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r4yYou guys must know about mate?00:01
LinDolmate?00:02
r4ythere's a mate channel00:03
r4yhttp://mate-desktop.org/00:03
r4yWell take care :)00:05
LinDolwow!00:07
LinDoldo you make there?00:07
r4yNo, I am just a user00:08
r4yI have stuck with Ubuntu 10.04 since Unity came out00:09
LinDol:)00:11
r4yUnity for one bogged down my computer really bad, then menus that used to exist where not there and I couldn't get appearance the way I liked it.00:11
r4yUnity requires 3d graphics from what I recently read unless I am mistaken00:12
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r4yHave a great day.00:14
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LinDolr4y, have a great day ;)00:14
r4y:) / bye all00:15
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ahoneybun_hello darkxst03:17
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ahoneybundarkxst, should I force a full upgrade?04:10
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Noskcajdarkxst, I'll look into the above things on monday. At my grandparents with minimal internet05:52
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syntroPiwhen using evolution why do i always get prompted for the email account login password and why wont it be added to the gnome-keyring. this is very annoying since it always keeps asking me everytime i launch any new program19:17
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amjjawad#chair amjjawad21:07
amjjawad#startmeeting [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #321:08
meetingologyMeeting started Sun Jul  6 21:08:56 2014 UTC.  The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.21:08
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick21:08
amjjawadokay, so it seems I'm the only one here?!21:09
cla_hello21:15
amjjawadcla_, hi :)21:15
amjjawadNoskcaj, darkxst are you there?!21:16
cla_i am from argetina using ubuntu 14!21:16
amjjawadcla_, welcome and good to know that :)21:17
amjjawadGood luck with your match with Netherlands :D21:17
amjjawadHmm, can't find anyone ... we have our weekly meeting for Ubuntu GNOME but guess no one is here :( too bad, too sad.21:18
cla_you are kind21:18
amjjawadcla_, , thank you :) are you using Ubuntu GNOME?!21:18
cla_I used it it looks very good21:18
amjjawadcla_, I'm glad to know that :)21:19
cla_i ve got several pc using it21:19
amjjawadamazing21:19
cla_mine is using pardus21:20
amjjawadcla_, see this http://ubuntugnome.org/learn-about-ubuntu-gnome-community/21:20
cla_ok21:20
cla_i haven't got any mistake21:21
amjjawadthat is great to know21:22
amjjawadthe link I sent you is useful, I'd suggest to add that to your bookmarks :)21:22
cla_i wanted to say hello, i gat to leave!21:22
amjjawadcla_, that is so kind and nice of you :) feel free to join our mailing list or IRC channel :)21:23
cla_bye bye21:23
satyahola21:24
amjjawadsatya, finally!!21:24
satya:)21:24
amjjawadI was about to KILL YOU ALL :P21:24
satyawhy?21:24
amjjawadI'm here for 20 mins :(21:24
satyawho else is?21:25
amjjawadwhy? hmmm, maybe because we have a meeting? :D21:25
amjjawadwe're alone ...21:25
satyareally???21:25
amjjawadI sent an email ... it seems everyone is ZzZz21:25
satyahmm...21:25
amjjawadokay, let's start21:25
satyayup21:25
amjjawadI will end it on time which is after 35mins21:25
satyasure21:26
amjjawad#topic Artwork21:26
amjjawadso, Mr. Acting :P21:26
amjjawadany update?21:26
amjjawadhope you didn't forget that you're acting TL now :D21:26
satyanothing. but alfredo had sent you an email21:26
satyanope. I remember21:26
amjjawadright, which I had no time to read :( I just saw the subject :(21:26
satyaoh, they were the website mockups21:27
satyaso if you approve, we can proceed to the work21:27
amjjawadI'm reading now21:27
satyanicey21:27
amjjawadI'm done with reading but didn't open the mockups yet21:27
amjjawadwe can't vote now :( it is just me and you21:27
amjjawadhmmm, it is good idea to play the bad guy here heheheh21:28
satyayeah. no issues :D21:28
amjjawadthey didn't attend so I will vote :P21:28
amjjawadjust kidding21:28
satyalol21:28
amjjawadhehehe21:28
satyacould we also get votes through the ML?21:28
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amjjawadsatya, interesting = http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B/o21:30
satyaloading21:30
amjjawadsatya, yeah, why not but here is faster and easier21:30
satyawhere?21:30
amjjawadhere21:30
amjjawadhere is better21:31
amjjawadthe idea is nice21:31
amjjawadbut I guess we can do better?21:31
amjjawadI have few points to share if I may :)21:31
satyayeah, sure. would be nice21:31
amjjawad(1) the current theme/color we're using ... this is the default for 14.04 ... what if we change that for 14.10 and 15.04 and so on?21:32
amjjawadmy point is, why not have something that can be used always without the need to change it every cycle?21:32
satyawe need a consistent brand color and theme21:32
amjjawadwhy?21:32
satyaalfredo had a document with the color guidelines21:32
amjjawadsatya, I shall not approve the use of the same wallpaper for 14.10 :P :P21:33
satyabecause we need to be consistent to be recognizable21:33
amjjawadsatya, okay, but I hope you see my point21:33
amjjawadkidding aside, the current wallpaper is for UG 14.0421:33
amjjawadam I right?21:33
satyait's not about the wallpaper, but the color palette. if you are talking about the strip there, I guess we can update it every release or so21:34
amjjawadI'm talking about the wallpaper of the website21:34
satyaor have an image which is not the wallpaper21:34
satyayeah, I get it, the strip below the header21:34
amjjawadyep21:34
amjjawadsatya, that is the one, phew :D21:35
amjjawadare we going to change that every 6 months? here is the Q21:35
satyaso, here is the idea, either use a completely separate image, or change it every 6 months21:35
amjjawadhmm21:35
satyausing a different image is a good idea21:35
amjjawadI can't even use my full authority now :D21:35
satyabut that must represent Ubuntu GNOME somehow21:36
amjjawadI can't vote for that alone21:36
ahoneybuno/21:36
satyahello ahoneybun21:36
amjjawadahoneybun, hey :)21:36
ahoneybunhey satya amjjawad21:36
amjjawad:)21:36
amjjawadsatya, okay, I won't be the stubborn leader :D I'll be easy going21:36
satyaso, amjjwad, we can perhaps take the votes through mailing list, since more people can vote there?21:37
amjjawad#action decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle21:38
meetingologyACTION: decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle21:38
amjjawadsatya, done ;)21:38
satyagreat :)21:38
satyaalso, about the mockups, I would love if there were 2-3 different types, but you know, designing is not an easy task21:38
satyait requires time, and we have very little21:38
amjjawadsatya, you guys are 'not' supposed to do it alone :(21:38
amjjawadhere is an issue that we had last cycle21:39
amjjawadI have asked your team to communicate :(21:39
satyayes?21:39
amjjawadyet, it i snot happening :(21:39
satyacommunicate about what?21:39
amjjawadyou're acting now. If you need anything, you can ask me or Alfredo or Tim21:39
satyaor to whom?21:39
amjjawadCommunicate with those who are supposed to work on the new website design :(21:39
satyayup. sure.21:39
amjjawadand the rest of the team.21:40
amjjawadI don't want to but the burden on your shoulders alone, this is not fair.21:40
amjjawadand you just stated that you guys have little time :(21:40
satyayeah, but again, we sent it to the ML too.21:40
amjjawadhmmm21:41
amjjawadthat is the problem21:41
satyathat we need a design21:41
amjjawadyou sent it to Artwork ML21:41
amjjawadnot the 'main' one21:41
satyaI sent the mockup to Artwork ML to get the internal feedback first21:41
amjjawadanyway, I'd love the idea of having 3 different designs to choose from21:41
amjjawadI know21:41
amjjawadyou need the feedback for your design21:41
amjjawadwe need 2 more :)21:41
amjjawadokay, how long time do we have for this?21:42
satyanow that alfredo and me have the designs, we can send it to the main ML, and get feedback21:42
amjjawadI don't think the website has anything to do with feature freeze or whatever?21:42
amjjawadI must check that with darkxst21:42
satyaI'm not sure, but I think Neil had said he will be busier in coming days21:42
amjjawad#action amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website21:42
meetingologyACTION: amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website21:42
satyahe can do the work, but it'll be little slower21:43
amjjawadaction point logged21:43
amjjawadif we have time until the end of this cycle, that would be great, I guess21:43
amjjawadwhat do you think?21:43
satyayeah, I would prefer the redesign to happen before the release21:44
satyaI have to ask Neil how fast he can finish it21:44
satyabut first, I've to get feedback21:44
amjjawadNeil will do one design, I guess?21:44
amjjawadOkay, back to our team design (yours)21:45
satyaNeil will code the website21:45
amjjawadI like the idea ... simple and short ... but can we do better? I rate it 7/10 maybe21:45
amjjawadI'm still not happy with two tabs for docs21:45
satyaso, what's your idea?21:45
amjjawadone tab, just like the community tab21:46
satyathe two tabs for FAQ and Documentation serve a simple purpose, to make the FAQ more accessible21:46
amjjawadwait please21:47
amjjawadthe current website has:21:47
amjjawad6 tabs21:47
amjjawadHome - Screenshots - Docs - Download - Getting Involved - Contact Us21:47
* satya is checking the current one21:47
amjjawadhttp://ubuntugnome.org/21:47
satyayeh, when you hover over "Documentation", 2 links appear21:48
satya"FAQ" and "Wiki"21:48
amjjawadindeed :)21:48
satyahover is not something that is available in phones and tablets21:49
amjjawadthat is why I'm asking to merge (on the new design) both FAQs and Wiki21:49
satyayeah, but hover is not available on all devices, so it hurts accessibility21:49
amjjawadthose who click Docs should find 'FAQs' and 'Wiki' - just like what you guys did with Community21:49
amjjawadNo hover21:49
amjjawadjust like what you did with Community on the new design :)21:50
satyathat will mean a complex navigation with menu and submenu21:50
amjjawadsatya, :(21:50
satyain the mobile view, we would already have the navigation menu collapsed into one icon21:50
amjjawadyou're not seeing my point21:50
amjjawadsatya, see this please http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B21:51
amjjawadwhy you merged the two tabs here?21:51
amjjawadwhile you don't want to do the same with FAQs and Wiki ?21:51
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satyaFAQ and Wiki are totally different. They have lots of content. Getting involved and contact us are short. I don't mind if they are separate though21:53
satyabut merging them doesn't do any harm21:53
satyaFAQ will be like one page long21:54
amjjawadsatya, Wiki will have nothing but links :) in fact, one link to our Wiki Area so it is FAQ that will have some teext21:54
amjjawadyes and that is all what we need :)21:54
satyayeah, that "Documentation" is meant to just link to the "Wiki" page, AFAIK21:54
satyaisn't it?21:55
amjjawadsatya, :D21:55
amjjawadyou're too sleepy :P21:55
satya:)21:55
amjjawadI wish I could draw that and show you21:56
amjjawadthat is why I love google hangout21:56
satyayeah, that would help me understand21:56
amjjawadif we were using it, that would be easier for me to explain21:56
amjjawadokay, let's decide that later21:56
satyayup. please draw one, so I can better understand21:56
amjjawad#action amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design21:56
meetingologyACTION: amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design21:56
satyaright now, seems I'm confused21:57
amjjawadI know21:57
amjjawadso let's leave it for now21:57
amjjawadanything else before we end the meeting?21:57
amjjawadwhat I do love about the new design is the bottom :D21:58
amjjawadfooter21:58
amjjawadit is WOW21:58
satyayeah, alfredo wanted to have a beautiful footer :21:58
satya:21:58
satya:D21:58
amjjawadyeah, it is so nice21:58
satyaso, apart from the navigation bar, what else?21:59
amjjawadthe bar + the wallpapers21:59
amjjawadthat is all for now21:59
amjjawadit is nice and simple21:59
satyaok. about a slideshow, we don't want a slideshow as it will not work properly on a mobile device21:59
amjjawad#action we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one21:59
meetingologyACTION: we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one21:59
amjjawadsatya, -1 for slideshow22:00
amjjawad#action no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design22:00
meetingologyACTION: no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design22:00
satyaso, I'll send a mail to the main ML tomorrow with the current mockups, and our requirements if someone wants to submit new mockups22:00
amjjawadwhat else?22:00
amjjawadgood call :D22:01
satyaabout including themes22:01
amjjawad#action satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done22:01
meetingologyACTION: satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done22:01
amjjawadokay, what else?22:01
satyaincluding themes :)22:01
amjjawada side from the notes I have discussed, I don't have any other problem with the design :D22:01
amjjawadthemes?22:02
amjjawadwhat themes? website themes?22:02
satyano, GTK themes22:02
satyato include in the default installation22:02
satyalast time we talked about having moka and numix22:02
amjjawadright22:04
amjjawadI don't mind anything nice22:04
amjjawadbut I do want UG to have some themes by default22:04
satyaso, should I proceed to talk with Sam Hewitt about having Moka?22:04
amjjawadwe already agreed about that last meeting22:04
amjjawadOhh, Sam22:04
amjjawadhehe22:05
satya:)22:05
amjjawadhe had once negative feedback about UG22:05
amjjawadbut I guess nothing personal22:05
amjjawadwe had a quick chat on UG G+ Page22:05
satyalol :D22:05
satyawhat did he say?22:05
amjjawadI forgot22:05
amjjawadhe wasn't happy with something ... can't remember22:05
satyamay be due to old Gnome version22:06
amjjawadanyway, how many themes can add by default?22:06
amjjawadwe have only one which is the default, right? I mean for 14.0422:06
amjjawadif we could add 2-3, that would be super great22:06
satyathere aren't many good themes AFAIK22:06
satyaelementary, Moka, Numix, Iris are all I know22:07
satyaelementary is not suitable for GNOME22:07
satyawe can have Moka, Numix and Iris22:07
amjjawadat least, we give some options to our users22:07
satyayeah :D22:07
amjjawadfrom what I have seen so far, the only negative feedback we do have is the look and feel22:07
amjjawadmost of the feedback stating that our system is rock solid22:08
amjjawadand I can confirm that22:08
amjjawadbut it is the look and feel22:08
amjjawadthat even myself not happy with22:08
amjjawadshh, don't tell anyone :P22:08
satyayeah, but that's the default GNOME look. what we can do :(22:08
satya:)22:08
amjjawadso, I guess this is all about this week meeting ... anything else before I go?22:08
satyado we want to include any GNOME shell theme?22:09
amjjawadsatya, we must find a way to include more themes and nice wallappers22:09
satyawait, I have few things to say22:09
amjjawadsatya, ok :)22:09
satyaI don't worry about wallpapers, I'm sure, they'll be plenty22:09
amjjawad+122:09
satyaso, do we want to also include Gnome Shell themes and icon themes?22:10
satyafor icon themes, we could include Moka, elementary Xfce, Numix Circle etc.22:11
amjjawadmore icons themes = yes22:11
amjjawadGNOME Shell Themes?22:11
satyayeah?22:11
satyaabout shell themes,  guess lots of themes aren't properly maintained22:11
amjjawadI'm too tired to figure out what we are talking about22:11
amjjawadthe one that if we change, the look of the system will change?22:12
satyaone moment22:12
satyahttp://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-Shell-Elegance-Colors-30596638822:12
satyait's the Gnome Shell theme I actively maintain22:13
amjjawadso I was right22:13
amjjawadthe one that if we change it, the whole thing will be changed22:13
amjjawadsure, that would be lovely22:13
satyagood. so my point, we don't have many GNOME shell themes which are actively maintained22:14
satyaif we include the one I linked above, I know that it'll be actively maintained22:14
satyaalso, it's an app, not a theme22:15
amjjawadI don't mind22:15
amjjawadwe need to talk with darkxst about that22:15
amjjawad#action satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons22:15
meetingologyACTION: satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons22:15
amjjawadwhat else? :)22:15
satyaso, about the wallpaper contest22:15
satyathere is no progress yet.22:15
amjjawadyeah, we agreed to start that22:16
satyabut I think I should start this week22:16
amjjawadit is okay, no rush22:16
amjjawadthat is good22:16
satyaso, we decided to use flickr, and 2 submissions per user, right?22:16
satyahow about we make it like that, have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre?22:17
satyalike nature, city, abstract etc.?22:17
satyato have some variety in the wallpapers22:17
amjjawadhmm22:17
amjjawadthat is good idea22:17
amjjawadand 1 to 2 submit per user22:18
satyayup :)22:18
amjjawadthe total is 10, right?22:18
satyayeah, I think so22:18
satyaso, I shall talk to alfredo and proceed with the idea then?22:18
amjjawad#action have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya22:19
meetingologyACTION: have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya22:19
amjjawadyep ;)22:19
satyagreat.22:19
amjjawad:D22:19
satyanothing else, right?22:19
amjjawadhahaha22:19
amjjawadI'm done :D22:19
satyaokay22:19
satyado you want ownership of this http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome ?22:19
amjjawadwhat is this22:20
satyascrollback room for ubuntu gnome22:21
satyait is integrated with our irc22:21
amjjawadno idea what is it22:21
satyacurrently I own that room22:21
satyait's a chat client :D22:21
amjjawadbut I have enough stuff to be the owner of hehe22:21
amjjawadohhh22:21
amjjawadI see the stuff I'm sending here22:22
satyaremeber, I was talking about having it on our site?22:22
amjjawadare you trying to say ... we add that to our website?22:22
satyayeah, as a chat widget22:22
satyawhich will load on demand22:22
satyaso as not to slow the page22:22
satyabut it uses appcache anyways, so it won't be slow from the 2nd time22:23
satyanote that that is an open source project22:23
satyaand I work for them :D22:23
amjjawadif this is fast and does not require lots of stuff, why not22:23
amjjawadohh22:24
amjjawadnice22:24
satya:D22:24
satyaokay, so that's it then :)22:24
satyawe can have the widget on the community page22:25
satyahttp://mozillaindia.org22:26
satyathey are using it22:26
amjjawad#action satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not22:26
meetingologyACTION: satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not22:26
satyaso, I don't have anything else to say22:26
amjjawadokay then :)22:28
amjjawadthanks a lot22:28
amjjawadthat was 1-2-1 meeting hehe22:28
satya:)22:28
satyahey, one thing22:28
satyaabout rescheduling22:28
satyaI asked if we could have it on saturday22:28
amjjawadright22:29
amjjawad#action amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun22:29
satyaso...22:29
meetingologyACTION: amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun22:29
satyanice22:29
amjjawad;)22:29
amjjawad#endmeeting22:29
meetingologyMeeting ended Sun Jul  6 22:30:29 2014 UTC.22:29
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-07-06-21.08.moin.txt22:29
satyaoka. good night then22:29
amjjawadgood night, my friend22:30
amjjawadthanks a lot22:30
satyabyee..22:30
amjjawadcya22:30

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