=== der0b\ is now known as der0b [08:22] Good morning. [11:14] 'Morning folks === dotgokul is now known as gokul === gokul is now known as dotgokul [15:22] anyone seeing oddities in seeking while playing mp3's at all - not sure what to report it against either - same happens with clementine (which I think uses xine) and parole which uses gstreamer [15:23] fail [15:24] clementine appears to be wanting gstreamer [16:18] elfy, gstreamer is default on my setup , but I'm on kde/kubuntu [16:22] hi BluesKaj I think i've narrowed it down to a local issue [16:22] a live session works fine [16:22] thanks though :) [16:23] elfy, right [16:24] might be time for a clean install got some issues with nvidia/nouveau as well :p [16:24] I use vlc for most media ...but I'm not big on playlists etc [16:25] using nvidia 331 driver here, no issues [16:25] I had nvidia working fine - was tracking down something else - went back to nouveau - now nvidia installs but doesn't actually get used :) [16:26] the only nvidia gpus that seem to have probs are the real hi-end cards [16:27] I certainly don't have anything like that :p [16:27] must be blacklisted somewhere - but I can't find it currently [16:27] me neither , elcheapo 8400gs here :) [16:27] bit newer - but not by much :D [16:28] /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [16:29] BluesKaj: I've had similar before - there's an nvidia blacklist somewhere - just not found it yet - not being overly concerned [16:29] it is Sunday after all :) [16:30] this laptop uses the intel i915 driver and it's great ...the nvidia stuff is on my old desktop [16:32] desktop here [16:56] elfy, nouveau should be automatically bypassed if the nvidia driver is installed from additional drivers or the repox [16:57] repos [16:59] yea I know BluesKaj - not happening for some reason - thought it might be that I'm booting with systemd - but tried after booting upstart - still nothing [17:00] did a bug - shall see [17:01] elfy, hmm so you installed the systemd dev stuff, that's somewhat bleeding ege [17:01] :) [17:01] it is actually installed for you to afaik [17:02] apart from the systemd libs they're slowly adding [17:02] it'll certainly boot for you [17:03] and I have had issues with systemd and nvidia - entirely possible this is related [17:06] must be booting [17:06] with sys'd [17:06] here [17:06] it's installed [17:07] but I haven't noticed any difference , which is probly a good thing [17:08] to boot with it you'll either need to add it to the linux cmdline in grub default "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd" " [17:08] or edit the linux line at boot in grub and add it then [17:08] try systemd-analyze in a terminal [17:23] any use of btrfs caching against SSD in 14.10? [17:23] I'd like to get a big new hard drive and use hot caching on the SSD [17:23] But I can't tell if btrfs-cache or btrfs-hot relocation is the right way [17:24] (likewise, I don't understand why this is a btrfs thing and not a basic block device thing) [17:24] oh [17:25] bcache is block device [17:28] Bluefoxicy: I have the math worked out to have an optimum dmcache on SSD, if you go that route. The only reason I haven't used it that it requires mounting setting up the proxy device somewhere and then mounting it. I don't know yet if I can do that for root device. [17:30] qengho: you can, but you may or may not need to bring up udev to do it automatically [17:30] You can also use a bcache hook in an initrd from what I'm reading... it *looks* to me like the kernel can't look at a cache device and recognize its connections automatically [17:30] which is really stupid [17:31] why wouldn't attachment of a cache device to a backing device write the UUID of the backing device onto the cache? [17:31] I thought I might need to pivot-root. [17:31] then the kernel would go, "Oh, look, /dev/myssd has attachment to /dev/sda1, ok set that up now." [17:31] apparently that doesn't happen ?_? [17:32] Bluefoxicy: I think we're talking different things, btw. bcache != dmcache [17:32] qengho: not sure what dmcache is either :( [17:32] and btrfs has hot relocation integrated [17:32] why are there 8 ways to do this? [17:32] I don't think bcache and btrfs are related either. [17:33] nope [17:33] btrfs has its own hot relocation thing, it will relocate hot data onto ssd, somehow [17:33] Bluefoxicy: That must be new. That's what I was interested in long ago. [17:33] I'm using btrfs now. [17:33] http://lwn.net/Articles/551203/ [17:34] qengho: I think it'd be better as a generic VFS feature tbh. [17:34] qengho: this whole conversation can be restated. [17:34] "Why doesn't Linux support ReadyBoost?" [17:34] Never heard of it. [17:35] ReadyBoost was something Microsoft released with Windows Vista [17:35] they had this whole thing where you could plug in a USB flash drive, click "enable readyboost" on the drive, and it would store frequently-used file data on the drive in a 4GB cache [17:35] so [17:35] I've heard of Vista. Barely. [17:35] now we're talking about putting in an SSD and telling the OS to use that in exactly the same way. [17:36] DragonFly BSD does this in the VFS cache layer too [17:36] you can create a swap partition on an SSD and tell DFBSD to swap the block cache to it [17:37] i.e. use the SSD as file data cache for frequently-accessed file data [17:39] I'm reasonably sure there is a thing for linux for that [17:40] dm-cache or bcache? [17:40] Hah. [17:40] elfy, just rebooted with systemd and the laptop, but I'm getting this error with systemd-analyze in the terminalnon the desktop (nvidia): " Failed to issue method call: No such property 'FirmwareTimestampMonotonic' [17:41] i don't see aline in default cru [17:41] grub with [18:05] if you get that error I think it means systemd isn't running - you are using utopic aren't you? [18:06] BluesKaj: my grub http://paste.ubuntu.com/7756678/ [18:07] I added the init= bit then update-grub [18:07] yes elfy, my laptop is fine on systemd, just copied the default grub over to the desktop, but same error [18:08] Having trouble with installing kde5 on ubuntu 14.10.... http://paste2.org/OCJOyHZD [18:09] MichaelP: How did you install project-neon? [18:16] http://paste2.org/fO9dMgwN [18:20] lordievader: [18:24] MichaelP: Maybe you want the kf5-weekly: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Installing_Project_Neon_5 [18:26] lordievader: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/neon/kf5-snapshot-weekly/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [18:31] MichaelP: Hmm, you should ask in #project-neon but I think you want 'devel' instead of utopic. http://ppa.launchpad.net/neon/kf5-snapshot-weekly/ubuntu/dists/ [18:35] !ppa | MichaelP [18:35] MichaelP: A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [18:36] key point "WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk." [18:37] We're in #ubuntu+1 aren't we used to unsupported things? [18:38] MichaelP, THere is no 14.10 package in that unstable ppa [18:46] think Muon is solving the plasma-desktop issiue [18:47] elfy, no luck, same error :( , guess the desktop isn't ready for systemd [18:48] altho apt says it's installed [18:50] BluesKaj: mmm not sure then - all I did was add the init= line and bob was my uncle [18:52] elfy, well systemd is working on this laptop so the problem with desktop could be HW elated somehow [18:52] related [18:52] I'd guess so [19:31] BluesKaj: I prefer "hardware elated". [19:31] hehe. qengho [19:32] ok laters