
[14:08] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: No problem m8.
[14:08] <cfhowlett> rewbycraft LTS only so 12.04 for a few more weeks
[14:08] <Blocker> rewbycraft: I worked out pastebin (Well, it's a start :)
[14:09] <rewbycraft> Blocker: Still wanting to fix the upgrade error then?
[14:09] <Blocker> rewbycraft: Yes please
[14:11] <rewbycraft> Blocker: It seems there's a conflict between nux-tools and libnux-0.9-common.
[14:11] <zeretiuz> thanks for helping me out... esp. rewbycraft have a nice saturday (or whatever zone you are in)... keep it calm, and see you later
[14:12] <rewbycraft> zeretiuz: It's saturday for me. See you later too!
[14:12] <Blocker> rewbycraft: Do you have any suggestions?
[14:13] <rewbycraft> Blocker: Can you run sudo apt-get remove --no-remove nux-tools and pastebin the output?
[14:14] <Guest15488> does anyone here run ubuntu in vmware? any idea how to view devices like scd0 and stuff. I linked my physical dvd drive and ran "wodim --devices" with no luck. is it something to do with the scsi driver
[14:18] <rewbycraft> Blocker: What ubuntu version are you using?
[14:19] <rewbycraft> Blocker: I mean. What version were you upgrading from and to?
[14:20] <AcidRain2012> ubuntu 12.04 LTS dolphin file browser as sudo is complaining that trash has reached maximum capacity. yet there is nothing in  'trash://' and my normal user's trashcan is empty as well
[14:20] <AcidRain2012> where is this trash bin located?
[14:20] <Blocker> 11.04 Natty
[14:21] <rewbycraft> Blocker: From 11.04 to what?
[14:21] <compdoc> AcidRain2012, there can be a few
[14:22] <AcidRain2012> compdoc, show me man? it shouldnt be doing this as the root drive has 40+gig free. makes me think i just deleted alot more than what i should have
[14:24] <Blocker> rewbycraft: 11.04 Natty to not sure. I was given a sources.list which I am unable to open. I was told that it would jump a version.
[14:24] <SchrodingersScat> !info ncdu | AcidRain2012, can also look for .Trash or .Trash-1000 or some other digits.
[14:24] <AcidRain2012> thx
[14:25]  * cfhowlett was unaware that .trash HAD a maximum capacity ...
[14:26] <Blocker> rewbycraft: Precise frm the information in the sources.list
[14:27] <nispr0> &wc
[14:27] <AcidRain2012> u would think a trash folder would be easy to find as sudo :)
[14:29] <dkorras> hi all, i wonder if anyone could please help me. i have been attempting this all day! I have a Tp-Link TD-W8970 3G router and on my ubuntu machine i have bonding enabled )mode 1 - active-backup) but the minute the LAN is plugged in and the wlan joins the wifi there is NO connectiong. as soon as i disconnect the eth0 the wlan works. i have concluded that the tp link is not allowing wlan and eth
[14:29] <dkorras> to connect from the same mac
[14:30] <iKillCypher> ;_;
[14:30] <Guest92662> this is the 2nd time my laptop has some funny virus again
[14:30] <carlos_> Hello
[14:31] <cowbacon> Guest15488: virus on ubuntu? wow you must really be working hard to get those viruses xD
[14:35] <angezanetti> hey - i just made a dist upgrade from 1310 to 14.04
[14:35] <cowbacon> congratulations
[14:36] <angezanetti> But now unity can't boot, i tried to check unity_support_test zhich returns
[14:36] <angezanetti> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[14:36] <angezanetti> Error: GLX is not available on the system
[14:36] <angezanetti> cowbacon: yeah uh ;D
[14:38] <angezanetti> that was a shitty upgrade, i get plenty of errors :|
[14:38] <jayjee> histo, wondering if someone here could help me with this problem.
[14:38] <jayjee> when i try to USB boot on MAC
[14:39] <jayjee> i get this error: Kernel path: /live/vmlinuz | ramdisc path: /live/initrd.lz  boot parameters:  Loading Linux kernel... done unaligned pointer 0x2. Aborted.
[14:39] <jayjee> I found no solutions for this by googling.
[14:39] <k1l> angezanetti: make sure the video card driver is working
[14:40] <angezanetti> k1l: it's not, i got a shitty resolution here
[14:40] <jayjee> I have a 512MB flash drive and i'm trying to load puppy linux or damn samll linux on it and boot it on MAC systems.
[14:40] <usr13> angezanetti: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:40] <angezanetti> usr13: yep done that. Seems ok
[14:40] <k1l> angezanetti: then install the right driver from the ubuntu repo
[14:41] <usr13> !info ubuntu-drivers-common | angezanetti
[14:41] <angezanetti> yeah i made the auto install and reboot
[14:41] <usr13> angezanetti: Also see xrandr
[14:41] <angezanetti> i did not fix the pb
[14:41] <usr13> !info xrandr | angezanetti
[14:41] <usr13> wow
[14:41] <cowbacon> jayjee: how did you create the bootable usb thumb drive?
[14:42] <usr13> !xrandr | angezanetti
[14:42] <angezanetti> usr13: xrandr returns me only low reso
[14:42] <jay__> i'm trying to understand how to read a "man".  i know that "[" and "]" mean optional. but i can't find anywhere online that says what "{" and "}" mean. can someone help me with what they mean?\
[14:42] <cowbacon> jay__: did you try man man?
[14:43] <jayjee> cowbacon, i have used 'MAC USB linux loader'
[14:43] <jay__> yes cowbacon
[14:43] <usr13> angezanetti: uname -r
[14:43] <jay__> no explanation of the "{" "}" tho
[14:43] <angezanetti> usr13: here is the dumby http://pastebin.com/Uq1AFcnC
[14:43] <angezanetti> 3.8.0-19-generic
[14:43] <cowbacon> jayjee: try creating a virtual machine with ubuntu in for example virtual box. then create the usb drive with the dd command and see if that makes a difference
[14:44] <k1l> angezanetti: that is not a 14.04 kernel
[14:44] <usr13> angezanetti: "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default"
[14:44] <angezanetti> oh shitm really ?
[14:44] <usr13> angezanetti: ubuntu-drivers-common
[14:45] <k1l> angezanetti: what does "lsb_release -a" give you for ubuntu version?
[14:46] <Blocker> rewbycraft: Natty to Precise
[14:46] <angezanetti> No LSB modules are available.
[14:46] <angezanetti> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[14:46] <angezanetti> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[14:46] <angezanetti> Release:	14.04
[14:46] <angezanetti> Codename:	trusty
[14:46] <k1l> angezanetti: make sure "linux-image-generic" is installed
[14:47] <angezanetti> k1l: not its not
[14:47] <k1l> usr13: i got to go now. but i think he got some old kernel installed or choosen in grub so the right kernel with the driver is not working
[14:47] <k1l> angezanetti: then install that package
[14:47] <usr13> angezanetti: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  #Did not do anything?
[14:47] <angezanetti> 195Mo
[14:47] <angezanetti> usr13: no
[14:47] <angezanetti> k1l: i am installing
[14:47] <usr13> angezanetti: Ok, follow k1l's advise. good.
[14:48] <jayjee> cowbacon, sure, would give a try. The problem i'm facing with that is, virtualbox with ubuntu doesn't even show my USB.
[14:48] <angezanetti> the upgrade did not install the kernel uh ?
[14:48] <angezanetti> Zeird
[14:48] <angezanetti> Weird
[14:48] <jayjee> cowbacon, while parallels with windows does show it. I wil formatt it and see if it works.
[14:48] <jayjee> format USB*
[14:48] <jay__> does anyone know what these { } braces mean in a man page?
[14:49] <jay__> google hasn't helped me in quest for understanding how to read a man page
[14:49] <TJ-> jayjee: That error "unaligned pointer" comes from GRUB (function get_header_from_pointer() ) in GRUB's memory-manager. It looks like a memory alignment issue, since 0x02 is too small. Are you trying to start a 32-bit GRUB on an 64-bit EFI system?
[14:49] <usr13> angezanetti: I agree....
[14:50] <angezanetti> usr13: the install process returns more than 10 errors so...
[14:50] <angezanetti> i do not have any choice in grub btw
[14:51]  * darko I am not fraud!
[14:52] <svetlana> jay__: hi.
[14:52] <svetlana> jay__: give me a minute please.
[14:52] <usr13> angezanetti: tail -1 /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:52] <jay__> svetlana, thanks
[14:53] <angezanetti> usr13: only get prompt LTS
[14:53] <angezanetti> brb - reboot
[14:53] <usr13> angezanetti: Really?  Try again after reboot.  That is strange.
[14:54] <TJ-> jay__: which man-page, specifically?
[14:55] <usr13> angezanetti: file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:55] <jay__> well i'm trying to understand how to read any man page so i can learn a command i don't know when i need to (and surely i'll need to). right now, i was looking at the man page for apt-get
[14:55] <jayjee> TJ-, Im trying again. Give me a few mins. I believe it is 64 bit only.
[14:55] <usr13> angezanetti: Oh "Promt=LTS"  Yes that's what it *should* say.  It's ok
[14:56] <eeee> jayjee: i dont know if this would work but you could create a .vmdk (?) file that represents the physical usb
[14:56] <eeee> i've tried it with the actual hdd and it works, vbox can see the physical hdd
[14:56] <angezanetti> usr13: okm this is wayyy better with the new kernel
[14:57] <eeee> i assume it would work for another device
[14:57] <angezanetti> i got a nice resolution and wifi seems to works again :P
[14:57] <usr13> jayjee: Which man page?
[14:57] <svetlana> jay__: do you have an example for me please?
[14:57] <eeee> jayjee: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#rawdisk
[14:57] <Glorfindel> whats a good ipod compatible media player? Rythmbox isn't working with my Nano
[14:57] <usr13> angezanetti: Yea, it's fixed.  (Not sure why it missed that but...)
[14:57] <TJ-> jay__: Are you looking at the SYNOPSIS? In that case the reason for the { is, I suspect, to protect the following "=" from being interpreted by the document formatting system (groff) the man-pages are written in. Without the "{" it'd see "[=" in the source which, I think, means something special to groff
[14:57] <svetlana> jay__: "man 7 man-pages" has some detail, but I couldn't find anything about {}
[14:58] <cfhowlett> !ipod| glor
[14:58] <Glorfindel> thanks :)
[14:58] <jay__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7751677/ i'm trying to understand this svetlana
[14:59] <jayjee> eeee, Thank you, checking.
[14:59] <jay__> hmmm interesting TJ is that for sure?
[15:00] <jay__> in these cases there are no = signs
[15:00] <jay__> the { } braces are used a lot
[15:00] <svetlana> eeee: hi.
[15:00] <eeee> svetlana: hi
[15:00] <jay__> i have to understand them to understand how to use commands correctly
[15:00] <svetlana> jay__: {A|B} means A or B.
[15:00] <svetlana> eeee: we talked earlier today.
[15:01] <eeee> about the cron?
[15:01] <svetlana> yes.
[15:01] <eeee> ah yes i woke up and figured it out on the toilet
[15:01] <svetlana> did it start working the way you intended?
[15:01] <eeee> in the morning today :D toilet helps
[15:01] <eeee> yeah
[15:01] <svetlana> woo. mornings are awesome.
[15:01] <usr13> jayjee: It is just an attempt to give an explaination of "pkg", (what it means for you to replace "pkg" with in a real situation).
[15:02] <TJ-> jay__:  I'm checking but I've written man-pages and it rings a bell. The other uses have a "-" which would be "[-" without the "{" in there
[15:02] <jay__> svetlana, i'm not sure that's always the case. sometimes they are encompassing a bunch of commands. they are inside [ ] these
[15:02] <jay__>  {update | upgrade |
[15:02] <jay__>                dselect-upgrade | dist-upgrade |
[15:02] <jay__>                install pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}]...  |
[15:02] <jay__>                remove pkg...  | purge pkg...  |
[15:02] <jay__>                source pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}]...  |
[15:02] <usr13> TJ-: Do you agree?
[15:02] <jay__>                build-dep pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}]...  |
[15:02] <unopaste> jay__ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[15:02] <eeee> it's just 1 line
[15:02] <usr13> jay__: Don't do that.  We all have the same man pages
[15:02] <eeee> if [ ! $(pgrep -f "gedit /home/e") ]; then
[15:02] <eeee> gnome-terminal -e "aria2c -c -d /home/e http://....."
[15:02] <eeee> fi
[15:03] <eeee> (replace gedit /home/e with the aria2c -c -d /home/e command)
[15:03] <TJ-> jay__: "man 7 groff" .... "/^CONTROL_CHARACTERS" ... "[      The opening bracket is only special in groff escape sequences; there it is used to introduce a long escape  name  or  long escape argument.  Otherwise, it is non-special, e.g. in macro calls."
[15:03] <eeee> (i was testing it with gedit had no internet connection
[15:03] <svetlana> jay__: then you can use one of those bunch of commands I guess.
[15:03] <pitto> HI ppl! is it possible to disable the "guest session" from the login scrren but keep it enabled if started from a logged in user?
[15:04] <jay__> how about this svetlana source pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}]...
[15:05] <cowbacon> jayjee: you need the virtual box extension pack if you want to see and use a USB, after that's installed go to VM (rightclick guest), settings -> USB and add it to the VM
[15:05] <svetlana> eeee: perfect, it looks readable. you are using the "aria2c -c -d ..." string twice -- may want to move it somewhere up, in a variable, and just use the variable name twice.
[15:05] <eeee> svetlana: sounds good
[15:05] <usr13> jay__: It's just trying to explain what to replace pkg with in a real situation.
[15:05] <svetlana> jay__: "pkg =version" or "pkg /that_release" ?
[15:05] <TJ-> jay__: here, for example, is a fragment of that "man 8 apt-get" man-page: "  [{=\fIpkg_version_number\fR\ |\ /\fItarget_release\fR}]...   "
[15:06] <eeee> i might add if you want to make sure it was started by cron, i noticed the cron entry has /bin/bash aria2c ...
[15:06] <svetlana> TJ-: I think jay__ means the man page output, not its source markup.
[15:06] <jay__> jesus that looks confusing TJ
[15:06] <TJ-> jay__: So, the take from that is that you as a user can ignore the {} and read the content as it weren't there :)
[15:06] <svetlana> jay__: I think some folks misunderstood your question.
[15:06] <carlos__> Xubuntu
[15:07] <svetlana> carlos__: hi. yes?
[15:07] <jay__> what's the = mean in this case TJ?
[15:07] <svetlana> jay__: a part of the command you're meant to type.
[15:07] <TJ-> jay__: So you *read* it as optional + either, e.g. optionally "=pkg_version_number" OR "/target_release"
[15:07] <eeee> *you'd want
[15:07] <svetlana> jay__: <svetlana> jay__: "pkg =version" or "pkg /that_release" ?
[15:07] <TJ-> jay__: It is used by apt-get to identify 'pinning' of the package
[15:08] <jayjee> cowbacon,  why does it say this when installing extension?
[15:08] <Beldar> eeee, Preface answers with the users nick please, thanks.
[15:08] <jayjee> You are about to install a VirtualBox extension pack. Extension packs complement the functionality of VirtualBox and can contain system level software that could be potentially harmful to your system
[15:08] <TJ-> jay__: e.g. "apt-get install somepackage=2.1-0ubuntu1" or "apt-get install somepackage/precise"
[15:08] <jayjee> potentially harmful to virtualbox or my actual laptop OS ?
[15:09] <svetlana> laptop.
[15:09] <cfhowlett> jayjee vbox - but I've never heard a report of the additions causing damage
[15:09] <jayjee> huh damn!!
[15:09] <jay__> hmmm thanks for the explanation TJ but why did you exclude the whole "\fI"?
[15:09] <cowbacon> jayjee: its probably just a standard message to protect them from liability. i havent installed it in a while but i remember that you need to agree to their terms or usage and what not
[15:09] <TJ-> jay__: Because that is part of the *source code* of the man-page, it doesn't get shown to the user when you do "man 8 apt-get"
[15:09] <svetlana> jayjee: 'can' does not mean 'will'. if you trust the author of the extension, it should be fine. extensions have access to a lot of thins and it is normal.
[15:10] <dkordic> I have few guest-* entries in /etc/passwd.  What is their purpose?
[15:10] <jayjee> cowbacon, svetlana : I see will proceed with installation, will give a try.
[15:10] <svetlana> TJ-, jay__: please discuss it with eachother about whether you care about the source markup of the man page or only about its output. I think the latter.
[15:11] <jay__> how do i know to ignore characters while reading a man page TJ?
[15:11] <TJ-> jay__: experience :)
[15:11] <svetlana> you don't.
[15:11] <jay__> omg lol
[15:11] <jay__> sounds like trail and error fun times?
[15:12] <svetlana> when it says "foo {bar|baz}" and you interpret it as "foo, bar or baz", you're not ignoring them. you're /reading/ them.
[15:12] <svetlana> there's nothing to try, it is all very clear.
[15:12] <Beldar> dkordic, Pastebin the whole text with your inquiry to make it easier fore helpers.
[15:12] <TJ-> jay__: That's what F/OSS and 'community support' is all about - you can explore and learn infinitely with Ubuntu
[15:12] <usr13> jay__: Some things are complicated and there is not much you can do about it.  They are complicated to explain and takes some experience to lean / understand.
[15:12] <factotum> Does anyone know if "trusty-backports" is enabled by default? My son was playing around and things are a little...uh...wonky.
[15:12] <svetlana> however your point is nice. the {||...|...} thing should be documented somewhere.
[15:13] <usr13> jay__: But the good news;  The learning curve is very steep.  (Many of the concepts are very similar.)
[15:14] <usr13> factotum: no
[15:14] <factotum> thank you
[15:14] <TJ-> jay__: it's documented in the groff project, for example: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2003-07/msg00084.html
[15:14] <TJ-> jay__: So, the 'official' explanation is actually they're for "Required alternatives"
[15:15] <svetlana> jay__: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8716047/is-there-a-specification-for-a-man-pages-synopsis-section
[15:15] <dkordic> Beldar: Sorry :), http://paste.ubuntu.com/7751749/
[15:15] <svetlana> jay__: thanks for asking; they mention [|] sort of thing there. {}s are not very mentioned.
[15:16] <jay__> ok cool i think i got it for the most part. [{=\fIpkg_version_number\fR\ |\ /\fItarget_release\fR}] but in this example the things like \/\fI confuse me cause i don't know why they are there
[15:16] <usr13> It is all summed up in the signature line; "I don't see why some people even HAVE cars." (cars add un-due complication to our lives :)
[15:16] <svetlana> TJ-: thank you. where should it be documented, now?
[15:16] <svetlana> usr13: they do. (I do not have one.)
[15:16] <usr13> good for you
[15:17] <Beldar> dkordic, Not sure myself, just commented in the grain, the channel help needs some evidence to help. ;)
[15:17] <svetlana> jay__: they are a part of man page source markup. you won't see them usually.
[15:17] <factotum> second question: would a dead battery (old, dead cells, doesnt hold a charge etc) be a factor in a laptop not waking out of sleep?
[15:17] <jay__> thanks for the links. TJ, it seems like they are just used sometimes because the [ ] can't be because of syntax
[15:18] <usr13> factotum: Should not be a factor
[15:18] <Beldar> factotum, While plugged into ac/dc right?
[15:18] <factotum> I have a laptop hp probook 4520s, intel graphics.  I can wake it to a darkened screen that allows me to type my password while plugged in. Problem is the screen goes black and just hangs there.
[15:18] <usr13> factotum: sleep  and  hybernate  are sometimes problematic on some devices.
[15:19] <factotum> usr13: I'll have to figure out where the log file is, seems to be a new problem introduced with 14.04.
[15:19] <factotum> Having the backports enabled might have gummed something up as well
[15:20] <sbaitso> how do i change type of keyboard? i got a laptop (macbook) keyboard and a regular big desktop keyboard seems to be the default
[15:20] <usr13> factotum: Mahy find what you need in /var/log/syslog
[15:20] <factotum> wonder if I can revert those updates....man apt here I come I guess lol
[15:20] <jay__> ok cool. thanks for the explanation guys! :) and i get the joke around cars on that page now usr13 thanks hehe
[15:20] <usr13> !keyboard | sbaitso
[15:20] <factotum> usr13: thank you again for all your help
[15:20] <usr13> NP
[15:21] <Beldar> sbaitso, keyboard app has a  layout setting
[15:21] <sbaitso> yeah, im at system preferences, usr13. it will let me change keyboard region but not type
[15:21] <jay__> this one is probably simple but what does the / mean in /target_release
[15:22] <usr13> jay__: and/or
[15:22] <usr13> jay__: either/or
[15:22] <usr13> jay__: Just saying that the package name may contain release number etc.
[15:23] <usr13> jay__: Sometimes, (not often), there are more than one.
[15:23] <sugoruyo> hey folks, I'm looking for a way to install 14.04 on an encrypted partition, with encrypted swap and leave room for a Windows install too, on a UEFI machine
[15:23] <sugoruyo> does anyone know any good docs I could follow?
[15:23] <usr13> jay__: Sometimes, (not often), there are more than one.... and you would need to specify.
[15:24] <jay__> ok. i though it meant that you had to tell it exactly what directory to get the target release from
[15:24] <usr13> !encryption | sugoruyo
[15:25] <eeee> svetlana: it works as intended, but i had to add a " " to the variable "$c" or pgrep wouldn't work
[15:25] <usr13> jay__: It's just a way of letting you know that you need to have a complete package name.  apt-cache search <package-name> is helpful for that.
[15:25] <eeee> c="gedit /home/e"
[15:25] <eeee> if [ ! $(pgrep -f "$c") ]; then
[15:25] <oetker201> Hi.
[15:26] <sugoruyo> usr13 I'm talking about partition-level encryption
[15:27] <jay__> for install pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}]  would you type apt-get install gnome=someversionhere?
[15:28] <usr13> sugoruyo: I don't know about "installing on" encrypted partitions.  I think you would just create new partitions to install on.  Right?
[15:28] <svetlana> jay__: I would, yes.
[15:29] <usr13> sugoruyo: Just doing google searches;  https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-dm-crypt-to-create-an-encrypted-volume-on-an-ubuntu-vps
[15:29] <sbaitso> pushing the keyboard icon here: http://i.imgur.com/QDq8d5R.png lets you see this graphic: http://i.imgur.com/19kOs9Z.png of the current keyboard type and mapping, but not change it
[15:30] <sbaitso> you can also add keyboard shortcuts...
[15:30] <jay__> i'm basically asking if you include the = sign or / sign and if there is a space or not between the package name (gnome for example) and the optional part. like e.g. gnome somepackage or gnome=somepackage.    gnome /targetrelease or gnome /tragetrelease
[15:30] <usr13> sbaitso: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2014/05/28/how-to-install-ubuntu-14-04-on-encrypted-mbr-partitions/
[15:31] <Guest13814> i want to use gpt on new disk install what is recomendations for partition setup so grub mount doesn't spin when probing for os ?
[15:31] <usr13> sugoruyo: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2014/05/28/how-to-install-ubuntu-14-04-on-encrypted-mbr-partitions/
[15:31] <sbaitso> usr13, how to install on a encrypted partition??
[15:31] <usr13> sbaitso: Sorry, wrong nick
[15:32] <usr13> jay__: no
[15:32] <usr13> jay__: Just space between package names
[15:32] <jay__> usr13, so it would be apt-get install gnome target_release
[15:33] <jay__> is that correct?
[15:33] <usr13> jay__: i.e.  sudo apt-get install package-name second-package third-package
[15:33] <usr13> jay__: Package names do not have spaces
[15:34] <jay__> not for the package names usr13 for specifying the particular package.
[15:34] <usr13> jay__: It is just package-names  Simply names with not spaces in the name(s).
[15:34] <sugoruyo> usr13 not what I'm looking for, what I'm trying to do is set up a LUKS encrypted volume and have LVM volumes in it for / and swap, being able to boot from it on a UEFI
[15:34] <sugoruyo> *UEFI machine
[15:35] <sugoruyo> it's similar to what Ubuntu 14.04 does when I tell it to use the whole disk + encryption + lvm only I don't want to go whole disk
[15:35] <usr13> sugoruyo: https://www.google.com/search?q=install+Ubuntu+on+LUKS+encrypted+volume+with+LVM&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[15:36] <mp7> good
[15:36] <jay__> i mean if you want a particular version of a package. let's say i want an old flash version or something. can i type   apt-get install flash/old   or   apt-get install flash=old   or   apt-get install flash old  which one is correct guys?
[15:36] <chinaguy> jjjjj
[15:36] <usr13> jay__: no
[15:37] <mp7> Iran . . .
[15:37] <mp7> ???
[15:37] <chinaguy> hi
[15:37] <mp7> hi
[15:37] <usr13> jay__: You just use specific package name
[15:37] <sugoruyo> usr13, I've already tried that Google Search however, I just noticed a result that might have what I need
[15:37] <DJones> !ir | mp7
[15:38] <cfhowlett> !cn|chinaguy
[15:38] <cfhowlett> !kylin| chinaguy
[15:38] <mp7> thanku
[15:38] <jay__> usr13,  :( what do these two options mean then? install pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}]
[15:39] <chinaguy> ,,,
[15:39] <jay__> [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}] are option for the install pkg command aren't they?
[15:40] <usr13> jay__: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man8/apt-get.8.html
[15:42] <angezanetti> usr13: is there some tweaks i should do to make my macbookpro feel better with ubuntu?
[15:42] <cfhowlett> !mac
[15:43] <jay__> i found the answer!
[15:43] <usr13> jay__: What did you find?
[15:43] <eeee> they both designate the package you want?
[15:43] <jay__> it would be apt-get install package=packageversion
[15:43] <jay__> or you can tyupe apt-get install package/targetrelease
[15:44] <angezanetti> cfhowlett: hum, i was looking for generic lqptop stuff, i read the Mac doc already
[15:44] <eeee> i think they both designate the same thing, just 2 different ways of saying which version
[15:45] <jay__> muhahaha that's for the direction usr13
[15:45] <jay__> thanks for the direction*
[15:46] <jay__> you're right eeee
[15:46] <Annihilator_> need help
[15:46] <cfhowlett> !ask|Annihilator_
[15:47] <ladital> hello, how do i find out how much RAM i have? (what type in terminal?)
[15:47] <Vge> mem -f
[15:47] <cfhowlett> ladital free
[15:48] <ladital> mem command not found :(
[15:48] <Annihilator_> since i have switched from windows to ubuntu i am having some difficulties.where can i find removable disk(CD,USB,etc..)in ubuntu and access it?
[15:48] <usr13> jay__: I see;  http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.apt-get.html  (Ive not use those options before)
[15:48] <n1md4> hi.  is it possible to tail logs permanently?  at the moment it tails until 6 in the morning.
[15:48] <ladital> free?
[15:49] <ladital> cfhowlett: free?
[15:49] <usr13> n1md4: yes
[15:49] <kanhiya> hi all, i installed xubuntu desktop on ubuntu , but i am facing some problems, i created and deleted top panel and put unity indicator applet on bottom panel
[15:49] <Beldar> Annihilator_, In home left panel
[15:49] <usr13> n1md4: Well, far as I know it is...
[15:49] <kanhiya> now whenever i open libre office or pidgin etc
[15:49] <kanhiya> it throws an error Plugin "Indicator Plugin" unexpectedly left the panel, do you want to restart it?
[15:49] <jay__> i'll read that later usr13 . i've had enough learning for a morning lol
[15:50] <ladital> help :)
[15:50] <usr13> kanhiya: What is "unity indicator applet"?
[15:51] <Beldar> Annihilator_, That would be external stuff...etc, if you have mounted a partition example with fstab you would see it in /mnt
[15:52] <Annihilator_> Beldar i didn't get you
[15:53] <Beldar> Annihilator_, what part do you not get?
[15:53] <Annihilator_> how do i access external stuff?
[15:53] <Annihilator_> like usb and DVD etc...
[15:53] <Beldar> Annihilator_, Give an exact example.
[15:54] <usr13> +bug/1181134 | kanhiya
[15:54] <usr13> bug1181134 | kanhiya
[15:54] <Beldar> Annihilator_, Left panel on desktop should show a usb that would be mounted. Do you know what home is?
[15:54] <martin1969> hello, i'm stumped on trying to make my computer dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu 14.04. right now, windows' hard drive is designated with sda, and ubuntu is with sda1.
[15:55] <usr13> kandinski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/1181134
[15:55] <Annihilator_> it doesn't show that is the problem Beldar
[15:55] <martin1969> is it a good idea just to change the ubuntu's drive designation to sdb?
[15:56] <eeee> martin1969: irrelevant
[15:56] <usr13> martin1969: From ___________?  Why __________ ?
[15:56] <whosyourdaddy> i don't think so
[15:56] <eeee> martin1969: and windows should be sdaxY, the whole drive is sda, sdaxY designate partitions
[15:56] <Nepazystu> ;
[15:56] <Beldar> Annihilator_, are you sure it is mounted, lets focus on one at a time like usb.
[15:57] <Annihilator_> ok
[15:57] <martin1969> eeee, windows and ubuntu are on separate hard drives.
[15:57] <usr13> martin1969: Did you have grub install boot loader to MBR of the primary one?  (sda)?
[15:57] <Beldar> martin1969, We to see exactly how the HD is setup now, run parted -l and pastebin it with theses inquires.
[15:58] <fabio_> its possible to install xfce in ubuntu touch?
[15:58] <martin1969> usr, sda has windows installed.
[15:58] <svetlana> fabio_: I think so. try asking #ubuntu-touch
[15:58] <Beldar> fabio_, ubuntu touch is on #ubuntu-touch ask them
[15:59] <whosyourdaddy> 'course
[15:59] <whosyourdaddy> just give it a try
[15:59] <usr13> martin1969: If not, you probably just installed the boot loader to the drive you installed ubuntu on, (sdb I would suppose, right?).  If so, you will need to use the computer's own boot options (from bios) to select which OS to boot to.
[15:59] <Beldar> !who | whosyourdaddy
[15:59] <martin1969> right now, when i boot my computer, ubuntu boots up.
[15:59] <Beldar> !bootinfo | martin1969 run this please
[16:00] <usr13> martin1969: Did you tell grub to install boot loader to MBR of sda?
[16:00] <usr13> martin1969: Yea, run the bootinfo script and we'll have a look.
[16:01] <martin1969> ok. thanks.
[16:03] <martin1969> what i'm puzzled right now is why the ubuntu hard drive is designed with sda1 instead of sdb. keep in mind that windows part is sda.
[16:03] <martin1969> designated, rather
[16:05] <Beldar> martin1969, Run that script without details we cannot help.
[16:05] <usr13> martin1969: sda1 is the first parition on the primary drive.  But let's see what RESULTS.txt says
[16:06] <martin1969> right. i'm a newbie so cut me some slack. i'm reading the website direction.
[16:06] <usr13> martin1969: sda is just the drive  sda1 is the first partition on that [primary] drive.
[16:07] <Beldar> martin1969, You have to realize details rule newbie or not.
[16:07] <martin1969> usr, but ubuntu exists on a separate hard drive.
[16:08] <martin1969> i attempted this last year and somehow hosed the windows mbr.
[16:08] <Beldar> martin1969, Stop commenting and run the script please.
[16:08] <usr13> martin1969: Let's hope you learned your lesson.
[16:09] <martin1969> ok. let me shut down the computer. i need to plug in the windows drive's cables.
[16:09] <martin1969> i'll be back.
[16:09] <n1md4> usr13: how would i do that then?
[16:10] <usr13> martin1969: YOu are going to do what?
[16:10] <usr13> martin1969: You installed Ubuntu without the MS Windows drive plugged in?
[16:11] <usr13> martin1969: If that is the case, you do not have a dual-boot system.
[16:11] <martin1969> right now, the windows hard drive is not plugged in.  well, i did.
[16:11] <martin1969> brb.
[16:11] <usr13> martin1969: So you just have to physically switch drives to boot one OS or the other.
[16:12] <usr13> If you only had the one drive plugged in when you installed Ubuntu, you are stuck with having to physically switching from one drive to the other in order to boot one or the other OS.
[16:13] <Beldar> can the computer support 2 HD would be my question
[16:14] <isthisreallife> somethong wrong with my address bar drop down list
[16:14] <isthisreallife> http://i.imgur.com/YVNjnMG.jpg
[16:14] <isthisreallife> how do i fix it?
[16:14] <usr13> Beldar: You mean "booting" from one or the other HDs.
[16:15] <Beldar> usr13, whether one is a slave would be later info, or an external, just can both be plugged in internally is my question.
[16:15] <usr13> martin1969: What kind of computer is it?  What kind of Hard Drives are they?  IDE, SATA  ?
[16:15] <cfhowlett> isthisreallife ?  looks normal
[16:15] <usr13> martin1969: or USB   ....?
[16:16] <Beldar> isthisreallife, looks normal from here can you explain your issue?
[16:16] <martin1969> usr13, it's a computer that i assembled. 2 ssds, one running windows and one running ubuntu.
[16:16] <martin1969> sata
[16:16] <usr13> martin1969: Ok.  They are both sata drives?  And did you only have one plugged in when you installed Ubuntu?
[16:17] <martin1969> usr13, yes. i had the windows plugged in when installing ubuntu. i wiped out the previous version and installed the latest version.
[16:18] <usr13> martin1969: Run the bootinfo script and paste results.
[16:19] <isthisreallife> http://i.imgur.com/hEe4SYL.jpg   Beldar, cfhowlett
[16:19] <isthisreallife> width 100%
[16:19] <martin1969> right. but right now the windows drive is not plugged in. i need to shut down the computer in order to do so. i'll be right back.
[16:19] <ianorlin> 56/buffer 12
[16:20] <cfhowlett> isthisreallife I'm still not seeing the problem, but you can maximize chrome.  if it still acts up, delete the .hidden chrome file from your /home
[16:20] <cfhowlett> isthisreallife restart for reset to defaults
[16:23] <isthisreallife> cfhowlett  there is no such file as .chrome in /home
[16:25] <cfhowlett> isthisreallife /home/.config/.chrome          (or are you running chromium?)
[16:26] <isthisreallife> ye found it but deleting it didnt help
[16:27] <isthisreallife> http://i.stack.imgur.com/WdPpZ.png     http://i.imgur.com/hEe4SYL.jpg
[16:28] <isthisreallife> cfhowlett  dont you see the difference?
[16:28] <cfhowlett> isthisreallife don't see the difference and still don't see the problem
[16:30] <Beldar> isthisreallife, Can you give an exact description of your issue.
[16:30] <isthisreallife> yep one minute
[16:30] <Beldar> isthisreallife, no pictures, no two word answers.
[16:35] <zoli> hi, how can i make a program that needs root right to start up automatically in trusty? I tried /etc/rc.local, but for some reason it didnt work
[16:35] <usr13> zoli: I'm afraid you will need to be specific
[16:35] <craigbass1976> I've got a microphone that's showing a signal (when I tap it) but I don't hear the tapping.
[16:35] <isthisreallife> address drop down menu shouldnt be that big
[16:35] <usr13> zoli: Define "a program"
[16:36] <isthisreallife> please take a look at this http://i.stack.imgur.com/WdPpZ.png
[16:36] <cfhowlett> craigbass1976 and your speakers are "muted" ???
[16:36] <isthisreallife> its not 100% width
[16:36] <isthisreallife> http://i.imgur.com/tbMQMr5.jpg
[16:36] <craigbass1976> cfhowlett: no
[16:36] <usr13> !startup | zoli
[16:37] <craigbass1976> cfhowlett: I savbvious things for Monday mornings.  :)e forgetting really o
[16:37] <craigbass1976> cfhowlett: I save forgetting really obvious things for Monday Mornings.
[16:37] <craigbass1976> Stupid trackpad...
[16:37] <Beldar> zoli, What program, and why root?
[16:37] <zoli> usr13: well, i am right you can only start up programs from gnome sessions that doesnt need sudo, right?
[16:38] <zoli> Beldar: because the program only runs by sudoing
[16:38] <Beldar> Beldar> zoli, What program, and why root? Answer the question
[16:38] <usr13> zoli: Why does it need sudo?  What line did you put in /etc/rc.local ?  What is the name of the program?
[16:38] <eeee> zoli: you can edit sudoers and have it run without sudo, for all users
[16:39] <Beldar> zoli, pastebin the output of uname -a
[16:39] <zoli> i want to log myself logkeys, and used: /usr/bin/logkeys -s
[16:39] <zoli> in /etc/rc.local
[16:40] <craigbass1976> cfhowlett: nevermind -- I grabbed this headset at the recycle center, and just found out the left speaker doesn't work.  So, I guess it doesn't matter at this point whether the mic works or not.
[16:40] <zoli> as i know in rc.local you are yet root, so no sudo needed, but it doesnt work right now
[16:40] <cfhowlett> craigbass1976 got it.
[16:40] <usr13> zoli: service --status-all
[16:42] <Annihilator_> help! i installed ubuntu and lost all my files.How do i recover them?
[16:42] <cfhowlett> Annihilator_ WHAT files?
[16:42] <Beldar> !details | Annihilator_
[16:42] <usr13> zoli: Do you see it in the list?
[16:42] <zoli> usr13: i was searching for the program with ps aux|grep logk and no result
[16:42] <usr13> zoli: Let me first ask you this;  How did you install it?
[16:42] <eeee> zoli: did you change the execution bit as it says?
[16:43] <usr13> zoli: apt ?
[16:43] <zoli> through synaptic
[16:43] <usr13> zoli: service --status-all
[16:43] <usr13> zoli: Do you see it in the list?
[16:43] <usr13> zoli: Shift-PageUp
[16:44] <zoli> yes I see it with a minus before it
[16:44] <zoli> [-]
[16:44] <usr13> zoli: so it is not starting?
[16:44] <eeee> zoli:  "In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution bits."
[16:44] <zoli> what does it mean this sign?
[16:44] <eeee> did you do that? did you set it to +x ?
[16:44] <usr13> zoli: Means it is not starting.  You need to tell it to start.
[16:44] <zoli> eeee: good tip, no i hanvet touched it
[16:45] <zoli> usr13: how?
[16:45] <zoli> how to tell it to autostart?
[16:45] <zoli> i can start manually
[16:45] <eeee> zoli: run sudo chmod +x rc.local
[16:45] <Annihilator_> I installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my Desktop. While installing two options were available:
[16:45] <Annihilator_> Install Ubuntu alongside Windows 7
[16:45] <Annihilator_> Replace windows 7
[16:45] <Annihilator_> My computer had 3 drives. Windows 7 was installed on C: drive and there was data on other two drives. I chose option to Replace Windows 7.
[16:45] <Annihilator_> But now in Ubuntu, there is only one drive. Its size is approximately equals the hard-disk size and it is almost free, so it seems like all the data is lost.
[16:45] <Annihilator_> Could anyone please help me on this? Would it be possible to recover the lost data?
[16:45] <unopaste> Annihilator_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[16:45] <zoli> well, rc.local is a system file
[16:46] <usr13> zoli: update-rc
[16:46] <usr13> zoli: update-rc.d
[16:46] <zoli> and it is already executable
[16:47] <Beldar> !recovery | Annihilator_
[16:47] <cfhowlett> Annihilator possibly.  but if you using it now, you should stop.
[16:47] <cfhowlett> !recover
[16:47] <Beldar> Annihilator_ First turn off computer and boot a live cd
[16:48] <jkbbwr> what in fucks name is flexnet
[16:48] <zoli> usr13: ahm, ubuntu doesnt use upstart instead of sysv?
[16:48] <jkbbwr> and how did it get onto my system
[16:48] <usr13> zoli: Did you manually apply the executable bit to the script in /etc/init.d/keyloger  (or what ever the name is)?
[16:48] <Beldar> jkbbwr, No swearing, thank you.
[16:48] <jkbbwr> Beldar: sorry just a tad freaked out
[16:48] <usr13> zoli: Yes, it uses upstart
[16:48] <usr13> zoli: update-rc.d
[16:49] <zoli> the program is already executable, no manual action was needed
[16:49] <zoli> synaptic installed it
[16:49] <zoli> how to use update-rc.d?
[16:50] <zoli> update-rc.d app enable?
[16:50] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Context helps here, to the channel not me.
[16:51] <zoli> or maybe trusty is already use systemd?
[16:51] <jkbbwr> My boot sector is garbled, I ran boot-repair, it warns me that flexnet is installed and gives creepy messages
[16:51] <jkbbwr> this scares me into thinking I have been rootkitted
[16:51] <jkbbwr> or someone has infected my MBR
[16:51] <cfhowlett> jkbbwr "messages" ...
[16:52] <usr13> zoli: service keyloger start
[16:52] <jkbbwr> warn: Sector 32 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it.
[16:52] <k1n6z> I'm trying to figure out why I do not have the 'Auto-Connect' option on my VPN connections. Is it something within the applet that I am missing?
[16:52] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Don't assume and get freaked out. ;) I see that attched to adobe...etc with a quick look on web. Post the bootinfo summary url from bootrepiar
[16:53] <usr13> zoli: Or what ever the name is.
[16:53] <k1n6z> NM
[16:53] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Do you have a windows installation?
[16:53] <jkbbwr> Beldar: A very long time ago
[16:53] <jkbbwr> Beldar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7752112/
[16:53] <usr13> zoli: service logkeys start
[16:55] <Beldar> jkbbwr, That is what it is attached to or came from, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1661254 be very careful and backup the ubuntu.
[16:55] <zoli> usr13: yup service is upstart but it only can start the app, instead of setting it to autostarting
[16:56] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Be sure to read post 2 by oldfred
[16:57] <jkbbwr> ohhhhh alienware repair sector
[16:57] <usr13> zoli: Something like this: update-rc.d logkeys start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6
[16:57] <usr13> zoli: sudo
[16:58] <jkbbwr> brb
[16:58] <usr13> zoli: sudo logkeys start  #To manyally start it.
[16:59] <usr13> zoli: For testing use -n
[17:00] <usr13> zoli: Something like this: update-rc.d -n logkeys start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6
[17:00] <jkbbwr> Beldar: I ran boot-repair, and just told it to carry on and fix it
[17:00] <jkbbwr> Beldar: Idk if whatever is hiding in my mbr is there but that is a problem for future jkbbwr
[17:00] <zoli> usr13: well, thank you, your sysv update script solved the issue (although i think it is not upstart): update-rdc.d app enable
[17:00] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Did you read the link and posts 2
[17:01] <jkbbwr> Beldar: I did read the link
[17:01] <jkbbwr> Beldar: but I did just reboot fine after boot-install
[17:03] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Post 2 gives an explanation, this was an issue at one time, I'm surprised it popped up, the bootrepair app just let grub fix it, but does not have a coded in answer to it, I suspect as the app was designed after this issue was fixed in grub.
[17:04] <Beldar> jkbbwr, You can put the tinfoil hat back on it's stand. ;)
[17:04] <zoli> man update-rc.d
[17:05] <jkbbwr> Beldar: heh, as I said, idk what boot-repair did, but now my system is booting just fine
[17:05] <jkbbwr> Beldar: Future jkbbwr can worry about the tin foil hat
[17:05] <zoli> usr13: i only used: update-rdc.d logkeys enable 345
[17:06] <usr13> zoli: Most but not all services are started and configured to start on boot-up by default.  logkeys is apparently not one that is configured to sart automagically
[17:06] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Cool, this flexnet thang was a real frustration at one time, I was on the forums then helping with grub issues in general.
[17:06] <usr13> zoli: Ok, I wasn't sure of the exact syntax
[17:06] <jkbbwr> Beldar: I think its something that looks like flexnet, this is an old alienware, and alienware had a dell recovery boot sector in it
[17:07] <usr13> zoli: That's why I recommended -n
[17:07] <jkbbwr> that I totally forgot aobut
[17:07] <zoli> but -n doesnt do anything right?
[17:07] <usr13> zoli: Right, it just tells what it *would* do.
[17:07] <Beldar> jkbbwr, Ah, it seems to be possible in several possibilities, glad you found the exact link to where it was from. ;)
[17:08] <Beldar> not the best grammar but you get the gist
[17:11] <zoli> usr13: my keyboard layout is english in guake terminal although in MATE i have set it to my native and graphical apps use native keyboard layout correctly. Do you know why is it diferent in terminal and how to set it back?
[17:13] <usr13> !keyboard | zoli
[17:13] <samtodd> Hello
[17:18] <samtodd> Do I need to update video drivers with Ubuntu 14.04?
[17:18] <samtodd> If so, what driver do I use? I have a GTX480 Nvidia
[17:19] <Beldar> samtodd, Open software sources and look at additional drivers.
[17:19] <Beldar> samtodd, If it is working fine than you are set.
[17:19] <vakili> ojn
[17:20] <samtodd> It seems to be not working very well.
[17:21] <usr13> !info ubuntu-drivers-common | samtodd
[17:21] <samtodd> Beldar, thanks, I found the proprietary driver
[17:21] <Beldar> samtodd, So you have named the hardware, look at the additional drivers and let the channel know what you see, and give a description of "It seems to be not working very well." if needed, try the additional drivers first.
[17:24] <samtodd> How do I view my display settings for multiple screens?
[17:26] <samtodd> nevermind, I found it.
[17:27] <kdeuser56> how do I use setfacl for /proc?
[17:27] <kdeuser56> it always says operation not supported
[17:35] <exgnu> could unity be ported do non-linux?
[17:35] <holstein> exgnu: yes.. and is
[17:35] <holstein> well.. non-ubuntu,it is.. actually dont think its ported to non-linux
[17:35] <exgnu> what non-linux? bsd?
[17:36] <holstein> its all open, so one can do what one likes. within the technical limitations..
[17:36] <exgnu> oh ok
[17:40] <rambo123456> hey fellas.  how do I remap the ctrl with caps in ubuntu 14.04?  I don't see that option in the preferences
[17:42] <holstein> rambo123456: looks like what i would do.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/453793/remapping-caps-lock-in-14-04-trusty-tahr
[17:42] <fiatjaf> hello helpful people. after following this[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto] tutorial (and successfully managing to receive emails from the internet using my own domain) I stopped receiving mail with the output of my cron jobs.
[17:43] <fiatjaf> I didn't set up my mail daemon or whatever it is that was working, I'm talking about an Ubuntu droplet at Digital Ocean and it came this way.
[17:44] <jhutchins> fiatjaf: What do the logs show?
[17:44] <fiatjaf> jhutchins: where do I look for them?
[17:45] <fiatjaf> syslog?
[17:47] <fiatjaf> my cron jobs are running, syslog shows them, I see them running with `ps` and the products of their work
[17:48] <fiatjaf> the tutorial made postfix create a ~/Maildir directory, which is storing my email from the internet, but not email from cron
[17:53] <jhutchins> fiatjaf: /var/log/maillog or something like that.
[17:56] <fiatjaf> jhutchins: http://pastie.org/9358771
[17:56] <sapints> hito all
[17:56] <fiatjaf> jhutchins: these are probably when cron tried to mail me
[17:59] <LonelyGirl> Ada anak indo gak? Hehehe
[17:59] <sfn> LonelyGirl I am
[18:00] <riobe_> Hello, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 from a USB created with Universal USB Installer from Windows and during the process (in one of 2 places) I get an error that has both a title and description of "??? ???". Is this something anyone can help with?
[18:01] <riobe_> I'm trying to switch to Linux as my primary OS and I'm still a bit newbie in it. Not entirely sure what to look for when the error message is nothing but ?'s.
[18:03] <SonikkuAmerica> riobe_: I would tell you to check your ???????? ????????, but that wouldn't help because you wouldn't find it
[18:03] <usr13> riobe_: So when you try to boot to it you get question marks?
[18:04] <LonelyGirl> Why no one reply my pv T.T
[18:04] <susana> hello, I need help with installing a microscope camera. I don't know if the driver exists thoug.
[18:04] <bazhang> !ot | LonelyGirl
[18:04] <sfn> riobe_: trying to install it from cd
[18:04] <susana> I'm getting this from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 021: ID 0547:4d33 Anchor Chips, Inc.
[18:04] <susana> are there any generic drivers for these kinds of things?
[18:04] <riobe_> usr13: I can boot from the USB, and start the process. It gets to a part where it seems to detect that I have Windows 7 on the drive. I tell it to use the entire drive and hit next. Sometimes I get the error there and it loops back to asking me if I want to dual boot or use the whole drive. Sometimes I get to the pick a timezone screen and it comes up and won't go away.
[18:05] <Beldar> susana, I assume this is plugged in via usb run lsusb and identify the info there on it.
[18:05] <susana> I tried using it as a regullar webcam with no success
[18:05] <bazhang> susana what does <that id> ubuntu ; turn up in a search engine
[18:05] <susana> Beldar, yes, look at my previous comment
[18:05] <riobe_> sfn: I don't have a disk burner available to me. Do you think trying to install from the USB is what my problem is?
[18:05] <susana> I found the following:
[18:06] <Beldar> susana, Missed that thanks.
[18:06] <susana> http://forum.linux-club.de/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=113863
[18:06] <susana> but it's in german
[18:06] <sfn> riobe_: nope!
[18:07] <susana> I don't have the hwinfo command
[18:07] <bekks> susana: In that article, they are just using hwinfo/lsusb to find out the USB ID.
[18:07] <susana> yes, but I thought I could get more information from hwinfo
[18:08] <riobe_> Having a ??? ??? error message is just cruel. I'll keep googling, but if anyone has an idea, I'd love you for it. I'm just starting to feel familar from within Linux, but I have no idea how to fix this install error yet.
[18:08] <bekks> susana: hwinfo doesnt display more information than lsusb would :)
[18:09] <susana> ohh ok
[18:09] <Beldar> riobe_, I would try unetbootin, that usb loader I have found can have config problems on occasion, there are a handful of usb loaders you can use. Also check the md5sum on the iso.
[18:10] <susana> it's awful that these people give you a windows driver for a scientific hardware and no linux support
[18:10] <riobe_> Beldar: Thanks! That's at least something to try. I'll go give it a go.
[18:10] <sapints_> question: someone know as start a paersonal service on boot? alredy {/etc/init.d/ ... update-rc.d}
[18:10] <bekks> susana: So which USB ID does it have?
[18:10] <Beldar> riobe_, In these situautions you have to just knock out the outliers, hard to find exact reasons is all.
[18:12] <riobe_> Beldar: True, I just don't have enough knowledge in this realm to know how to do that in any decent timeframe. Not that I won't keep searching till I find something, just make take some hours.
[18:12] <susana> 0547:4d33
[18:12] <susana> bekks
[18:14] <susana> it seems that there's no kernel module for this device
[18:14] <susana> thank you guys
[18:14] <sapints_> no one?
[18:14] <darkseid> guys
[18:14] <darkseid> why so slow ?
[18:14] <darkseid> i'm seeing lag in transitions/animations
[18:14] <darkseid> anything obvious im missing ?
[18:15] <tengopreguntas> hi. does anybody have experience making cgroups work under ubuntu. i am having a hell of a hard time trying to make it work
[18:16] <sebastia1> man
[18:16] <bekks> tengopreguntas: Whats "not working" when starting from here? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/cgroups.html
[18:16] <Jens1112> hello
[18:17] <sebastia1> -nick seb
[18:17] <tengopreguntas> bekks: the group is created, the assigments to cpu limits, and the task gets execute by cgexec but i don't see the limits reflected when i run top
[18:17] <tengopreguntas> bekks: i am not making the permanent changes, editing the .conf files
[18:18] <jkbbwr> Beldar: Hey I installed nvidia drivers and now im getting the black screen of death
[18:18] <jkbbwr> Beldar: :C
[18:18] <bekks> tengopreguntas: I'd try making the changes permanent then.
[18:18] <tengopreguntas> well, i am trying not to, since it is a script that i want to distribute.
[18:18] <tengopreguntas> and something that should run very few times...
[18:20] <tengopreguntas> is there any other forum i should go ask for help?
[18:21] <bekks> tengopreguntas: So try making the changes permanent to check wether thats the cause of your issues.
[18:21] <tengopreguntas> bekks:  i've just gone through the documentation you sent me, but nothing new
[18:21] <tengopreguntas> ok, i will do that then. and see what happens
[18:22] <jkbbwr> Failed to query NVIDIA devices
[18:23] <bekks> jkbbwr: Where do you get that?
[18:24] <jkbbwr> bekks: grep NVIDIA /var/log/syslog
[18:25] <bekks> jkbbwr: Thats not sufficient to see the context etc.
[18:26] <jkbbwr> bekks: installed nvidia-current reboot, after grub get black screen
[18:26] <jkbbwr> cant get past
[18:28] <Jens1112> can someone tell me how to transfer data between two computers? one runs ubuntu 12.04 the other runs 14.04, both are connected to the same internet connection with lan and wlan! tried to use usb stick but it takes very long and some data could not be copied they also are write protected afterwards on the other computer
[18:28] <sfn> jkbbwr: have you tried disable nouveau kernel?
[18:28] <jkbbwr> sfn: how do I disable nouveau kernel
[18:29] <Beldar> jkbbwr, bummer, just info but your help now is much better than mine, on graphics I would just be googling for answers. ;)O
[18:29] <jkbbwr> I have googled loads buh nope
[18:29] <riobe_> jkbbwr: I had that when I was messing with drivers on CentOS. If you get to the balck screen and hit Alt+F4, does it take you to a command prompt? That's what happened to me, though I'm not sure if that's the case here.
[18:29] <jkbbwr> riobe_: nope
[18:29] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[18:29] <jkbbwr> nomodeset is also set but I still get a black screen
[18:29] <riobe_> jkbbwr: Sorry then, that's my only idea.
[18:30] <jkbbwr> whats $vt_handoff
[18:32] <riobe_> I've now tried making a bootable USB with Universal UBS Installer and with UNetbootin and get a "??? ???" error when saying continue with the option to replace drive with Ubuntu (14.04).  Anyone have any other ideas? I'd love to put Ubuntu on my machine if I could figure out what was causing this.
[18:33] <Jens1112> gonna ask in offtopic then
[18:33] <Jens1112> see you there
[18:33] <Beldar> !md5sum | Riobe
[18:34] <Beldar> riobe_, To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[18:34] <pavlos> Jens1112, you could use ssh
[18:34] <Beldar> riobe_, Lets check the sum of the iso just to get that out if the way.
[18:34] <riobe_> Beldar: I'll try. Just downloaded the image from the Ubuntu site so I assumed it would be good.
[18:35] <pavlos> Jens1112, man scp
[18:35] <Jens1112> @pavlos: ssh for network?
[18:35] <rick7568> ive tried a bunch of different solutions, and i cant get this tearing issue fixed. does anybody know hot to fix it?
[18:35] <jkbbwr> It gets stuck after resotoring resolver state
[18:35] <Beldar> riobe_, How old is the computer?
[18:36] <tengopreguntas> bekks: how do you install the cgconfig service in ubuntu
[18:36] <Jens1112> @pavlos: got to do some indeep websearch :)
[18:36] <riobe_> Beldar: The one I'm installing on is about 3 years old.
[18:36] <pavlos> Jens1112, assuming you have the usr/pass for both systems you could scp user@system12 user@system14 check the man page
[18:36] <Jens1112> @pavlos: thank you
[18:36] <Beldar> riobe_, My wonder is if this is a uefi bios computer?
[18:36] <pavlos> Jens1112, np
[18:37] <riobe_> Beldar: I think I know how to check. I'll look.
[18:37] <Beldar> riobe_, Are you booted to the live desktop?
[18:37] <riobe_> Beldar: No, but I can.
[18:38] <sfn> ask: guys do you know anything about appmenu indicator for xubuntu 12.04?
[18:38] <Beldar> riobe_, Lets do that we can check the partition table with a command and types of partitons.
[18:38] <Beldar> partitions*
[18:38] <riobe_> Beldar: You are quickly becoming my hero. lol
[18:39] <Beldar> riobe_, Lets wait to see if that plays out, never seen a ????? so you know......
[18:39] <rick7568> ive tried a bunch of different solutions, and i cant get this tearing issue fixed. does anybody know how to fix it?
[18:42] <z1haze> woudl someone mind helping me? im trying to use pastebinit but its just giving the regular link to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:42] <tengopreguntas> can anybody tell me where did the cgconfig service go in ubuntu 14.04 or how can i do to create it?
[18:42] <riobe_> Beldar: lol, of course. Just very nice to have some ideas of what to do. I'm looking around those links you gave, but I don't see where I can download a *.md5 file for the 14.04 desktop amd release. Still looking, so I can follow those directions
[18:43] <jkbbwr> Ga
[18:43] <jkbbwr> disabled nouveau and still getting black screen
[18:43] <riobe_> Beldar: And I hve the live desktop open on the computer I want to install on now.
[18:43] <jkbbwr> im gonna eat food
[18:43] <jkbbwr> brb
[18:43] <Beldar> riobe_, in the terminal run sudo parted -l and pastebin the output
[18:44] <z1haze> can someone help me use pastebinit? when i try it just links me to the main paste.ubuntu.com site
[18:44] <SchrodingersScat> z1haze: are you giving it something to pastebin?
[18:44] <Samtodd> Hello, I'm complete newbie to Linux. How do I install a .bin file?
[18:45] <sfn> Samtood: bin file?
[18:45] <bekks> Samtodd: You should never do that.
[18:45] <bekks> Samtodd: What are you actually trying to accomplish?
[18:45] <Samtodd> Trying to install iracing.com software.
[18:45] <pavlos> z1haze, http://linuxers.org/article/pastebinit-command-line-pastebin-client
[18:45] <Samtodd> I downloaded a .bin file
[18:45] <trism> tengopreguntas: I see cgconfigparser and example cgconfig.conf files in cgroup-bin if that's what you're looking for
[18:45] <z1haze> yea
[18:46] <riobe_> Beldar: There are definitely errors in there. I wish I knew more about partitioning. http://pastebin.com/wSKNSBUP
[18:46] <Samtodd> They also have a .deb
[18:46] <z1haze> i typed pastebinit ./config.xml
[18:46] <Samtodd> and a Linux RPM download
[18:46] <Samtodd> I chose the .bin at random
[18:46] <rsw> what's the command for restarting ssh on ubuntu 12.04?  ive tried various suggestions from google with no result
[18:47] <bekks> Samtodd: Then use the .deb
[18:47] <Samtodd> Okay, I'll try that.
[18:47] <Samtodd> Thanks bekks
[18:47] <blaaa> rsw: "sudo service ssh restart" does not work?
[18:47] <riobe_> Beldar: Just figured out the md5 part. My iso matches the hash it's supposed to: ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:48] <Beldar> riobe_, So multiple HD's which is the one you want to wipe for ubuntu?
[18:49] <pavlos> z1haze, I just installed pastebinit, then did "pastebinit file" and it gave me the link. You're doing something wrong.
[18:49] <rsw> i get "unrecognized service" blaaa .  this machine is the client, not the server.  im attempting to correct a write failed: broken pipe error
[18:49] <riobe_> Beldar: One of these is an SSD with Win7 on it right now. I'm trying to figure out from this output which is which. The Win7 one is the one I want to nuke and recreate as Ubuntu.
[18:50] <rsw> i have made alterations to /etc/ssh/ssh_config in the form of a line concerning the update interval, although i still get the error, restarting the service was recommended for the changes in the config file to take effect
[18:50] <riobe_> Beldar: I'm going to boot back into windows for a moment and see if I can find the names that are in that pastebin for my drives from there.
[18:50] <holstein> rsw: i would try connecting local host or on your lan.. i have found the "broken pipe" error to be network related..
[18:51] <Beldar> riobe_, Cool, is it possible to unplug all the other drives once you know?
[18:51] <rsw> i can't say i quite understand holstein , do you suggest it's not a configuration problem but rather related to the router/modem?
[18:51] <riobe_> Beldar: Yeah, I can do that.
[18:51] <holstein> rsw: thats what im suggesting you troubleshoot and isolate
[18:52] <tengopreguntas> trism: should i need to add it to /etc/rc.local manually?
[18:52] <Samtodd> How do I "run 'sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; sudo apt-get update"?
[18:52] <Beldar> riobe_, I suspect the errors are part of this, just a guess really, but we are closer to answers from me or the channel in general.
[18:52] <Samtodd> I have terminal open
[18:53] <Samtodd> Sorry guys, complete newbie here.
[18:54] <holstein> Samtodd: http://www.smokingonabike.com/2012/10/22/running-the-iracing-com-client-on-linux/ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/iracing-sim-game-comes-to-ubuntu
[18:54] <bekks> Samtodd: Type it into the terminal.
[18:54] <Samtodd> okay did it
[18:55] <Samtodd> I wish I knew what the hell that did but oh well.
[18:55] <bekks> Samtodd: Then why are you doing it?
[18:55] <Beldar> Samtodd, The deb can be installed with the ubuntu software center, right click the deb-properties and choose it with the open with.
[18:56] <Samtodd> it said to do it on 64bit before I install
[18:56] <bekks> Samtodd: What is "it"?
[18:56] <Samtodd> run the command I typed
[18:56] <Samtodd> "run 'sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; sudo apt-get update"?
[18:56] <bekks> Samtodd: Why do you run commands you have no clue about?
[18:57] <riobe_> Beldar: The M4-CT512M4SSD2 is the drive I'm trying to install on. Do you still thin it's worthwhile to take the other two out temporarily?
[18:57] <theadmin> Samtodd: There's no need to do that with Ubuntu, it has multiarch on by default
[18:57] <Samtodd> On 64-bit flavors of Debian and some Ubuntu variants, first open a terminal and run .....
[18:57] <Samtodd> thats why I did it.
[18:57] <Beldar> riobe_, Would be a good start, there is no raid or identical partitions in this HD set?
[18:58] <riobe_> Nope
[18:58] <riobe_> Just 3 HD's.
[18:59] <Beldar> riobe_, The errors we see in the last command post I cannot really tell where they are so my thought is pulling the HD's to see if any differing situation.
[19:01] <Samtodd> Well, It appeared to install but now what?
[19:01] <Samtodd> I don't see a way to open it.
[19:01] <Beldar> riobe_, The ???? may just be from you having 3 HD's and the installer need to be pointed at the correct one.
[19:01] <bekks> Samtodd: What exactly did you do?
[19:01] <riobe_> Beldar: If I get that lucky, I'll be estatic.
[19:01] <Samtodd> I hit "install" in the Ubuntu Software Center.
[19:02] <Beldar> riobe_, 3 hd's would mean a manual install is all.
[19:02] <Samtodd> the little bar moved all the way
[19:02] <bekks> Samtodd: "Install" what?
[19:02] <Samtodd> The iracing.com software.
[19:03] <Samtodd> the .deb file
[19:05] <Samtodd> Please remember I have no clue what the heck I'm doing. Obriendave told me this is THE place to ask stupid questions.
[19:06] <rsw> well i can actually say my problem is most likely server-side, since my other shell account with another provider works flawlessly
[19:06] <riobe_> Beldar: Not sure if it will work the whole way, but I just got to the time zone selection screen with no errors. Which is a very very good sign.
[19:07] <Beldar> riobe_, I think you will be fine the auto install was confused by 3 HD's I think.
[19:07] <Samtodd> So, what do I do now?
[19:08] <Samtodd> go back to windows is what I'm thinking.
[19:08] <Beldar> riobe_, JUst be sure this HD is the first read in the bios when you add the other HD's back.
[19:08] <bekks> Samtodd: So why dont you open the dash menu on the top left and type something like "racing" to search for it?
[19:09] <Samtodd> I did, it didn't show up
[19:09] <mint> Hi. Please help! I'm running ubuntu 12.04, but with the latest update the computer doesn't boot, because grub has no menu entries! I'm currently running the computer with a live system. I tried to repair it with: mount dev, sys and proc with bind, then chroot and finally called update-grub. The output in the console seems ok, because all installed OS are found, BUT grub.cfg does not contain any menu entry!!
[19:09] <bekks> Samtodd: What else did you search for?
[19:09] <Samtodd> wait
[19:09] <riobe_> Beldar: It appears to be installing happily now.  I think you succeeded in being my hero for the day. lol And yeah, I'll make sure the boot order is correct. Thank you a ton!
[19:09] <Samtodd> I found it
[19:10] <wowas> h
[19:10] <Samtodd> hang on now it needs updates
[19:11] <Beldar> riobe_, No problem, I think a manual install would have worked, it just can be confusing if not used before, enjoy. ;)
[19:12] <dillon> yo
[19:12] <mint> No one can help me?
[19:12] <Official_Pants> Hi. I'm very new to Ubuntu and Linux, and I was trying out the live cd, but I couldn't connect to my wifi. Is there any way Ubuntu could kinda 'scan' like osx or windows does? Or do I have to put everything manually. Sorry if this is a stupid question
[19:13] <Samtodd> bekks, thanks. its updating inside the software now, I hope my controllers will work without much of a fight.
[19:13] <Beldar> Official_Pants, Run lspci in the terminal and identify the wifi hardware to the channel.
[19:14] <Official_Pants> Okay.
[19:14] <Beldar> mint, This ubuntu or mint?
[19:14] <Official_Pants> Thanks
[19:16] <Beldar> mint, use this app, do not repair just run the bootinfo summary and post the url given to it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:17] <rsw> actually, nevermind, i do get the same error with both shell account providers, so it must be client-side
[19:17] <vol4ko> Server API: 	Apache 2.0 Handler
[19:17] <vol4ko> this is mod_php?
[19:18] <Beldar> mint, Have some patience, I have asked you a question and a app to run.
[19:19] <Beldar> responding is part of the help. mint,
[19:20] <dillon> hi, I'm having a problem installing Ubuntu (Xubuntu specifically). The installer just skips the screen where it asks to install alongside windows and goes straight to the partition screen. There are no devices listed on the partition screen.
[19:22] <Beldar> dillon, W8 perchance?
[19:22] <reisio> dillon: undoubtedly meaning 'Windows 8'
[19:23] <Beldar> indubitably
[19:23] <Just1689> Ein Stack Ein JVM Ein Database! Heil Sun!
[19:23] <reisio> :/
[19:23] <dillon> I have windows 7 installed
[19:24] <Just1689> Windows 7 is racist
[19:24] <bekks> Just1689: Thats irrelevant for support.
[19:24] <Just1689> Apologies. Cheers
[19:24] <Beldar> dillon, Close the installer open a terminal and run sudo parted -l and pastebin the results. Preface answers to others with their nick
[19:24] <bekks> dillon: Then you have to find out which disk controller you actually have.
[19:29] <dillon> http://pastebin.com/FERjxWBv
[19:30] <dillon> only my usb stick shows up
[19:30] <dillon> pretty sure I booted from cd also
[19:30] <Samtodd> permission denied in terminal
[19:30] <Samtodd> How do I fix this?
[19:30] <siddhesh> hey hi friend i need some help in installing compat-drivers so plz help me
[19:31] <Samtodd> E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Perminssion denied)
[19:31] <Beldar> siddhesh, Details are needed and associated hardware.
[19:31] <bekks> Samtodd: Which command are you trying there...?
[19:32] <Samtodd> apt - get install libosmesa6:1386
[19:32] <dillon> type sudo before that
[19:32] <siddhesh>  i am using ubuntu 13.04 and my hardware is i3 2nd gen 4 gb ram
[19:33] <Beldar> siddhesh, 13.04 is end of life not supported.
[19:34] <Samtodd> bekks, How do I get root access?
[19:34] <dillon> sudo command
[19:34] <WHAT_UP> I'm on xubuntu 14.04 LTS, and every couple minutes, my screen randomly bugs out and shows me what was open on my desktop some half hour ago rather than what's actually going on now. I need to drag stuff around to "erase" the old image it's showing me. What's going on?
[19:34] <Samtodd> okay
[19:34] <basketball> Samtodd,  sudo -s
[19:35] <bekks> basketball: sudo -s is not needed, sudo apt-get ... is sufficient.
[19:35] <reisio> WHAT_UP: what graphics device?
[19:35] <basketball> bekks,  but you could run sudo -s and then just apt-get
[19:35] <bekks> basketball: Which is unnecessary :)
[19:36] <WHAT_UP> reisio: some radeon hd card
[19:36] <Beldar> WHAT_UP, I would do a memory test, hard to say rather strange.
[19:38] <Samtodd> How do I paste to the terminal?
[19:38] <bekks> !pastebinit | Samtodd
[19:39] <reisio> WHAT_UP: probably to do with your graphics device and/or driver, figure out what you have and try something different
[19:39] <reisio> WHAT_UP: or just disable graphics acceleration
[19:39] <WHAT_UP> reisio: will i still be able to watch the world cup with that? :o
[19:39] <reisio> WHAT_UP: yup
[19:40] <WHAT_UP> anyway, i'll check more carefully in a couple of days... deadline coming up in a couple of days :\
[19:41] <WHAT_UP> thanks for the help, reisio and Beldar!
[19:42] <Samtodd> whats the equivalent to notepad?
[19:43] <bekks> Samtodd: gedit
[19:43] <Samtodd> bekks, thanks
[19:45] <dillon> any ideas on what else I can try?
[19:47] <reisio> dillon: you can't get devices to show up?
[19:48] <Nodwolf> cntrl f?
[19:48] <dillon> my hardrive won't show up
[19:48] <dillon> flash drive does
[19:48] <reisio> dillon: sure the drive is still connected?
[19:48] <dillon> yes
[19:49] <dillon> I have windows 7 on it
[19:49] <reisio> dillon: okay, I'd try the live image at http://www.sysresccd.org/ and see if it can see the drive
[19:49] <dillon> ok
[19:50] <Beldar> !who | dillon
[19:50] <dillon> ubottu, got it
[19:50] <Beldar> dillon, Always use nicks here please or you get lost.
[19:50] <reisio> at least if you're speaking to someone in particular :p
[19:51] <Beldar> indubitably ;)
[19:51] <Beldar> just messing with your neck bolts
[20:02] <Samtodd> okay guys, my steering wheel is recognized and works properly but the pedals do not show up? any ideas?
[20:02] <Nodwolf> HOw do I open Terminal?
[20:03] <tyulgdfkljh> Hello.
[20:04] <dillon> nodwolf, open terminal with ctrl + alt + t
[20:05] <Nodwolf> dillon, Sweet, thanks bro
[20:07] <Coihue> Hi people, I wonder if there's a program that would let me manage a neighborhood club and specially control memberships fees.. thank you in advance
[20:07] <reisio> Coihue: that's pretty vague
[20:07] <reisio> sounds like a spreadsheet would do you, though
[20:07] <subone> Can anyone tell me how I can update the tab complete that comes after "sudo service servicename ". I don't know how it is generated but it seems it generated it by my service's usage output, but is old
[20:09] <Samtodd> the device is detected using lsusb
[20:09] <Coihue> reisio, I need a db of the members, and to know if they are up to date with their fees, just that :S
[20:14] <reisio> Coihue: spreadsheet app
[20:14] <Nodwolf> How can I copy text outside of Ubuntu, ran in VM, and paste it insdide?
[20:14] <reisio> Coihue: though personally I would use a simple tab-delimited text file
[20:15] <reisio> Nodwolf: what VM?
[20:15] <usr13> Nodwolf: you can't copy text to an application in a VM from outside it.
[20:15] <Coihue> Well, thank you reisio.
[20:15] <Nodwolf> reisio, Oracle VM Virtual Box
[20:15] <reisio> usr13: sure you can
[20:15] <usr13> reisio: Really?
[20:15] <reisio> really
[20:16] <reisio> Nodwolf: shutdown the guest OS, then go into its prefs
[20:16] <meganerd> usr13: if the client tools for the hypervisor are installed you can copy and paste
[20:16] <robynata> :-D
[20:16] <reisio> Nodwolf: https://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/ticket/11080/VB_shared_Clipboard.png
[20:17] <usr13> reisio: meganerd Ok, certian circumstances will make pasting text into a VM possible, but normally, no.
[20:17] <Nodwolf> reisio: Well that was faily simple, thanks
[20:18] <usr13> meganerd: SO how do you enable the "hypervisor"?
[20:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Nodwolf: You may need to install the Guest Additions module too
[20:19] <meganerd> usr13: depends on the OS, VMWare, kvm, xen, virtualbox, Hyper-v are all hypervisors
[20:19] <meganerd> usr13: so I would be inclined to say RTFM for the hypervisor you are interested in.
[20:19] <usr13> meganerd: Oh, yea, I was thinking of VNC, sorry...
[20:19] <meganerd> usr13: np
[20:20] <jkbbwr> and im back
[20:20] <jkbbwr> Still havent solved the nvidia issue
[20:20] <jkbbwr> I have a gtx 670m on a alienware motherboard
[20:20] <jkbbwr> and every time I install the nvidia-current drivers it boots into a black screen
[20:20] <jkbbwr> no matter what I do
[20:21] <reisio> usr13: it's just a feature, like anything, you can exploit it or not
[20:21] <reisio> nothing wrong with being ignorant of something :p
[20:21] <reisio> unless that something is contraception :)
[20:21] <basketball> how can i have my sleep and wake on a schedule
[20:22] <Bashing-om> jkbbwr: The 670m, is that optimus technokogy ? -> BumbleBee or Nvidia-prime .
[20:22] <jkbbwr> I dont know if its optimus
[20:24] <meganerd> jkbbwr: in your bios/uefi interface, what is the video device set to?
[20:24] <Samtodd> Looks like linux is great if you enjoy spending hours trying to make something work properly. If you just want to use the software Windows is the way to go.
[20:24] <meganerd> Samtodd:  not really, you still spend hours installing apps and drivers
[20:24] <meganerd> Samtodd: nice troll attempt though
[20:25] <Samtodd> can't blame a guy for trying
[20:25] <meganerd> Samtodd: you could try to be original
[20:25] <Samtodd> I prefer the tried and true method.
[20:25] <meganerd> Samtodd: It's not like I hadn't hear that in the 90's :)
[20:26] <sudoritz> anyone know how i can convert Date format to epoch 07-02-2014 14:12:02
[20:26] <meganerd> Samtodd: besides, if you have used Windows 8, you spend even more time making the UI sane
[20:26] <sudoritz> i tried date +%s -d"07-02-2014 14:12:02"
[20:26] <Samtodd> meganerd, I'm just frustrated.
[20:26] <sudoritz> but it seems invalid
[20:26] <Samtodd> meganerd, I haven't used Windows 8 yet.
[20:26] <reisio> sudoritz: ask ##linu
[20:26] <reisio> sudoritz: ask ##linux
[20:26] <Samtodd> I got a copy for christmas but scared to even try.
[20:27] <meganerd> Samtodd: I can certainly sympathise with that feeling, we have all been there.  I have been there with every OS I have used, so from my perspective they all suck.  Just Linux a little less IMHO.
[20:27] <Samtodd> meganerd, I have to be a freakin programmer to install a game!
[20:28] <riobe> Is there a way to change the hotkey that Alt+F2 defaults to in Unity? I didn't see it in the system settings keyboard shortcuts
[20:29] <Deihmos> meganerd, win 8 ui is great
[20:30] <Samtodd> I enjoy the way Ubuntu looks and works, but I just don't know how to make it do what I want it to do.
[20:30] <reisio> Samtodd: what do you want it to do?
[20:30] <jkbbwr> Ugh im gonna do a fresh install
[20:30] <jkbbwr> :(
[20:30] <reisio> Deihmos: hooray for rectangles...
[20:30] <reisio> jkbbwr: what for?
[20:31] <jkbbwr> reisio: cant get past this sodding black screen nvidia issue
[20:31] <jkbbwr> fresh install time#
[20:31] <K21> Hola
[20:31] <reisio> jkbbwr: nope :p
[20:31] <K21> Com
[20:31] <reisio> why would reinstalling help
[20:31] <reisio> K21: hi
[20:31] <K21> hey
[20:31] <Samtodd> reisio, I want my in game graphics issues to be fixed. And I want my controllers to be recognized.
[20:31] <jkbbwr> reisio: because Id get back to a clean non messed up state.....
[20:31] <K21> espanish _
[20:31] <meganerd> Deihmos: I guess if you don't like looking at two apps at the same time, and have a touch interface, and like wasting screen real estate, and don't use apps that are not integrated, then maybe?
[20:31] <K21> spanish ?
[20:31] <reisio> Samtodd: well pick an issue and we'll talk about it
[20:32] <reisio> K21: /msg alis list *ubunt*es
[20:32] <K21> chat encrypted
[20:32] <Samtodd> reisio, Okay lets start with the controller
[20:32] <reisio> okay
[20:32] <K21> ho;la
[20:32] <reisio> what's wrong with your controller?
[20:32] <K21> hola
[20:33] <Bashing-om> jkbbwr: I know of now way to determine what graphics are installed with out able to boot ub 'buntu, IF this is optimus technology ( highly likely) see:  Official Ubuntu Support Channel | IRC Guidelines: http://ubottu.com/y/gl | IRC info: http://ubottu.com/y/irc | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | Release Notes: http://ubot
[20:33] <K21> __
[20:33] <Deihmos> I can look at two apps. I don't understand what you are talking about
[20:33] <K21> ??
[20:33] <Bashing-om> 15:26 -!- ayushpix________ [~quassel@115.252.213.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[20:33] <Samtodd> reisio,  its a racing game, so there is a usb wheel and usb pedals. the wheel works the pedals don't
[20:33] <Bashing-om> 15:26 -!- riobe [~jpridemor@71-215-74-153.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu
[20:33] <Bashing-om> 15:26 -!- ayushpix____ [~quassel@115.252.213.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[20:33] <Bashing-om> 15:26 < reisio> sudoritz: ask ##linu
[20:33] <pavlos> !es | K21
[20:33] <Bashing-om> 15:26 < reisio> sudoritz: ask ##linux
[20:33] <Bashing-om> 15:26 -!- ayushpix_ [~quassel@115.252.213.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[20:33] <unopaste> Bashing-om you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[20:33] <reisio> Samtodd: how are the pedals connected?
[20:33] <Samtodd> USB
[20:34] <droetker2> Hello. My "linux-generic" package is broken. I can not install any apps. I tried apt-get clean, update, upgrade, install -f and pkg --configure -a... What do I do?
[20:34] <reisio> Samtodd: what does lsusb say about them?
[20:34] <Samtodd> reisio, they both show up, I think.
[20:34] <reisio> droetker2: what error message do you get?
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 -!- p0wn3d [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/p0wn3d] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[20:34] <reisio> Samtodd: as what
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 < Samtodd> I enjoy the way Ubuntu looks and works, but I just don't know how to make it do what I want it to do.
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 -!- commodor [~commodor@ip-212-081-024-086.static.nextra.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 -!- mramm [~mramm@99-9-112-42.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu
[20:34] <reisio> !ops Bashing-om spammer
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 -!- meLon [~meLon@ip24-254-120-28.pn.at.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 < reisio> Samtodd: what do you want it to do?
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 < jkbbwr> Ugh im gonna do a fresh install
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 < jkbbwr> :(
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 < reisio> Deihmos: hooray for rectangles...
[20:34] <Bashing-om> 15:30 < reisio> jkbbwr: what for?
[20:34] <unopaste> Bashing-om you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[20:34] <reisio> :)
[20:35] <Samtodd> bus 002 Device 007: ID 0eb7:1839
[20:35] <w4|k3r> jkbbwr: Are you facing any problems with Optimus Technology cards?
[20:35] <Samtodd> bus 002 device 007: ID 0eb7:0197
[20:36] <Samtodd> I don't know for sure which is pedals and which is wheel.
[20:36] <K21> HOla+
[20:36] <Samtodd> but they both end with Endor AG which is the company
[20:36] <K21> alguien en español
[20:36] <riobe> Is there a way to change the Alt+F2 hotkey to run a single command in Ubuntu?
[20:36] <basketball> what is the rtcwake command to have computer wake at 5 20 pm every week day
[20:36] <pavlos> !es | K21
[20:37] <K21>  ubottu
[20:37] <Samtodd> reisio?
[20:37] <Coihue> k21, aca
[20:37] <w4|k3r> K21: that's the ubuntu channel bot
[20:37] <K21> Coihue
[20:38] <K21> ?
[20:38] <Coihue> En que te puedo ayudar?
[20:38] <K21> porfin
[20:38] <K21> mira
[20:38] <K21> eske quiero enlazar irc con centerim
[20:38] <K21> pero en un servidor cryptocat!!
[20:39] <IdleOne> K21, Coihue Please use #ubuntu-es if you wish to speak in Spanish
[20:39] <K21> IdleOne
[20:39] <Coihue> (servidor) esta lejos de mi conocimiento, je mejor estra en #ubuntu-es es lento, pero hay gente que sabe de todo
[20:39] <K21> ok
[20:39] <K21> help me
[20:40] <K21> ok
[20:40] <K21> gracias
[20:43] <kux> Is there an easy way to learn about partitioning?
[20:43] <Samtodd> reisio?
[20:45] <reisio> Samtodd: heya
[20:45] <reisio> kux: sure
[20:45] <riobe> kux: How about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition
[20:45] <kux> Thanks!
[20:46] <Bashing-om> jkbbwr: See my last, Regret the inadvertent paste ! see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2181869 IF you are of optimus technology .
[20:46] <Samtodd> bus 002 device 007: ID 0eb7:0197 Endor AG
[20:46] <reisio> Bashing-om: hrmm?
[20:46] <reisio> Samtodd: is the pedals?
[20:46] <Samtodd> bus 002 Device 008: ID 0eb7:1839 Endor AG
[20:46] <Samtodd> I don't know which is the pedals
[20:47] <nimittc> hi
[20:47] <reisio> Samtodd: how many cables for the wheel and pedals both?
[20:47] <reisio> nimittc: hi
[20:47] <Samtodd> One USB cable for the wheel, and One usb cable for the pedals
[20:47] <Samtodd> two seperate cables
[20:47] <reisio> sep-a-rate
[20:47] <Bashing-om> reisio: Lot's I do not know in general // and I do make mistakes ! .. in respect to 670m (mobility) could be optimus.
[20:47] <reisio> lots*
[20:48] <reisio> Bashing-om: what do you need to know?
[20:48] <reisio> Samtodd: can you paste the output of lsusb in its entirety?
[20:48] <Samtodd> yeah
[20:48] <Samtodd> root@Ubuntu14:~# lsusb
[20:48] <Samtodd> Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0cf3:3005 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR3011 Bluetooth
[20:48] <Samtodd> Bus 002 Device 008: ID 0eb7:1839 Endor AG
[20:48] <Samtodd> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0eb7:0197 Endor AG
[20:48] <Samtodd> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 046d:c517 Logitech, Inc. LX710 Cordless Desktop Laser
[20:48] <unopaste> Samtodd you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[20:48] <reisio> Samtodd: sorry, I meant at a pastebin, like dpaste.com
[20:49] <Samtodd> Sorry
[20:49] <Bashing-om> reisio: In respect to jkbbwr's request for assistance in getting a driver loaded for his 670m card .. depends on wheather it is oprimus or not. I know of no means to aid if we can not boot ubuntu to see.
[20:49] <Samtodd> reisio, that is it in its entirety
[20:50] <reisio> Bashing-om: ah
[20:50] <reisio> Samtodd: four lines?
[20:50] <Samtodd> no
[20:50] <Samtodd> reisio, they all showed up on my screen before I got muted.
[20:51] <reisio> Samtodd: unfortunately your screen isn't mine :) dpaste.com
[20:51] <Samtodd> http://dpaste.com/2X8JGFF
[20:53] <Bashing-om> jkbbwr: What we might do is look in bios and see what graphics are available, maybe you have both Intel and Nvidia ? // disabl;e say the Intel in bios and boot up with Nvidia -> nomodeset as a boot parameter ?
[20:55] <Samtodd> reisio, http://dpaste.com/2X8JGFF
[20:58] <reisio> Samtodd: endor?
[20:58] <Samtodd> Yes
[21:01] <reisio> Samtodd: is that the wheel and pedals?
[21:02] <Samtodd> reisio, Yes
[21:02] <Samtodd> reisio, I don't know which is which, but they are both there.
[21:06] <Samtodd> reisio, 1839 is the pedals
[21:06] <Samtodd> reisio, 0eb7:1839 that one is the pedals
[21:08] <BuckWheat> jeeze louizze the place is crowded
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh how crowded...
[21:08] <StarKat> 1600 people
[21:09] <BuckWheat> dang thats a lotta people
[21:09] <Samtodd> and no one is talking
[21:09] <BuckWheat> amazing
[21:10] <Beldar> !ot | BuckWheat
[21:10] <BuckWheat> must be something going on like their might just be other rooms
[21:11] <BuckWheat> dang I got a funny looking hat too
[21:13] <reisio> best sort
[21:14] <Samtodd> well reisio, Are we going to troubleshoot this or not?
[21:32] <Guido1> Hello, Iḿ searching for a shortcut. normaly the is a button which can be used as alternative for the right click of the mouse, but what is the shortcutr if this buutton is missing?
[21:33] <reisio> Guido1: could use xdotool click 2
[21:34] <Guido1> reisio: there is an alteranntive shortcut which i somtimes activate by accident, but i don know how
[21:35]  * reisio shrugs
[21:35] <reisio> ask ##linux
[21:36] <atlarge> Hey I want to make a partition on a hard drive then put ubuntu image on it and make it bootable. Is that possible? and if it is, how do I do it?
[21:36] <reisio> atlarge: what would the partition be for?
[21:36] <reisio> hiding it?
[21:37] <atlarge> reisio no for installing on a bigger partition on the harddrive...
[21:37] <eeee> Guido1: press the left mouse button
[21:37] <reisio> atlarge: mmm
[21:37] <thestroke> hello
[21:37] <eeee> (hold it, and press the other button next to the right alt)
[21:37] <Guido1> eeee: i want an alterantive for the mouse
[21:37] <eeee> and you get a "right click)
[21:37] <reisio> atlarge: partition, put the image there, install and configure a boot loader
[21:38] <atlarge> reisio, thats all i have to do?
[21:38] <atlarge> reisio, i'm on a netbook that's why.
[21:38] <reisio> atlarge: that's why what?
[21:38] <reisio> GRUB can boot an image, you just have to configure it properly
[21:39] <reisio> tuts abound
[21:39] <atlarge> reisio, there's no disk drive and I want to install ubuntu
[21:39] <atlarge> reisio, i see
[21:39] <reisio> atlarge: you could use a usb stick
[21:39] <reisio> atlarge: but how would you make the partition?
[21:40] <atlarge> using disks on fedora
[21:40] <reisio> oh okay
[21:40] <reisio> how'd you get fedora on there? :p
[21:41] <atlarge> reisio, i have an ehdd that i installed it on lol
[21:42] <reisio> atlarge: ehdd?
[21:44] <reisio> atlarge: lose some fingers in an accident or something? :p
[21:45] <reisio> atlarge: probably however you installed Fedora would also work to install Ubuntu
[21:45] <reisio> on the internal disk as well
[21:56] <mystronyx> Is there a way to use the Cheese Edge visual effect for web camming?
[21:56] <mystronyx> Only options I see are to take a photo or record a video.
[21:59] <maxterlyn> looooooooooooooooool
[21:59] <maxterlyn> test
[21:59] <maxterlyn> LMAO
[21:59] <maxterlyn> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[22:00] <rancato>   /load.xchat2/budus.so
[22:02] <rancato> XChat:  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[22:05] <confused889> ive got a folder with a name of 9 random letters and numbers and size of 770mb but i cant ls it or rm it. if i do the ls or rm just sit reading/writting the hard non stop. iam using 14.04
[22:06] <gbear14275> hey guys trying to get a remote desktop working with remnia... having some issues.  I have remote ssh working.  Can anyone give me a hand?
[22:07] <gbear14275> under the basic settings... server should be their IP address correct?  Do I need a port?
[22:08] <gbear14275> and do I leave domain blank?
[22:08] <gbear14275> I keep on getting a unable to connect
[22:09] <gbear14275> tried to follow this how-to but they switched mid thread to using x11vnc and never got it working >-(
[22:11] <knob> Hello everyone.
[22:12] <gbear14275> Hello knob
[22:12] <knob> Got more n00b questions.   I have been trying to get this to work for the past hour.      I plugged in a USB drive which was formatted in Windows
[22:12] <knob> Helo gbear
[22:12] <knob> gbear14275,
[22:12] <know1_2> confused889: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/6648/change-directory-by-inode
[22:12] <knob> It has automounted in ubuntu as Read-Only
[22:12] <knob> I have tried various things... yet, can't get it to work.
[22:12] <gbear14275> knob what are you trying to do?
[22:12] <knob> Any idea what I can do/try?
[22:13] <knob> gbear14275, I would like to copy/paste/remove/delete/modify files inside the usb drive.     I tried to umount /dev/sdb1
[22:13] <knob> Then mount it again and do chown me:me
[22:13] <knob> yet nothing
[22:13] <knob> I am an ubuntu n00b, so maybe there is a simple way to do this.
[22:13] <gbear14275> you using terminal or desktop?...
[22:13] <knob> Preparing for re-formatting the drive, I already backed everything up.   So I can format it no problem.
[22:13] <k1l> knob: could be some hardware failure from that drive. see "dmesg" what it says after you plugged that in
[22:14] <knob> gbear14275, desktop, yet if you tell me terminal, it would be awesome.   I like to know what is going on behind the scenes
[22:14] <gbear14275> well I can only offer amateur advice... when you plug in the usb drive it should open using the file browser on the desktop
[22:14] <gbear14275> should plug and play
[22:14] <knob> demsg says a couple of things, yet it does say towards the end:      FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)
[22:14] <confused889> know1_2 i can get inside it but cant list it
[22:15] <technocf> I'm getting this issue with starting tmux from a script on Ubuntu Server 14.04... http://pastebin.com/xXUNZqdf
[22:15] <k1l> knob: if you are unsure about the dmesg output out all that into a pastebin and show the link here
[22:15] <knob> gbear14275, I know... yet... not sure what happened with this one.
[22:15] <knob> k1l, ok... one sec
[22:16] <knob> k1l, http://pastebin.com/ihAHxq1t
[22:16] <k1l> knob: FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[22:17] <knob> k1l, ok... I did that, and I *think*  I picked the right options.   There were like 3-4 things to "fix".... I am going to run it again now, and tell you what it says:
[22:17] <knob> First question, it is telling me there are differences between boot sector and its backup.      Copy original to backup?   Backup to original?   No action?
[22:17] <k1l> knob: sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[22:18] <knob> Yep... that's what I Did.    Finally learned to use sudo  :)
[22:20] <k1l> knob: 1
[22:20] <know1_2> confused889: fsck the disk?
[22:21] <confused889> know1_2 yup no problems with it
[22:21] <confused889> did a fsck -f
[22:21] <knob> k1l, I answered three fixes from fsck, and the problem is (I think) that it ends with   "Leaving file system unchanged."    I would believe because it is mounted as read-only?
[22:22] <k1l> knob: unmount it first
[22:22] <knob> okok
[22:22] <k1l> knob: and then run fsck with "-r" for repair
[22:23] <gbear14275> anyone able to help a new remnia user?  Having rdp problems
[22:23] <know1_2> confused889: Try "find . -maxdepth 1 -type d" in the dir
[22:23] <confused889> the weird think is when ls -l it say it folder/dir but it shows the size to it not just 4096
[22:23] <confused889> *thing
[22:24] <knob> k1l, ok, did that.   It repaired the errors (three total).
[22:24] <confused889> know1_2: did that just got . and just keeps reading
[22:24] <know1_2> confused889: "file <directory thing>" ?
[22:24] <Bashing-om> knob: My advise, FAT-fsNTFS = Windows. linux does have limited cababilities to cope with NTFS ( anad maybe fat) .. but the better tools are to use the native tools. Use Windows to "safely" unmount the drive, and use windows to do the disk check.
[22:25] <confused889> know1_2: Cnz5yZgKIA: directory
[22:25] <TJ-> confused889: it is possible there's a circular sym-link in the directory.
[22:25] <knob> Bashing-om, thanks man.  I already backed up all contents of the drive,... so I would be happy to format it fully (with a Windows-compatible option)
[22:26] <confused889> TJ-: link to its self type thing?
[22:26] <knob> k1l, I remounted the drive as    mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb                  and it mounted... yet it is still Read-Only
[22:26] <TJ-> confused889: possibly. see if you can find any/all symlinks to check them, using "find /path/to/dir -type l -ls"
[22:27] <Bashing-om> knob: Window might be able to fix ? - ager ubuntu 'fsck[ O realy do not know, .. and NTFS format had become universal ..
[22:27] <Bashing-om> ager/after
[22:27] <k1l> knob: see dmesg again after unplugging
[22:28] <know1_2> TJ- find's default behaviour should no-follow, so it should have returned
[22:28] <confused889> TJ-:  ls -lh doesnt showing it linking to anything
[22:28] <gbear14275> anyone successfully rdp into a new 14.04 machine yet?
[22:28] <gbear14275> over then internet
[22:29] <confused889> if i try and do anything thing with dir just wont stop reading till a ctrl c
[22:31] <ouyes> Is there anybody that knows how to safely remove floppy after unmount the floppy?
[22:31] <knob> k1l, dang... I ran fsck -r /dev/sdb1         performed repairs.       I then unplugged, re-plugged... and      dmesg is still telling me      FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[22:31] <ouyes> I see the indicator lights of the floppy is still on
[22:31] <reisio> ouyes: press the button?
[22:31] <k1l> ouyes: eject
[22:31] <reisio> ouyes: if 'mount' says it isn't mounted, that's all there is
[22:32] <ouyes> reisio, eject command doesn't work
[22:32] <reisio> also, get yourself a usb stick :p
[22:32] <reisio> ouyes: I didn't say eject
[22:32] <know1_2> confused889: how long you let ls go before killing it?
[22:32] <ogrgkyle> Hello.  What's the smallest Ubuntu distro?  Lubuntu?
[22:32] <k1l> ouyes: floppy drives got a button to eject
[22:32] <ouyes> k1l, eject command does not work
[22:32] <reisio> ogrgkyle: mostly
[22:32] <k1l> ouyes: where is the issue at all?
[22:32] <reisio> ouyes: press the button next to the drive opening
[22:33] <technocf> Any one got any ideas for why this is happening, using Ubuntu 14.04 server... http://pastebin.com/xXUNZqdf
[22:33] <confused889> know1_2: over half an hour
[22:33] <reisio> technocf: why what is happening?
[22:33] <ouyes> k1l, when I press the button, I heard a sound, it seems the drive is still reading on the floppy
[22:33] <technocf> The pastebin shows
[22:33] <k1l> ouyes: there are other smaller desktops in the repos like awesome etc, but lubunut is the most lightwight iso. you could run the mini iso
[22:33] <confused889> though it would be enough seening as it was claming 770mb
[22:33] <ouyes> do you guys remember, how do you remove your usb drive?
[22:33] <reisio> ouyes: hrmm?
[22:34] <technocf> reisio: The issue is here Any one got any ideas for why this is happening, using Ubuntu 14.04 server... http://pastebin.com/xXUNZqdf
[22:34] <technocf> reisio: http://pastebin.com/xXUNZqdf **
[22:34] <ouyes> k1l, reisio I am running lubuntu right now, when we remove usb device, we will do unmount and eject or safely remove then hardware unplug right?
[22:35] <k1l> ouyes: is it unmounted?
[22:35] <ouyes> k1l, yes
[22:35] <k1l> ouyes: what now? you told its a floppy? now its a usb drive?
[22:35] <k1l> ouyes: unmount it, remove it, done
[22:36] <ouyes> k1l, I mean the way we remove the floppy should be the same as we remove some usb device. unmount, eject or safely remove then hardware remove.
[22:36] <know1_2> coufused889: Could this have been a zip bomb?
[22:38] <confused889> know1_2:  i dont think so.
[22:38] <knob> Wow... I still can not get this to work.
[22:38] <knob> Can I just nuke this usb?
[22:38] <knob> I don't care anymore.   I just want to start from scratch.   How do I delete everything and just start from zero?   I can't believe it doesn't work.
[22:38] <k1l> knob: use gparted
[22:38] <TJ-> confused889: how about limiting the depth of the search? "find /path/to/dir -maxdepth 1" ... then 2 ... 3 ... etc. See at which point it hangs for the long period
[22:38] <k1l> knob: its a gui tool for partitioning
[22:40] <confused889> TJ-: find Cnz5yZgKIA -maxdepth 1 - its just reading non stop and no files reported
[22:40] <TJ-> confused889: Definitely a bad file-system then, sounds like circular inodes or similar
[22:41] <TJ-> confused889: Have you checked the kernel logs in case the underlying hardware is reporting failures?
[22:41] <freezer> penises?
[22:41] <knob> Ok, k1l , I just deleted the partition with gparted... apply.   Created a new partition, apply.       Now when I run dmesg, it tells  me volume was not properly unmounted.    I think this might be physically damaged?
[22:42] <TJ-> confused889: also, whilst 'find' is running, what does "ps -efly | grep find" show for the state of the 'find ...' process itself?
[22:42] <k1l> knob: yep. i think that drive is gone
[22:42] <knob> k1l, here is the new dmesg: http://pastebin.com/jZztiKC1
[22:42] <knob> Wow... odd.   Appeared to be a good drive.
[22:42] <knob> =\
[22:43] <confused889> TJ-: 3692  3458  3  80   0 220220 57472 sleep_ 23:39 pts/14  00:00:05 find Cnz5yZgKIA -maxdepth 1
[22:43] <confused889> TJ-: just did a tail on kernel.log nothing really
[22:44] <gbear14275> anyone willing to help me get rdp running?  Tried using remnia but no uck
[22:44] <gbear14275> have ssh on remote machine... trying to get rdp working or vnc... or any remote desktop functionality
[22:44] <riobe> Is there a good tutorial for getting started coding C++ on Linux (Ubuntu) without an IDE? I'm used to Visual Studio, but there seems to be a strong bias towards the shell for coding in Linux.
[22:46] <presonic> i have a windows 7 box with a partition that uses the entire drive, if i boot from ubuntu install cd, will i be able to resize it for a linux partition?
[22:46] <ObrienDave> yes
[22:46] <presonic> k thanks
[22:47] <ObrienDave> the installer will ask you if you want to install alongside Win7. it should give you the option to define how much you want to dedicate to Linux
[22:48] <confused889> bugger. guess delete partion and start again
[22:48] <TJ-> confused889: Interesting... 'find' is in 'sleep' state ?
[22:48] <confused889> TJ-: yup but hard hasnt stop readding
[22:48] <confused889> *hdd
[22:49] <knob> Ok, please help.   This is ridiculous.       I took another different USB drive... I plugged it into my computer.  ubuntu automounted it.     It is read-only.
[22:49] <TJ-> confused889: 'sleep' is usual when the kernel is waiting for the hardware I/O to complete
[22:49] <knob> I deleted the partition via gparted, I created a new partition.... I mounted it... and it is read-only
[22:49] <knob> What the heck is going on?
[22:49] <knob> This can't be
[22:50] <confused889> TJ-: weird. its reading... well the hdd light hasnt gone off.
[22:51] <knob> help
[22:51] <TJ-> confused889: If I were you, I'd reboot, then run the SMART tests on the drive to ensure it is healthy (smartmontools package, "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdx" )
[22:52] <confused889> TJ-: ok mate. will do. cheers and thanks to know1_2 as well.
[22:52] <knob> The destination is read-only
[22:53] <ObrienDave> what FS is on the USB?
[22:53] <riobe> Can you change the Alt+F2 hotkey to something else on Unity in Ubuntu? When I go to Keyboard->shortcuts in system settings I don't see it there to change.
[22:54] <ObrienDave> i owe, i owe, it's off to work i go. l8r
[22:55] <knob> Wow...  still not working.   I tried       sudo chown knob:knob /media/usb
[22:55] <knob> nothing
[22:55] <knob> =\
[22:58] <Bashing-om> knob: I know little about fat filesyatem, but this much, can not impose linuc (chmown) on a Windows File system. That is done in the mounting. As you are not mounting from /etc/fstab, I do not know what else to advise but to explicitly mount the in /etc/fstab file.
[22:58] <Bashing-om> lonuc/linux*
[22:58] <knob> Bashing-om, ok, yet the odd thing is I deleted the partition completely.  Killed it with gparted.   Then re-formatted ext2
[22:58] <knob> or ext3 I don't know
[22:59] <knob> So it is not windows file system anymore...
[22:59] <knob> This is so frustratiing... I can't understand wtf is up.
[23:00] <mtn> knob: what does ls -la /media/usb show?
[23:00] <Bashing-om> knob: the ext family, should workie great, I agree... so what - with a USB drive plugged in-  is in the directory /media ?
[23:01] <knob> mtn, it shows a single directory inside the usb, which was created when I formatted with gparted.   It is called lost+found
[23:01] <TJ-> knob: what's the device name (e.g. /dev/sdc1) ?
[23:01] <knob> yet the owner is root:rrot
[23:01] <knob> root:root
[23:01] <knob> Bashing-om, yet, it is in  /media/usb                 and physically in   /dev/sdb1
[23:01] <mtn> knob: how about /media/usb itself? owned by root, perhaps?
[23:02] <knob> checked, and  /media/usb is owned by  knob:knob
[23:02] <TJ-> knob: can you pastebin this output? "for n in /sys/block/sdb/sdb1/*; do [ -f $n ] && echo "$n $(cat $n)"; done | pastebinit" ?
[23:03] <knob> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753302/
[23:06] <TJ-> knob: OK, that all looks good
[23:07] <TJ-> knob: how about "grep sdb1 /proc/mounts" ?
[23:07] <knob> That returns:    /dev/sdb1 /media/usb ext2 rw,relatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl 0 0
[23:08] <TJ-> knob: Ahhh... you've got ACLs enabled?
[23:09] <knob> I... I have no idea.   Apparently I do?
[23:09] <knob> What can I do?
[23:09] <knob> Tell me where he is... I am going to beat the crap out of it.
[23:10] <benzrf> yo
[23:10] <benzrf> how can i turn off sliding for workspaces
[23:10] <TJ-> knob: "facl /media/usb0 | pastebinit"
[23:10] <benzrf> so that it just jumps
[23:10] <TJ-> knob: typo! "getfacl /media/usb0 | pastebinit"
[23:11] <knob> TJ-, getfacl /media/usb0 | pastebinit
[23:11] <knob> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753341/
[23:11] <benzrf> h-help
[23:11] <TJ-> knob: does user 'aj' look correct as the owner?
[23:12] <knob> Yeah, that is me.
[23:12] <knob> =)
[23:12] <TJ-> knob: OK, that checks out then
[23:12] <benzrf> nvm i found it
[23:13] <edition> hi. I have a problem with printer hardware, that just wont work (!)
[23:13] <edition> I tried to install the Brother driver, but it prints blank pages
[23:15] <TJ-> knob: the obvious... what does "ls -ld /media/usb" report?
[23:15] <knob> drwxrwxrwx 3 aj aj 4096 Jul  5 18:50 /media/usb
[23:15] <knob> I did chmod 777 about 10 minutes ago trying to get it to work.  No dice.
[23:16] <TJ-> knob: OK, is that file-system currently (supposed) to be empty?
[23:17] <knob> TJ-, yes... I deleted the partition and created a new one about 15 mintues ago with gparted.
[23:17] <knob> The only thing that auto-popped in there was the lost+found  directory
[23:17] <TJ-> knob: OK, that is expected.
[23:17] <knob> not mine,... I would reckon ubuntu/linux standard?
[23:17] <knob> ok
[23:17] <edition> Brother printer drivers work in windows, but not in linux.
[23:17] <edition> why?
[23:18] <ProfessorKaos64> How do I blacklist modules in 14.04 ? I used to do it like this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/458611/blacklisting-nouveau-not-working-on-ubuntu-14-04
[23:18] <TJ-> knob: let's do a trace on trying to touch a file in there, then. "sudo strace -e trace=file touch /media/usb/test 2>&1 >/tmp/strace.touch.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/strace.touch.log"
[23:19] <dub54> Hi - is there anyway I can competely copy an install of unbuntu to another server? I did a load of work setting up something on a dev server and can't get it working on the new server
[23:19] <dub54> Something like how DigitalOcean lets you create a snapshot of a server and you can restore from that server?
[23:19] <dub54> snapshot*
[23:20] <jaith> i was trying to set up samhain for file integrity monitoring and it complained that /var/log is group-owned by syslog (rather than root as it used to be in 12.04). Can anyone tell me why this is the case?
[23:22] <knob> Ok, back.  Sorry TJ- , power went out locally.
[23:22] <TJ-> knob: did you miss my strace instructions?
[23:22] <knob> Yes sir... last I have is my line: knob> not mine,... I would reckon ubuntu/linux standard?
[23:23] <TJ-> knob: let's do a trace on trying to touch a file in there, then. "sudo strace -e trace=file touch /media/usb/test 2>&1 >/tmp/strace.touch.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/strace.touch.log"
[23:23] <zeroke> #dutchnano
[23:25] <knob> TJ-, hmm... the .log was created, yet it has zero size...
[23:25] <knob> should I use quotes around the first command?
[23:26] <TJ-> knob: oops! my typo. got the order of the redirects wrong."sudo strace -e trace=file touch /media/usb/test >/tmp/strace.touch.log 2>&1"
[23:27] <knob> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753401/
[23:27] <knob> I thought it was quotes... haha... little by little I learn more =)
[23:28] <TJ-> knob: OK, so that worked correctly as root
[23:28] <knob> Ok... should I run it as... regular duderino?
[23:29] <TJ-> knob: now let's try it as your regular user... "strace -e trace=file touch /media/usb/test2 >/tmp/strace.touch.2.log 2>&1"
[23:30] <knob> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753413/
[23:30] <TJ-> knob: that worked too ... you can write to that directory
[23:30] <knob> wtheck
[23:30] <TJ-> knob: so, what command have you been using that is failing?
[23:31] <knob> TJ-, thank you very much for your help so far!     Ok, what has been failing has been   drag-and-drop via the GUI
[23:31] <knob> I didn't think to do something via command line... sorry about that.
[23:31] <knob> And thank you for your help so far.    I feel kind of dumb now.
[23:31] <knob> Yet via drag-n-drop... not cooperating
[23:32] <edition> why doesn't Blender printer driver work with linux?
[23:32] <TJ-> knob: aha!
[23:32] <TJ-> knob: have you tried a log-out/log-in sequence?
[23:32] <knob> No... should I ?   I'll do it now?
[23:33] <modernbob> service smbd restart  <-- is wrong for ubuntu 14.04
[23:33] <NthDegree> modernbob: service samba restart? :|
[23:33] <NthDegree> modernbob: either that or omit the d
[23:35] <knob> TJ-, I logged out... in... and now it's working via the GUI  with drag-n-drop
[23:35] <knob> amazing
[23:35] <knob> What gives?   A bug?
[23:35] <modernbob> NthDegree: thanks..not sure samba is running
[23:36] <NthDegree> modernbob: `netstat -anp` as root (sans quotes)
[23:36] <TJ-> knob: did you add your user to new groups or similar?
[23:36] <NthDegree> modernbob: may need to do: netstat -anp | less
[23:36] <knob> Hmm... well, not within this session.
[23:36] <NthDegree> modernbob: it will show you if port 445 is open and samba is running ;-p
[23:37] <TJ-> knob: I suspect though, the most likely cause, is that the GVFS (virtual file system) didn't spot the changes you made to the mount point
[23:37] <knob> Actually TJ-, I did all the mount/umount, via  sudo su    and as root
[23:37] <TJ-> knob: at least you're sorted !
[23:37] <knob> Dude, I am golden.   Thank you very much sir.  =)     Thank you!
[23:38] <modernbob> NthDegree: no smbd
[23:43] <[1]hypergrove> i am seeing a problem with my config. I need php 5.4.28 to run on this system, so I am making it. I am following directions http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHP-FPM which caused me to configure with --enable-fpm.  However, I do not see a binary called /etc/php-fpm, rather I find it in /usr/local/sbin ... should I move this to /etc or /etc/init.d?
[23:43] <NthDegree> modernbob: is samba-server installed? :|
[23:45] <[1]hypergrove> when i do service --status-all, I do not see php-fpm in the list, though I know its running because when I start it manually just now, it tells me it is already running
[23:48] <edition> I can't get Brother printer driver to work...
[23:50] <edition> tried to use the CUPS driver, but still getting blank pages.
[23:51] <modernbob> samba refuses to start
[23:51] <edition> printer driver fails to work
[23:51] <raspberrypifan> modernbob: have you tried bossa nova instead
[23:51] <modernbob> raspberrypifan: never heard of it
[23:52] <raspberrypifan> jeje sorry