[00:01] <r4y> You guys must know about mate?
[00:02] <LinDol> mate?
[00:03] <r4y> there's a mate channel
[00:03] <r4y> http://mate-desktop.org/
[00:05] <r4y> Well take care :)
[00:07] <LinDol> wow!
[00:07] <LinDol> do you make there?
[00:08] <r4y> No, I am just a user
[00:09] <r4y> I have stuck with Ubuntu 10.04 since Unity came out
[00:11] <LinDol> :)
[00:11] <r4y> Unity for one bogged down my computer really bad, then menus that used to exist where not there and I couldn't get appearance the way I liked it.
[00:12] <r4y> Unity requires 3d graphics from what I recently read unless I am mistaken
[00:14] <r4y> Have a great day.
[00:14] <LinDol> r4y, have a great day ;)
[00:15] <r4y> :) / bye all
[03:17] <ahoneybun_> hello darkxst
[04:10] <ahoneybun> darkxst, should I force a full upgrade?
[05:52] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I'll look into the above things on monday. At my grandparents with minimal internet
[19:17] <syntroPi> when using evolution why do i always get prompted for the email account login password and why wont it be added to the gnome-keyring. this is very annoying since it always keeps asking me everytime i launch any new program
[21:07] <amjjawad> #chair amjjawad
[21:08] <amjjawad> #startmeeting [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #3
[21:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jul  6 21:08:56 2014 UTC.  The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[21:08] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[21:09] <amjjawad> okay, so it seems I'm the only one here?!
[21:15] <cla_> hello
[21:15] <amjjawad> cla_, hi :)
[21:16] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, darkxst are you there?!
[21:16] <cla_> i am from argetina using ubuntu 14!
[21:17] <amjjawad> cla_, welcome and good to know that :)
[21:17] <amjjawad> Good luck with your match with Netherlands :D
[21:18] <amjjawad> Hmm, can't find anyone ... we have our weekly meeting for Ubuntu GNOME but guess no one is here :( too bad, too sad.
[21:18] <cla_> you are kind
[21:18] <amjjawad> cla_, , thank you :) are you using Ubuntu GNOME?!
[21:18] <cla_> I used it it looks very good
[21:19] <amjjawad> cla_, I'm glad to know that :)
[21:19] <cla_> i ve got several pc using it
[21:19] <amjjawad> amazing
[21:20] <cla_> mine is using pardus
[21:20] <amjjawad> cla_, see this http://ubuntugnome.org/learn-about-ubuntu-gnome-community/
[21:20] <cla_> ok
[21:21] <cla_> i haven't got any mistake
[21:22] <amjjawad> that is great to know
[21:22] <amjjawad> the link I sent you is useful, I'd suggest to add that to your bookmarks :)
[21:22] <cla_> i wanted to say hello, i gat to leave!
[21:23] <amjjawad> cla_, that is so kind and nice of you :) feel free to join our mailing list or IRC channel :)
[21:23] <cla_> bye bye
[21:24] <satya> hola
[21:24] <amjjawad> satya, finally!!
[21:24] <satya> :)
[21:24] <amjjawad> I was about to KILL YOU ALL :P
[21:24] <satya> why?
[21:24] <amjjawad> I'm here for 20 mins :(
[21:25] <satya> who else is?
[21:25] <amjjawad> why? hmmm, maybe because we have a meeting? :D
[21:25] <amjjawad> we're alone ...
[21:25] <satya> really???
[21:25] <amjjawad> I sent an email ... it seems everyone is ZzZz
[21:25] <satya> hmm...
[21:25] <amjjawad> okay, let's start
[21:25] <satya> yup
[21:25] <amjjawad> I will end it on time which is after 35mins
[21:26] <satya> sure
[21:26] <amjjawad> #topic Artwork
[21:26] <amjjawad> so, Mr. Acting :P
[21:26] <amjjawad> any update?
[21:26] <amjjawad> hope you didn't forget that you're acting TL now :D
[21:26] <satya> nothing. but alfredo had sent you an email
[21:26] <satya> nope. I remember
[21:26] <amjjawad> right, which I had no time to read :( I just saw the subject :(
[21:27] <satya> oh, they were the website mockups
[21:27] <satya> so if you approve, we can proceed to the work
[21:27] <amjjawad> I'm reading now
[21:27] <satya> nicey
[21:27] <amjjawad> I'm done with reading but didn't open the mockups yet
[21:27] <amjjawad> we can't vote now :( it is just me and you
[21:28] <amjjawad> hmmm, it is good idea to play the bad guy here heheheh
[21:28] <satya> yeah. no issues :D
[21:28] <amjjawad> they didn't attend so I will vote :P
[21:28] <amjjawad> just kidding
[21:28] <satya> lol
[21:28] <amjjawad> hehehe
[21:28] <satya> could we also get votes through the ML?
[21:30] <amjjawad> satya, interesting = http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B/o
[21:30] <satya> loading
[21:30] <amjjawad> satya, yeah, why not but here is faster and easier
[21:30] <satya> where?
[21:30] <amjjawad> here
[21:31] <amjjawad> here is better
[21:31] <amjjawad> the idea is nice
[21:31] <amjjawad> but I guess we can do better?
[21:31] <amjjawad> I have few points to share if I may :)
[21:31] <satya> yeah, sure. would be nice
[21:32] <amjjawad> (1) the current theme/color we're using ... this is the default for 14.04 ... what if we change that for 14.10 and 15.04 and so on?
[21:32] <amjjawad> my point is, why not have something that can be used always without the need to change it every cycle?
[21:32] <satya> we need a consistent brand color and theme
[21:32] <amjjawad> why?
[21:32] <satya> alfredo had a document with the color guidelines
[21:33] <amjjawad> satya, I shall not approve the use of the same wallpaper for 14.10 :P :P
[21:33] <satya> because we need to be consistent to be recognizable
[21:33] <amjjawad> satya, okay, but I hope you see my point
[21:33] <amjjawad> kidding aside, the current wallpaper is for UG 14.04
[21:33] <amjjawad> am I right?
[21:34] <satya> it's not about the wallpaper, but the color palette. if you are talking about the strip there, I guess we can update it every release or so
[21:34] <amjjawad> I'm talking about the wallpaper of the website
[21:34] <satya> or have an image which is not the wallpaper
[21:34] <satya> yeah, I get it, the strip below the header
[21:34] <amjjawad> yep
[21:35] <amjjawad> satya, that is the one, phew :D
[21:35] <amjjawad> are we going to change that every 6 months? here is the Q
[21:35] <satya> so, here is the idea, either use a completely separate image, or change it every 6 months
[21:35] <amjjawad> hmm
[21:35] <satya> using a different image is a good idea
[21:35] <amjjawad> I can't even use my full authority now :D
[21:36] <satya> but that must represent Ubuntu GNOME somehow
[21:36] <amjjawad> I can't vote for that alone
[21:36] <ahoneybun> o/
[21:36] <satya> hello ahoneybun
[21:36] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, hey :)
[21:36] <ahoneybun> hey satya amjjawad
[21:36] <amjjawad> :)
[21:36] <amjjawad> satya, okay, I won't be the stubborn leader :D I'll be easy going
[21:37] <satya> so, amjjwad, we can perhaps take the votes through mailing list, since more people can vote there?
[21:38] <amjjawad> #action decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle
[21:38] <meetingology> ACTION: decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle
[21:38] <amjjawad> satya, done ;)
[21:38] <satya> great :)
[21:38] <satya> also, about the mockups, I would love if there were 2-3 different types, but you know, designing is not an easy task
[21:38] <satya> it requires time, and we have very little
[21:38] <amjjawad> satya, you guys are 'not' supposed to do it alone :(
[21:39] <amjjawad> here is an issue that we had last cycle
[21:39] <amjjawad> I have asked your team to communicate :(
[21:39] <satya> yes?
[21:39] <amjjawad> yet, it i snot happening :(
[21:39] <satya> communicate about what?
[21:39] <amjjawad> you're acting now. If you need anything, you can ask me or Alfredo or Tim
[21:39] <satya> or to whom?
[21:39] <amjjawad> Communicate with those who are supposed to work on the new website design :(
[21:39] <satya> yup. sure.
[21:40] <amjjawad> and the rest of the team.
[21:40] <amjjawad> I don't want to but the burden on your shoulders alone, this is not fair.
[21:40] <amjjawad> and you just stated that you guys have little time :(
[21:40] <satya> yeah, but again, we sent it to the ML too.
[21:41] <amjjawad> hmmm
[21:41] <amjjawad> that is the problem
[21:41] <satya> that we need a design
[21:41] <amjjawad> you sent it to Artwork ML
[21:41] <amjjawad> not the 'main' one
[21:41] <satya> I sent the mockup to Artwork ML to get the internal feedback first
[21:41] <amjjawad> anyway, I'd love the idea of having 3 different designs to choose from
[21:41] <amjjawad> I know
[21:41] <amjjawad> you need the feedback for your design
[21:41] <amjjawad> we need 2 more :)
[21:42] <amjjawad> okay, how long time do we have for this?
[21:42] <satya> now that alfredo and me have the designs, we can send it to the main ML, and get feedback
[21:42] <amjjawad> I don't think the website has anything to do with feature freeze or whatever?
[21:42] <amjjawad> I must check that with darkxst
[21:42] <satya> I'm not sure, but I think Neil had said he will be busier in coming days
[21:42] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website
[21:42] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website
[21:43] <satya> he can do the work, but it'll be little slower
[21:43] <amjjawad> action point logged
[21:43] <amjjawad> if we have time until the end of this cycle, that would be great, I guess
[21:43] <amjjawad> what do you think?
[21:44] <satya> yeah, I would prefer the redesign to happen before the release
[21:44] <satya> I have to ask Neil how fast he can finish it
[21:44] <satya> but first, I've to get feedback
[21:44] <amjjawad> Neil will do one design, I guess?
[21:45] <amjjawad> Okay, back to our team design (yours)
[21:45] <satya> Neil will code the website
[21:45] <amjjawad> I like the idea ... simple and short ... but can we do better? I rate it 7/10 maybe
[21:45] <amjjawad> I'm still not happy with two tabs for docs
[21:45] <satya> so, what's your idea?
[21:46] <amjjawad> one tab, just like the community tab
[21:46] <satya> the two tabs for FAQ and Documentation serve a simple purpose, to make the FAQ more accessible
[21:47] <amjjawad> wait please
[21:47] <amjjawad> the current website has:
[21:47] <amjjawad> 6 tabs
[21:47] <amjjawad> Home - Screenshots - Docs - Download - Getting Involved - Contact Us
[21:47]  * satya is checking the current one
[21:47] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/
[21:48] <satya> yeh, when you hover over "Documentation", 2 links appear
[21:48] <satya> "FAQ" and "Wiki"
[21:48] <amjjawad> indeed :)
[21:49] <satya> hover is not something that is available in phones and tablets
[21:49] <amjjawad> that is why I'm asking to merge (on the new design) both FAQs and Wiki
[21:49] <satya> yeah, but hover is not available on all devices, so it hurts accessibility
[21:49] <amjjawad> those who click Docs should find 'FAQs' and 'Wiki' - just like what you guys did with Community
[21:49] <amjjawad> No hover
[21:50] <amjjawad> just like what you did with Community on the new design :)
[21:50] <satya> that will mean a complex navigation with menu and submenu
[21:50] <amjjawad> satya, :(
[21:50] <satya> in the mobile view, we would already have the navigation menu collapsed into one icon
[21:50] <amjjawad> you're not seeing my point
[21:51] <amjjawad> satya, see this please http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B
[21:51] <amjjawad> why you merged the two tabs here?
[21:51] <amjjawad> while you don't want to do the same with FAQs and Wiki ?
[21:51]  * satya is checking
[21:53] <satya> FAQ and Wiki are totally different. They have lots of content. Getting involved and contact us are short. I don't mind if they are separate though
[21:53] <satya> but merging them doesn't do any harm
[21:54] <satya> FAQ will be like one page long
[21:54] <amjjawad> satya, Wiki will have nothing but links :) in fact, one link to our Wiki Area so it is FAQ that will have some teext
[21:54] <amjjawad> yes and that is all what we need :)
[21:54] <satya> yeah, that "Documentation" is meant to just link to the "Wiki" page, AFAIK
[21:55] <satya> isn't it?
[21:55] <amjjawad> satya, :D
[21:55] <amjjawad> you're too sleepy :P
[21:55] <satya> :)
[21:56] <amjjawad> I wish I could draw that and show you
[21:56] <amjjawad> that is why I love google hangout
[21:56] <satya> yeah, that would help me understand
[21:56] <amjjawad> if we were using it, that would be easier for me to explain
[21:56] <amjjawad> okay, let's decide that later
[21:56] <satya> yup. please draw one, so I can better understand
[21:56] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design
[21:56] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design
[21:57] <satya> right now, seems I'm confused
[21:57] <amjjawad> I know
[21:57] <amjjawad> so let's leave it for now
[21:57] <amjjawad> anything else before we end the meeting?
[21:58] <amjjawad> what I do love about the new design is the bottom :D
[21:58] <amjjawad> footer
[21:58] <amjjawad> it is WOW
[21:58] <satya> yeah, alfredo wanted to have a beautiful footer :
[21:58] <satya> :
[21:58] <satya> :D
[21:58] <amjjawad> yeah, it is so nice
[21:59] <satya> so, apart from the navigation bar, what else?
[21:59] <amjjawad> the bar + the wallpapers
[21:59] <amjjawad> that is all for now
[21:59] <amjjawad> it is nice and simple
[21:59] <satya> ok. about a slideshow, we don't want a slideshow as it will not work properly on a mobile device
[21:59] <amjjawad> #action we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one
[21:59] <meetingology> ACTION: we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one
[22:00] <amjjawad> satya, -1 for slideshow
[22:00] <amjjawad> #action no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design
[22:00] <meetingology> ACTION: no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design
[22:00] <satya> so, I'll send a mail to the main ML tomorrow with the current mockups, and our requirements if someone wants to submit new mockups
[22:00] <amjjawad> what else?
[22:01] <amjjawad> good call :D
[22:01] <satya> about including themes
[22:01] <amjjawad> #action satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done
[22:01] <meetingology> ACTION: satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done
[22:01] <amjjawad> okay, what else?
[22:01] <satya> including themes :)
[22:01] <amjjawad> a side from the notes I have discussed, I don't have any other problem with the design :D
[22:02] <amjjawad> themes?
[22:02] <amjjawad> what themes? website themes?
[22:02] <satya> no, GTK themes
[22:02] <satya> to include in the default installation
[22:02] <satya> last time we talked about having moka and numix
[22:04] <amjjawad> right
[22:04] <amjjawad> I don't mind anything nice
[22:04] <amjjawad> but I do want UG to have some themes by default
[22:04] <satya> so, should I proceed to talk with Sam Hewitt about having Moka?
[22:04] <amjjawad> we already agreed about that last meeting
[22:04] <amjjawad> Ohh, Sam
[22:05] <amjjawad> hehe
[22:05] <satya> :)
[22:05] <amjjawad> he had once negative feedback about UG
[22:05] <amjjawad> but I guess nothing personal
[22:05] <amjjawad> we had a quick chat on UG G+ Page
[22:05] <satya> lol :D
[22:05] <satya> what did he say?
[22:05] <amjjawad> I forgot
[22:05] <amjjawad> he wasn't happy with something ... can't remember
[22:06] <satya> may be due to old Gnome version
[22:06] <amjjawad> anyway, how many themes can add by default?
[22:06] <amjjawad> we have only one which is the default, right? I mean for 14.04
[22:06] <amjjawad> if we could add 2-3, that would be super great
[22:06] <satya> there aren't many good themes AFAIK
[22:07] <satya> elementary, Moka, Numix, Iris are all I know
[22:07] <satya> elementary is not suitable for GNOME
[22:07] <satya> we can have Moka, Numix and Iris
[22:07] <amjjawad> at least, we give some options to our users
[22:07] <satya> yeah :D
[22:07] <amjjawad> from what I have seen so far, the only negative feedback we do have is the look and feel
[22:08] <amjjawad> most of the feedback stating that our system is rock solid
[22:08] <amjjawad> and I can confirm that
[22:08] <amjjawad> but it is the look and feel
[22:08] <amjjawad> that even myself not happy with
[22:08] <amjjawad> shh, don't tell anyone :P
[22:08] <satya> yeah, but that's the default GNOME look. what we can do :(
[22:08] <satya> :)
[22:08] <amjjawad> so, I guess this is all about this week meeting ... anything else before I go?
[22:09] <satya> do we want to include any GNOME shell theme?
[22:09] <amjjawad> satya, we must find a way to include more themes and nice wallappers
[22:09] <satya> wait, I have few things to say
[22:09] <amjjawad> satya, ok :)
[22:09] <satya> I don't worry about wallpapers, I'm sure, they'll be plenty
[22:09] <amjjawad> +1
[22:10] <satya> so, do we want to also include Gnome Shell themes and icon themes?
[22:11] <satya> for icon themes, we could include Moka, elementary Xfce, Numix Circle etc.
[22:11] <amjjawad> more icons themes = yes
[22:11] <amjjawad> GNOME Shell Themes?
[22:11] <satya> yeah?
[22:11] <satya> about shell themes,  guess lots of themes aren't properly maintained
[22:11] <amjjawad> I'm too tired to figure out what we are talking about
[22:12] <amjjawad> the one that if we change, the look of the system will change?
[22:12] <satya> one moment
[22:12] <satya> http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-Shell-Elegance-Colors-305966388
[22:13] <satya> it's the Gnome Shell theme I actively maintain
[22:13] <amjjawad> so I was right
[22:13] <amjjawad> the one that if we change it, the whole thing will be changed
[22:13] <amjjawad> sure, that would be lovely
[22:14] <satya> good. so my point, we don't have many GNOME shell themes which are actively maintained
[22:14] <satya> if we include the one I linked above, I know that it'll be actively maintained
[22:15] <satya> also, it's an app, not a theme
[22:15] <amjjawad> I don't mind
[22:15] <amjjawad> we need to talk with darkxst about that
[22:15] <amjjawad> #action satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons
[22:15] <meetingology> ACTION: satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons
[22:15] <amjjawad> what else? :)
[22:15] <satya> so, about the wallpaper contest
[22:15] <satya> there is no progress yet.
[22:16] <amjjawad> yeah, we agreed to start that
[22:16] <satya> but I think I should start this week
[22:16] <amjjawad> it is okay, no rush
[22:16] <amjjawad> that is good
[22:16] <satya> so, we decided to use flickr, and 2 submissions per user, right?
[22:17] <satya> how about we make it like that, have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre?
[22:17] <satya> like nature, city, abstract etc.?
[22:17] <satya> to have some variety in the wallpapers
[22:17] <amjjawad> hmm
[22:17] <amjjawad> that is good idea
[22:18] <amjjawad> and 1 to 2 submit per user
[22:18] <satya> yup :)
[22:18] <amjjawad> the total is 10, right?
[22:18] <satya> yeah, I think so
[22:18] <satya> so, I shall talk to alfredo and proceed with the idea then?
[22:19] <amjjawad> #action have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya
[22:19] <meetingology> ACTION: have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya
[22:19] <amjjawad> yep ;)
[22:19] <satya> great.
[22:19] <amjjawad> :D
[22:19] <satya> nothing else, right?
[22:19] <amjjawad> hahaha
[22:19] <amjjawad> I'm done :D
[22:19] <satya> okay
[22:19] <satya> do you want ownership of this http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome ?
[22:20] <amjjawad> what is this
[22:21] <satya> scrollback room for ubuntu gnome
[22:21] <satya> it is integrated with our irc
[22:21] <amjjawad> no idea what is it
[22:21] <satya> currently I own that room
[22:21] <satya> it's a chat client :D
[22:21] <amjjawad> but I have enough stuff to be the owner of hehe
[22:21] <amjjawad> ohhh
[22:22] <amjjawad> I see the stuff I'm sending here
[22:22] <satya> remeber, I was talking about having it on our site?
[22:22] <amjjawad> are you trying to say ... we add that to our website?
[22:22] <satya> yeah, as a chat widget
[22:22] <satya> which will load on demand
[22:22] <satya> so as not to slow the page
[22:23] <satya> but it uses appcache anyways, so it won't be slow from the 2nd time
[22:23] <satya> note that that is an open source project
[22:23] <satya> and I work for them :D
[22:23] <amjjawad> if this is fast and does not require lots of stuff, why not
[22:24] <amjjawad> ohh
[22:24] <amjjawad> nice
[22:24] <satya> :D
[22:24] <satya> okay, so that's it then :)
[22:25] <satya> we can have the widget on the community page
[22:26] <satya> http://mozillaindia.org
[22:26] <satya> they are using it
[22:26] <amjjawad> #action satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not
[22:26] <meetingology> ACTION: satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not
[22:26] <satya> so, I don't have anything else to say
[22:28] <amjjawad> okay then :)
[22:28] <amjjawad> thanks a lot
[22:28] <amjjawad> that was 1-2-1 meeting hehe
[22:28] <satya> :)
[22:28] <satya> hey, one thing
[22:28] <satya> about rescheduling
[22:28] <satya> I asked if we could have it on saturday
[22:29] <amjjawad> right
[22:29] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun
[22:29] <satya> so...
[22:29] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun
[22:29] <satya> nice
[22:29] <amjjawad> ;)
[22:29] <amjjawad> #endmeeting
[22:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jul  6 22:30:29 2014 UTC.
[22:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-07-06-21.08.moin.txt
[22:29] <satya> oka. good night then
[22:30] <amjjawad> good night, my friend
[22:30] <amjjawad> thanks a lot
[22:30] <satya> byee..
[22:30] <amjjawad> cya