[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:22] <elfy> anyone seeing oddities in seeking while playing mp3's at all - not sure what to report it against either - same happens with clementine (which I think uses xine) and parole which uses gstreamer
[15:23] <elfy> fail
[15:24] <elfy> clementine appears to be wanting gstreamer
[16:18] <BluesKaj> elfy, gstreamer is default on my setup , but I'm on kde/kubuntu
[16:22] <elfy> hi BluesKaj I think i've narrowed it down to a local issue
[16:22] <elfy> a live session works fine
[16:22] <elfy> thanks though :)
[16:23] <BluesKaj> elfy, right
[16:24] <elfy> might be time for a clean install got some issues with nvidia/nouveau as well :p
[16:24] <BluesKaj> I use vlc for most media ...but I'm not big on playlists etc
[16:25] <BluesKaj> using nvidia 331 driver here, no issues
[16:25] <elfy> I had nvidia working fine - was tracking down something else - went back to nouveau - now nvidia installs but doesn't actually get used :)
[16:26] <BluesKaj> the only nvidia gpus that seem to have probs are the real hi-end cards
[16:27] <elfy> I certainly don't have anything like that :p
[16:27] <elfy> must be blacklisted somewhere - but I can't find it currently
[16:27] <BluesKaj> me neither , elcheapo 8400gs here  :)
[16:27] <elfy> bit newer - but not by much :D
[16:28] <BluesKaj>  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[16:29] <elfy> BluesKaj: I've had similar before - there's an nvidia blacklist somewhere - just not found it yet - not being overly concerned
[16:29] <elfy> it is Sunday after all :)
[16:30] <BluesKaj> this laptop uses the intel i915 driver and it's great ...the nvidia stuff is on my old desktop
[16:32] <elfy> desktop here
[16:56] <BluesKaj> elfy, nouveau should be automatically bypassed if the nvidia driver is installed from additional drivers or the repox
[16:57] <BluesKaj> repos
[16:59] <elfy> yea I know BluesKaj - not happening for some reason - thought it might be that I'm booting with systemd - but tried after booting upstart - still nothing
[17:00] <elfy> did a bug - shall see
[17:01] <BluesKaj> elfy, hmm so you installed the systemd dev stuff, that's somewhat bleeding ege
[17:01] <elfy> :)
[17:01] <elfy> it is actually installed for you to afaik
[17:02] <BluesKaj> apart from the systemd libs they're slowly adding
[17:02] <elfy> it'll certainly boot for you
[17:03] <elfy> and I have had issues with systemd and nvidia - entirely possible this is related
[17:06] <BluesKaj> must be booting
[17:06] <BluesKaj> with sys'd
[17:06] <BluesKaj> here
[17:06] <BluesKaj> it's installed
[17:07] <BluesKaj> but I haven't noticed any difference , which is probly a good thing
[17:08] <elfy> to boot with it you'll either need to add it to the linux cmdline in grub default "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd" "
[17:08] <elfy> or edit the linux line at boot in grub and add it then
[17:08] <elfy> try systemd-analyze in a terminal
[17:23] <Bluefoxicy> any use of btrfs caching against SSD in 14.10?
[17:23] <Bluefoxicy> I'd like to get a big new hard drive and use hot caching on the SSD
[17:23] <Bluefoxicy> But I can't tell if btrfs-cache or btrfs-hot relocation is the right way
[17:24] <Bluefoxicy> (likewise, I don't understand why this is a btrfs thing and not a basic block device thing)
[17:24] <Bluefoxicy> oh
[17:25] <Bluefoxicy> bcache is block device
[17:28] <qengho> Bluefoxicy: I have the math worked out to have an optimum dmcache on SSD, if you go that route. The only reason I haven't used it that it requires mounting setting up the proxy device somewhere and then mounting it. I don't know yet if I can do that for root device.
[17:30] <Bluefoxicy> qengho:  you can, but you may or may not need to bring up udev to do it automatically
[17:30] <Bluefoxicy> You can also use a bcache hook in an initrd from what I'm reading... it *looks* to me like the kernel can't look at a cache device and recognize its connections automatically
[17:30] <Bluefoxicy> which is really stupid
[17:31] <Bluefoxicy> why wouldn't attachment of a cache device to a backing device write the UUID of the backing device onto the cache?
[17:31] <qengho> I thought I might need to pivot-root.
[17:31] <Bluefoxicy> then the kernel would go, "Oh, look, /dev/myssd has attachment to /dev/sda1, ok set that up now."
[17:31] <Bluefoxicy> apparently that doesn't happen ?_?
[17:32] <qengho> Bluefoxicy: I think we're talking different things, btw.  bcache != dmcache
[17:32] <Bluefoxicy> qengho:  not sure what dmcache is either :(
[17:32] <Bluefoxicy> and btrfs has hot relocation integrated
[17:32] <Bluefoxicy> why are there 8 ways to do this?
[17:32] <qengho> I don't think bcache and btrfs are related either.
[17:33] <Bluefoxicy> nope
[17:33] <Bluefoxicy> btrfs has its own hot relocation thing, it will relocate hot data onto ssd, somehow
[17:33] <qengho> Bluefoxicy: That must be new. That's what I was interested in long ago.
[17:33] <qengho> I'm using btrfs now.
[17:33] <Bluefoxicy> http://lwn.net/Articles/551203/
[17:34] <Bluefoxicy> qengho:  I think it'd be better as a generic VFS feature tbh.
[17:34] <Bluefoxicy> qengho:  this whole conversation can be restated.
[17:34] <Bluefoxicy> "Why doesn't Linux support ReadyBoost?"
[17:34] <qengho> Never heard of it.
[17:35] <Bluefoxicy> ReadyBoost was something Microsoft released with  Windows Vista
[17:35] <Bluefoxicy> they had this whole thing where you could plug in a USB flash drive, click "enable readyboost" on the drive, and it would store frequently-used file data on the  drive in a 4GB cache
[17:35] <Bluefoxicy> so
[17:35] <qengho> I've heard of Vista. Barely.
[17:35] <Bluefoxicy> now we're talking about putting in an SSD and telling the OS to use that in exactly the same way.
[17:36] <Bluefoxicy> DragonFly BSD does this in the VFS cache layer too
[17:36] <Bluefoxicy> you can create a swap partition on an SSD and tell DFBSD to swap the block cache to it
[17:37] <Bluefoxicy> i.e. use the SSD as file data cache for frequently-accessed file data
[17:39] <penguin42> I'm reasonably sure there is a thing for linux for that
[17:40] <penguin42> dm-cache or bcache?
[17:40] <qengho> Hah.
[17:40] <BluesKaj> elfy, just rebooted with systemd and the laptop, but I'm getting this error with systemd-analyze in the terminalnon the desktop (nvidia): " Failed to issue method call: No such property 'FirmwareTimestampMonotonic'
[17:41] <BluesKaj> i don't see aline in default cru
[17:41] <BluesKaj> grub with
[18:05] <elfy> if you get that error I think it means systemd isn't running - you are using utopic aren't you?
[18:06] <elfy> BluesKaj: my grub http://paste.ubuntu.com/7756678/
[18:07] <elfy> I added the init= bit then update-grub
[18:07] <BluesKaj> yes elfy, my laptop is fine on systemd, just copied the default grub over to the desktop, but same error
[18:08] <MichaelP> Having trouble with installing kde5 on ubuntu 14.10....  http://paste2.org/OCJOyHZD
[18:09] <lordievader> MichaelP: How did you install project-neon?
[18:16] <MichaelP> http://paste2.org/fO9dMgwN
[18:20] <MichaelP> lordievader:
[18:24] <lordievader> MichaelP: Maybe you want the kf5-weekly: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Installing_Project_Neon_5
[18:26] <MichaelP> lordievader: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/neon/kf5-snapshot-weekly/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[18:31] <lordievader> MichaelP: Hmm, you should ask in #project-neon but I think you want 'devel' instead of utopic. http://ppa.launchpad.net/neon/kf5-snapshot-weekly/ubuntu/dists/
[18:35] <Beldar> !ppa | MichaelP
[18:36] <Beldar> key point "WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk."
[18:37] <lordievader> We're in #ubuntu+1 aren't we used to unsupported things?
[18:38] <Beldar> MichaelP, THere is no 14.10 package in that unstable ppa
[18:46] <MichaelP> think Muon is solving the plasma-desktop issiue
[18:47] <BluesKaj> elfy, no luck, same error :( , guess the desktop isn't ready for systemd
[18:48] <BluesKaj> altho apt says it's installed
[18:50] <elfy> BluesKaj: mmm not sure then - all I did was add the init= line and bob was my uncle
[18:52] <BluesKaj> elfy, well systemd is working on this laptop so the problem with desktop could be HW elated somehow
[18:52] <BluesKaj> related
[18:52] <elfy> I'd guess so
[19:31] <qengho> BluesKaj: I prefer "hardware elated".
[19:31] <BluesKaj> hehe. qengho
[19:32] <BluesKaj> ok laters