[00:29] <ianorlin> why can't you leave it on while you eat
[00:32] <phillw> ianorlin: I do that and come back to the HTTP proxy prompt and want to put my foot through the computer!
[00:33] <ianorlin> ah yeah that too
[00:48] <phillw> ianorlin: yup, I have to to the freezer and get some ice for the burn :)
[00:49] <phillw> s/to to/to go to/
[00:50] <phillw> mikubuntu: so, how did it go?
[00:50] <mikubuntu> just got a report on this new install that these programs: You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:  apt, apt-utils, gcc-4.9-base, gnupg, gpgv, iso-codes, libapt-inst1.5, libapt-pkg4.12, libc6, libgcc1, libsqlite3-0, libstdc++6, multiarch-support, python-six
[00:51] <mikubuntu> is this just a matter of running autoremove?
[00:51] <phillw> mikubuntu: that is to be expected, 14.04 goes 14.04.1 at the end of this month.
[00:52] <phillw> mikubuntu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:52] <mikubuntu> phillw: so it will be corrected in regular updates?
[00:53] <phillw> mikubuntu: 14.04 has had a lot of updates since it was created. There are several bug fixes for lubuntu and kernel upgrades from ubuntu. It will want to down load a lot.
[00:55] <mikubuntu> thx phillw  just ran your update command
[00:56] <phillw> mikubuntu: it will need a reboot, as you will have  new kernel. you may need to run that command more than once to pull it fully up to date... the kernel can only update as far as the firmware that it has. and repeat should be a lot faster. When it says 'nothing to do', you know you are up to date.
[00:58] <mikubuntu> ok will do
[00:58] <phillw> mikubuntu: as to why you have had so much grief installing? Pass.... 14.04 has installed okay with a couple of known bugs, but it has always installed. :/
[01:05] <phillw> mikubuntu: how is the update going?
[01:36] <phillw> mikubuntu: wb.... Dare I ask how it is going? I've stayed up late (02:36 am here).
[01:47] <mikubuntu> can't find where to set pref for screenlock (unlock i should say i don't want screen to keep locking when i walk away for a few mins)
[01:48] <phillw> mikubuntu: it is still a bug... I had it fixed, then got it back again... let me see if I can find the work around for you.
[01:49] <phillw> mikubuntu: have a try with http://askubuntu.com/questions/130808/stop-xscreensaver-from-locking-screen-once-screensaver-starts
[01:49] <phillw> in the meantime, is the little critter running oaky?
[01:50] <phillw> s/oaky/okay/
[01:50] <ianorlin> 14.04 uses lightlocker
[01:51] <phillw> ianorlin: indeed... but it still pretty broken!
[01:56] <tertu> Out of curiosity, is there a way to hide desktop icons on the second desktop when using a dual-monitor setup?
[01:58] <phillw> tertu: I've not found one yet... I'm guessing it is a decision that the devs had to take...
[01:58] <tertu> either that or some goofy openbox thing
[01:58] <ianorlin> pcmanfm draws the desktop and I don't know of an option to do it
[01:59] <ianorlin> openbox doesn't draw a desktop by itself
[01:59] <HypothesisFrog> Is there any way I can reduce the amount of disk space taken up? I only have 3gig, and it's almost run out already.
[01:59] <ianorlin> !mini
[01:59] <tertu> uh that's not the right answer
[01:59] <tertu> it doesn't shrink the size of the install
[02:00] <ianorlin> if you install less stuff it does
[02:00] <tertu> oh, there we go
[02:00] <phillw> indeed not, use the core install.
[02:00] <tertu> yeah that's the only way to do it
[02:00] <tertu> delete things you don't need
[02:00] <phillw> tertu: nah, don't install them in the 1st place
[02:01] <tertu> yes, if that is an option
[02:02] <phillw> tertu: HypothesisFrog there is indeed.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall and select core install, you can even grab a cut down browser from there...
[02:05] <phillw> tertu: I'm a member of the wiki team, as well as testing.... lubuntu has so many ways to install :)
[02:06] <tertu> that's cool
[02:06] <tertu> that this is an option
[02:11] <phillw> tertu: we even have a non-pae community edition for 14.04..... People are committed to low resource kit.
[02:17] <tertu> that's good to see at ubuntu.
[02:18] <phillw> tertu: the kernels I respun (with LOTS of help) are only currently being used by people via lubuntu / lxde.
[02:25] <phillw> tertu: anyways, nice to chat... I'm off to bed (03:25 am) here.
[02:29] <tertu> night!
[02:30] <HypothesisFrog> phillw so I have to reinstall?
[02:39] <phillw> HypothesisFrog: is your install refusing to run?
[02:40] <phillw> HypothesisFrog: or do you just want a really small foot-print?
[04:36] <HypothesisFrog> phillw well basically, I have an old eeepc with only 2.7Gig of hd space available. I couldn't get the desktop to come up  before, because there was no available hd space. I had to delete the cache to free up 280meg.
[04:48] <MilkMan> Topic
[04:50] <MilkMan> Hello
[04:58] <MilkMan> Hello
[05:09] <MilkMan> #lubuntu-offtopic
[05:17] <MilkMan> hello
[05:20] <MilkMan> hello
[05:20] <MilkMan> hello teward
[15:42] <phillw> HypothesisFrog: there is work in progress for a community edition of lubuntu based on an eeepc
[16:00] <tertu> does anybody know why i'd get massive graphical corruption when trying to run a source game on the rest of the visible display?
[16:00]  * ianorlin doesn't run source games so I can't help you which one specifiaclly team fortress 2?
[16:01] <tertu> garry's mod
[16:02] <tertu> i think they all run on approximately the same codebase though
[16:02] <ianorlin> it could also be a driver issue
[16:04] <tertu> that's probably it
[16:06] <tertu> i'll try installing a newer driver and seeing if that helps
[16:44] <alku> I am using lubuntu 14.04 on Dell E6400. Everything was working fine, today i noticed I am unable to update my system, the update manager vanishes as soon as I click 'update' button. If i go to users i am unable to delete existing or create new, the buttons don't seem to work
[16:58] <tertu> so after installing a newer driver it's better
[16:59] <tertu> it's still not perfect
[17:01] <comics_idees> any news from lubuntu
[17:02] <phillw> comics_idees: bugs continue to be squashed :)
[19:12] <comics_idees> I use an old pc is LXLE a better version than Lubuntu ?
[19:13] <holstein> comics_idees: "better" is always a matter of opinion and use case
[19:13] <holstein> lxle is based on ubuntu and/or lubuntu.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu, and has official support and use of all docs etc
[19:13] <phillw> comics_idees: LXLE uses slightly more resources than lubuntu, but the best way is try both and see which you prefer :) There are several community spins based around lubuntu
[19:14] <holstein> yup.. both have live CD's..
[19:14] <comics_idees> xm ok I give it a try
[19:15] <phillw> bentoo, amongst others also has LiveCD capability. I'll get the wiki page updated in the comming week and get our community spins more active in saying what they're about.
[19:19] <comics_idees> if I install the deepin package manager in Lubuntu will it become like LXLE?
[19:22] <holstein> comics_idees: i say, if youwant lxle, use lxle
[19:22] <holstein> comics_idees: there are many package managment tools available to ubuntu, and thus, lubuntu..
[19:24] <phillw> comics_idees: lxle --> http://lxle.net/  bento --> http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/ peppermint --> http://peppermintos.com/
[20:19] <comics_idees> how can I open an Lubuntu terminal and install LXLE with sudo apt-get-install?
[20:20] <holstein> comics_idees: ask them
[20:20] <holstein> comics_idees: lxle is not an ubuntu flavor, so, you will need to add whatever sources they suggest
[20:32] <comics_idees> well do you suggest to switch lubuntu to lxle to old computer or not?
[20:34] <holstein> comics_idees: i didnt suggest that, actually . i suggest, like phillw , that you look at the both and see for yourself
[20:34] <holstein> any speed benefit from lxle would also have compromises..