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| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:22 |
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| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 11:14 |
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| elfy | anyone seeing oddities in seeking while playing mp3's at all - not sure what to report it against either - same happens with clementine (which I think uses xine) and parole which uses gstreamer | 15:22 |
| elfy | fail | 15:23 |
| elfy | clementine appears to be wanting gstreamer | 15:24 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, gstreamer is default on my setup , but I'm on kde/kubuntu | 16:18 |
| elfy | hi BluesKaj I think i've narrowed it down to a local issue | 16:22 |
| elfy | a live session works fine | 16:22 |
| elfy | thanks though :) | 16:22 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, right | 16:23 |
| elfy | might be time for a clean install got some issues with nvidia/nouveau as well :p | 16:24 |
| BluesKaj | I use vlc for most media ...but I'm not big on playlists etc | 16:24 |
| BluesKaj | using nvidia 331 driver here, no issues | 16:25 |
| elfy | I had nvidia working fine - was tracking down something else - went back to nouveau - now nvidia installs but doesn't actually get used :) | 16:25 |
| BluesKaj | the only nvidia gpus that seem to have probs are the real hi-end cards | 16:26 |
| elfy | I certainly don't have anything like that :p | 16:27 |
| elfy | must be blacklisted somewhere - but I can't find it currently | 16:27 |
| BluesKaj | me neither , elcheapo 8400gs here :) | 16:27 |
| elfy | bit newer - but not by much :D | 16:27 |
| BluesKaj | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf | 16:28 |
| elfy | BluesKaj: I've had similar before - there's an nvidia blacklist somewhere - just not found it yet - not being overly concerned | 16:29 |
| elfy | it is Sunday after all :) | 16:29 |
| BluesKaj | this laptop uses the intel i915 driver and it's great ...the nvidia stuff is on my old desktop | 16:30 |
| elfy | desktop here | 16:32 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, nouveau should be automatically bypassed if the nvidia driver is installed from additional drivers or the repox | 16:56 |
| BluesKaj | repos | 16:57 |
| elfy | yea I know BluesKaj - not happening for some reason - thought it might be that I'm booting with systemd - but tried after booting upstart - still nothing | 16:59 |
| elfy | did a bug - shall see | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, hmm so you installed the systemd dev stuff, that's somewhat bleeding ege | 17:01 |
| elfy | :) | 17:01 |
| elfy | it is actually installed for you to afaik | 17:01 |
| BluesKaj | apart from the systemd libs they're slowly adding | 17:02 |
| elfy | it'll certainly boot for you | 17:02 |
| elfy | and I have had issues with systemd and nvidia - entirely possible this is related | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | must be booting | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | with sys'd | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | here | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | it's installed | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | but I haven't noticed any difference , which is probly a good thing | 17:07 |
| elfy | to boot with it you'll either need to add it to the linux cmdline in grub default "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd" " | 17:08 |
| elfy | or edit the linux line at boot in grub and add it then | 17:08 |
| elfy | try systemd-analyze in a terminal | 17:08 |
| Bluefoxicy | any use of btrfs caching against SSD in 14.10? | 17:23 |
| Bluefoxicy | I'd like to get a big new hard drive and use hot caching on the SSD | 17:23 |
| Bluefoxicy | But I can't tell if btrfs-cache or btrfs-hot relocation is the right way | 17:23 |
| Bluefoxicy | (likewise, I don't understand why this is a btrfs thing and not a basic block device thing) | 17:24 |
| Bluefoxicy | oh | 17:24 |
| Bluefoxicy | bcache is block device | 17:25 |
| qengho | Bluefoxicy: I have the math worked out to have an optimum dmcache on SSD, if you go that route. The only reason I haven't used it that it requires mounting setting up the proxy device somewhere and then mounting it. I don't know yet if I can do that for root device. | 17:28 |
| Bluefoxicy | qengho: you can, but you may or may not need to bring up udev to do it automatically | 17:30 |
| Bluefoxicy | You can also use a bcache hook in an initrd from what I'm reading... it *looks* to me like the kernel can't look at a cache device and recognize its connections automatically | 17:30 |
| Bluefoxicy | which is really stupid | 17:30 |
| Bluefoxicy | why wouldn't attachment of a cache device to a backing device write the UUID of the backing device onto the cache? | 17:31 |
| qengho | I thought I might need to pivot-root. | 17:31 |
| Bluefoxicy | then the kernel would go, "Oh, look, /dev/myssd has attachment to /dev/sda1, ok set that up now." | 17:31 |
| Bluefoxicy | apparently that doesn't happen ?_? | 17:31 |
| qengho | Bluefoxicy: I think we're talking different things, btw. bcache != dmcache | 17:32 |
| Bluefoxicy | qengho: not sure what dmcache is either :( | 17:32 |
| Bluefoxicy | and btrfs has hot relocation integrated | 17:32 |
| Bluefoxicy | why are there 8 ways to do this? | 17:32 |
| qengho | I don't think bcache and btrfs are related either. | 17:32 |
| Bluefoxicy | nope | 17:33 |
| Bluefoxicy | btrfs has its own hot relocation thing, it will relocate hot data onto ssd, somehow | 17:33 |
| qengho | Bluefoxicy: That must be new. That's what I was interested in long ago. | 17:33 |
| qengho | I'm using btrfs now. | 17:33 |
| Bluefoxicy | http://lwn.net/Articles/551203/ | 17:33 |
| Bluefoxicy | qengho: I think it'd be better as a generic VFS feature tbh. | 17:34 |
| Bluefoxicy | qengho: this whole conversation can be restated. | 17:34 |
| Bluefoxicy | "Why doesn't Linux support ReadyBoost?" | 17:34 |
| qengho | Never heard of it. | 17:34 |
| Bluefoxicy | ReadyBoost was something Microsoft released with Windows Vista | 17:35 |
| Bluefoxicy | they had this whole thing where you could plug in a USB flash drive, click "enable readyboost" on the drive, and it would store frequently-used file data on the drive in a 4GB cache | 17:35 |
| Bluefoxicy | so | 17:35 |
| qengho | I've heard of Vista. Barely. | 17:35 |
| Bluefoxicy | now we're talking about putting in an SSD and telling the OS to use that in exactly the same way. | 17:35 |
| Bluefoxicy | DragonFly BSD does this in the VFS cache layer too | 17:36 |
| Bluefoxicy | you can create a swap partition on an SSD and tell DFBSD to swap the block cache to it | 17:36 |
| Bluefoxicy | i.e. use the SSD as file data cache for frequently-accessed file data | 17:37 |
| penguin42 | I'm reasonably sure there is a thing for linux for that | 17:39 |
| penguin42 | dm-cache or bcache? | 17:40 |
| qengho | Hah. | 17:40 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, just rebooted with systemd and the laptop, but I'm getting this error with systemd-analyze in the terminalnon the desktop (nvidia): " Failed to issue method call: No such property 'FirmwareTimestampMonotonic' | 17:40 |
| BluesKaj | i don't see aline in default cru | 17:41 |
| BluesKaj | grub with | 17:41 |
| elfy | if you get that error I think it means systemd isn't running - you are using utopic aren't you? | 18:05 |
| elfy | BluesKaj: my grub http://paste.ubuntu.com/7756678/ | 18:06 |
| elfy | I added the init= bit then update-grub | 18:07 |
| BluesKaj | yes elfy, my laptop is fine on systemd, just copied the default grub over to the desktop, but same error | 18:07 |
| MichaelP | Having trouble with installing kde5 on ubuntu 14.10.... http://paste2.org/OCJOyHZD | 18:08 |
| lordievader | MichaelP: How did you install project-neon? | 18:09 |
| MichaelP | http://paste2.org/fO9dMgwN | 18:16 |
| MichaelP | lordievader: | 18:20 |
| lordievader | MichaelP: Maybe you want the kf5-weekly: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Installing_Project_Neon_5 | 18:24 |
| MichaelP | lordievader: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/neon/kf5-snapshot-weekly/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found | 18:26 |
| lordievader | MichaelP: Hmm, you should ask in #project-neon but I think you want 'devel' instead of utopic. http://ppa.launchpad.net/neon/kf5-snapshot-weekly/ubuntu/dists/ | 18:31 |
| Beldar | !ppa | MichaelP | 18:35 |
| ubottu | MichaelP: A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge | 18:35 |
| Beldar | key point "WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk." | 18:36 |
| lordievader | We're in #ubuntu+1 aren't we used to unsupported things? | 18:37 |
| Beldar | MichaelP, THere is no 14.10 package in that unstable ppa | 18:38 |
| MichaelP | think Muon is solving the plasma-desktop issiue | 18:46 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, no luck, same error :( , guess the desktop isn't ready for systemd | 18:47 |
| BluesKaj | altho apt says it's installed | 18:48 |
| elfy | BluesKaj: mmm not sure then - all I did was add the init= line and bob was my uncle | 18:50 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, well systemd is working on this laptop so the problem with desktop could be HW elated somehow | 18:52 |
| BluesKaj | related | 18:52 |
| elfy | I'd guess so | 18:52 |
| qengho | BluesKaj: I prefer "hardware elated". | 19:31 |
| BluesKaj | hehe. qengho | 19:31 |
| BluesKaj | ok laters | 19:32 |
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