[00:16] <xubuntu982> hello?
[00:17] <ObrienDave> yes?
[00:17] <xubuntu982> Just saying hi. I dont use IRC ever. I'm installing Xubuntu for the first time
[00:18] <malcom_> welcome :)
[00:18] <xubuntu982> thanks!
[00:18] <ObrienDave> ok, LOL welcome to Xubuntu
[00:18] <xubuntu982> Ok, I have a Q
[00:18] <ObrienDave> just ask
[00:19] <xubuntu982> when partitioning - what is the diff between a logical and primary and which should your / partition be?
[00:20] <ObrienDave> you are allowed 4 primary partitions per physical disk......
[00:20] <xubuntu982> ahhh, I see
[00:20] <ObrienDave> you can have many logical partitions in each primary partition
[00:20] <xubuntu982> Do you have to have a primary, or can they all be logcal?\
[00:20] <ObrienDave> yes, you must have at least one primary partition
[00:21] <xubuntu982> ok, thanks
[00:21] <ObrienDave> logical partitions must exist within a primary partition
[00:22] <ObrienDave> you can have one primary partition without logical partitions
[00:22] <ObrienDave> you can NOT have logical partitions without a primary
[00:23] <ObrienDave> i should say yoy can have up to 4 primary partitions without logical
[00:23] <ObrienDave> *you
[00:24] <malcom_> good info
[03:03] <jayjee> Hi
[03:04] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[03:05] <jayjee> i'm looking for ways to remove a few unneeded themes, icons etc.
[03:06] <jayjee> Like using this command to remove unity (section c clean): https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/alternative
[03:07] <jayjee> Would appreciate any help with it.
[03:07] <jayjee> New to linux and running it in virtualbox but, now i'm running out of disk space.
[03:07] <jayjee> Hello ObrienDave, Thanks for your greetings.
[03:08] <ObrienDave> well, you can't change the size of the VM disk without re-defining the disk. and you're welcome
[03:11] <ObrienDave> which disk is getting low on space? real HD or VM disk?
[03:11] <jayjee> ObrienDave: I'm actually less on my computer hard disk space. I have 120GB HD and only 20GB left. So i don't have option to redefine vm mem allocation. So the option i'm looking is to remove some unneeded themes.
[03:12] <ObrienDave> ok, but you would still have to re-define the VM disk to make it smaller
[03:14] <jayjee> Yep, i did fixed allocation for VM so not problem for HD space. I'm actually running out of VM disk space.
[03:14] <holstein> jayjee: that really wont reclaim much space.. larger media files will
[03:14] <ObrienDave> all of your Ubuntu install is in one VM disk file. then that command should help. no guarantees
[03:16] <ObrienDave> did you define the VM disk as static or dynamic?
[03:16] <jayjee> ObrienDave: I defined VM disk as static.
[03:17] <ObrienDave> ok, the VM is a fixed size. you should be able to run that command and clear some VM space. ymmv
[03:18] <jayjee> Apologies, for the confusion. I mentioned it as disk space in my initial question, i should have mentioned it as VM space.
[03:18] <jayjee> ObrienDave: Thank you, would give a try.
[03:19] <ObrienDave> not to worry, let us know how it goes for you. welcome
[03:19] <holstein> jayjee: regardless, removing some icons and themes are a way to just cause issues.. not clear up disk space
[03:21] <jayjee> holstein: Oh! i see.
[03:24] <ObrienDave> jayjee, that command is for clearing Unity AFTER installing xubuntu-desktop
[03:24] <jayjee> holstein: I actually ran the command by the time i saw your note. Anyhow, would take a note of your point. Would erase and reinstall the VM copy if something goes wrong.
[03:25] <jayjee> ObrienDave, holstein : It cleared 41MB space. Guess, not much. :)
[03:26] <ObrienDave> probably not as much as you would have liked :)
[03:27] <holstein> large media files..
[03:27] <jayjee> ObrienDave, Yep not much.
[03:29] <jayjee> holstein, Does Xubuntu come with large media files, i looked for them already but did not find any.
[03:30] <jayjee> But i'm really liking xubuntu. Its been just 2 days of use.
[03:30] <ObrienDave> no, Xubuntu does not come with large media files
[03:30] <ObrienDave> i'm on Xubuntu now
[03:31] <jayjee> I have tried Ubuntu, Linux lite and multiple other ubuntu themes but my VM with allocated space couldn't handle.
[03:31] <jayjee> ObrienDave, me too. :)
[03:32] <jayjee> ObrienDave, holstein, have you checked Linux lite theme ?
[03:32] <holstein> jayjee: theming is *not* going to save you much space
[03:32] <ObrienDave> i've tried most of the debian based distros. i keep coming back to Xubuntu
[03:32] <holstein> jayjee: chaning desktop really wouldnt even do that.. the best you can do is look at what you have personally added to the machine and clear out media files
[03:33] <jayjee> Linux lite looks really beautiful. But, it wasn't stable and i have a long way to go before i can fix them myself.
[03:34] <jayjee> holstein, yep, got it. would look for them and may be some softwares too.
[03:35] <jayjee> Have you tried USB booting on MAC ?
[03:35] <ObrienDave> not me
[03:35] <holstein> i used plop on mine
[03:35] <jayjee> I have old 512MB flash drive and i thought to make use of it. It boots to EIF but give unaligned point 0x2 error.
[03:36] <jayjee> Tried with puppy linux and Damn small linux, same error.
[03:36] <holstein> error? you mean, you cant boot usb on the mac?
[03:36] <holstein> thats not an error.. they dont boot USB, AFAIK
[03:36] <jayjee> when i do alt/option start i can see the Flash drive - EIF.
[03:37] <holstein> but, i use plop, which boots from CD, and can typically facilitate booting usb
[03:37] <jayjee> It them gives me to enter 0, 1 to boot or modify booting option.
[03:37] <jayjee> I do 0
[03:37] <holstein> jayjee: i literaly put the plop CD in the mac, boot the cd, select the USB, and boot it
[03:38] <jayjee> holstein, i see.
[03:38] <jayjee> I have macbook pro 2013. It doesn't have CB ROM anymore.
[03:38] <jayjee> CD*
[03:39] <jayjee> Kernel path: /live/vmlinuz | ramdisc path: /live/initrd.lz  boot parameters:  Loading Linux kernel... done unaligned pointer 0x2. Aborted.
[03:39] <ObrienDave> jayjee, 512mb might be a bit small to run any ubuntu distro except for the net install. i think it's a 4gb minimum
[03:40] <jayjee> ObrienDave, oh, i see.
[03:40] <holstein> you can always take the drive out and just maintain it on another machine with usb or cd boot
[03:40] <jayjee> Gotcha.
[03:43] <jayjee> Thanks a lot for your guidance, ObrienDave and holstein.
[03:45] <ObrienDave> most welcome jayjee, let us know how it goes for you
[03:48] <jayjee> sure ObrienDave, would stick around here going forward.
[03:49] <ObrienDave> we'll be here :))
[12:05] <SamwiseGamgee> How come xubuntu cannot recognize any of my webcams?
[12:06] <SamwiseGamgee> There is not even anything in the Settings that displays web cameras
[12:07] <SamwiseGamgee> The Settings Manager has nothing to configure or examine webcams
[12:08] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee install cheese or ucview
[12:08] <SamwiseGamgee> The closest I can get in the Settings Manager is Removable Drives and Media
[12:10] <SamwiseGamgee> But it just says Import digital photos when connected, probably just for SLR cameras
[12:10] <SamwiseGamgee> I will try ucview, is that better than cheese?
[12:11] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee it's comparable
[12:12] <SamwiseGamgee> which one is better for Logitech cams?
[12:12] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee won't matter so long as you have the correct drivers for the cam
[12:13] <SamwiseGamgee> where do I get the drivers?
[12:13] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried adding and updating my drivers using the Settings Manager, but nothing worked
[12:13] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee start with the logitech site ... if no joy, we go to plan b.
[12:14] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried installing the drivers with the Wine Launcher
[12:14] <SamwiseGamgee> using my webcam's Windows installation CD
[12:14] <SamwiseGamgee> but that failed miserably
[12:15] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee well of course that failed ...
[12:15] <cfhowlett> :)
[12:15] <cfhowlett> good idea though
[12:15] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee do a search for your specific make + model + ubuntu
[12:16] <SamwiseGamgee> Just a google search?
[12:16] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee sure
[12:16] <SamwiseGamgee> It's Logitech HD Webcam C270
[12:17] <SamwiseGamgee> Once I find the right drivers, how do I install them?
[12:20] <SamwiseGamgee> There's a section in Settings Manager called "Additional Drivers" but it always says No Additional Drivers Available, even when I expanded with extra repositories
[12:20] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee do you have the cam plugged in and cheese installed?
[12:21] <SamwiseGamgee> the cam is plugged in
[12:21] <SamwiseGamgee> but I don't have cheese installed
[12:21] <SamwiseGamgee> does cheese provide drivers?
[12:22] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee you have no camera software installed.  I suggested 2 options ...
[12:23] <SamwiseGamgee> should't I get the drivers first, before I start installing software for my webcam?
[12:23] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee you're thinking MS Windows ... :)  get the damn camera software!
[12:24] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, how do I install cheese?
[12:24] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee software center ...
[12:25] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried installing software using the Software Centre several times before, and xubuntu doesn't even list the software available let alone show how to install software
[12:25] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee ehhhhhhhhh, bad news there chief:  https://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17665/related/1
[12:25] <SamwiseGamgee> I have another webcam that is older
[12:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, the Ubuntu Software Centre looks good
[12:28] <SamwiseGamgee> When I tried to install my Logitch webcam using the installationn CD, xubuntu told me my webcam is using a slow USB port
[12:29] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee right.  that doesn't mean it doesn't work ...
[12:29] <SamwiseGamgee> And the installation never went beyond that
[12:29] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee start cheese and test
[12:29] <cfhowlett> "installation CD"?    in ubuntu?
[12:30] <SamwiseGamgee> But I switched to two other USB ports and xubuntu still does not recognize my webcam
[12:30] <cfhowlett> "INSTALLATION CD" ????
[12:30] <SamwiseGamgee> No, it was a Windows installation CD
[12:30] <cfhowlett> STOP!
[12:31] <SamwiseGamgee> stop what?
[12:31] <cfhowlett> linux is not windows, windows is not linux.  stop trying to install windows in linux and expect your hardware to work.  your CD was NOT meant to linux.
[12:31] <cfhowlett> now:  plug in your cam.  start cheese.  test functionality.
[12:32] <SamwiseGamgee> I should try using cheese with the older webcam
[12:32] <SamwiseGamgee> the old webcam is lebeca
[12:32] <cfhowlett> plug in your logitech cam
[12:33] <SamwiseGamgee> the Logitech cam is already plugged in
[12:33] <cfhowlett> start cheese.   (I say again ...)
[12:33] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, shit, I should test the USB port first, I never used that port before
[12:35] <SamwiseGamgee> it's good
[12:43] <SamwiseGamgee> I installed cheese
[12:44] <SamwiseGamgee> the webcam still does not work
[12:45] <SamwiseGamgee> cheese says there was an error with my webcam video, but everything is dark
[12:45] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee so try the other cam
[12:45] <SamwiseGamgee> Cheese said, "There was an error playing video from the webcam"
[12:45] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[12:48] <SamwiseGamgee> the old lebeca cam works
[12:48] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee this page will be useful   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam#See%20also
[12:49] <SamwiseGamgee> I had to unplug the Logitech cam.  Plug in the lebeca cam, then relaunch cheese, and it worked, thanks
[12:50] <elfy> SamwiseGamgee: I'm not sure what you did with that logitech c270 webcam - but what I did was plug it in and use it - no need to do anything other than that - at least it works fine in14.04 and 14.10
[12:51] <cfhowlett> elfy yeah, there's conflicting info.  I saw several entries that it should plug and play.
[12:51] <SamwiseGamgee> My Logitech webcam was working before, when I was using Kubuntu 12.04
[12:51] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee if you haven't done so, make sure whatever you were doing in .wine has been completely purged.  Otherwise: conflict
[12:52] <SamwiseGamgee> But sometimes it did not work, and I never had any webcam software when I was using Kubuntu
[12:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Damn, yeah, I think xubuntu told me there was a serious error after I had tried to install the Webcam Installation software from the CD
[12:53] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee sounds like you might have created your own issues.
[12:54] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee  purge all the .wine configuration files
[12:54] <SamwiseGamgee> How do you purge that stuff from Wine?
[12:54] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee wine > uninstall wine software
[12:54] <SamwiseGamgee> is there a specific command line for that?
[12:54] <SamwiseGamgee> But I am using Wine for BabasChess
[12:55] <SamwiseGamgee> and BabasChess is working
[12:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I am also using Wine for Netflix and Firefox
[12:57] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee had you tried the commmand I suggested, you would see that you can selectively modify/remove programs, e.g. logitech drivers ...
[12:58] <SamwiseGamgee> which command was that?
[12:59] <SamwiseGamgee> Uninstall?
[15:14] <zierka> hi. I installed xubuntu 14.04, and there are no icons in the menu (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2788150/Screenshot%20-%20050714%20-%2018%3A09%3A35.png). Clean install. Settings > Desktop > Menus tab > Show application icons in menu checked.
[19:17] <subz3r0> hey all
[19:17] <subz3r0> where can i change the touchpad config in xubuntu?
[19:18] <subz3r0> want to scroll with to fingers and turn on double click
[19:32] <PCFutbol> Configuration - Mouse and Touchpad
[19:32] <PCFutbol> Select touchpad and show a new task with options for the touchpad
[19:34] <IRL_> so...hi
[19:34] <PCFutbol> hi
[19:35] <IRL_> wow, someone responded, score
[19:35] <IRL_> what are you up to?
[19:36] <SonikkuAmerica> IRL_: Not much, but I can smell an !ot convo coming up, can we move it to #xubuntu-off topic please?
[19:38] <IRL_> gotchya
[19:38] <IRL_> appologies
[20:13] <subz3r0> hmm
[20:13] <subz3r0> arent firefox and thunderbird in the repos?
[20:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah...
[20:58] <Guido1> Hello, I have a little question. Where can I set up that I can move the windows in the to bar?
[20:59] <xangua> "Move the windows in the to bar"?
[21:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: The window list you mean?
[21:01] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: yes
[21:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Right click the panel, hit Panel Prefs, then go to the Items tab and drag and drop
[21:02] <Guido1> in 12 i could move the open windows imidiatly. is that not possible any more?
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh oh oh... Not the location I the panel, the window titles themselves
[21:03] <Guido1> yes
[21:04] <SonikkuAmerica> So instead of dragging and dropping, select the Window List in the Panel Items and hit the little gear in that column of buttons.
[21:06] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: ah, thanks :-)
[21:06] <SonikkuAmerica> The drag and drop isn't default but it's there. I like the grouping, it reminds me of XP
[21:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Welcome to XFCE 4.11
[21:08] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: i just like to have al windows related to study together and all related to media and all about comunication etc.
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> O
[21:09] <zierka> hi. I installed xubuntu 14.04, and the icons in the menu and in context menus are missing. pic: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2788150/Screenshot%20-%20050714%20-%2018%3A09%3A35.png . Clean install, Settings > Deskop > Menus tab > "Show applications icon in menu" ticked.
[21:32] <Guido1> Hello, Iḿ searching for a shortcut. normaly the is a button which can be used as alternative for the right click of the mouse, but what is the shortcutr if this buutton is missing?
[21:34] <sadhash> I'm so happy xubuntu exists
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Ís thís fór thé próblém yóú méñtíóñéd éárlíér?
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: ^
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> sadhash: So do I. There is finally sanity in the world.
[21:37] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: what exactly do you mean?
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: Can't right click with your mouse, so you can't change the setting I helped you find earlier?
[21:38] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: no, that worked out well
[21:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Pop into the Settings Manager from the Whisker menu and select Panel.
[21:38] <SonikkuAmerica> O... Did something happen to your mouse?
[21:39] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: iḿ just not using the mouse from my laptop su much, but buttons / keybord.
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. So you want to create a custom shortcut for it (like, e.g., Ctrl+click on Mac) for right click?
[21:40] <Guido1> normaly there is a button which equals the rightclick. itś between the right windows button and CTRL
[21:41] <Guido1> sadly this button is missing on my laptop, but there seam to be a shortcut which replaces it already, but i don know the shortcut
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, the Menu button!
[21:41] <Guido1> yes
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> (I was like whatonearthareyoutalkingabout)
[21:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Shift+F10?
[21:44] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: that works :-), but i have the idea that there is a second one - for me shift + F10 means Fn + shift + F10 and somtimes i activate the menu by accident ....
[21:46] <Guido1> something with buttons on the right, i think
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: Maybe your JEDI or BROS has an option for this...
[21:46] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: how cann i check that?
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Wait what... I meant UWFI and BIOS!
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> s/W/E/
[21:47] <Guido1> ah, okee, bios
[21:47] <Guido1> i will have a look there
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Use the force, Guido1
[21:47] <Guido1> thanks
[21:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Welcome you are
[21:48] <Guido1> the force? because of jedi?
[21:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep
[21:48] <Guido1> :-)
[22:11] <xubuntu868> hello
[22:11] <xubuntu868> just a question: it's there a ppa of xfce-4.12 for trusty, like the one for saucy? Thanks
[22:30] <ochosi> xubuntu868: it's not really necessary as most of 4.12 is already in 14.04
[23:10] <xubuntu868> ochosi: thanks
[23:42] <SamwiseGamgee> ImageMagick is almost slowing my PC to a halt, how to I kill the process on xubuntu 14.04?
[23:43] <SamwiseGamgee> It took way too long to boot up, then when it tried to access a PDF, it froze and is really slowing down my PC.  I can't exit it
[23:44] <SamwiseGamgee> How to I exit from ImageMagic or stop it from runnning?
[23:44] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: assuming the command is "convert", then in a terminal ''pkill convert''
[23:44] <SamwiseGamgee> Convert what?
[23:45] <SamwiseGamgee> It finally closed after almost 10 minutes
[23:45] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: ImageMagick have a couple of commands. the most common is "convert", so I assumed that. what command do you want to kill then?
[23:46] <SamwiseGamgee> What's the deal with ImagMagick?  Why is it so slow?
[23:46] <SamwiseGamgee> I managed to exit the program, ImageMagick, thank God
[23:46] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: it is not slow in general. what are you doing with it?
[23:47] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried to access a PDF file
[23:47] <SamwiseGamgee> Is that what caused ImageMagick to slow down so much?
[23:48] <SamwiseGamgee> It took almost ten minutes to boot up....it's the first time I tried using ImageMagick since I iinstallled xubuntu a few days ago
[23:50] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: "access"? I just converted a 1 page, 1.6 megabyte pdf do gif. it took 2 seconds.
[23:51] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: now I am converting a 24 page, 9.6 megabyte pdf to gif. it is not ready yet.
[23:51] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: not it finished, it took 2 minutes.
[23:53] <David-A> *now
[23:54] <yoLo_> what is the command to upgrade and install updates /
[23:54] <yoLo_> ?
[23:54] <SamwiseGamgee> What is Access?  Is it native to xubuntu?
[23:55] <yoLo_> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install update right ?
[23:55] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: no, I wondered what you meant "access a pdf" with ImageMagick?
[23:55] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: i did: convert filename.pdf filename.gif
[23:57] <David-A> yoLo_: the other way around update first, upgrade then
[23:57] <yoLo_> i should discard the "install" ?
[23:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Normally, I just open a PDF with a program like Adobe Acrobat
[23:58] <David-A> yoLo_: yes
[23:58] <SamwiseGamgee> So I assumed you were talking about a program similar to Adobe Acrobat
[23:58] <SamwiseGamgee> Does xubuntu have a program similar to Adobe Acrobat, you can use to open up PDFs, view them and manipulate them?
[23:58] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: what did you want ImageMagick to do with the pdf?
[23:59] <SamwiseGamgee> Open it up to view it
[23:59] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: xubuntu have a pdf viewer installed by default. it should be enough to just double click the pdf
[23:59] <yoLo_>  David-A have your linux prompt you to install linux-image-3..... something something updates ?